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   Pharmacist recalls the day last summer when he was held at gunpoint for several hours by a drugged-up robber, tied with duct tape, and forced to watch several Ron Paul campaign videos

02 Dec 2012 08:41 AM   |   3605 clicks   |   Omaha World Herald
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TV's Vinnie     
RON PAUL!!

02 Dec 2012 04:26 AM
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NewportBarGuy    [TotalFark]  
This is getting re-goddamn-diculous! I know people don't seem to give a sh*t about pharmacy workers, but this prescription drug epidemic has to be faced at some point. I don't want to arm the pharmacy workers, but we have to figure out a solution. I have heard absolutely ZERO about what the DEA and state pharmacy boards suggest to improve worker safety. How many more people have to die before we realize we have to do something about this issue?

Doctors need to held to account for their inability to properly write scripts for pain medication, keeping patients on the meds for too long, improperly writing for 4-5 narcotics that do the same thing when they can use 1 for pain mait. and 1 for breakthrough. There should be rules about security for any pharmacy that carries CII medications. Hell, subway workers have more safety than we do.

I have it made at a federal facility. We have bullet-proof glass, and a police force on hand to respond in 1 minute or less from when we hit the panic button. This issue must be dealt with. I'm sure the retail pharmacies will balk at the cost, just look at what they pay their non-pharmacist workers.

02 Dec 2012 08:09 AM
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ginandbacon    [TotalFark]  
I could probably handle being held hostage by a dope-fiend for 7 hours, but having to watch Ron Paul videos on YouTube? No way.

02 Dec 2012 08:18 AM
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Apos     
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02 Dec 2012 08:24 AM
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dready zim     
Because only drug crazed criminals would vote for ron paul?

02 Dec 2012 08:49 AM
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ramblinwreck     
Why the hell was that article written like that.

02 Dec 2012 08:56 AM
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HighlanderRPI     
Just disguise Cyanide pills as Oxy, give robber disguised pills. problem solved.

02 Dec 2012 08:58 AM
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Mrtraveler01    [TotalFark]  

dready zim: Because only drug crazed criminals would vote for ron paul?


Well only people who abuse perscription drugs would think going back to the Gold Standard is a remotely good idea so...

02 Dec 2012 09:07 AM
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Dracolich     

dready zim: Because only drug crazed criminals would vote for ron paul?


No one said "only," but given my own experiences I would expect a correlation.

02 Dec 2012 09:08 AM
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Mr. Coffee Nerves    [TotalFark]  
"Are you *sure* you can't just kill me?"

02 Dec 2012 09:17 AM
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hbk72777     

NewportBarGuy: This is getting re-goddamn-diculous! I know people don't seem to give a sh*t about pharmacy workers, but this prescription drug epidemic has to be faced at some point. I don't want to arm the pharmacy workers, but we have to figure out a solution. I have heard absolutely ZERO about what the DEA and state pharmacy boards suggest to improve worker safety. How many more people have to die before we realize we have to do something about this issue?

Doctors need to held to account for their inability to properly write scripts for pain medication, keeping patients on the meds for too long, improperly writing for 4-5 narcotics that do the same thing when they can use 1 for pain mait. and 1 for breakthrough. There should be rules about security for any pharmacy that carries CII medications. Hell, subway workers have more safety than we do.

I have it made at a federal facility. We have bullet-proof glass, and a police force on hand to respond in 1 minute or less from when we hit the panic button. This issue must be dealt with. I'm sure the retail pharmacies will balk at the cost, just look at what they pay their non-pharmacist workers.


Or people could take responsibility for themselves?

02 Dec 2012 09:28 AM
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thurstonxhowell     

hbk72777: Or people could take responsibility for themselves?


Ah, the standard RON PAUL response. Have a problem? Well, did you try not having a problem? No need for a solution, just don't have the problem in the first place.

02 Dec 2012 09:42 AM
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Mrtraveler01    [TotalFark]  

thurstonxhowell: hbk72777: Or people could take responsibility for themselves?

Ah, the standard RON PAUL response. Have a problem? Well, did you try not having a problem? No need for a solution, just don't have the problem in the first place.


Same logic people use when trying to explain why the FDA is unnecessary.

Its flipping stupid. 

But then again, people also use this same logic for saying that only abstinence-only sex ed is the answer to stopping teen pregnancies so I guess it's expected to encounter some idiocy like that.

02 Dec 2012 09:49 AM
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trappedspirit     

NewportBarGuy: This is getting re-goddamn-diculous! I know people don't seem to give a sh*t about pharmacy workers, but this... ... ... ... ... ...


Dude. Ron Paul.

02 Dec 2012 10:00 AM
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NFA    [TotalFark]  

HighlanderRPI: Just disguise Cyanide pills as Oxy, give robber disguised pills. problem solved.


I'm going to make a wild guess that pharmacists actually don't stock "Cynide pills".

02 Dec 2012 10:37 AM
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yet_another_wumpus     

NFA: HighlanderRPI: Just disguise Cyanide pills as Oxy, give robber disguised pills. problem solved.

I'm going to make a wild guess that pharmacists actually don't stock "Cynide pills".


Do you really think there is nothing back on a pharmacist's shelf that won't kill a person with a standard Oxy dose? And what type of prescription did Dr. Kevorkian use?

02 Dec 2012 10:55 AM
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DaCaptain19     

ramblinwreck: Why the hell was that article written like that.


I stopped reading when the article flashed back to when he was 10 and had his first sexual experience via self-mutilation.

02 Dec 2012 11:08 AM
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HighlanderRPI     

NFA: HighlanderRPI: Just disguise Cyanide pills as Oxy, give robber disguised pills. problem solved.

I'm going to make a wild guess that pharmacists actually don't stock "Cynide pills".


I was suggesting that they start doing so, disguised as Oxy pills.
Kind of like the bank with the fake stack of money with embedded dye-pack, right next to the real stack of $100s

02 Dec 2012 11:11 AM
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dickfreckle     

Mr. Coffee Nerves: "Are you *sure* you can't just kill me?"


LOL.

I got stuck in a car during the primaries with some guy yammering about the Ron Paul Revolution. I'm all, "It's not a band. It's an election." Everyone else in the car laughed even though it wasn't all that funny, but he just sulked.

/thankfully it was just a beer run and not a road trip, because no one has the stomach for hours of that crap

02 Dec 2012 11:36 AM
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Hector Remarkable     
Don't mind me, I just wandered into the thread looking for Summer Glau pictures.

02 Dec 2012 11:46 AM
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LamOtter     
I was in a similar situation...well, I mean I was stuck at a bar once with my cousin and his friends were rolling heavy on e and couldn't stop talking about how 9/11 was planned by the government and how awesome Ron Paul is...less drug-crazed hostage-taking murderers, but other than that, pretty much the same thing...

02 Dec 2012 11:49 AM
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offmymeds     

Hector Remarkable: Don't mind me, I just wandered into the thread looking for Summer Glau pictures.


Always happy to help out.

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You're welcome.

02 Dec 2012 12:09 PM
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Satanic_Hamster     
So a typical Paulbot then.

02 Dec 2012 12:35 PM
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squirrelflavoredyogurt     
Those damn alliance pharmacists, serves them right.

For the Horde!!!

02 Dec 2012 02:32 PM
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Jon iz teh kewl     
legalize oxy

02 Dec 2012 02:41 PM
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KickahaOta     

yet_another_wumpus: Do you really think there is nothing back on a pharmacist's shelf that won't kill a person with a standard Oxy dose? And what type of prescription did Dr. Kevorkian use?


Let's think this through, shall we? There's at least three probably-fatal problems that come to mind in twenty seconds' thought:

* If the use of poison pills becomes remotely common practice, then the first thing the robber will do is force the pharmacist to take some to prove it's good.
* Yes, there are plenty of drugs that will kill you. But there are no drugs that will kill you instantly, at least not in dosages that can pass for a dose of pain meds. That means that, sure, you poison the stupid robber and maybe he eventually dies, but not before he puts a bullet through your head in a fit of pique.
* Exactly what drug manufacturer is going to manufacture drugs intended to be fatal and intended to look like another drug, in any context? As soon as some of those drugs got used to murder someone -- or accidentally dispensed to an innocent party, since after all, the packaging would have to look normal too -- it would be corporate suicide.

02 Dec 2012 02:44 PM
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BronyMedic     

KickahaOta: * If the use of poison pills becomes remotely common practice, then the first thing the robber will do is force the pharmacist to take some to prove it's good.
* Yes, there are plenty of drugs that will kill you. But there are no drugs that will kill you instantly, at least not in dosages that can pass for a dose of pain meds. That means that, sure, you poison the stupid robber and maybe he eventually dies, but not before he puts a bullet through your head in a fit of pique.


Well. Not that you can get in a retail pharmacy.

Fentanyl and Succinylcholine work pretty fast, and both can be given IM.

02 Dec 2012 03:22 PM
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tirob     
Ron Paul: Not a psychotic, but number one with psychotics.

02 Dec 2012 03:23 PM
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BronyMedic     

NewportBarGuy: This is getting re-goddamn-diculous! I know people don't seem to give a sh*t about pharmacy workers, but this prescription drug epidemic has to be faced at some point. I don't want to arm the pharmacy workers, but we have to figure out a solution. I have heard absolutely ZERO about what the DEA and state pharmacy boards suggest to improve worker safety. How many more people have to die before we realize we have to do something about this issue?

Doctors need to held to account for their inability to properly write scripts for pain medication, keeping patients on the meds for too long, improperly writing for 4-5 narcotics that do the same thing when they can use 1 for pain mait. and 1 for breakthrough. There should be rules about security for any pharmacy that carries CII medications. Hell, subway workers have more safety than we do.

I have it made at a federal facility. We have bullet-proof glass, and a police force on hand to respond in 1 minute or less from when we hit the panic button. This issue must be dealt with. I'm sure the retail pharmacies will balk at the cost, just look at what they pay their non-pharmacist workers.


The problem is that Healthcare as a whole does a shiatty job at treating pain properly, and provider bias, load, and the lack of utilization and availability of trained pain management specialist MDs and NPs play a role in it.

02 Dec 2012 03:24 PM
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RicosRoughnecks     

KickahaOta: * If the use of poison pills becomes remotely common practice, then the first thing the robber will do is force the pharmacist to take some to prove it's good.


This was my first thought about that too. It would have to be kept really secret in order to work. You could just give him iocane powder and build up a tolerance to it first, though that may seem inconceivable.

02 Dec 2012 03:49 PM
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NewportBarGuy    [TotalFark]  

trappedspirit: NewportBarGuy: This is getting re-goddamn-diculous! I know people don't seem to give a sh*t about pharmacy workers, but this... ... ... ... ... ...

Dude. Ron Paul.




I stand corrected, my good sir. Thank you for the b*tchslap back into reality.

02 Dec 2012 04:53 PM
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Giant Clown Shoe     

hbk72777: Or people could take responsibility for themselves?


If you choose to live in an area that has pharmacy robberies then you have to deal with the consequences of that decision... and buy insurance.

02 Dec 2012 05:26 PM
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rabidpandabear     

HighlanderRPI: Just disguise Cyanide pills as Oxy, give robber disguised pills. problem solved.




There was actually a case of an independent pharmacist who stored aspirin in old oxy bottles in case he was robbed. He was robbed and gave those to the robber instead of the real thing. The robber died from this, and his family sued the pharmacist for wrongful death.

No pharmacist that I have worked with is willing to take the risks involved with setting up & storing fake pills. The vast majority of pharmacy robberies (at least around here) happen very quickly, but there have been a few that have been very... strange. The quick ones we just want to get the hell out of the store as quickly as possible with as little confusion as possible, and the strange ones you just don't want to piss off. Fake pills could increase confusion, especially if there's a floater pharmacist who doesn't always have them, raise the possibility of being sued when the jackarse dies, and piss off the strange ones, which nobody wants.

02 Dec 2012 05:37 PM
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ha-ha-guy     
I hate to Monday Morning QB, but the earlier rescue attempts by the police sound really bad. The one officer walking into a store containing a gunman and the others talking loud enough the gunman hears them and shoots them through the wall. Someone needs some remedial training.

/You'd also think there would be a general policy about not going in engaging the robber while he has hostages
//let him clean out the register and run outside, thinking he beat the police response, and then drop him in the street

03 Dec 2012 12:37 PM
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