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02 Dec 2012 07:02 PM   |   6658 clicks   |   USA Today
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Bontesla     
This is a pretty good sign that some cities are moving toward greener forms of transportation.

02 Dec 2012 01:26 PM
ZAZ    [TotalFark]  
The reason for the new signals? Bicyclists can be at risk when entering an intersection on a yellow light that allows enough time for cars to clear the intersection, but not for bikes, the study found. Even traditional green lights may not allow enough time for a bicyclist starting from a stopped position to make it across.

You see a red bicycle and a green ball, what are you going to do? As the headline suggests, bicyclists are going to blow the red bicycle symbol and keep going until all the lights are red. And then 90% of them are going to keep going until there is actually a bus blocking the path. Judging by recent experience in Boston, 1% of them are going to keep going after that and have to be scraped off the wheels of the bus.

02 Dec 2012 02:31 PM
mr_a    [TotalFark]  
As usual, USA Today is a little behind the curve.

PDX Bike Traffic Light

And as ZAZ suggests, they have about the same compliance rate from cyclists as any other traffic light.

02 Dec 2012 02:57 PM
ZAZ    [TotalFark]  

The placebo effect at work:

Salem resident Joel Cleland, 39, rides his bike two miles to and from work each day. His route takes him past the new signal.
"It's a lot quicker and easier to make my way through that intersection now," Cleland said. "I've never waited more than 20 seconds for the new light to turn green."
The bicycle signal cost $1,000 to install in Salem, according to assistant city traffic manager Tony Martin.
The city did not install a new signal face, add sensors, and change timing to give bicyclists a faster green for $1,000. Probably not for $10,000.

02 Dec 2012 03:02 PM
ZAZ    [TotalFark]  
Because these signals are nonstandard they require federal DOT approval as an "experiment." To see what the cities have permission to do, go to http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/orsearch.as p and search on "Part 9 -- Traffic Control for Bicycle Facilities". Look for "Bike Signal Heads" in the search results.  There are links to request letters from cities and responses from FHWA.

The theory is, cities promise to test whether these signals do anything useful and report back. I'm suspicious because approval of pedestrian countdown timers was based on surveys saying pedestrians liked them, not on evidence that fewer people were flattened or fewer drivers had to honk at slow walkers. Bike signals will be standardized because they are symbolic of a city's support for bicyclists. Bike lanes next to parking lanes are also symbolic of being bike friendly, even if car doors knock a rider under a bus.  (Happened in Central Square, Cambridge, Mass. a few years ago.)

02 Dec 2012 04:49 PM
Tahs4Evar     
I saw a lovely example of why I hate cyclists recently. This was in Australia so most others will have to swap your left from right to understand. Sorry.

I was making a right hand turn into a side street, just as the light turned, just as I was about to turn I had to jam on my brakes as a cyclist riding his bike rode across the pedestrian crossing. Had I been paying less attention I would've cleaned him up, all I could do was honk my horn. The farker just pointed to the green pedestrian sign and continued.

In Australian laws, he was not a pedestrian, he was a vehicle. If I had been slower to spot him and knocked him off the bike the law was on my side, yet this arrogant farker decided to point to the pedestrian sign as if it was his right to be whatever the fark he decided he was. He didn't.

If you dis-mount and walk your bike, you are a pedestrian, otherwise you are a vehicle and must obey the road rules. Not decide you're suddenly a pedestrian as you ride your bike illegally from on footpath to another.

Arrogant farking douche-bag. This is why the motoring world hates your ass.

02 Dec 2012 05:45 PM
GAT_00     
Yeah, good luck getting bicyclists to pay attention to those. They don't pay attention to the lights in the first place, and you want to give them a smaller light to not notice? This will totally work.

02 Dec 2012 05:57 PM
Kit Fister     
Driving to work the other morning, I'm heading up an incredibly narrow lane. On one side is a county work truck working on power lines, hanging out into the road. On the other, a couple of cyclists riding tandem, blocking the road. As I approach, I expect to see them move over. Nope, they just keep taking up the road way. So, I start slowing to stop, but flash my lights hoping they'll get the idea. They still refused to move over. Worse, one of them flipped me the bird.

/shoulda hit 'em.

02 Dec 2012 05:57 PM
snocone    [TotalFark]  
Shirley, you're killing me.

/get some new douchbags

02 Dec 2012 07:06 PM
Bathia_Mapes    [TotalFark]  

mr_a: As usual, USA Today is a little behind the curve.

PDX Bike Traffic Light

And as ZAZ suggests, they have about the same compliance rate from cyclists as any other traffic light.


Yep. Eugene, Oregon got its first bicycle traffic signal in December, 2011.

02 Dec 2012 07:07 PM
whidbey     
Like this is some sort of big deal and we don't follow the laws to begin with.

But by all means, let's hear your anecdotal "evidence" about cyclists.

02 Dec 2012 07:07 PM
Day_Old_Dutchie     

Tahs4Evar: I saw a lovely example of why I hate cyclists recently. This was in Australia so most others will have to swap your left from right to understand. Sorry.

I was making a right hand turn into a side street, just as the light turned, just as I was about to turn I had to jam on my brakes as a cyclist riding his bike rode across the pedestrian crossing. Had I been paying less attention I would've cleaned him up, all I could do was honk my horn. The farker just pointed to the green pedestrian sign and continued.

In Australian laws, he was not a pedestrian, he was a vehicle. If I had been slower to spot him and knocked him off the bike the law was on my side, yet this arrogant farker decided to point to the pedestrian sign as if it was his right to be whatever the fark he decided he was. He didn't.

If you dis-mount and walk your bike, you are a pedestrian, otherwise you are a vehicle and must obey the road rules. Not decide you're suddenly a pedestrian as you ride your bike illegally from on footpath to another.

Arrogant farking douche-bag. This is why the motoring world hates your ass.


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Not all.

02 Dec 2012 07:10 PM
JohnAnnArbor    [TotalFark]  

whidbey: Like this is some sort of big deal and we don't follow the laws to begin with.

But by all means, let's hear your anecdotal "evidence" about cyclists.


Oh, some do. They're a conspicuous minority, though. Normal around here is to whip through 4-way stops without pause.

02 Dec 2012 07:11 PM
jshine     

Kit Fister: Driving to work the other morning, I'm heading up an incredibly narrow lane. On one side is a county work truck working on power lines, hanging out into the road. On the other, a couple of cyclists riding tandem, blocking the road. As I approach, I expect to see them move over. Nope, they just keep taking up the road way. So, I start slowing to stop, but flash my lights hoping they'll get the idea. They still refused to move over. Worse, one of them flipped me the bird.

/shoulda hit 'em.


Would be interesting to put it in neutral for a second (or just use the clutch) and gun the engine from a few feet behind them -- see if they spook and dive off the road.

02 Dec 2012 07:11 PM
mr_a    [TotalFark]  

whidbey: Like this is some sort of big deal and we don't follow the laws to begin with.

But by all means, let's hear your anecdotal "evidence" about cyclists.



OK, I'll play.


Portland cops write hundreds of tickets a day, but when they write up a few cyclists, it makes the news.

02 Dec 2012 07:12 PM
gingerjet     

Tahs4Evar: I saw a lovely example of why I hate cyclists recently. This was in Australia so most others will have to swap your left from right to understand. Sorry.


Its not good (nor legal in most areas) to drive with such hatred. Perhaps you need some exercise - ever thought of taking up cycling?

/if you are going to get so pissed off over a cyclist - you shouldn't be driving in the first place

02 Dec 2012 07:12 PM
stuhayes2010     
As a former bicyclist, as I remember it, I had to obey traffic lights without a need for special lights.

02 Dec 2012 07:13 PM
redly1     
Day_Old_Dutchie ......you sir.....thank you

02 Dec 2012 07:13 PM
whidbey     

JohnAnnArbor: whidbey: Like this is some sort of big deal and we don't follow the laws to begin with.

But by all means, let's hear your anecdotal "evidence" about cyclists.

Oh, some do. They're a conspicuous minority, though. Normal around here is to whip through 4-way stops without pause.


I guess it really does depend where you are. I have seen cops giving cyclists tickets on the Burke-Gilman out in Seattle, though. Maybe some of those stops along the Canal may have a light soon enough.

02 Dec 2012 07:13 PM
jaytkay     
Recently I met a Chicago DOT bicycle guy. They are installing two-way bike-only lanes on Dearborn in the Loop (the most high-traffic area in the city).

I have a hard time picturing it. But soon enough we will see if it works.

/ I bike more miles than I drive

02 Dec 2012 07:13 PM
Current Resident    [TotalFark]  
They signals are is common in Germany, Sweden and Australia, according to the study.

FTFTFA

02 Dec 2012 07:13 PM
HortusMatris     
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/cyclist haters gonna hate

02 Dec 2012 07:14 PM
megarian    [TotalFark]  

ZAZ: The reason for the new signals? Bicyclists can be at risk when entering an intersection on a yellow light that allows enough time for cars to clear the intersection, but not for bikes, the study found. Even traditional green lights may not allow enough time for a bicyclist starting from a stopped position to make it across.

You see a red bicycle and a green ball, what are you going to do? As the headline suggests, bicyclists are going to blow the red bicycle symbol and keep going until all the lights are red. And then 90% of them are going to keep going until there is actually a bus blocking the path. Judging by recent experience in Boston, 1% of them are going to keep going after that and have to be scraped off the wheels of the bus.


Boston + bicycles = accidents waiting to happen everywhere and all the time.

It's hard enough to drive there.

02 Dec 2012 07:15 PM
404 page not found     

whidbey: Like this is some sort of big deal and we don't follow the laws to begin with.

But by all means, let's hear your anecdotal "evidence" about cyclists.


I never really had an opinion on cyclists until I got into grad school and moved to Seattle. Actually, I take that back. I used to ride my beach cruiser quite a bit in San Diego. But here it's all about "wah! Share the road!" when they're on actual roads with cars and trucks and shiat. farkin' assholes on the Burke Gilman though. It's like they think pedestrians don't belong on it. "On your left! ON YOUR LEFT!" No shiat. Slow the fark down and share the trail, asshole.

/not calling you, whidbey, an asshole
//but you asked for anecdotal evidence

02 Dec 2012 07:16 PM
Great Janitor     
Got into a debate between a bicyclist and myself over the summer. He was on his high horse about how he was better than us car drivers and was above paying attention to stop signs and traffic lights, saying that since cars had better braking ability we should be the ones on the look out for them. I simply explained to him that if he had the red, I had the green, I was going and if he didn't stop and collided with me, then he'd be just as at fault for running the red as I would be if he had the green and I ran the red. Then I reminded him that my car is a tank compared to him on a bicycle, so he's more than welcome to continue running red lights and stop signs, I wasn't going to weep for any dumbass who died thinking that being on a bicycle exempted him from the same safety rules and cars, and was thus killed by his own stupidity.

He called me an uncaring bastard who needs to be more considerate of those I share the road with. And I am, both an uncaring bastard and someone who is considerate of those who I share the road with. We just need bicyclists like that dumbass to be considerate of the cars he shares the road with.

02 Dec 2012 07:20 PM
FatherChaos     
I can just hear it now...

"Hey, farkface! Didn't you see the sign was BICYCLE!?"

02 Dec 2012 07:20 PM
HortusMatris     

Bathia_Mapes: mr_a: As usual, USA Today is a little behind the curve.

PDX Bike Traffic Light

And as ZAZ suggests, they have about the same compliance rate from cyclists as any other traffic light.

Yep. Eugene, Oregon got its first bicycle traffic signal in December, 2011.


Yay Eugene! I this town! I haven't tried that traffic signal, but there are quite a few intersections that have bike sensors in the left-turn lanes, which makes navigating those intersections much safer for cyclists.

02 Dec 2012 07:21 PM
ISO15693     

HortusMatris: [t1.gstatic.com image 210x240]

/cyclist haters gonna hate


People who hate cyclists are often the same people who hate "breeders".

02 Dec 2012 07:22 PM
HortusMatris     
I *love* this town.

/dammit

02 Dec 2012 07:22 PM
ZeroPly     
Cyclist here, and I appreciate what they are trying to do....

I bought some Shimano SPD shoes a couple of years ago, and I've got the tension set pretty high, so it's very hard to unclip. Usually on red lights and stop signs I'll just cruise through rather than try to unclip, unless there's a big truck or something - in which case I'll hop onto the sidewalk and try to weave my way through the pedestrians.

If there was a signal that SUGGESTED I stop, rather than ORDERED me to like I was in the military or something, I would be much more likely to take it seriously.

02 Dec 2012 07:22 PM
iheartscotch     

Bontesla: This is a pretty good sign that some cities are moving toward greener forms of transportation.


Agreed ; the dirty hippies seem to be winning.

Fear not; for I run my fleet of 32 hummers constantly.

/ I also bathe in the blood of pandas

// I keed, I keed

02 Dec 2012 07:23 PM
AverageAmericanGuy    [TotalFark]  
The worst is when you're stuck behind a bicyclist on a 35mph road and he can't get up to speed because the incline is too steep. You'd think he'd pull over and get off and walk the bike up the hill, but instead he perseveres and inconveniences the 8 cars lined up behind him.

As per the law, I wait until it is clear to pass, then I lean on the horn as I pass him.

02 Dec 2012 07:24 PM
jaytkay     

Great Janitor: Got into a debate between a bicyclist and myself over the summer. He was on his high horse about how he was better than us car drivers and was above paying attention to stop signs and traffic lights, saying that since cars had better braking ability we should be the ones on the look out for them. I simply explained to him that if he had the red, I had the green, I was going and if he didn't stop and collided with me, then he'd be just as at fault for running the red as I would be if he had the green and I ran the red. Then I reminded him that my car is a tank compared to him on a bicycle, so he's more than welcome to continue running red lights and stop signs, I wasn't going to weep for any dumbass who died thinking that being on a bicycle exempted him from the same safety rules and cars, and was thus killed by his own stupidity.

He called me an uncaring bastard who needs to be more considerate of those I share the road with. And I am, both an uncaring bastard and someone who is considerate of those who I share the road with. We just need bicyclists like that dumbass to be considerate of the cars he shares the road with



Totally plausible

That sounds exactly like the average conversation on the street.

We believe you.

Really.

02 Dec 2012 07:26 PM
HortusMatris     

ISO15693: People who hate cyclists are often the same people who hate "breeders".


Does "breeders" include anyone who produces offspring, or only those who confuse vaginas with clown cars? Because if the former definition is used, then I guess that makes two strikes against me. Especially when I bike with my kids.

02 Dec 2012 07:26 PM
DreamyAltarBoy     

Current Resident: They signals are is be common in Germany, Sweden and Australia, according to the study.

FTFTFA

FY

02 Dec 2012 07:26 PM
BlippityBleep     
16 cities already? neat!

02 Dec 2012 07:27 PM
fusillade762    [TotalFark]  

HortusMatris: [t1.gstatic.com image 210x240]

/cyclist haters gonna hate


Yup. Cyclist threads get almost as ragey as tipping threads.

Should be fun.

02 Dec 2012 07:27 PM
ZeroPly     

AverageAmericanGuy: The worst is when you're stuck behind a bicyclist on a 35mph road and he can't get up to speed because the incline is too steep. You'd think he'd pull over and get off and walk the bike up the hill, but instead he perseveres and inconveniences the 8 cars lined up behind him.

As per the law, I wait until it is clear to pass, then I lean on the horn as I pass him.



Uhh.. yeah... if you're behind a cyclist on a 35mph flat road and he can "get up to speed", I'd really like to know who that is...

02 Dec 2012 07:27 PM
Repo Man     

Day_Old_Dutchie: Tahs4Evar: I saw a lovely example of why I hate cyclists recently. This was in Australia so most others will have to swap your left from right to understand. Sorry.

I was making a right hand turn into a side street, just as the light turned, just as I was about to turn I had to jam on my brakes as a cyclist riding his bike rode across the pedestrian crossing. Had I been paying less attention I would've cleaned him up, all I could do was honk my horn. The farker just pointed to the green pedestrian sign and continued.

In Australian laws, he was not a pedestrian, he was a vehicle. If I had been slower to spot him and knocked him off the bike the law was on my side, yet this arrogant farker decided to point to the pedestrian sign as if it was his right to be whatever the fark he decided he was. He didn't.

If you dis-mount and walk your bike, you are a pedestrian, otherwise you are a vehicle and must obey the road rules. Not decide you're suddenly a pedestrian as you ride your bike illegally from on footpath to another.

Arrogant farking douche-bag. This is why the motoring world hates your ass.

[img607.imageshack.us image 597x681]

Not all.


life could be oh so sweet if I were a bicycle seat

02 Dec 2012 07:28 PM
Great Janitor     

stuhayes2010: As a former bicyclist, as I remember it, I had to obey traffic lights without a need for special lights.


I got that lesson one night. I was on the left hand lane, 2 am, on a bike and damn near hit a cop head on. He explained to me that it didn't matter if I was on roller blades, a unicycle, a bicycle or a car, I had to be in the right hand lane, only left hand when walking. And only an idiot with a death wish blows through a stop sign or red light in anything less than a car. Only an idiot looking to hurt their self or others blows through a stop light or stop sign.

02 Dec 2012 07:28 PM
discount sushi     

Great Janitor: Got into a debate between a bicyclist and myself over the summer. He was on his high horse about how he was better than us car drivers and was above paying attention to stop signs and traffic lights, saying that since cars had better braking ability we should be the ones on the look out for them. I simply explained to him that if he had the red, I had the green, I was going and if he didn't stop and collided with me, then he'd be just as at fault for running the red as I would be if he had the green and I ran the red. Then I reminded him that my car is a tank compared to him on a bicycle, so he's more than welcome to continue running red lights and stop signs, I wasn't going to weep for any dumbass who died thinking that being on a bicycle exempted him from the same safety rules and cars, and was thus killed by his own stupidity.

He called me an uncaring bastard who needs to be more considerate of those I share the road with. And I am, both an uncaring bastard and someone who is considerate of those who I share the road with. We just need bicyclists like that dumbass to be considerate of the cars he shares the road with.


It's a two way street. I'd like to see more places institute Idaho stops. In DC there is a four way stop almost every block without a light on a lot of side streets and the hell if I'm going to waste the energy to stop at every single one when I can see there isn't a car coming in either direction. Also there are a bunch of idiot cyclists that weave through traffic and blow through intersections without looking when I'm driving. I stop at lights, I signal, all I expect is to not get harassed, tailgated, and cut off by people (and often buses) passing me just to turn right directly in front of me instead of waiting the two seconds for me to be past where they need to turn. My favorite is when this happens and I'm going the speed limit. I've realized that drivers just assume I'm slow moving because I'm on a bike.

02 Dec 2012 07:28 PM
BlippityBleep     

Kit Fister: Driving to work the other morning, I'm heading up an incredibly narrow lane. On one side is a county work truck working on power lines, hanging out into the road. On the other, a couple of cyclists riding tandem, blocking the road. As I approach, I expect to see them move over. Nope, they just keep taking up the road way. So, I start slowing to stop, but flash my lights hoping they'll get the idea. They still refused to move over. Worse, one of them flipped me the bird.

/shoulda hit 'em.


in lots of places the cyclists will get tickets for that douchebaggery.

02 Dec 2012 07:28 PM
Repo Man     

ZeroPly: Cyclist here, and I appreciate what they are trying to do....

I bought some Shimano SPD shoes a couple of years ago, and I've got the tension set pretty high, so it's very hard to unclip. Usually on red lights and stop signs I'll just cruise through rather than try to unclip, unless there's a big truck or something - in which case I'll hop onto the sidewalk and try to weave my way through the pedestrians.

If there was a signal that SUGGESTED I stop, rather than ORDERED me to like I was in the military or something, I would be much more likely to take it seriously.


Learn to do a track stand. It isn't that hard.

02 Dec 2012 07:30 PM
Great Janitor     

jaytkay: Great Janitor: Got into a debate between a bicyclist and myself over the summer. He was on his high horse about how he was better than us car drivers and was above paying attention to stop signs and traffic lights, saying that since cars had better braking ability we should be the ones on the look out for them. I simply explained to him that if he had the red, I had the green, I was going and if he didn't stop and collided with me, then he'd be just as at fault for running the red as I would be if he had the green and I ran the red. Then I reminded him that my car is a tank compared to him on a bicycle, so he's more than welcome to continue running red lights and stop signs, I wasn't going to weep for any dumbass who died thinking that being on a bicycle exempted him from the same safety rules and cars, and was thus killed by his own stupidity.

He called me an uncaring bastard who needs to be more considerate of those I share the road with. And I am, both an uncaring bastard and someone who is considerate of those who I share the road with. We just need bicyclists like that dumbass to be considerate of the cars he shares the road with


Totally plausible

That sounds exactly like the average conversation on the street.

We believe you.

Really.


former coworker

02 Dec 2012 07:30 PM
snocone    [TotalFark]  
I am an equal opportunity sorta guy.
In my car, I hate cycles. On my bike, I hate cars. Notice I ignor the human operators as much as possible and treat the objects as targets or obstacles.

/kinda like Fark

02 Dec 2012 07:31 PM
404 page not found     

ZeroPly: AverageAmericanGuy: The worst is when you're stuck behind a bicyclist on a 35mph road and he can't get up to speed because the incline is too steep. You'd think he'd pull over and get off and walk the bike up the hill, but instead he perseveres and inconveniences the 8 cars lined up behind him.

As per the law, I wait until it is clear to pass, then I lean on the horn as I pass him.


Uhh.. yeah... if you're behind a cyclist on a 35mph flat road and he can "get up to speed", I'd really like to know who that is...


It's your mom.

/because she's so fat.

02 Dec 2012 07:31 PM
falcon176     

Kit Fister: Driving to work the other morning, I'm heading up an incredibly narrow lane. On one side is a county work truck working on power lines, hanging out into the road. On the other, a couple of cyclists riding tandem, blocking the road. As I approach, I expect to see them move over. Nope, they just keep taking up the road way. So, I start slowing to stop, but flash my lights hoping they'll get the idea. They still refused to move over. Worse, one of them flipped me the bird.

/shoulda hit 'em.


that's cuz it's share the road with us but fark you if you want to get by

02 Dec 2012 07:33 PM
discount sushi     

Repo Man: ZeroPly: Cyclist here, and I appreciate what they are trying to do....

I bought some Shimano SPD shoes a couple of years ago, and I've got the tension set pretty high, so it's very hard to unclip. Usually on red lights and stop signs I'll just cruise through rather than try to unclip, unless there's a big truck or something - in which case I'll hop onto the sidewalk and try to weave my way through the pedestrians.

If there was a signal that SUGGESTED I stop, rather than ORDERED me to like I was in the military or something, I would be much more likely to take it seriously.

Learn to do a track stand. It isn't that hard.


Or just lower the spring tension on your pedals. It's high enough if you aren't accidentally clipping out from normal pedaling. Any higher and you're just asking to hurt yourself when you can't get clipped out and go down.

02 Dec 2012 07:34 PM
BobDeluxe     
Damn pit bulls!!!!

Oh, bicycles?

Sorry.

Damn cyclist!!!!

02 Dec 2012 07:36 PM
Farkengruven     
Don't hate all of us. Most of us would never dream of running a light or a sign. But it's OK to hate the idiots who do, but be warned. They drive their cars just as stupidly.

02 Dec 2012 07:37 PM
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