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   Strangest beat-down by police of a drunk homeless guy in Sarasota that you'll see all day

03 Dec 2012 10:56 AM   |   12733 clicks   |   WTSP
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SDRR     
What's strange about that?

03 Dec 2012 10:58 AM
the_chief     
Keep those cameras rolling, everyone!

03 Dec 2012 11:00 AM
Psychosus     
YES! I love it when my town is tagged on the first page!

03 Dec 2012 11:01 AM
MemeSlave     
How is it strange? That there were 2 separate beatdowns?

03 Dec 2012 11:01 AM
mgshamster     
The first part looked like a standard take-down. Then he was put on a bench. The second part he was slammed into the wall before being taken down again. I've seen police to that to people who are belligerent and they need to get the to stop struggling or getting away.

The only part that I would say was beyond necessity would be the second part, as they already had him in handcuffs and sitting on the bench. But because these are pictures, it's hard to tell what the homeless guy was doing.

Either way, it's not strange. Those were standard moves taught to the police.

03 Dec 2012 11:02 AM
Theaetetus     
This isn't the first time Sarasota Police have been caught on tape abusing a suspect. In 2009, an officer kicked a handcuffed man while he was down. And last August, an officer repeatedly punched a man in the face.

Both incidents resulted in costly lawsuits and now there's the possibility of yet another one.

"Obviously from the number of videos that are out, there is a video publication problem," says city commissioner Shannon Snyder. "The Chief of Police has told me that, not only will his officers start enforcing all laws against recording the police, they will begin actively seizing and destroying cameras, cell phones, or other recording devices. New technologies are being tested, including portable infrared emitters that will overload the cameras. We aim to extinguish the scourge of accountability within the next twelve months."

03 Dec 2012 11:03 AM
ChipNASA    [TotalFark]  
B-b-b-b-b-b-b-UT BOOTS!

03 Dec 2012 11:03 AM
fluffy2097     
You know, We would have fewer problems with this sort of behavior if we treated cops who did it the same way we would treat a black man who did the same thing.

03 Dec 2012 11:04 AM
BalugaJoe    [TotalFark]  
Was he wearing boots?

03 Dec 2012 11:04 AM
Mouser     

fluffy2097: You know, We would have fewer problems with this sort of behavior if we treated cops who did it the same way we would treat a black man who did the same thing.


The cop in question was a black man. Problem solved.

03 Dec 2012 11:06 AM
Theaetetus     

fluffy2097: You know, We would have fewer problems with this sort of behavior if we treated cops who did it the same way we would treat a black man who did the same thing.


www.wtsp.comView Full Size

Erm...

03 Dec 2012 11:07 AM
OnlyM3     
"Obviously from the number of videos that are out and the number of incidents that we've had-there is a training problem," says city commissioner Shannon Snyder.

Training program? WTF? How much 'training' does one need to know it's not right to abuse people?

If someone did this to a cop would this bit-h call it a "training problem' or would she be calling for jail?

03 Dec 2012 11:07 AM
skullkrusher     
well that certainly didn't appear justified

03 Dec 2012 11:07 AM
mgshamster     
I guess I missed that he wasn't even in handcuffs while he was sitting on the bench. Why they didn't put those on him while they had him pinned on the ground the first time is beyond me.

I would guess that the wall slam and subsequent second take-down was to get handcuffs on him. At first, it does look like they went a little too far, but it's hard to tell what the homeless guy was doing to warrant the second response. Perhaps he just tried to get up and run, and the officer grabbed his arm and used the guy's momentum to put him against the wall. Hell, I've done things like that (both in training and in real fights) and I'm not even a cop or anything resembling one.

/Cops should be filmed
/We need to be able to recognize when something is legitimately over the line, and when they are just cops doing what they should be doing.

03 Dec 2012 11:08 AM
Psycoholic_Slag     
If that was a white cop and a black guy the outrage would be epic.

03 Dec 2012 11:09 AM
fluffy2097     

Theaetetus: LOOK AT ME I'M MISSING THE POINT


And what do we do to a black civilian who's committed assault?

HE'S GOT A WALLET! SHOOT HIM 48 TIMES! DON'T FORGET TO RELOAD!

03 Dec 2012 11:09 AM
skullkrusher     

Theaetetus: fluffy2097: You know, We would have fewer problems with this sort of behavior if we treated cops who did it the same way we would treat a black man who did the same thing.

[www.wtsp.com image 640x360]
Erm...


Uncle Tom like policing detected

/got nuttin

03 Dec 2012 11:09 AM
cgraves67     
Ok, now I'm confused. Is it strange when cops beat homeless people or strange when cops are nice to homeless people? I'm getting mixed signals here.

03 Dec 2012 11:10 AM
ChipNASA    [TotalFark]  
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03 Dec 2012 11:10 AM
Jon iz teh kewl     
rape

03 Dec 2012 11:10 AM
fluffy2097     

OnlyM3:
If someone did this to a cop would this bit-h call it a "training problem' or would she be calling for jail?


The suspect in question would be shot dead. Don't kid yourself.

03 Dec 2012 11:10 AM
offmymeds     

fluffy2097: You know, We would have fewer problems with this sort of behavior if we treated cops who did it the same way we would treat a black man who did the same thing.


Huh?

03 Dec 2012 11:10 AM
cig-mkr     
From the same page
That's a man baby
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03 Dec 2012 11:13 AM
styckx     
I want to punch both news anchors and the reporter in the face.

03 Dec 2012 11:13 AM
dopirt     
Forget the homeless guy, did anyone see that long list of Fark-worthy stories below the mug shot of the notorious woman?

There's a whole afternoon of reading there.

03 Dec 2012 11:15 AM
furterfan     
the police officer is a hero..... obviously he didn't have the time or money to go shopping for boots, so he gives the only gift he can - a free pass into the Sue-The-Police-Department lottery.

when this currently-homeless guy is kicking back with his state funded compensation, he'll thank that officer

03 Dec 2012 11:17 AM
skullkrusher     

cig-mkr: From the same page
That's a man baby
[download.gannett.edgesuite.net image 360x480]


then I'm gay

03 Dec 2012 11:19 AM
Fark In The Duck    [TotalFark]  

cig-mkr: From the same page
That's a man baby
[download.gannett.edgesuite.net image 360x480]


Nah, not enough Adam's apple. Just rough around the edges.

03 Dec 2012 11:19 AM
Pitabred     

cgraves67: Ok, now I'm confused. Is it strange when cops beat homeless people or strange when cops are nice to homeless people? I'm getting mixed signals here.


The problem is your measuring stick. It's not whether it's strange or not, it's whether it's right or not. Good behavior needs to be reinforced as much as negative behavior needs to be called out.

03 Dec 2012 11:19 AM
offmymeds     

dopirt: Forget the homeless guy, did anyone see that long list of Fark-worthy stories below the mug shot of the notorious woman?

There's a whole afternoon of reading there.


And well into the evening with the 2012 Hooters International Swimsuit Pageant.

Link

03 Dec 2012 11:20 AM
DeathCipris     
Again, as someone else already stated upthread, we don't really know what is going on since these are just pictures. The photos just go from a police officer leaning over and what appears to be talking to the suspect and then the suspect being flung around by his arm.

03 Dec 2012 11:22 AM
mgshamster     
Oh, look. There's a video, too. Missed that (I seem to be missing a lot today). It's going to be a bad day if I'm already off to this kind of start.

So the homeless guy didn't run. Looks like the cop was trying to get him to stand up, and the guy wasn't moving fast enough. The cop used an arm bar to get him up, and ended up slamming him into the wall.

The news anchor is trying to make it look like the cop slammed him into the corner intentionally, but I doubt that's what happened. I'd believe that slamming the guy into the wall was what the cop had in mind, but not the "sharp corner" that the news anchor is talking about. You don't have that much control with an arm bar like that.

03 Dec 2012 11:22 AM
fruitloop    [TotalFark]  

mgshamster: The first part looked like a standard take-down. Then he was put on a bench. The second part he was slammed into the wall before being taken down again. I've seen police to that to people who are belligerent and they need to get the to stop struggling or getting away.

The only part that I would say was beyond necessity would be the second part, as they already had him in handcuffs and sitting on the bench. But because these are pictures, it's hard to tell what the homeless guy was doing.

Either way, it's not strange. Those were standard moves taught to the police.


It takes a few clicks to get to the video. He wasn't in cuffs on the bench.

03 Dec 2012 11:22 AM
mgshamster     

fruitloop: mgshamster: The first part looked like a standard take-down. Then he was put on a bench. The second part he was slammed into the wall before being taken down again. I've seen police to that to people who are belligerent and they need to get the to stop struggling or getting away.

The only part that I would say was beyond necessity would be the second part, as they already had him in handcuffs and sitting on the bench. But because these are pictures, it's hard to tell what the homeless guy was doing.

Either way, it's not strange. Those were standard moves taught to the police.

It takes a few clicks to get to the video. He wasn't in cuffs on the bench.


Thanks. I already caught that. :)

03 Dec 2012 11:24 AM
StoPPeRmobile     
Heroes!

I feel safer.

03 Dec 2012 11:25 AM
imtheonlylp     
FTFA: He says he's grateful for the gift, but he wants "a piece of the pie" because the photo was posted online "without permission."

step1: act poor
step2: receive welfare from concerned citizen
step3: fark that, i want moar, so you sue.
step4. profit.

03 Dec 2012 11:27 AM
imtheonlylp     
wrong thread. motherfarker.

/need moar coffeez plz.

03 Dec 2012 11:29 AM
cig-mkr     

Fark In The Duck: cig-mkr: From the same page
That's a man baby
[download.gannett.edgesuite.net image 360x480]

Nah, not enough Adam's apple. Just rough around the edges.


You mean she could be cleaned up?

03 Dec 2012 11:30 AM
NephilimNexus     
No money? No rights. It's the American way.

03 Dec 2012 11:31 AM
Cythraul     

cig-mkr: From the same page
That's a man baby
[download.gannett.edgesuite.net image 360x480]


She's got a lot of a particular kind of beauty.. the kind that you're born with that needs no type of artificial alteration or enhancement. Oh, what's the word?

03 Dec 2012 11:32 AM
I'm an excellent driver     
This is the same Sarasota Police Farce that arrested the homeless guy for "stealing utilities" by plugging a call phone into a park outlet a few weeks back, the Judge threw that one out. The problem is Sarasota has tried to gentrify the downtown area so all the rich old farts will come and spend an evening there (well, at least until 7pm, it is Florida after all). This makes it rich pickings for the bums who delight in visting the patrons of the sidewalk restuarants while they eat. Homeless people are a fact of life, but Sarasota needs a better solution than letting the Police act like degenerate Nazis.

03 Dec 2012 11:32 AM
spentshells     
it looks like he tried to run away then justice was served
but if being homeless was the crime did it have to be that way?

03 Dec 2012 11:35 AM
redmid17    [TotalFark]  

mgshamster: Oh, look. There's a video, too. Missed that (I seem to be missing a lot today). It's going to be a bad day if I'm already off to this kind of start.

So the homeless guy didn't run. Looks like the cop was trying to get him to stand up, and the guy wasn't moving fast enough. The cop used an arm bar to get him up, and ended up slamming him into the wall.

The news anchor is trying to make it look like the cop slammed him into the corner intentionally, but I doubt that's what happened. I'd believe that slamming the guy into the wall was what the cop had in mind, but not the "sharp corner" that the news anchor is talking about. You don't have that much control with an arm bar like that.


Did we watch the same video?

I wonder what the guy said to the first cop to make the cop take him down.

03 Dec 2012 11:40 AM
toetag     
Better training is needed. The cop is unfortunate that the "up against the wall" technique ended with the perps head against a corner and not a flat surface.

03 Dec 2012 11:42 AM
Louisiana_Sitar_Club     

OnlyM3: Training program? WTF? How much 'training' does one need to know it's not right to abuse people?


To a degree, the job attracts angry people with relatively low intelligence. The departments will reflect the pools that they hire from. They probably do need to be told.

Not that this is an excuse for the behavior, but a good number of them may not even realize that what they're doing is wrong. From their point of view, they're doing what they think any reasonable person would do in the same situation. They often think they're doing a good job when their reactions are more aggressive than what would be appropriate. I think that they honestly don't understand.

The next thing that someone might ask is, "Then why would they hire people like that?!?" I think the answer goes back to my original statement that it's the type of person who applies. Those folks want the job. As a reasonable and kind person, would you want that position? You can't hire people who don't apply. 

They're a lot like politicians in a way. Of course there are exceptions but most people who would want the job, by their nature, probably aren't fit for it.

03 Dec 2012 11:49 AM
Jumpedthefark     
Cythraul: cig-mkr: From the same page
That's a man baby
[download.gannett.edgesuite.net image 360x480]

She's got a lot of a particular kind of beauty.. the kind that you're born with that needs no type of artificial alteration or enhancement. Oh, what's the word?

Bird?

03 Dec 2012 12:01 PM
halfof33     

StoPPeRmobile: Heroes!

I feel safer.


Yeah, I got accosted by two "homeless" types last week, and one of the farkers went into a hotel and slit a guy's throat.

So fark the homeless.

03 Dec 2012 12:04 PM
GBB     

skullkrusher: well that certainly didn't appear justified


Quick, what's that phrase about appearances?? Something, something, "deceiving"...

03 Dec 2012 12:04 PM
StoPPeRmobile     

redmid17: mgshamster: Oh, look. There's a video, too. Missed that (I seem to be missing a lot today). It's going to be a bad day if I'm already off to this kind of start.

So the homeless guy didn't run. Looks like the cop was trying to get him to stand up, and the guy wasn't moving fast enough. The cop used an arm bar to get him up, and ended up slamming him into the wall.

The news anchor is trying to make it look like the cop slammed him into the corner intentionally, but I doubt that's what happened. I'd believe that slamming the guy into the wall was what the cop had in mind, but not the "sharp corner" that the news anchor is talking about. You don't have that much control with an arm bar like that.

Did we watch the same video?

I wonder what the guy said to the first cop to make the cop take him down.


That cops was taking him down no matter what. You don't posture like that unless you are going to back it up. Even if the guy stayed silent. That pisses some people off, the most.

03 Dec 2012 12:09 PM
skullkrusher     

GBB: skullkrusher: well that certainly didn't appear justified

Quick, what's that phrase about appearances?? Something, something, "deceiving"...


maybe - I didn't see the guy take a swing at the cop or spit on him or anything. Did you?

Gonna have to go with my lying eyes on this one unless I see or hear something to the contrary

03 Dec 2012 12:10 PM
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