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   Good: Convicted murderer ordered to pay funeral costs for victim. Payback: It was a traditional Hmong funeral lasting more than three days and included food and drink for all 500 guests

02 Dec 2012 06:01 PM   |   9291 clicks   |   Journal Times
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ZAZ    [TotalFark]  

From the real article:

Following earlier testimony by the victim's family, Stengel indicated that he did not believe the family held the funeral with the idea of recouping its cost. Nor did he think the funeral was excessive or outside what's called for in Hmong culture.
This story reminded me of the Indian vegetarians who were accidentally served meat in a New Jersey restaurant. The waiter had promised vegetarian food so there was an actionable breach of warranty. The plaintiffs insisted the restaurant had to pay to fly them back to India for a purification ritual. The appeals court said the remedy was based on reasonable expectations of the parties prior to the incident, not a blank check for whatever the plaintiffs wanted.  Restitution here should be based on a normal funeral, not a three day party.

02 Dec 2012 02:58 PM
ZAZ    [TotalFark]  
P.S. It wasn't murder, it was "first-degree reckless homicide and first-degree reckless injury" which sounds like a newfangled name for manslaughter and assault and battery.

02 Dec 2012 03:23 PM
optikeye    [TotalFark]  
That's a Hmongous Funeral.

02 Dec 2012 05:02 PM
Dead for Tax Reasons     
He who is hmong you without sin, let him cast the first scone

02 Dec 2012 05:53 PM
Jiro Dreams Of McRibs     
How can legumes for 500 people cost so much?

/Surely, Sherman my dear boy, you've...heard...of...Hmong beans?

02 Dec 2012 06:03 PM
Outlaw Thirds     
Everyone dies eventually. Saying that it's someone's fault that you need to pay for a funeral is stupid.

02 Dec 2012 06:05 PM
MellwoodDitworthy     
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"As long as it's not cat"


02 Dec 2012 06:08 PM
Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist     
Is this the funeral rite where you leave the deceased in the house while you save up money to sacrifice enough bulls and build a temple or whatever? That was an odd episode of National Geographic.

02 Dec 2012 06:09 PM
talkertopc     
3 day party with foods and drinks? Excuse me while I try to become acquainted with some terminally ill Hmong people.

02 Dec 2012 06:09 PM
LtDarkstar     
I know all of those hmong people in Wisconsin like to raise carp in basements (according to some cops in Milwaukee who've had the displeasure of having to visit their properties)... like their very own ghetto fish market. Why didn't they just fish some out and serve that?

02 Dec 2012 06:13 PM
Kumana Wanalaia     

optikeye: That's a Hmongous Funeral.


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now look what you made me do.

02 Dec 2012 06:15 PM
The Jami Turman Fan Club     

talkertopc: 3 day party with foods and drinks? Excuse me while I try to become acquainted with some terminally ill Hmong people.


Normally the guests have to pay for it.

$36,000 seems low. $24 per guest per day? Not much of a party.

02 Dec 2012 06:19 PM
Kevin72    [TotalFark]  
Good luck collecting from a broke 22-year-old in jail.

02 Dec 2012 06:20 PM
firefly212     

ZAZ: From the real article:Following earlier testimony by the victim's family, Stengel indicated that he did not believe the family held the funeral with the idea of recouping its cost. Nor did he think the funeral was excessive or outside what's called for in Hmong culture.This story reminded me of the Indian vegetarians who were accidentally served meat in a New Jersey restaurant. The waiter had promised vegetarian food so there was an actionable breach of warranty. The plaintiffs insisted the restaurant had to pay to fly them back to India for a purification ritual. The appeals court said the remedy was based on reasonable expectations of the parties prior to the incident, not a blank check for whatever the plaintiffs wanted.  Restitution here should be based on a normal funeral, not a three day party.


A three day wake-like party is the norm for their culture... coming from an Irish-Catholic background, I've never been to a funeral with fewer than a couple hundred people, and an excess of alcohol. Usually there's a viewing before too. So two days, plenty of drinking, plenty of friends, plenty of family... we celebrate lives lived... you shouldn't be able to take away from that some sort of mentality that it's a frivolous party or expenditure outside of the norm for my family and friends. The reasonable expectation isn't that murder victims families should have to scale back their celebrations of the lives of victims just so it might be more within the budget of the dick who killed people in the first place.

02 Dec 2012 06:21 PM
JohnAnnArbor    [TotalFark]  

Dead for Tax Reasons: He who is hmong you without sin, let him cast the first scone


Sounds like a nice funeral, everyone hmong friends like that.

02 Dec 2012 06:21 PM
firefly212     

Kevin72: Good luck collecting from a broke 22-year-old in jail.


He'll be out when he's forty, and the court can garnish wages from whatever pittance minimum wage job he can get.

02 Dec 2012 06:22 PM
Richard Saunders     
Blood money.

Not a Laosy idea.

02 Dec 2012 06:30 PM
relaxitsjustme     
Good luck collecting

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02 Dec 2012 06:32 PM
Imp     
I attended a Hmong funeral and this is standard. The one I went to was 6 days and went from morning to night. Food was provided at midday and at night. It was a big traditional spread too. It seemed like a cow was butchered in the garage every morning. (just saw the aftermath, not the actual process)

So, food and drink for 300-500 people for 2 meals everyday for a week-ish. 36,000 sounds about right.

02 Dec 2012 06:34 PM
cmb53208     

LtDarkstar: I know all of those hmong people in Wisconsin like to raise carp in basements (according to some cops in Milwaukee who've had the displeasure of having to visit their properties)... like their very own ghetto fish market. Why didn't they just fish some out and serve that?


Oh please, that's hardly the worst thing that goes on in Milwaukee

02 Dec 2012 06:37 PM
freewill    [TotalFark]  

firefly212: A three day wake-like party is the norm for their culture... coming from an Irish-Catholic background, I've never been to a funeral with fewer than a couple hundred people, and an excess of alcohol.


See, I'm from a Scottish-Protestant background, so there's like, eight of us, three of whom aren't talking to the other five because of a longstanding grievance.

02 Dec 2012 06:37 PM
Arthur Jumbles     
Note to self, kill friendless hobo...

02 Dec 2012 06:55 PM
Kevin72    [TotalFark]  

firefly212: Kevin72: Good luck collecting from a broke 22-year-old in jail.

He'll be out when he's forty, and the court can garnish wages from whatever pittance minimum wage job he can get.


O.I.C. And good luck with that.

02 Dec 2012 06:57 PM
Gyrfalcon    [TotalFark]  

Kumana Wanalaia: optikeye: That's a Hmongous Funeral.

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now look what you made me do.


That was bad, and you both should feel bad.

02 Dec 2012 07:00 PM
snocone    [TotalFark]  
You should try a Hmong wedding.

02 Dec 2012 07:10 PM
PhiloeBedoe    [TotalFark]  
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We will need a large supply of individually-wrapped processed cheese...
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02 Dec 2012 07:27 PM
inglixthemad     

MellwoodDitworthy: "As long as it's not cat"


Having had Hmong neighbors, their food is farking delicious. Of course I had them over for my cooking as well, they loved the Irish lamb stew I made the most.

Still have them over for dinner a couple times a year, and visit them for dinner too.

02 Dec 2012 07:57 PM
Ken VeryBigLiar     

LtDarkstar: I know all of those hmong people in Wisconsin like to raise carp in basements (according to some cops in Milwaukee who've had the displeasure of having to visit their properties)... like their very own ghetto fish market. Why didn't they just fish some out and serve that?


Man, are we getting ripped of down here. Back where I grew up north of the Dells the two Hmong clans grew weed and made rice wine in their basements.

02 Dec 2012 07:59 PM
ModernLuddite     
I'm from a southern baptist background. The funerals we have involve a couple of hours at church, then fist fights over who gets the good furniture.

Seriously. I got to watch my grandma's elderly brothers and sisters hit each other with chairs over an oak bedroom set. Why yes, this was in Florida.

I wish I could trade my genes up to Hmong. That sounds more fun.

//Death is bad. Celebrations are good.

02 Dec 2012 08:04 PM
4seasons85!    [TotalFark]  

MellwoodDitworthy: "As long as it's not cat"


Great movie

02 Dec 2012 08:58 PM
armor helix     

optikeye: That's a Hmongous Funeral.


Well done, sir. Well done.

02 Dec 2012 09:10 PM
wildcardjack     
Okay... 18 year sentence, $36000 restitution. Are we talking finance or what?

02 Dec 2012 09:23 PM
MrDon    [TotalFark]  

Kevin72: firefly212: Kevin72: Good luck collecting from a broke 22-year-old in jail.

He'll be out when he's forty, and the court can garnish wages from whatever pittance minimum wage job he can get.

O.I.C. And good luck with that.


Ask Ron Goldman's father about all the money he collected from O.J.

02 Dec 2012 10:17 PM
Gyrfalcon    [TotalFark]  

wildcardjack: Okay... 18 year sentence, $36000 restitution. Are we talking finance or what?


You can finance an 18-year sentence?

02 Dec 2012 10:24 PM
Kevin72    [TotalFark]  

MrDon: Kevin72: firefly212: Kevin72: Good luck collecting from a broke 22-year-old in jail.

He'll be out when he's forty, and the court can garnish wages from whatever pittance minimum wage job he can get.

O.I.C. And good luck with that.

Ask Ron Goldman's father about all the money he collected from O.J.


That's my point?

02 Dec 2012 10:26 PM
Wayne 985     

ModernLuddite: I'm from a southern baptist background. The funerals we have involve a couple of hours at church, then fist fights over who gets the good furniture.

Seriously. I got to watch my grandma's elderly brothers and sisters hit each other with chairs over an oak bedroom set. Why yes, this was in Florida...


JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY!

/Sorry

02 Dec 2012 10:58 PM
skinink     
Hfark that judgement.

02 Dec 2012 11:36 PM
thisiszombocom     
Pure Nguyen.

/ that's Hmong, right?

03 Dec 2012 01:49 AM
Wittenberg Dropout     
While I have no problems about the spirit of this ruling, can't we find a more secular way of dealing with funerary expenses? What do atheists get if they get killed? What's stopping people from creating stupid religions that have ridiculously expensive funerals so they can exploit this?

This gets appealed and thrown out.

03 Dec 2012 02:09 AM
SwiftFox     

Wittenberg Dropout: While I have no problems about the spirit of this ruling, can't we find a more secular way of dealing with funerary expenses? What do atheists get if they get killed? What's stopping people from creating stupid religions that have ridiculously expensive funerals so they can exploit this?

They're dead?

03 Dec 2012 03:39 AM
runescorpio     

Outlaw Thirds: Everyone dies eventually. Saying that it's someone's fault that you need to pay for a funeral is stupid.


He caused a persons death. The least he can do is pay for a party for his family.

03 Dec 2012 07:00 AM
manimal2878     
Hey math people, how many members of the community would you have to have so that you were perpetually in a state of attending funerals? Seems if the community was big enough and each funeral lasted three days, presumably scheduled over a weekend, woulnd't there be a point where the entirety of your weekend life is spent at funerals?

03 Dec 2012 10:59 AM
ErinPac     

ZAZ: P.S. It wasn't murder, it was "first-degree reckless homicide and first-degree reckless injury" which sounds like a newfangled name for manslaughter and assault and battery.


Here's two of the stories on the shooting (the dead guy and another were shot):
http://fox6now.com/2012/01/12/charges -filed-in-sheboygan-walmart-shoo t ing/
http://www.hmongpages.com/index.php/c ommunity/5-community/221-20-year - old-hmong-man-killed-at-sheboygan-wal- mart

It's not like it was a bar brawl or traffic accident. Shooting in a Walmart parking lot, from a felon who wasn't allowed a gun, as the guy is running away? Not feeling a ton of sympathy for the funeral expense.

03 Dec 2012 02:08 PM
It's Me Bender     
So how much restitution did this guy have to pay?

03 Dec 2012 06:00 PM
o'really    [TotalFark]  
Hmong food IS delicious, except for the poo stew.

My sister offered to go to a friend's mom's funeral in africa, which unexpectedly ended up with her spending 3 days serving men, sleeping on the floor with dozens of other women, and everyone assuming she was married to the friend. Also, no one there spoke english.

04 Dec 2012 11:52 AM
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