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01 Dec 2012 10:19 AM   |   1899 clicks   |   MetroWest Daily News
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jaylectricity    [TotalFark]  
"I don't understand the rationale for doing it so soon."

Then I $uppo$e you're pretty $tupid.

01 Dec 2012 09:12 AM
BronyMedic     
Well, that's wonderful. If they are using marijuana for conditions which it's indicated, and proven for, then good for them. I only hope the FDA and Feds don't come down on them for it.

On another note, if they're one of those assholes marketing it as a cure for everything (Yes. Marijuana Woo DOES exist. Apparently, people don't understand that something showing in vitro cancer effects does not translate to in vivo effects necessarily.), I hope the FDA and Feds DO come down on them.

01 Dec 2012 09:17 AM
pissedoffmick     
The pro-pot people are doing a masterful job. While I am sure a people do get some relief for various ailments the VAST majority of people are getting high on medical marijuana because it cures them from not being high. Watch any documentary and watch the 28 year old guy with "back pain" nearly bust when referring to it as "my medication". What a wacky route to take to get to: it feels good, it aint that bad for you, stop ruining free people's lives, and butt the fark out government.

01 Dec 2012 09:30 AM
Endive Wombat    [TotalFark]  

BronyMedic: Well, that's wonderful. If they are using marijuana for conditions which it's indicated, and proven for, then good for them. I only hope the FDA and Feds don't come down on them for it.

On another note, if they're one of those assholes marketing it as a cure for everything (Yes. Marijuana Woo DOES exist. Apparently, people don't understand that something showing in vitro cancer effects does not translate to in vivo effects necessarily.), I hope the FDA and Feds DO come down on them.


A few things:

It blows my mind that study after study shows that pot helps drive appetite, gives a sense of euphoria and happiness to those going to cancer treatment or trying to manage pain due to terminal illness, and yet we as a country (law makers) would rather pump you full of highly narcotic drugs and chemicals to achieve the same effects.

I agree that the potheads need to knock it the fark off. The only thing in my opinion more annoying that a pothead's rambling on how great weed is, is a Born Again Christian who wont shut the fark up about Jesus.

I have maintained for years, that this to the general public and to law makers, is the face of the pro medical marijuana movement:
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When in reality, this should be the face of medical marijuana:
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Personally, I think marijuana should be as available as alcohol and cigarettes, but that is discussion for another thread 

I am not saying that a constant morphine drip isn't helpful, but weed certainly ain't gonna hinder anything. I am trying to put myself in the shoes of those who actually want/need weed, those who are sick and or dying...I get a general sense of "fark you government and telling me what I can and cannot use to help regulate my appetite, pain, general sense of happiness, etc."

01 Dec 2012 09:43 AM
BronyMedic     

Endive Wombat: BronyMedic: Well, that's wonderful. If they are using marijuana for conditions which it's indicated, and proven for, then good for them. I only hope the FDA and Feds don't come down on them for it.

On another note, if they're one of those assholes marketing it as a cure for everything (Yes. Marijuana Woo DOES exist. Apparently, people don't understand that something showing in vitro cancer effects does not translate to in vivo effects necessarily.), I hope the FDA and Feds DO come down on them.

A few things:

It blows my mind that study after study shows that pot helps drive appetite, gives a sense of euphoria and happiness to those going to cancer treatment or trying to manage pain due to terminal illness, and yet we as a country (law makers) would rather pump you full of highly narcotic drugs and chemicals to achieve the same effects.

I agree that the potheads need to knock it the fark off. The only thing in my opinion more annoying that a pothead's rambling on how great weed is, is a Born Again Christian who wont shut the fark up about Jesus.

I have maintained for years, that this to the general public and to law makers, is the face of the pro medical marijuana movement:
[rastavibes.files.wordpress.com image 500x376]
[www.imarijuana.com image 282x350]
[1.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com image 600x400]
[blogs.ajc.com image 850x478]

When in reality, this should be the face of medical marijuana:
[www.naturalhealth365.com image 423x279]
[www.savagephotography.co.uk image 550x552]
[www.nancydionne.com image 535x358]
[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Personally, I think marijuana should be as available as alcohol and cigarettes, but that is discussion for another thread 

I am not saying that a constant morphine drip isn't helpful, but weed certainly ain't gonna hinder anything. I am trying to put myself in the shoes of those who actually want/need weed, those who are sick and or dying...I get a general sense of "fark you government and telling me what I can and c ...


Dude, you're preaching to the choir here. I've repeatedly said this. In return, I've been accused of having a secret anti-pot agenda. I dislike the ethical and moral implications of the pro-recreational movement trying to use the medical movement as a pathway to blanket legalization, rather than letting the medical movement work to helping patients, and working on their own for overt legalization or decriminalization for recreational use.

Marijuana is an exceptional adjunct to that narcotic therapy in somatic pain. It does shiat for primary pain control - it's worse than giving a terminal cancer patient some motrin and telling him to drink water. (Military farkers, you get this joke.) The only place you'd want to use it as a primary pain control agent is in neurogenic pain - like diabetic neuropathy.

Also, there's no such thing as "highly narcotic". The fact a drug is a "narcotic" alone does not determine it's potency or addictiveness, or even toxicity. Morphine, Demerol, and Fentanyl are all narcotic medications. But giving the same dose of Fentanyl as Morphine will kill your patient dead quick, and Demerol has a problem of toxic metabolites. This is a BIG issue in the management of Chronic Pain. Narcotic refers to the class of drugs - they are derived from either synthetic opiates, or they are derived from opium compounds - and the word itself has negative connotations that have been associated with it's use in vilifying illegal opiates, like heroin.

Even healthcare providers are moving away from calling them narcs, or narcotics, because of the stigma of the word. I just finished a pain control update, and system wide we're going to using opiates and opioids to describe the drugs.

01 Dec 2012 09:58 AM
Endive Wombat    [TotalFark]  

BronyMedic: I dislike the ethical and moral implications of the pro-recreational movement trying to use the medical movement as a pathway to blanket legalization, rather than letting the medical movement work to helping patients, and working on their own for overt legalization or decriminalization for recreational use.


pissedoffmick: Watch any documentary and watch the 28 year old guy with "back pain" nearly bust when referring to it as "my medication".


Well, if it isn't weed or some random hard drug, he would be drinking. Some people just want to escape reality, and I see nothing wrong with that.

And here is the issue - "back pain", stage 4 bone cancer, and chemo therapy are lumped together when folks start talking about medical marijuana. I'm not sure if I have an answer as to where the bright-line is for "legit use" vs "not legit use"...which is why I say, legalize, regulate and tax.

01 Dec 2012 10:17 AM
Jon iz teh kewl     
cancer patients are ghay
they shouldn't be allowed to smoke shiat

or take weed in brownie form

why?

because they're not TRYING hard enough
lying in bed all day is something a stoner does
get a life stupid lazy biatch

01 Dec 2012 10:21 AM
shivashakti     
Damn, I was hoping it'd be here in Boston..

01 Dec 2012 10:22 AM
pissedoffmick     

Endive Wombat: Some people just want to escape reality, and I see nothing wrong with that


Nor do I, at all. I just find it hilarious.
I watch porn to stave off prostate problems.

01 Dec 2012 10:25 AM
gabethegoat     
2 weed threads on a saturday morning??

load up the bong and turn on the cartoons!

/i keed
//bowl and soccer

01 Dec 2012 10:28 AM
The Incredible Sexual Egg    [TotalFark]  

shivashakti: Damn, I was hoping it'd be here in Boston..


Because Framingham and Natick are sooooooo far away

01 Dec 2012 10:37 AM
ZAZ    [TotalFark]  
Framingham Board of Health Chairman Mike Hugo said. "I don't understand the rationale for doing it so soon."

They're rushing to get into the business before your town, like the others, bans pot dispensaries, pot smoking, and so forth.

When voters decriminalized marijuana a few years ago towns recriminalized it by local ordinances making smoking pot illegal. Carrying it is a $100 state ticket. Smoking it is a $300 municipal ordinance violation. 

This could have been anticipated in the law. I wish some of these pot addicts would ask me for advice on writing their referenda.

01 Dec 2012 10:42 AM
cig-mkr     
Endive Wombat When in reality, this should be the face of medical marijuana:

At this point in life, I say let them have whatever the hell they want.

01 Dec 2012 10:42 AM
belhade     
Do chronic sciatica and ankylosing spondilitis count as "back pain"?

01 Dec 2012 10:43 AM
special20    [TotalFark]  

BronyMedic: weed is teh bad, m'kai?


How many patients do you see that are sick because of marijuana use?

01 Dec 2012 10:45 AM
shivashakti     

The Incredible Sexual Egg: Because Framingham and Natick are sooooooo far away


When you don't have a vehicle? Yes.

01 Dec 2012 10:51 AM
ZAZ    [TotalFark]  
Framingham is a 40 minute ride on commuter rail. You can't smoke on the train or in the station.

01 Dec 2012 10:56 AM
BronyMedic     

special20: BronyMedic: weed is teh bad, m'kai?

How many patients do you see that are sick because of marijuana use?


Oh, look. Another one. Other than schizophrenics, and people who get anxiety attacks from it's use? None.

Please, let me state for a fact, weed is not bad. Recreational, it's safer than alcohol for short term use, but smoked, has the same dangers as long-term cigarette use.

I have a problem with people passing ANY substance off as a cure for X when it has not been demonstrated to be effective in that population. It gives people false hope. It robs desperate people of their money. And it delegitimizes marijuana as a LEGITIMATE treatment for some conditions.

But please. Continue assuming because I'm realistic about medical marijuana and THC-compounds, and because I treat it like any other drug, with indications and contraindications, I think Marijuana is bad.

01 Dec 2012 10:56 AM
belhade     

ZAZ: Framingham is a 40 minute ride on commuter rail. You can't smoke on the train or in the station.


Just take a hit or two while walking across the parking lot.

01 Dec 2012 10:57 AM
Hack Patooey    [TotalFark]  

shivashakti: The Incredible Sexual Egg: Because Framingham and Natick are sooooooo far away

When you don't have a vehicle? Yes.


Both accessabe via commuter rail.

01 Dec 2012 10:58 AM
HindiDiscoMonster    [TotalFark]  

BronyMedic: Well, that's wonderful. If they are using marijuana for conditions which it's indicated, and proven for, then good for them. I only hope the FDA and Feds don't come down on them for it.

On another note, if they're one of those assholes marketing it as a cure for everything (Yes. Marijuana Woo DOES exist. Apparently, people don't understand that something showing in vitro cancer effects does not translate to in vivo effects necessarily.), I hope the FDA and Feds DO come down on them.


/Livin la vivo vitro

01 Dec 2012 11:01 AM
No Time To Explain     

BronyMedic: special20: BronyMedic: weed is teh bad, m'kai?

How many patients do you see that are sick because of marijuana use?

Oh, look. Another one. Other than schizophrenics, and people who get anxiety attacks from it's use? None.

Please, let me state for a fact, weed is not bad. Recreational, it's safer than alcohol for short term use, but smoked, has the same dangers as long-term cigarette use.

I have a problem with people passing ANY substance off as a cure for X when it has not been demonstrated to be effective in that population. It gives people false hope. It robs desperate people of their money. And it delegitimizes marijuana as a LEGITIMATE treatment for some conditions.

But please. Continue assuming because I'm realistic about medical marijuana and THC-compounds, and because I treat it like any other drug, with indications and contraindications, I think Marijuana is bad.


As with all things in life

/the potential is there, not just with the THC, but other compounds in it
//but so is the fear

01 Dec 2012 11:02 AM
shivashakti     

Hack Patooey: Both accessabe via commuter rail.


Yes, but expensive and time-consuming to get to.

ZAZ: Framingham is a 40 minute ride on commuter rail. You can't smoke on the train or in the station.


The dispensaries in California often sell it in baked goods or candies. A friend gave me some pot taffy from a dispensary in California once. (My friend has a prescription for her health condition.) Sweet Jesus, that was potent!

Half a piece of taffy and I was wasted.

01 Dec 2012 11:04 AM
special20    [TotalFark]  

BronyMedic: special20: BronyMedic: weed is teh bad, m'kai?

How many patients do you see that are sick because of marijuana use?

Oh, look. Another one. Other than schizophrenics, and people who get anxiety attacks from it's use? None.

Please, let me state for a fact, weed is not bad. Recreational, it's safer than alcohol for short term use, but smoked, has the same dangers as long-term cigarette use.

I have a problem with people passing ANY substance off as a cure for X when it has not been demonstrated to be effective in that population. It gives people false hope. It robs desperate people of their money. And it delegitimizes marijuana as a LEGITIMATE treatment for some conditions.

But please. Continue assuming because I'm realistic about medical marijuana and THC-compounds, and because I treat it like any other drug, with indications and contraindications, I think Marijuana is bad.


If you don't think it's bad, why then do you continue to argue against its use? I'm having a bit of a struggle with your point, as I am not sure if it is obtuse, or hyperbolic.What I think the issue is, for you, is that smoking is bad, not just that marijuana is bad. Is that about right? So if a user can vaporize marijuana to ingest it, you still find issue? Yet, you're not against weed in general? Whargarble?

01 Dec 2012 11:20 AM
johnphantom     

BronyMedic: Oh, look. Another one. Other than schizophrenics, and people who get anxiety attacks from it's use? None.


With schizophrenics correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation. There simply is not enough studies done. I do know that anxiety attacks are real; my cousin takes medication for it and cannot smoke marijuana.

01 Dec 2012 11:29 AM
CygnusDarius     
I've been offered to smoke pot once or twice. I've declined because I don't smoke, in general, so I wish to avoid making an ass of myself. I don't care if other people smoke though (I might get lung cancer for all the second-hand smoke, but that's unrelated to pot), but I have to say, marijuana smoke tends to smell nicer than cigarette smoke.

However, I've yet to be offered a brownie, so there.

01 Dec 2012 11:32 AM
The Incredible Sexual Egg    [TotalFark]  

shivashakti: Hack Patooey: Both accessabe via commuter rail.

Yes, but expensive and time-consuming to get to.

ZAZ: Framingham is a 40 minute ride on commuter rail. You can't smoke on the train or in the station.


It literally cost $5 to get to Framingham from South Station. All I'm hearing is excuses. Link


/Don't ask me why I'm so invested in this

01 Dec 2012 11:32 AM
RobSeace    [TotalFark]  

special20: If you don't think it's bad, why then do you continue to argue against its use? I'm having a bit of a struggle with your point, as I am not sure if it is obtuse, or hyperbolic.What I think the issue is, for you, is that smoking is bad, not just that marijuana is bad. Is that about right? So if a user can vaporize marijuana to ingest it, you still find issue? Yet, you're not against weed in general? Whargarble?


I really don't understand how so many people misunderstand Brony's point... His main issue is that people who just want to use recreationally shouldn't abuse the medical marijuana system by inventing fake "ailments" to "treat"... If you want to just get high, just keep buying from your dealer like you've always done, and/or campaign to make it fully legal a la Washington and Colorado... He doesn't care if anyone wants to get high; he just doesn't like to see the medical marijuana system abused for that, since it's intended for people with real medical conditions... And, he feels it tarnishes the reputation of medical marijuana and allows it to be demonized in other areas trying to legalize it, because they can point to the abuse and say, "See, it's just a way for stoners to get high! It's not treating real medical conditions at all!"... I don't agree fully with him on the actual impact that has on anyone inclined to be swayed by such a stupid argument in the first place, but it's a valid point of view, at least, and it doesn't make him "anti-pot" in any way, just "anti-abuse-of-the-medical-system"...

01 Dec 2012 11:37 AM
BronyMedic     

special20: If you don't think it's bad, why then do you continue to argue against its use?


Holy Christ. Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

I've argued against it's use for conditions which it SHOWS NO EFFECT FOR. Why would you give someone a medication for a condition,when it doesn't even work? Example: Marijuana is EXCEPTIONAL for the primary treatment of neuropathy and nerve pain. This is demonstrated by evidence and research. It's worthless primarily for somatic pain - like the pain caused by a bone fracture or by inflammation. Why then, would you market marijuana as a pain control substance for ALL pain, when it's just shown effective in one specific type of pain, and only has possibly adjunct activity in another?

It is unethical, and - according to FDA rules - illegal to market a medication for a condition which it has not been proven to treat. It's why you can't market drugs for off-label uses.

special20: What I think the issue is, for you, is that smoking is bad, not just that marijuana is bad. Is that about right?


I'm against smoking anything, period, but that's because the knowledge that 500 million dollars a year of my tax money is going to keep people alive with lung cancer, COPD/Emphysema, and heart failure/stroke because of their smoking - totally preventable disability.

special20: So if a user can vaporize marijuana to ingest it, you still find issue? Yet, you're not against weed in general? Whargarble?


If you want to use it recreationally for it's altering effects, then say that. Don't cheat the system to get something that's ostensibly intended for a medication. That's my point. I don't have a problem with recreational use. I have a problem with telling people it'll cure X, when in reality it's worse than useless for X.

01 Dec 2012 11:42 AM
lewismarktwo     
Medicinal, recreational, it's all semantics. There's all types of pain.

01 Dec 2012 11:48 AM
Billy Bathsalt     
A problem with acupuncture and those that immediately claim it doesn't work, is that, for some reason, a lot of acupuncturists these days are failing to obtain neural stimulation. Like a crappy massage, bad acupuncture doesn't do much. Like a good massage, real acupuncture relieves pain and speeds healing. As a licensed acupuncturist, I get patients who have had a lot of acupuncture, but when I get a nerve stimulus, say, "What was THAT?"
That's real acupuncture. If you don't feel it, it's not working.

There's always a post on Fark about how it's some imaginary placebo. Bullshiat.

01 Dec 2012 11:53 AM
BronyMedic     

Billy Bathsalt: There's always a post on Fark about how it's some imaginary placebo. Bullshiat.


Evidence doesn't support this asertation, but hey. People also believe in Santa Claus, Jesus, and Muhammed.

01 Dec 2012 11:57 AM
Ow! That was my feelings!     

BronyMedic: special20: If you don't think it's bad, why then do you continue to argue against its use?

Holy Christ. Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

I've argued against it's use for conditions which it SHOWS NO EFFECT FOR. Why would you give someone a medication for a condition,when it doesn't even work? Example: Marijuana is EXCEPTIONAL for the primary treatment of neuropathy and nerve pain. This is demonstrated by evidence and research. It's worthless primarily for somatic pain - like the pain caused by a bone fracture or by inflammation. Why then, would you market marijuana as a pain control substance for ALL pain, when it's just shown effective in one specific type of pain, and only has possibly adjunct activity in another?

It is unethical, and - according to FDA rules - illegal to market a medication for a condition which it has not been proven to treat. It's why you can't market drugs for off-label uses.

special20: What I think the issue is, for you, is that smoking is bad, not just that marijuana is bad. Is that about right?

I'm against smoking anything, period, but that's because the knowledge that 500 million dollars a year of my tax money is going to keep people alive with lung cancer, COPD/Emphysema, and heart failure/stroke because of their smoking - totally preventable disability.

special20: So if a user can vaporize marijuana to ingest it, you still find issue? Yet, you're not against weed in general? Whargarble?

If you want to use it recreationally for it's altering effects, then say that. Don't cheat the system to get something that's ostensibly intended for a medication. That's my point. I don't have a problem with recreational use. I have a problem with telling people it'll cure X, when in reality it's worse than useless for X.


As a pro-legalizer who has blantantly used MMJ as a path to legalization, I understand your point and I don't care. It was the only realistic means available to us to fight the bullshiat prohibition on Cannabis AND it has allowed individuals with a legitimate need to access the drug. Was medical usage secondary in my thinking while supporting MMJ? Of course. But without the support of the pro-legalization crowd, MMJ wouldn't exist anywhere. MMJ allowed us in Colorado to setup a regulatory system and prove that it could be dealt with responsibly. That system is why Colorado went from rejecting legal herb in 2006, 58-42, to supporting it 55-45 in 2012.

And for the record, I know a bunch of folks who use Cannabis for legitimate medical issues and almost all of them use a different delivery method than smoking. Primarily tinctures and edibles.

01 Dec 2012 12:01 PM
Ninjazx     

BronyMedic: special20: If you don't think it's bad, why then do you continue to argue against its use?

Holy Christ. Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

I've argued against it's use for conditions which it SHOWS NO EFFECT FOR. Why would you give someone a medication for a condition,when it doesn't even work? Example: Marijuana is EXCEPTIONAL for the primary treatment of neuropathy and nerve pain. This is demonstrated by evidence and research. It's worthless primarily for somatic pain - like the pain caused by a bone fracture or by inflammation. Why then, would you market marijuana as a pain control substance for ALL pain, when it's just shown effective in one specific type of pain, and only has possibly adjunct activity in another?

It is unethical, and - according to FDA rules - illegal to market a medication for a condition which it has not been proven to treat. It's why you can't market drugs for off-label uses.

special20: What I think the issue is, for you, is that smoking is bad, not just that marijuana is bad. Is that about right?

I'm against smoking anything, period, but that's because the knowledge that 500 million dollars a year of my tax money is going to keep people alive with lung cancer, COPD/Emphysema, and heart failure/stroke because of their smoking - totally preventable disability.

special20: So if a user can vaporize marijuana to ingest it, you still find issue? Yet, you're not against weed in general? Whargarble?

If you want to use it recreationally for it's altering effects, then say that. Don't cheat the system to get something that's ostensibly intended for a medication. That's my point. I don't have a problem with recreational use. I have a problem with telling people it'll cure X, when in reality it's worse than useless for X.




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01 Dec 2012 12:03 PM
danno_to_infinity     
I'd like to make a comment, but I have to schedule a, ahem, doctor's appointment for first thing monday morning.

"What do you mean you're not open yet? How farking long is it going to take?"

I'd like to be the first person in line. Please, pray that they allow out of state patients.

01 Dec 2012 12:08 PM
Bender The Offender     

BronyMedic: special20: If you don't think it's bad, why then do you continue to argue against its use?

Holy Christ. Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

I've argued against it's use for conditions which it SHOWS NO EFFECT FOR. Why would you give someone a medication for a condition,when it doesn't even work? Example: Marijuana is EXCEPTIONAL for the primary treatment of neuropathy and nerve pain. This is demonstrated by evidence and research. It's worthless primarily for somatic pain - like the pain caused by a bone fracture or by inflammation. Why then, would you market marijuana as a pain control substance for ALL pain, when it's just shown effective in one specific type of pain, and only has possibly adjunct activity in another?

It is unethical, and - according to FDA rules - illegal to market a medication for a condition which it has not been proven to treat. It's why you can't market drugs for off-label uses.

special20: What I think the issue is, for you, is that smoking is bad, not just that marijuana is bad. Is that about right?

I'm against smoking anything, period, but that's because the knowledge that 500 million dollars a year of my tax money is going to keep people alive with lung cancer, COPD/Emphysema, and heart failure/stroke because of their smoking - totally preventable disability.

special20: So if a user can vaporize marijuana to ingest it, you still find issue? Yet, you're not against weed in general? Whargarble?

If you want to use it recreationally for it's altering effects, then say that. Don't cheat the system to get something that's ostensibly intended for a medication. That's my point. I don't have a problem with recreational use. I have a problem with telling people it'll cure X, when in reality it's worse than useless for X.


What conditions has marijuana being touted to cure? You're lying, there is no "condition" that medical marijuana can "cure", or has been implied to cure. Not one serious researcher has ever proposed Marijuana cures anything. Marijuana can treat a variety of symptoms (pain, nausea, anorexia, anxiety) . I seriously think you've got no clue what your farking talking about. Please, why not contact all the MMJ researchers at there and explain to them the various ways that cannaboids can affect the human body, since you seem so certain in your knowledge of what it can't do and we all know that an associates degree in a completely unrelated field gives you special knowledge that pharmaceutical researchers don't have. Can you tell us how many carcinogens smoked cannabis has versus smoked tobacco? Tell us how you're willing to look into the face of someone whose body is ravished by carcinomas and say "sorry buddy, no pain relief for you, you might get cancer one day". It's not just stupid, it's farking cruel and evil. Can you tell us all that "smoking" is the way MD's suggest when they prescribe (it isn't, most prescribe eating it). You spount the same tired bullshiat arguments that NIDA feeds to stupid people and politicians like some sort of hostile jackass and expect to be taken seriously. Educate yourself so you don't end up looking like a jackass and imbecile. You know what, it's okay to be wrong, that's how we learn, but you're a farking smug asshole in your wrongness, and that's the absolute farking worse.

01 Dec 2012 12:10 PM
Billy Bathsalt     

BronyMedic: Billy Bathsalt: There's always a post on Fark about how it's some imaginary placebo. Bullshiat.

Evidence doesn't support this asertation, but hey. People also believe in Santa Claus, Jesus, and Muhammed.


Not sure what asertation you're talking about, but I would characterize what most acupuncturists do these days as 'sham acupuncture.' I'm not talking about Santa Claus.
Well, I've been to McDonalds, and all cheeseburgers suck. Evidence has spoken.

01 Dec 2012 12:10 PM
jjwars1     

belhade: Do chronic sciatica and ankylosing spondilitis count as "back pain"?


Mine does. You should easily qualify for a card, and the benefits of having that card will probably improve your quality of life dramatically. All you may need is weed and ibuprofen. No more steroids, spinal injections, surgery, or addictive painkillers.

01 Dec 2012 12:14 PM
TommyDeuce     
It means this:

Linky-pop

01 Dec 2012 12:18 PM
jaylectricity    [TotalFark]  

BronyMedic: 500 million dollars a year of my tax money


Wow...how much money do you make??

01 Dec 2012 12:24 PM
RobSeace    [TotalFark]  

BronyMedic: but that's because the knowledge that 500 million dollars a year of my tax money


Jesus Christ, man, you pay a lot of taxes! I didn't know paramedics made that kind of dough!

01 Dec 2012 12:25 PM
BronyMedic     

Bender The Offender: What conditions has marijuana being touted to cure? You're lying, there is no "condition" that medical marijuana can "cure", or has been implied to cure. Not one serious researcher has ever proposed Marijuana cures anything.


I've never said it does.My point was that there are a lot of unscrupulous people out there that DO, and calling them out on it is being treated like being anti-pot. A great example of this is what happened last year. A study was released that showed concentrated THC in a dish showed anti-tumor activity against cancer cell cultures. Groups and the media IMMEDIATELY sprung on it as a cure for cancer. It also happened a few years back when a study of long-term cannabis users showed that although they had similar rates of COPD, they had lower rates of lung cancer.

Bender The Offender: Marijuana can treat a variety of symptoms (pain, nausea, anorexia, anxiety) .


Uh, marijuana is great at treating certain kinds of pain. There are DIFFERENT types of pain. Some are generated by nerves. This is what it's great at. Some are generated by body tissue inflammation and direct tissue trauma. This is what it sucks at. Marijuana is okay at treating anxiety. However, in 30% of people, it has anxiety as a SIDE EFFECT, along with tachycardia and heart palpation. In anorexia, it's wonderful. In nausea, it's okay for certain types.

Interestingly enough, there have been case reports of acute pancreatitis linked to marijuana use. While it's rare, the mortality rate of acute pancreatitis is anywhere from 15 to 80%, depending on disease course factors.

Bender The Offender: ease, why not contact all the MMJ researchers at there and explain to them the various ways that cannaboids can affect the human body, since you seem so certain in your knowledge of what it can't do and we all know that an associates degree in a completely unrelated field gives you special knowledge that pharmaceutical researchers don't have.


Please, feel free to point out where I've made appeals to authority based on my associates degree, and not linked to research backing my claims, or cited them. Go ahead. You know, like Cannabis being contraindicated in people with a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia, or diagnosed schizophrenia. I don't have to contact those researchers, because I'm quoting those researchers.

Bender The Offender:
Can you tell us how many carcinogens smoked cannabis has versus smoked tobacco?

Sure. Here are some Studies for you.

Bender The Offender: Tell us how you're willing to look into the face of someone whose body is ravished by carcinomas and say "sorry buddy, no pain relief for you, you might get cancer one day". It's not just stupid, it's farking cruel and evil.


Or maybe you'd believe the Canadians.

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Bender The Offender: Can you tell us all that "smoking" is the way MD's suggest when they prescribe (it isn't, most prescribe eating it). You spount the same tired bullshiat arguments that NIDA feeds to stupid people and politicians like some sort of hostile jackass and expect to be taken seriously. Educate yourself so you don't end up looking like a jackass and imbecile. You know what, it's okay to be wrong, that's how we learn, but you're a farking smug asshole in your wrongness, and that's the absolute farking worse.


You're right. Most either vaporize, or give it through a pill or oil. I didn't claim they did. I only stated I disliked smoking personally because of the diseases it causes.

And I've presented evidence and studies linking to what I've claimed in this thread. You're not arguing with me. You're arguing with the very research you told me to "GO READ AND GET A BRAN, MORAN" about.

And you wonder why I get so vitrolic when I deal with you. It's not smugness. It's a dislike of dealing with someone who has no idea what he's raving about, and who's willing to make personal insults and put words in my mouth to win an argument.

01 Dec 2012 12:30 PM
Hobodeluxe     

BronyMedic: I think Marijuana is bad.


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01 Dec 2012 01:03 PM
Bender The Offender     

BronyMedic: Bender The Offender: What conditions has marijuana being touted to cure? You're lying, there is no "condition" that medical marijuana can "cure", or has been implied to cure. Not one serious researcher has ever proposed Marijuana cures anything.

I've never said it does.My point was that there are a lot of unscrupulous people out there that DO, and calling them out on it is being treated like being anti-pot. A great example of this is what happened last year. A study was released that showed concentrated THC in a dish showed anti-tumor activity against cancer cell cultures. Groups and the media IMMEDIATELY sprung on it as a cure for cancer. It also happened a few years back when a study of long-term cannabis users showed that although they had similar rates of COPD, they had lower rates of lung cancer.


Okay, we'll pretend you did not just farking say the marijuana is being touted as a cure because some news stories said that it had anti-carcinogenic properties. So, was your initial statement hyperbole or is there some huge industry peddling snake oil THC cures?

Bender The Offender: Marijuana can treat a variety of symptoms (pain, nausea, anorexia, anxiety) .

Uh, marijuana is great at treating certain kinds of pain. There are DIFFERENT types of pain. Some are generated by nerves. This is what it's great at. Some are generated by body tissue inflammation and direct tissue trauma. This is what it sucks at. Marijuana is okay at treating anxiety. However, in 30% of people, it has anxiety as a SIDE EFFECT, along with tachycardia and heart palpation. In anorexia, it's wonderful. In nausea, it's okay for certain types.

Interestingly enough, there have been case reports of acute pancreatitis linked to marijuana use. While it's rare, the mortality rate of acute pancreatitis is anywhere from 15 to 80%, depending on disease course factors.


Okay, in the past 20 years, name all of the studies done on marijuana's effect on soft tissue pain versus neuralgia. Go ahead, I'll wait. Without research, absolutely nothing can be said definitively, but that sure doesn't stop you from flopping your dick out and pissing on the whole ideal. What is the need for research and investigation when you have to win an argument on the internet by arguing the absence of evidence when there is an absence of research? Oh, and The farking ideal that somehow pain is not neurological is also exceptionally stupid. All pain is neurological just as all people ultimately die of hypoxia. I also enjoyed the red herring about "marijuana induced pancreatitis" and the implication of a 15-80% mortality rate.. I'm going to call utter bullshiat on any study conclusively saying cannabis can cause pancreatitis. I sure would be interested in seeing a link to that study, For each link you provide, I'll will provide 10 links extolling the virtues of cannabis for treatment of pancreatitis/panreatic cancer.

You're just going to twist things so you can ultimately be right because you don't give a fark about truth, you care about being right on the internet. Thank god you don't have a DEA number, I shudder to think of the suffering your patients would have to endure when they didn't fit within your moral filter of treatment. Ultimately, you're applying your morality to clinical treatment and that is farking wrong. You should leave the healthcare field right now and get a job selling cars if you can't divorce your clinical treatment from your morality. You are not there to be right, you're there to provide the best course of treatment. Exactly, when the fark would you even be confronted with this issue anyway? At what point is a Doc going to order you to give THC in the field. What if that is added to your county/city protocols. Are you going to refuse to comply with an order because you morally object? According to the GAO, the following are acceptable diagnosis for marijuana treatment:

Alzheimer's Disease
Anorexia
AIDS
Arthritis
Cachexia
Cancer
Crohn's Disease
Epilepsy
Glaucoma
HIV
Migraine
Multiple Sclerosis
Nausea
Pain
Spasticity
Wasting Syndrome

Now, I'm sure you think you know more than the doctors who approved that list. You don't. Quit farking pretending you do or keep up with your superior attitude, I'm sure that's going to work out real well for you the first time you get into a dick swinging contest with an ordering physician.

01 Dec 2012 01:06 PM
pissedoffmick     

BronyMedic: win an argument


You fought a good, clean, intelligent fight Sir. Unfortunately you were battling potato. You lose because they say so. You are anti-pot because they say so.

01 Dec 2012 01:25 PM
c4rr0tc4k3     
People who want to get high arent abusing anything by using medical marijuana.

Why are doctors handing out medical cards like candy when its supposed to be only for life threatening conditions? Thats right, because its just a matter of them making the money. Physicians make money every time they issue a card. I said I had nausea when waking up twice. I got my card, I certainly abused that system. They got heir money and I got my card.

01 Dec 2012 01:33 PM
BarkingUnicorn     
$199 a year for a "recommendation" that doesn't give you the legal right to smoke MMJ? Before any regulations are implemented specifying what "recommendations" are acceptable?

Would it be wise to buy a degree from an unaccredited college?

/fools money

01 Dec 2012 01:48 PM
BronyMedic     

Hobodeluxe: If I only had a brain!


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Actually, that's mean of me. Making fun of people with obvious learning disabilities isn't a nice thing to do.

Bender The Offender: Okay, in the past 20 years, name all of the studies done on marijuana's effect on soft tissue pain versus neuralgia


Here's a PubMed search for what you're asking for. Go do like you told me to do originally, and read the research.

Bender The Offender: What is the need for research and investigation when you have to win an argument on the internet by arguing the absence of evidence when there is an absence of research?


Absence of Research? There are THOUSANDS of research studies on PubMed alone. That's not counting allied-health specific research published in respective journals, and low-impact journal publications. Here's one study from 2012 showing just HOW AWESOME it is as an adjunct with opiate therapies in pain control.

Bender The Offender: The farking ideal that somehow pain is not neurological is also exceptionally stupid


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Neurogenic or Neuropathic Pain.
Somatic, or Nocioceptive pain

Yes. The type of pain IS important in it's treatment. And there IS a difference. Educate yourself before you go insulting other people, and look stupid yourself.

Bender The Offender: Oh, and The farking ideal that somehow pain is not neurological is also exceptionally stupid. All pain is neurological just as all people ultimately die of hypoxia. I also enjoyed the red herring about "marijuana induced pancreatitis" and the implication of a 15-80% mortality rate.


Cannabis-induced pancreatitis has been known since the early 1970s. It is an accepted, but very rare side effect of cannabis use. And if you have a link which shows cannabis is effective in the treatment of acute pancreatitis, and not the pain caused by it (i.e. lowering of serum amylase/lipase, inactivation of pancreatic enzymes), then by all means, post it'. I'd love to read it.

If you would read what I said, I said Acute Pancreatitis in and of itsself has a high mortality rate. You're basically autodigesting your internal organs.

And you can have a PaO2 of 400 and die of something other than hypoxia. Hypoxia's just one of the quicker ways to die. People who die of sepsis often have SVO2s higher than 80, despite being in massive shock.

Bender The Offender: You're just going to twist things so you can ultimately be right because you don't give a fark about truth, you care about being right on the internet


Riiight. Truth.

>BronyMedic Posts studies backing his claims.
>Bender the Offender posts personal insults and unbacked claims.

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Bender The Offender: Thank god you don't have a DEA number, I shudder to think of the suffering your patients would have to endure when they didn't fit within your moral filter of treatment. Ultimately, you're applying your morality to clinical treatment and that is farking wrong.


So now you accuse me of abusing my patients, and withholding treatment from them because of some imaginary moral bias you've developed of me?

Please. Feel free to go fark yourself. I mean it. Find the largest knife you can find, and shove it right up in your ass.

Bender The Offender: You should leave the healthcare field right now and get a job selling cars if you can't divorce your clinical treatment from your morality. You are not there to be right, you're there to provide the best course of treatment.


Again. You personally insult me because I disagree with you? What morality have I based my arguments on? Again, I've never argued Weed is bad. Or that it should be withheld. I said it should be used for conditions it's demonstrated effective for.

I made that big, so you could read it. I know how hard learning disabilities can be on someone.

Bender The Offender: Exactly, when the fark would you even be confronted with this issue anyway? At what point is a Doc going to order you to give THC in the field. What if that is added to your county/city protocols. Are you going to refuse to comply with an order because you morally object?


Which is a completely irrelevant argument. I detest people who push false cures, false hope, and promote "alternative medicine" on patients who are suffering, gullable, and willing to harm themselves by believing bad advice from people who (like yourself) clearly have NO idea what they are talking about, and are not only unwilling to admit that, MAYBE, I have done a little bit of research on what I'm talking about before setting down at a keyboard, and typing out a long reply to your stupidity.

Bender The Offender:
Alzheimer's Disease

Per the Cochraine Review:This review finds no evidence that cannabinoids are effective in the improvement of disturbed behaviour in dementia or in the treatment of other symptoms of dementia. More randomized double-blind placebo controlled trials are needed to determine whether cannabinoids are clinically effective in the treatment of dementia.

Bender The Offender: AIDS


It's used in the management of symptoms of AIDS, namely the anorexia or vomiting in AIDS wasting syndrome. It does not treat AIDS primarily, or lower viral load.Heavy use has been linked with psychiatric symptoms and poor Highly Active Anti-Retroviral Compliance.

Bender The Offender: Cancer


Used to manage the symptoms of cancer and associated therapy. If you claim it can cure cancer, you better cite a study, or I'm going to call you slime and a liar. People who push cancer woo are scum of the earth.


Bender The Offender:
Epilepsy

Marijuana interacts with the common anti-epileptic drugs, and increases the risk of a seizure in epileptics.

Bender The Offender: Multiple Sclerosis


Marijuana is used to treat the spasticity from it, and to treat the neurogenic (remember that pain you said there wasn't a difference in?) pain caused from it. It does NOTHING to slow the disease, or stop it's progression. It's a symptomatic treatment.

Bender The Offender: Now, I'm sure you think you know more than the doctors who approved that list. You don't. Quit farking pretending you do or keep up with your superior attitude, I'm sure that's going to work out real well for you the first time you get into a dick swinging contest with an ordering physician.


Oh, look. Someone who thinks that because someone has an MD, they're right.

I've never claimed to know more than a doctor.

I've also never claimed to make appeals to authority based on my credentials.

I've cited EVERY claim I've made on here with you. Yet you continue to ignore them, and personally insult me.

And, by the way? I may not hold an MD, but the first time a first year resident gives you an order you know is wrong, and you hurt a patient by following that order? Guess who ends up in court, or losing their license? Hint: It's not the doctor.

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pissedoffmick: You fought a good, clean, intelligent fight Sir. Unfortunately you were battling potato. You lose because they say so. You are anti-pot because they say so.


We've gone to derp factor five here with Bender, Sir. Enjoy the ride, it's going to be fun.

01 Dec 2012 01:59 PM
HindiDiscoMonster    [TotalFark]  

BronyMedic: special20: If you don't think it's bad, why then do you continue to argue against its use?

Holy Christ. Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

I've argued against it's use for conditions which it SHOWS NO EFFECT FOR. Why would you give someone a medication for a condition,when it doesn't even work? Example: Marijuana is EXCEPTIONAL for the primary treatment of neuropathy and nerve pain. This is demonstrated by evidence and research. It's worthless primarily for somatic pain - like the pain caused by a bone fracture or by inflammation. Why then, would you market marijuana as a pain control substance for ALL pain, when it's just shown effective in one specific type of pain, and only has possibly adjunct activity in another?

It is unethical, and - according to FDA rules - illegal to market a medication for a condition which it has not been proven to treat. It's why you can't market drugs for off-label uses.

special20: What I think the issue is, for you, is that smoking is bad, not just that marijuana is bad. Is that about right?

I'm against smoking anything, period, but that's because the knowledge that 500 million dollars a year of my tax money is going to keep people alive with lung cancer, COPD/Emphysema, and heart failure/stroke because of their smoking - totally preventable disability.

special20: So if a user can vaporize marijuana to ingest it, you still find issue? Yet, you're not against weed in general? Whargarble?

If you want to use it recreationally for it's altering effects, then say that. Don't cheat the system to get something that's ostensibly intended for a medication. That's my point. I don't have a problem with recreational use. I have a problem with telling people it'll cure X, when in reality it's worse than useless for X.


Good God... how much do you make to be taxed 500 million a year?

01 Dec 2012 03:05 PM
HindiDiscoMonster    [TotalFark]  

Billy Bathsalt: BronyMedic: Billy Bathsalt: There's always a post on Fark about how it's some imaginary placebo. Bullshiat.

Evidence doesn't support this asertation, but hey. People also believe in Santa Claus, Jesus, and Muhammed.

Not sure what asertation you're talking about, but I would characterize what most acupuncturists do these days as 'sham acupuncture.' I'm not talking about Santa Claus.
Well, I've been to McDonalds, and all cheeseburgers suck. Evidence has spoken.


I must respectfully disagree on this point, and to that I will simply say:
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