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   The Farm in Tennessee, America's oldest hippie commune, turns 41, is nowadays more about eco-consciousness than free love, maaaaaan

01 Dec 2012 08:22 AM   |   5129 clicks   |   Daily Mail
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BarkingUnicorn     
"Sisters Nadine Mundo (far left) and Rena Mundo Croshere (right) were born on The Farm"

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Faaaarm livin' is the life for me!

01 Dec 2012 12:39 AM
dickfreckle     
Hey man, is that Freedom Rock?

01 Dec 2012 12:45 AM
BronyMedic     
I seem to remember from 8th Grade History class that most of these communes and "Hippy Communities" failed because they didn't take into account they were trying to recreate third world conditions in a first world country, and human nature is going to take over when people realize they're starving and living in filth, because they refused to use modern agricultural and sanitation. This was in addition to problems with the "bartering" system implemented in most to replace US Currency, and - the communes with mandatory partner-swapping and "free love", the rampant spread of untreated STDs and human nature of jealousy.

01 Dec 2012 08:30 AM
HotIgneous Intruder     
Sex is an economic exchange.
Always.
It's never free.

01 Dec 2012 08:33 AM
veedeevadeevoodee     
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/ do they have doors ?

01 Dec 2012 08:37 AM
maggoo     
So, they started all gung-ho communists and since then they realized their ideals were mostly bunk and gradually turned into a private-property-owning, free-enterprize-supporting, enterpreneur-encouraging lot? Who knew that communist utopia was a pipe dream, and communist supporters were all a bunch of useful idiots who were clueless to what they have been defending?

01 Dec 2012 08:42 AM
Forbidden Doughnut    [TotalFark]  
FTA: "He recalled to ABC News: 'No one held personal money. It was all pooled."

*hurrk*

That's a society I would want no part of.

/ just thinking about that makes my skin crawl

01 Dec 2012 08:42 AM
DeathByGeekSquad     
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Don't piss off the Communes...

01 Dec 2012 08:44 AM
HotIgneous Intruder     

maggoo: So, they started all gung-ho communists and since then they realized their ideals were mostly bunk and gradually turned into a private-property-owning, free-enterprize-supporting, enterpreneur-encouraging lot? Who knew that communist utopia was a pipe dream, and communist supporters were all a bunch of useful idiots who were clueless to what they have been defending?


derp.

0.5/10 for the spittle on your lips.

01 Dec 2012 08:45 AM
stuhayes2010     

BronyMedic: I seem to remember from 8th Grade History class that most of these communes and "Hippy Communities" failed because they didn't take into account they were trying to recreate third world conditions in a first world country, and human nature is going to take over when people realize they're starving and living in filth, because they refused to use modern agricultural and sanitation. This was in addition to problems with the "bartering" system implemented in most to replace US Currency, and - the communes with mandatory partner-swapping and "free love", the rampant spread of untreated STDs and human nature of jealousy.


Lasting 41 years is failure in your book?

01 Dec 2012 08:47 AM
BronyMedic     

stuhayes2010: Lasting 41 years is failure in your book?


You missed the key word "most".

In addition, this community didn't "last" on it's initial ideals. It adapted as it needed to survive. Most didn't. That's like saying because Oenida became a silverware company that's existed for over 100 years, the Oneida Community was a perfect example of a planned commune.

01 Dec 2012 08:55 AM
ytterbium    [TotalFark]  
One of my friends from college ended up living there and made sandals. He seemed to be very happy, found a beautiful hippie chick and the shoes were actually quite nice.

01 Dec 2012 08:57 AM
ModernPrimitive01     
there is a less known but 40 year old hippie commune in the tiny TN town I grew up in. I had a friend who live beside the place. One day we were hanging out and a couple hippies showed up and said "can we have some clean towels? Someone is giving birth in the birthing bus." There was this old school bus parked in the middle of a field that apparently all the ladies would give birth in.

/gross csb

01 Dec 2012 09:04 AM
mab1823     
The Farm was near me growing up. The only interaction I ever had with anyone from there was when a kid from the Farm School competed in the county spelling bee.

/I beat him

//we had Amish, too

01 Dec 2012 09:20 AM
UNAUTHORIZED FINGER     
An old girlfriend I had grew up on a commune in Northern California, in the '60s. One day they were raided by the Sheriff's Department, who confiscated all their... tomato plants?

/yeah, really

01 Dec 2012 09:20 AM
biyaaatci     
I would love to live this type of life, but I'm trapped in my own mundane existence.

01 Dec 2012 09:24 AM
Peki     
DNRTFA, but I hope someone mentions something about how only 2% of mothers transfer to the hospital for c-sections when giving birth with their midwives, and I think as of 2005 or so they'd had no maternal deaths.

Too bad we can't get that kind of rate out of our hospitals.

01 Dec 2012 09:32 AM
BronyMedic     

Peki: DNRTFA, but I hope someone mentions something about how only 2% of mothers transfer to the hospital for c-sections when giving birth with their midwives, and I think as of 2005 or so they'd had no maternal deaths.

Too bad we can't get that kind of rate out of our hospitals.


I'm also willing to bet they get exceptional, in-house prenatal care, and don't have the same maternal risk factors as people in large urban or very rural populations, either.

It's fallacious to compare the population of the Farm, with the population of Memphis' 38103 Zip code, for example. (Number one in infant mortality in the United States. Woohoo!)

01 Dec 2012 09:46 AM
WhoopAssWayne     
I'd love to see the freeloading fark liberals put down their iPads and move to a commune. If you dumbasses think that's the best model for society, then eat you're own dogfood and prove it to the rest us. I can pretty much guarantee you, however, there will not be much time for playing xbox and trolling fark on an actual, working farm.

/B-B-B-B-UTTTT WORK!!!

01 Dec 2012 10:42 AM
KrispyKritter     
my sister teaches at a NY state school with a 60's hippie commune in their zone. i've heard all about classrooms semi full of children looking near identical who score poorly on tests. semi-idiots that don't stand a chance in life. years of free love, swapping, incest and hard core drug abuse has resulted in a fertile colony of children that are mostly left to raise them self. farking sad to see.

01 Dec 2012 10:43 AM
Girion47     
BONAROOOOOOO!


/got VIP tickets for this year.

01 Dec 2012 11:01 AM
orbister     

BronyMedic: In addition, this community didn't "last" on it's initial ideals. It adapted as it needed to survive. Most didn't.


So what? How many companies founded 41 years ago are still going? Sure, there are a lot of pitfalls for communities like The Farm, not least that of age profile; most of the founders tend to be of a similar age, which is fine until they all get to old to chop wood at the same time. That doesn't invalidate the idea of trying different ways of living, and many communes run very happily.

01 Dec 2012 11:51 AM
No Such Agency     
Peki:
DNRTFA, but I hope someone mentions something about how only 2% of mothers transfer to the hospital for c-sections when giving birth with their midwives, and I think as of 2005 or so they'd had no maternal deaths.

Too bad we can't get that kind of rate out of our hospitals.


BronyMedic:
I'm also willing to bet they get exceptional, in-house prenatal care, and don't have the same maternal risk factors as people in large urban or very rural populations, either.

The Farm, in addition to all else, is home to a legendary midwifery school. You probably can't throw a hacky sack there without hitting several fully-certified midwives.

01 Dec 2012 12:10 PM
BronyMedic     

orbister: BronyMedic: In addition, this community didn't "last" on it's initial ideals. It adapted as it needed to survive. Most didn't.

So what? How many companies founded 41 years ago are still going? Sure, there are a lot of pitfalls for communities like The Farm, not least that of age profile; most of the founders tend to be of a similar age, which is fine until they all get to old to chop wood at the same time. That doesn't invalidate the idea of trying different ways of living, and many communes run very happily.


I never said it did. However, the one in a thousand communes that did survive the 70s do not invalidate the problems of the other hundreds of them. Many of them were based on unsurvivable idealism that would have only functioned in a society which was recovering post the downfall of organized civilization, and the "free love" communities would never have survived at all, due to purely human factors. (No one likes STDs, and no one likes their favorite girl being farked by their least-favorite person)

01 Dec 2012 12:11 PM
No Such Agency     
orbister:
That doesn't invalidate the idea of trying different ways of living, and many communes run very happily.

Snarky reactionaries hate alternative ideas that work more than anything.

01 Dec 2012 12:11 PM
Clemkadidlefark     
The Farm in Tennessee, America's oldest hippie commune, turns 41, is nowadays more about eco-consciousness than free love, maaaaaan ....

... and Rules. Holy Mother. If you crave to live where Rules rule, then move there. You Shalt Be Ruled.

01 Dec 2012 12:24 PM
Eutychus     
I'm the first to mention this being covered in its heyday in Peter Jenkins' A Walk Across America?

/RIP Coper

01 Dec 2012 12:42 PM
Eutychus     
CoOper :o

01 Dec 2012 12:43 PM
IamAwake     

Clemkadidlefark: The Farm in Tennessee, America's oldest hippie commune, turns 41, is nowadays more about eco-consciousness than free love, maaaaaan ....

... and Rules. Holy Mother. If you crave to live where Rules rule, then move there. You Shalt Be Ruled.


you don't think you live under rules that govern every moment of your life already? Things as basic as being told when you're allowed to move based on colors hanging above the street, or dictated how you'll spend your money by proxy via taxes?

You've simply grown to ignore/accept the set of rules which govern you. They have substantially fewer there, the rules are just of a different sort which you aren't programmed to ignore.

01 Dec 2012 01:16 PM
Mega Steve     

WhoopAssWayne: I'd love to see the freeloading fark liberals put down their iPads and move to a commune. If you dumbasses think that's the best model for society, then eat you're own dogfood and prove it to the rest us. I can pretty much guarantee you, however, there will not be much time for playing xbox and trolling fark on an actual, working farm.

/B-B-B-B-UTTTT WORK!!!


3/10. Might get some bites, but needs more misspellings. Also, use of 0bama and libtards may have improved your score

01 Dec 2012 02:30 PM
Grave_Girl     

BronyMedic: Peki: DNRTFA, but I hope someone mentions something about how only 2% of mothers transfer to the hospital for c-sections when giving birth with their midwives, and I think as of 2005 or so they'd had no maternal deaths.

Too bad we can't get that kind of rate out of our hospitals.

I'm also willing to bet they get exceptional, in-house prenatal care, and don't have the same maternal risk factors as people in large urban or very rural populations, either.

It's fallacious to compare the population of the Farm, with the population of Memphis' 38103 Zip code, for example. (Number one in infant mortality in the United States. Woohoo!)


Actually, no. While they do provide prenatal care, they accept patients from outside The Farm, and their outcome statistics include all women to receive prenatal care there even part of the time, even the ones who eventually transfer care, and their birth stats include the women who risk out. Even given that, they have a single-digit c-section rate and a 98% VBAC success rate as well. This is largely because they don't do stupid shiat like inducing for no good reason, or making women lie on their backs during labor and work against gravity. Doctors who practice similarly have similar statistics. Robert Bradley, one of the fathers of the natural childbirth movement, had only a 10% c-section rate.  (The WHO has a 15% c-section goal, whereas the overall US rate is 30%. The hospital where I just gave birth had a 75% VBAC success rate.)

01 Dec 2012 02:44 PM
BronyMedic     

Grave_Girl: Actually, no. While they do provide prenatal care, they accept patients from outside The Farm, and their outcome statistics include all women to receive prenatal care there even part of the time, even the ones who eventually transfer care, and their birth stats include the women who risk out. Even given that, they have a single-digit c-section rate and a 98% VBAC success rate as well. This is largely because they don't do stupid shiat like inducing for no good reason, or making women lie on their backs during labor and work against gravity. Doctors who practice similarly have similar statistics. Robert Bradley, one of the fathers of the natural childbirth movement, had only a 10% c-section rate.


Natural childbirth is great if you have a low-risk, term pregnancy, with no suspected or known intrauterine developmental or genetic issues.

OTOH, I guess I'm jaded, because 90% of the ones I deal with are

01 Dec 2012 03:57 PM
LewDux     

BronyMedic: and no one likes their favorite girl being farked by their least-favorite person


Poor male hippies:(

01 Dec 2012 04:22 PM
saturn badger    [TotalFark]  
Typical fark thread.

THIS works for ME therefore it is right and all is good in the world. Therefore all that don't is bad.

Geez. Just let people do what they want to and let it go.

/doesn't live in a commune
//but those that choose to can

01 Dec 2012 06:36 PM
jasnotron     

IamAwake: You've simply grown to ignore/accept the set of rules which govern you. They have substantially fewer there, the rules are just of a different sort which you aren't programmed to ignore.


Um no. They still live in the same county/state/country as their neighbors and have the same laws or "rules" that you are talking about plus all the community rules. Its the same idea as living in a subdivision with a HOA.

01 Dec 2012 11:48 PM
Silverlock     
Came for the hippy hate. Was not disappointed.

02 Dec 2012 07:24 AM
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