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02 Dec 2012 06:48 PM   |   17246 clicks   |   Journal Times
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Bontesla     
Two employees with the city of La Crosse have been paid nearly $80,000 since they were placed on administrative leave six months ago, and the city still hasn't explained what policies they're accused of violating.

In addition, the city paid another $25,000 to have a private firm take over one of the employee's duties, according to a La Crosse Tribune report.


So, what I'm hearing is that the City of La Crosse is hiring...

02 Dec 2012 01:14 PM
Fear_and_Loathing    [TotalFark]  
They gave her no reason, they didn't suspend her for no reason. 

02 Dec 2012 01:18 PM
ecmoRandomNumbers    [TotalFark]  
My guess:

Two underlings caught a supervisor doing something illegal or "improper" and are on "keep your mouth shut" leave.

02 Dec 2012 02:05 PM
Benevolent Misanthrope    [TotalFark]  
Escott said it was frustrating "not to be given a reason as to what they suspect you did wrong." She said the city gave her no warning before suspending her and that she was never told the basis of any complaint against her. She said she was told she was being investigated for a potential violation of a city policy, but when she asked which policy she was told that wasn't known yet.

Yeah - we don't know what you did yet, but we'll come up with something, I assure you.

02 Dec 2012 03:48 PM
Ambivalence    [TotalFark]  
At least they're trying to challenge it. If it were me I woudln't exactly be hiring a lawyer asking "Why won't you let me work?"

02 Dec 2012 03:50 PM
Lsherm    [TotalFark]  
A city government wasting money? How is this possible?

02 Dec 2012 04:27 PM
Benevolent Misanthrope    [TotalFark]  

Ambivalence: At least they're trying to challenge it. If it were me I woudln't exactly be hiring a lawyer asking "Why won't you let me work?"


So, you'd be okay with your boss suspending you and putting a major disciplinary action on your record with no explanation?

02 Dec 2012 04:37 PM
Ambivalence    [TotalFark]  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ambivalence: At least they're trying to challenge it. If it were me I woudln't exactly be hiring a lawyer asking "Why won't you let me work?"

So, you'd be okay with your boss suspending you and putting a major disciplinary action on your record with no explanation?


I am a very ethical person, the chances of me getting a major disciplinary action is slim. And if I did do wrong, I'd accept punishment for it. My governing principle in life is to never do anything I'd be ashamed to admit to anyone.

02 Dec 2012 05:15 PM
Benevolent Misanthrope    [TotalFark]  

Ambivalence: Benevolent Misanthrope: Ambivalence: At least they're trying to challenge it. If it were me I woudln't exactly be hiring a lawyer asking "Why won't you let me work?"

So, you'd be okay with your boss suspending you and putting a major disciplinary action on your record with no explanation?

I am a very ethical person, the chances of me getting a major disciplinary action is slim. And if I did do wrong, I'd accept punishment for it. My governing principle in life is to never do anything I'd be ashamed to admit to anyone.


That wasn't what I asked. I asked if you'd be okay with being suspended for no reason, and being told they don;t even know what you did wrong, as long as they pay you.

I certainly wouldn't be, but you may be different.

02 Dec 2012 05:31 PM
Saborlas    [TotalFark]  
I want that job.

02 Dec 2012 05:34 PM
Ambivalence    [TotalFark]  

Benevolent Misanthrope: That wasn't what I asked. I asked if you'd be okay with being suspended for no reason, and being told they don;t even know what you did wrong, as long as they pay you.

I certainly wouldn't be, but you may be different.


To be honest, I can't even imagine having a job where "suspension with pay" is even an option so I don't know how I"d feel about it.

02 Dec 2012 05:42 PM
OregonVet    [TotalFark]  
Serious query: what is her FARK handle?

02 Dec 2012 06:10 PM
Benevolent Misanthrope    [TotalFark]  

Ambivalence: Benevolent Misanthrope: That wasn't what I asked. I asked if you'd be okay with being suspended for no reason, and being told they don;t even know what you did wrong, as long as they pay you.

I certainly wouldn't be, but you may be different.

To be honest, I can't even imagine having a job where "suspension with pay" is even an option so I don't know how I"d feel about it.


Yeah, I'm in a job where suspension with pay can happen while they investigate a serious offense and they think the person is a serious risk to have on the job (financial folks, IT, etc.). Usually, a person is caught dead to rights and they put them on suspension while they do the legal mumbo-jumbo. Suspending someone and not telling them why is a bullshiat tactic that says, "We have no proof of anything you did wrong, but we're going to dig something up or fabricate something, just you watch."

02 Dec 2012 06:24 PM
ladyfortuna     

ecmoRandomNumbers: My guess:

Two underlings caught a supervisor doing something illegal or "improper" and are on "keep your mouth shut" leave.


"She said she was told she was being investigated for a potential violation of a city policy, but when she asked which policy she was told that wasn't known yet."

I'm guessing it's a lot more serious, like embezzling a lot of money from the retirement funds. It's wise to remove the ability to snag any more while you run the investigation...

02 Dec 2012 06:52 PM
Shrinkwrap     
Get her back to work, this isn't a cop here.

02 Dec 2012 06:52 PM
stirfrybry     
Government employees: How do they work?

Answer: Not much and not well

02 Dec 2012 06:55 PM
Hrist     

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ambivalence: Benevolent Misanthrope: That wasn't what I asked. I asked if you'd be okay with being suspended for no reason, and being told they don;t even know what you did wrong, as long as they pay you.

I certainly wouldn't be, but you may be different.

To be honest, I can't even imagine having a job where "suspension with pay" is even an option so I don't know how I"d feel about it.

Yeah, I'm in a job where suspension with pay can happen while they investigate a serious offense and they think the person is a serious risk to have on the job (financial folks, IT, etc.). Usually, a person is caught dead to rights and they put them on suspension while they do the legal mumbo-jumbo. Suspending someone and not telling them why is a bullshiat tactic that says, "We have no proof of anything you did wrong, but we're going to dig something up or fabricate something, just you watch."


I bet the fact that someone jumped the gun a few months early in their suspension will be brought up when the civil case goes to trial. Everyone I've EVER heard of getting suspended with pay knew exactly what was up, was told exactly what was up, the legal department knew exactly what was up, and pretty much everyone knew exactly what was up. It's common practice to let people know. One of two things is going on: They're trying to come up with some dirt because they pissed the wrong person off, or they won't say anything because it'll get them in legal shiat to do so. The second case actually isn't uncommon when people get fired for some kind of crime they committed...you can turn right around and sue them for slander if you aren't actually convicted of what they accuse you of.

All of that being said, there's no reason it should go on for six months. If you commit a crime, you're probably going to hear about it within six months if anyone else knows about it.

02 Dec 2012 06:57 PM
Another Government Employee     

ladyfortuna: ecmoRandomNumbers: My guess:

Two underlings caught a supervisor doing something illegal or "improper" and are on "keep your mouth shut" leave.

"She said she was told she was being investigated for a potential violation of a city policy, but when she asked which policy she was told that wasn't known yet."

I'm guessing it's a lot more serious, like embezzling a lot of money from the retirement funds. It's wise to remove the ability to snag any more while you run the investigation...


Given it is the Community Development director, I'm guessing improper RFP or contract procedures.

Of course, they could have been screwing in the office after hours and got caught...

02 Dec 2012 06:58 PM
Notabunny    [TotalFark]  

Saborlas: I want that job.


I doubt it. It sounds like a case of incompetent management who enjoy punishing subordinates.

02 Dec 2012 07:01 PM
GBB     

Notabunny: Saborlas: I want that job.

I doubt it. It sounds like a case of incompetent management who enjoy punishing subordinates.


But... "paid leave"!!!

02 Dec 2012 07:02 PM
vabeard     
I can't be rightfully outraged unless I know what race they are.

02 Dec 2012 07:02 PM
Day_Old_Dutchie     
Oestreich said she couldn't comment further on personnel matters.

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02 Dec 2012 07:04 PM
farkeruk     

GBB: But... "paid leave"!!!


THIS

Seriously, if someone paid me, I'd sit home developing my dotcom idea.

It's like these morons who win the lottery and carry on working their bum job. The whole farking point of winning the lottery is that you don't have to do that shiat any more, you can do whatever you like with that time.

02 Dec 2012 07:07 PM
GBB     
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They got "corporate sponsorship".

02 Dec 2012 07:07 PM
mediablitz    [TotalFark]  

stirfrybry: Government employees: How do they work?

Answer: Not much and not well


Huh? This woman is fighting to get BACK to work.

02 Dec 2012 07:07 PM
TuteTibiImperes    [TotalFark]  
While I wouldn't really mind getting paid my full average wage while not actually having to go to work, especially if I knew I didn't do anything wrong, after six months I can see her getting a bit stir-crazy. It's likely that now she's trying to get out in front of the story so that the employers can't leak something like "incompetent worker paid over $40,000 for not showing up at work" and creating a bias against her for potential jurors if whatever they company thinks happened ever goes to court.

02 Dec 2012 07:08 PM
Gyrfalcon     

Notabunny: Saborlas: I want that job.

I doubt it. It sounds like a case of incompetent management who enjoy punishing subordinates.


Probably. In the one case, the guy had a "confrontation" with his boss, who was then the city attorney. My suspicion there is that the attorney put him on leave so he could trump up some charges against him that would justify firing him, which happens a lot in government. Bureaucracy is a great place for exercising petty grudges against people at no cost to yourself.

02 Dec 2012 07:09 PM
Ed Willy     

Ambivalence: My governing principle in life is to never do anything I'd be ashamed to admit to anyone.


And yet here you are on Fark

02 Dec 2012 07:10 PM
Soymilk     
$38.72 is cheap for an assistant City attorney.

02 Dec 2012 07:21 PM
MikeMc     
Full pay and benefits to do whatever I want all day? Count me in! Doesn't matter what's "on my record" as employers will almost always limit the information they divulge about you to dates of employment. Besides, she been on a six month paid vacation thus far with no firing in sight. This could go on indefinitely. Meanwhile she racks up paychecks and time towards pension benefits.

02 Dec 2012 07:22 PM
balisane     
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02 Dec 2012 07:28 PM
fusillade762    [TotalFark]  
This should be good. Anyone want to take wagers on whether this thread or the cyclist one above it will be bigger?

02 Dec 2012 07:30 PM
Head_Shot     

Ambivalence: Benevolent Misanthrope: Ambivalence: At least they're trying to challenge it. If it were me I woudln't exactly be hiring a lawyer asking "Why won't you let me work?"

So, you'd be okay with your boss suspending you and putting a major disciplinary action on your record with no explanation?

I am a very ethical person, the chances of me getting a major disciplinary action is slim. And if I did do wrong, I'd accept punishment for it. My governing principle in life is to never do anything I'd be ashamed to admit to anyone.


Over the years, I've learned this to be the best advice of all.

02 Dec 2012 07:30 PM
great_tigers     
LETS GIVE IT UP FOR BIG GOVERNMENT!!!

02 Dec 2012 07:37 PM
jmr61     

MikeMc: Full pay and benefits to do whatever I want all day? Count me in! Doesn't matter what's "on my record" as employers will almost always limit the information they divulge about you to dates of employment. ......



Which is of course generally true except when it makes the news that you got suspended from your job. You know, the whole Google thing?

02 Dec 2012 07:38 PM
meintx2001     
So, 2 people get paid suspensions, and only one needs to be replaced by a temp, at 1/3 the cost of both. Hmmm. Typical government financial waste.

02 Dec 2012 07:41 PM
dopekitty74     
While it would be nice to know why i was suspended, I wouldn't be complaining too hard about getting paid that to not work. Hell, you could go work ANOTHER job for something to do, then you'd have two incomes, or start your own small home business or something.

02 Dec 2012 07:41 PM
p51d007     
38.71 per hour for 2 employees.
Now take it to the ultimate level and you'll
see why this country is 16 trillion in debt!
Bloated wasteful government. Same thing with health care.
Too many "vice presidents" running around in 3,000.00 suits who have
no idea what they are doing.

02 Dec 2012 07:41 PM
MikeMc     

jmr61: MikeMc: Full pay and benefits to do whatever I want all day? Count me in! Doesn't matter what's "on my record" as employers will almost always limit the information they divulge about you to dates of employment. ......


Which is of course generally true except when it makes the news that you got suspended from your job. You know, the whole Google thing?


Suspended for what though? Nobody knows (including the people suspended).There's nothing in the article indicating the woman has ever done anything wrong. And how did the paper learn of this? Were they contacted by the suspended people?

I say let the suspension roll until they tell you what the complaint is and then follow the civil service procedures. shiat, she could be working a full-time job while she waits and making serious money.

02 Dec 2012 07:47 PM
great_tigers     

p51d007: 38.71 per hour for 2 employees.
Now take it to the ultimate level and you'll
see why this country is 16 trillion in debt!
Bloated wasteful government. Same thing with health care.
Too many "vice presidents" running around in 3,000.00 suits who have
no idea what they are doing.


And the employee's are complaining about it. Probably still have insurance and all other benefits as an employee.

02 Dec 2012 07:51 PM
Another Government Employee     

dopekitty74: While it would be nice to know why i was suspended, I wouldn't be complaining too hard about getting paid that to not work. Hell, you could go work ANOTHER job for something to do, then you'd have two incomes, or start your own small home business or something.


Uh, no. Most terms of suspension won't allow that. In fact, you usually have to check in to HR periodically for your paychecks to continue and any income made is offest against your wages.

02 Dec 2012 07:52 PM
ultraholland     
Benevolent Misanthrope: So, you'd be okay with your boss suspending you and putting a major disciplinary action on your record with no explanation?

If the checks kept rolling in indefinitely, yeah I'd be just fine with that.

02 Dec 2012 07:53 PM
ModernLuddite     
This actually happened to me. Sort of. I worked for a government, and was told to come by the boss's office before work one day. I get there, and a union arbitrator is there waiting for me going "what did you do?". I had no idea, and after a while they call me into a meeting room with lawyers, a cop, and the whole upper management of the government agency and have a serious talk with me, and put me on (unpaid) leave while they sort things out. But they never actually said what I did, or was suspected of doing, and the union guy looked like his head was going to explode because he had no idea what he was defending me from, or why.

I just quit and got another job.

fark the government.

//It was the most surreal moment of my life, I think.

02 Dec 2012 07:56 PM
MikeMc     

Another Government Employee: dopekitty74: While it would be nice to know why i was suspended, I wouldn't be complaining too hard about getting paid that to not work. Hell, you could go work ANOTHER job for something to do, then you'd have two incomes, or start your own small home business or something.

Uh, no. Most terms of suspension won't allow that. In fact, you usually have to check in to HR periodically for your paychecks to continue and any income made is offest against your wages.


Like they would even know.

02 Dec 2012 07:58 PM
SeedFreak    [TotalFark]  
I would be freakin hot as hell is I was suspended with or without pay and given no reason.

However, someone somewhere will be farked over because this story made it to Fark. The suspended worker will find out soon what happened and the suspender will find out what indefinite suspension sans pay and benefits feels like.

02 Dec 2012 08:04 PM
Salmon     
She should us this time to go back to school so she can get a real job

02 Dec 2012 08:04 PM
Ken VeryBigLiar     

Soymilk: $38.72 is cheap for an assistant City attorney.


As it's La Crosse they probably scraped some bottom of the barrel grad from Madison or the Twin Cities who will run in five years of dealing with pleading out all the white trash's DUI's and DV cases all day long.

02 Dec 2012 08:06 PM
Nick Nostril     
The American Dream.

/ your tax dollars at work

02 Dec 2012 08:07 PM
Another Government Employee     

MikeMc: Another Government Employee: dopekitty74: While it would be nice to know why i was suspended, I wouldn't be complaining too hard about getting paid that to not work. Hell, you could go work ANOTHER job for something to do, then you'd have two incomes, or start your own small home business or something.

Uh, no. Most terms of suspension won't allow that. In fact, you usually have to check in to HR periodically for your paychecks to continue and any income made is offest against your wages.

Like they would even know.


There are ways to find out. Trust me. Especially if you have a vengeful boss.

02 Dec 2012 08:13 PM
tonguedepressor     
Hmmm..Is that before or after taxes?

02 Dec 2012 08:15 PM
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