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   Hate on marijuana all you want, but thanks to Washington legalizing it, 40 staffers and one pot expert now have a job

01 Dec 2012 09:27 AM   |   4942 clicks   |   Seattle Times
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BarkingUnicorn     
Hail to the hippie job creators!

01 Dec 2012 02:08 AM
Relatively Obscure    [TotalFark]  
something something big government something something socialists.

01 Dec 2012 02:11 AM
theewhiterhino     
Need to update my resume.

/Right after this doob

01 Dec 2012 02:22 AM
OtherBrotherDarryl    [TotalFark]  
As Washington state employees, would these folks be WPEA union members and subject to drug testing? Ironic if that's the case.

01 Dec 2012 09:02 AM
phrawgh     

OtherBrotherDarryl: As Washington state employees, would these folks be WPEA union members and subject to drug testing? Ironic if that's the case.


Oooooo. I can't wait for the fur to fly!

01 Dec 2012 09:30 AM
BMFPitt     
But it will also slow the massive growth in the prison-industrial complex. Won't someone please think of the prison guard union?

01 Dec 2012 09:32 AM
Linux_Yes     
weed is harmless. its natural

arsenic is harmless. its natural

alcohol is harmless. its natural

wink wink.

01 Dec 2012 09:35 AM
wildcardjack     
It's nice to know Tommy Chong can still get work after his conviction.

01 Dec 2012 09:37 AM
pissedoffmick     

Linux_Yes: weed is harmless. its natural

arsenic is harmless. its natural

alcohol is harmless. its natural

wink wink.


I suppose you also oppose the Sun.

01 Dec 2012 09:40 AM
Pants full of macaroni!!     
At least until the Federales come cracking down.

01 Dec 2012 09:41 AM
bwilson27     

Pants full of macaroni!!: At least until the Federales come cracking down.


Hail to the fuhrer!

01 Dec 2012 09:42 AM
special20    [TotalFark]  

OtherBrotherDarryl: As Washington state employees, would these folks be WPEA union members and subject to drug testing? Ironic if that's the case.


Think this through... marijuana is legal in that state where they are employed. Drug tests shows marijuana usage. Your point is?

01 Dec 2012 09:42 AM
pissedoffmick     

special20: OtherBrotherDarryl: As Washington state employees, would these folks be WPEA union members and subject to drug testing? Ironic if that's the case.

Think this through... marijuana is legal in that state where they are employed. Drug tests shows marijuana usage. Your point is?


Oh boy.

01 Dec 2012 09:45 AM
bwilson27     

special20: OtherBrotherDarryl: As Washington state employees, would these folks be WPEA union members and subject to drug testing? Ironic if that's the case.

Think this through... marijuana is legal in that state where they are employed. Drug tests shows marijuana usage. Your point is?


That's the problem- Alcohol is legal, too, but you can't go to work drunk.. Or drive. But there's an easy test for that. With weed, no such easy test to check if you're inebriated. This is a problem that will have to be solved first.

01 Dec 2012 09:47 AM
HotIgneous Intruder     
Yes, how will the multi-billion dollar drug testing industry take this news?
And what about drug testing? Employers can't fire you for testing positive for a legal drug, right?

01 Dec 2012 09:48 AM
OtherBrotherDarryl    [TotalFark]  

special20: OtherBrotherDarryl: As Washington state employees, would these folks be WPEA union members and subject to drug testing? Ironic if that's the case.

Think this through... marijuana is legal in that state where they are employed. Drug tests shows marijuana usage. Your point is?


Although pot will be legal, drug testing and firing those who test positive will still be allowed.

01 Dec 2012 09:48 AM
machoprogrammer     
Who is the pot expert? Cheech Marin?

01 Dec 2012 09:49 AM
gabethegoat     

theewhiterhino: Need to update my resume.

/Right after this doob


so much this.

/in before "i actually drive better when i'm stoned"

01 Dec 2012 09:50 AM
bwilson27     

OtherBrotherDarryl: special20: OtherBrotherDarryl: As Washington state employees, would these folks be WPEA union members and subject to drug testing? Ironic if that's the case.

Think this through... marijuana is legal in that state where they are employed. Drug tests shows marijuana usage. Your point is?

Although pot will be legal, drug testing and firing those who test positive will still be allowed.


I envision plenty of court cases.

01 Dec 2012 09:50 AM
AbbeySomeone     

machoprogrammer: Who is the pot expert? Cheech Marin?


There are many.

01 Dec 2012 09:51 AM
special20    [TotalFark]  

bwilson27: special20: OtherBrotherDarryl: As Washington state employees, would these folks be WPEA union members and subject to drug testing? Ironic if that's the case.

Think this through... marijuana is legal in that state where they are employed. Drug tests shows marijuana usage. Your point is?

That's the problem- Alcohol is legal, too, but you can't go to work drunk.. Or drive. But there's an easy test for that. With weed, no such easy test to check if you're inebriated. This is a problem that will have to be solved first.


The test is simple - hold a bag of doritos in front of the suspected stoner, and if they smile and reach for it - they're high. A follow up is to ask a simple question like... "what time is it?" and if they answer by saying "what?" - they're stoned.

01 Dec 2012 09:51 AM
wildcardjack     

bwilson27: special20: OtherBrotherDarryl: As Washington state employees, would these folks be WPEA union members and subject to drug testing? Ironic if that's the case.

Think this through... marijuana is legal in that state where they are employed. Drug tests shows marijuana usage. Your point is?

That's the problem- Alcohol is legal, too, but you can't go to work drunk.. Or drive. But there's an easy test for that. With weed, no such easy test to check if you're inebriated. This is a problem that will have to be solved first.


Testing for that might be more a skill issue for the cops. Just train the cops to do "running through a forest" and use the person's response to the STOP as a judge of sobriety.

01 Dec 2012 09:51 AM
lenfromak    [TotalFark]  
Hate on marijuana all you want, but thanks to Washington legalizing it, 40 staffers and one pot expert now have a job jobs

FTFY

01 Dec 2012 09:52 AM
Another Government Employee     

lenfromak: Hate on marijuana all you want, but thanks to Washington legalizing it, 40 staffers and one pot expert now have a job jobs
Are about to be indicted on Federal Controlled Substances charges.
FTFY


FTFY.

01 Dec 2012 09:55 AM
bwilson27     

Another Government Employee: lenfromak: Hate on marijuana all you want, but thanks to Washington legalizing it, 40 staffers and one pot expert now have a job jobs
Are about to be indicted on Federal Controlled Substances charges.
FTFY

FTFY.


Ummmm I don't think so...

01 Dec 2012 09:56 AM
MFAWG     

HotIgneous Intruder: Yes, how will the multi-billion dollar drug testing industry take this news?


They're going to love it. DUI laws will now be enforced with a blood test for THC.

And what about drug testing? Employers can't fire you for testing positive for a legal drug, right?

Yes they can.

01 Dec 2012 09:56 AM
SDRR     

BarkingUnicorn: Hail to the hippie job creators!


01 Dec 2012 09:59 AM
Muta     

bwilson27: With weed, no such easy test to check if you're inebriated. This is a problem that will have to be solved first.


Why does there need to be a test first? We didn't have tests for drunk driving when prohibition was lifted. Necessity is the mother of invention. If there is a need for a field sobriety test that includes weed then it will be developed.

01 Dec 2012 10:02 AM
MFAWG     

Muta: bwilson27: With weed, no such easy test to check if you're inebriated. This is a problem that will have to be solved first.

Why does there need to be a test first? We didn't have tests for drunk driving when prohibition was lifted. Necessity is the mother of invention. If there is a need for a field sobriety test that includes weed then it will be developed.


Again: there is a blood test for THC, and I believe there is also a saliva test. That was the whole impetus for legalization on the law enforcement side IMHO. Now that it can be a money grab for DUI, everybody is OK with it.

01 Dec 2012 10:05 AM
dr_blasto    [TotalFark]  

gabethegoat: theewhiterhino: Need to update my resume.

/Right after this doob

so much this.

/in before "i actually drive better when i'm stoned"


I actually drive better when you're stoned.

01 Dec 2012 10:05 AM
divgradcurl     

pissedoffmick: Linux_Yes: weed is harmless. its natural

arsenic is harmless. its natural

alcohol is harmless. its natural

wink wink.

I suppose you also oppose the Sun.


i'm not sure about him, but i know i do. that biatch causes cancer.

"the night time is the right time, the night time is the right time."

01 Dec 2012 10:07 AM
Blue_Blazer     

lenfromak: Hate on marijuana all you want, but thanks to Washington legalizing it, 40 staffers and one pot expert now have a job jobs

FTFY


Nope subby was correct: I job shared between 41 people who each work an hour a week. This is Obama's new ecomony.

01 Dec 2012 10:09 AM
OtherBrotherDarryl    [TotalFark]  
I wonder if people will stop being paranoid freaks when they're high once it's legal.

01 Dec 2012 10:09 AM
hasty ambush     
Just what we DON"T need, more government employees. Let me know when a substantial number of real jobs (private sector) are created

01 Dec 2012 10:10 AM
KrispyKritter     
can't get excited about something the federal government can (and will) walk in and lay to waste whenever they damn well please. and that time will probably be when many people are making paychecks, investing money into business and happily enjoying their lives. what's the point. it's like giving candy to a baby so you can take it away.

01 Dec 2012 10:13 AM
bwilson27     

MFAWG: Muta: bwilson27: With weed, no such easy test to check if you're inebriated. This is a problem that will have to be solved first.

Why does there need to be a test first? We didn't have tests for drunk driving when prohibition was lifted. Necessity is the mother of invention. If there is a need for a field sobriety test that includes weed then it will be developed.

Again: there is a blood test for THC, and I believe there is also a saliva test. That was the whole impetus for legalization on the law enforcement side IMHO. Now that it can be a money grab for DUI, everybody is OK with it.


Sure, there's a blood test.. And with it, they'll be able to bust you for DUI even though the last time you smoked was weeks ago.
There has to be a more accurate test.

01 Dec 2012 10:14 AM
MFAWG     

hasty ambush: Just what we DON"T need, more government employees. Let me know when a substantial number of real jobs (private sector) are created


I have a feeling the 30 pct tax on the reefer will pay for those evil Gubment employees and leave a little left over for your hoverround.

01 Dec 2012 10:14 AM
fluffy2097     

OtherBrotherDarryl: I wonder if people will stop being paranoid freaks when they're high once it's legal.


Probably, but it won't be because it's legal.

Growers will do a lot more selective breeding on the weed they have and produce strains that won't make you paranoid.

Most weed these days is extremely high in THC these days, since we used to think that's all that got you high, and that the 40 something other components in weed aren't important. Surprise surprise, they are important. THC alone makes people (well, lab rats in the study) exhibit paranoid behavior. If you start dropping the THC levels down, and add more of the other endocanabanoids, such as CBD, you no longer get paranoid behavior.

/SCIENCE!

01 Dec 2012 10:16 AM
MFAWG     

bwilson27: MFAWG: Muta: bwilson27: With weed, no such easy test to check if you're inebriated. This is a problem that will have to be solved first.

Why does there need to be a test first? We didn't have tests for drunk driving when prohibition was lifted. Necessity is the mother of invention. If there is a need for a field sobriety test that includes weed then it will be developed.

Again: there is a blood test for THC, and I believe there is also a saliva test. That was the whole impetus for legalization on the law enforcement side IMHO. Now that it can be a money grab for DUI, everybody is OK with it.

Sure, there's a blood test.. And with it, they'll be able to bust you for DUI even though the last time you smoked was weeks ago.
There has to be a more accurate test.

,

My understanding (possibly less than complete) is that they can now tell if it's been within the last 24 hours, so you're sort of kind of right.

01 Dec 2012 10:17 AM
weapon13     

gabethegoat: theewhiterhino: Need to update my resume.

/Right after this doob

so much this.

/in before "i actually drive better when i'm stoned"


Not really but it's a lot more fun...

01 Dec 2012 10:17 AM
bwilson27     

fluffy2097: OtherBrotherDarryl: I wonder if people will stop being paranoid freaks when they're high once it's legal.

Probably, but it won't be because it's legal.

Growers will do a lot more selective breeding on the weed they have and produce strains that won't make you paranoid.

Most weed these days is extremely high in THC these days, since we used to think that's all that got you high, and that the 40 something other components in weed aren't important. Surprise surprise, they are important. THC alone makes people (well, lab rats in the study) exhibit paranoid behavior. If you start dropping the THC levels down, and add more of the other endocanabanoids, such as CBD, you no longer get paranoid behavior.

/SCIENCE!


That's not true. The paranoia is cause by the release of dopamine. the THC levels have little or nothing to do with it, really

01 Dec 2012 10:18 AM
bwilson27     

MFAWG: bwilson27:

Sure, there's a blood test.. And with it, they'll be able to bust you for DUI even though the last time you smoked was weeks ago.
There has to be a more accurate test.,

My understanding (possibly less than complete) is that they can now tell if it's been within the last 24 hours, so you're sort of kind of right.


Citation?

01 Dec 2012 10:18 AM
herrDrFarkenstein     
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I hope they find a man who can abide by the rules.

01 Dec 2012 10:19 AM
gabethegoat     

dr_blasto: gabethegoat: theewhiterhino: Need to update my resume.

/Right after this doob

so much this.

/in before "i actually drive better when i'm stoned"

I actually drive better when you're stoned.


whoooa. mind=blown.

01 Dec 2012 10:22 AM
hasty ambush     

MFAWG: hasty ambush: Just what we DON"T need, more government employees. Let me know when a substantial number of real jobs (private sector) are created

I have a feeling the 30 pct tax on the reefer will pay for those evil Gubment employees and leave a little left over for your hoverround.


It has been my experience that most government programs that politicians claim they will pay for themselves don't. No doubt Gubment will use all that 30% and demand even more. Even if it did pay for itself we still do not need more government employees.

Knowing government and its employees (you really cannot call them workers as that would imply they work) I am sure they can find plenty of current "under-utilized" government employees they can assign to this new department without having to hire more.

01 Dec 2012 10:23 AM
bwilson27     

hasty ambush: MFAWG: hasty ambush: Just what we DON"T need, more government employees. Let me know when a substantial number of real jobs (private sector) are created

I have a feeling the 30 pct tax on the reefer will pay for those evil Gubment employees and leave a little left over for your hoverround.

It has been my experience that most government programs that politicians claim they will pay for themselves don't. No doubt Gubment will use all that 30% and demand even more. Even if it did pay for itself we still do not need more government employees.

Knowing government and its employees (you really cannot call them workers as that would imply they work) I am sure they can find plenty of current "under-utilized" government employees they can assign to this new department without having to hire more.


You sound like a real happy, upbeat kinda guy.

01 Dec 2012 10:24 AM
gabethegoat     

Blue_Blazer: lenfromak: Hate on marijuana all you want, but thanks to Washington legalizing it, 40 staffers and one pot expert now have a job jobs

FTFY

Nope subby was correct: I job shared between 41 people who each work an hour a week. This is Obama's new ecomony.


1/10

01 Dec 2012 10:24 AM
MFAWG     

bwilson27: MFAWG: bwilson27:

Sure, there's a blood test.. And with it, they'll be able to bust you for DUI even though the last time you smoked was weeks ago.
There has to be a more accurate test.,

My understanding (possibly less than complete) is that they can now tell if it's been within the last 24 hours, so you're sort of kind of right.

Citation?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis _drug_testing


Saliva testing
Cannabis is detectable by saliva testing. Just like blood testing, saliva testing detects the presence of parent drugs and not their inactive metabolites. This results in a shorter window of detection for cannabis by saliva testing[13] . Delta 9 THC is the parent compound. If saliva sample is tested in a lab, the detection level can be as low as 0.5ng/mL (up to 72 hours after intake)[14] and if an onsite instant saliva drug test is used, the cut off level is generally 50 ng/mL (up to 12 hours after intake)[15] . Per National Institute on Drug Abuse saliva drug testing provides a reasonable alternative to other drug testing methods [16] .

[edit]Blood testing
Cannabis is detectable in the blood for approximately 2-3 days after use, with heavy/frequent use detectable in the blood for approximately two weeks. [17] Because they are invasive and difficult to administer, blood tests are used less frequently. They are typically used in investigations of accidents, injuries and DUIs.

Urine contains predominantly THC-COOH, while hair, oral fluid and sweat contain primarily THC. Blood may contain both substances, with the relative amounts dependent on the recency and extent of usage.



I'll let some of the folks better versed in biochemistry help us sort this out, and then let the GED's in law tell me why it will/will not stand up in court.

There was literally NO oppostiton by law enforcement on this ballot measure, and I suspect advances in testing technologies are a big part of that. It's an additional revenue stream on top of the taxes.

01 Dec 2012 10:26 AM
MFAWG     

hasty ambush: MFAWG: hasty ambush: Just what we DON"T need, more government employees. Let me know when a substantial number of real jobs (private sector) are created

I have a feeling the 30 pct tax on the reefer will pay for those evil Gubment employees and leave a little left over for your hoverround.

It has been my experience that most government programs that politicians claim they will pay for themselves don't. No doubt Gubment will use all that 30% and demand even more. Even if it did pay for itself we still do not need more government employees.

Knowing government and its employees (you really cannot call them workers as that would imply they work) I am sure they can find plenty of current "under-utilized" government employees they can assign to this new department without having to hire more.


You're an idiot. Maybe you should do a little research into the state agency in question, and then go home and get your shine box.

01 Dec 2012 10:28 AM
bwilson27     

MFAWG: bwilson27: MFAWG: bwilson27:

Sure, there's a blood test.. And with it, they'll be able to bust you for DUI even though the last time you smoked was weeks ago.
There has to be a more accurate test.,

My understanding (possibly less than complete) is that they can now tell if it's been within the last 24 hours, so you're sort of kind of right.

Citation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis _drug_testing


Saliva testing
Cannabis is detectable by saliva testing. Just like blood testing, saliva testing detects the presence of parent drugs and not their inactive metabolites. This results in a shorter window of detection for cannabis by saliva testing[13] . Delta 9 THC is the parent compound. If saliva sample is tested in a lab, the detection level can be as low as 0.5ng/mL (up to 72 hours after intake)[14] and if an onsite instant saliva drug test is used, the cut off level is generally 50 ng/mL (up to 12 hours after intake)[15] . Per National Institute on Drug Abuse saliva drug testing provides a reasonable alternative to other drug testing methods [16] .

[edit]Blood testing
Cannabis is detectable in the blood for approximately 2-3 days after use, with heavy/frequent use detectable in the blood for approximately two weeks. [17] Because they are invasive and difficult to administer, blood tests are used less frequently. They are typically used in investigations of accidents, injuries and DUIs.

Urine contains predominantly THC-COOH, while hair, oral fluid and sweat contain primarily THC. Blood may contain both substances, with the relative amounts dependent on the recency and extent of usage.


I'll let some of the folks better versed in biochemistry help us sort this out, and then let the GED's in law tell me why it will/will not stand up in court.

There was literally NO oppostiton by law enforcement on this ballot measure, and I suspect advances in testing technologies are a big part of that. It's an additional revenue stream on top of the taxes.


Hmmm You may be on to something.

01 Dec 2012 10:28 AM
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