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   On the 28th anniversary of the Bhopal gas tragedy, 350 tons of untreated toxic waste lay inside the abandoned Union Carbide plant, while 40,000 people live next to the factory

03 Dec 2012 09:07 PM   |   7853 clicks   |   The Hindu
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cman    [TotalFark]  
I have always wondered why the CEO was never sent to jail

Sooo many people died and criminal proceedings IMO were too little.

/I may be pro-business, but ultimately the captain is responsible for his ship

03 Dec 2012 08:32 PM
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MaudlinMutantMollusk    [TotalFark]  
Tell me how little or no regulation is a good thing again?

03 Dec 2012 08:48 PM
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Three Crooked Squirrels    [TotalFark]  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Tell me how little or no regulation is a good thing again?


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

03 Dec 2012 08:57 PM
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King Something    [TotalFark]  

cman: I have always wondered why the CEO was never sent to jail


$ome people are more equal than others.

03 Dec 2012 09:08 PM
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MrEricSir     

cman: I have always wondered why the CEO was never sent to jail


Heh, good one.

03 Dec 2012 09:08 PM
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Another Government Employee     

King Something: cman: I have always wondered why the CEO was never sent to jail

$ome people are more equal than others.


And others are expendable.

03 Dec 2012 09:10 PM
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Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom     
Why don't they move?

03 Dec 2012 09:10 PM
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jmr61     
Only 40,000?

They can afford that.

03 Dec 2012 09:10 PM
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vygramul    [TotalFark]  
Tell me again how corporations are persons.

03 Dec 2012 09:15 PM
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Jim_Callahan     

cman: I have always wondered why the CEO was never sent to jail


emotionally satisfying answer: because fat cats money wharrgarbl

actual answer: because the actual point of failure was local management, the buck stops at the actual guy that made the relevant appointments. Further, negligence doesn't tend to involve a lot of prison time, especially since in the case of a company suing it gives you money instead, i.e. helps you fix the problem.

//Note: helps you fix the problem if you don't live in a corrupt country where the money disappears before it gets anything useful. India and Louisiana need not apply.

03 Dec 2012 09:19 PM
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TWX     
Is the Sick tag for empathy for the situation, or for the residents actually getting ill?

vygramul: Tell me again how corporations are persons.


It's very simple actually. Corporations are people whenever it's better to be a person than a conceptual legal entity, and they're not persons whenever it's inconvenient to be a person.

So, when being a person gives more rights and helps avoid "corporate death penalty" in the form of a revoked charter they're people. Likewise for political donations. When it comes to holding them criminally liable, it's much harder to hold a corporation criminally liable because it's not a discrete person, and "the corporation" can be blamed without really being taken to account, and the officers and employees can avoid prosecution when "the corporation" takes the miniscule amount of blame that can be assigned to it.

03 Dec 2012 09:20 PM
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snocone    [TotalFark]  
They can get in line.
Still a few of us left that want to talk about the Agent Orange Dealeo and Dow.

03 Dec 2012 09:22 PM
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zerkalo     
www1.pictures.stylebistro.com

Looks ok to me


oh, not behati

03 Dec 2012 09:23 PM
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Bonanza Jellybean     
Maybe the Yes Men need to start straight-up capping fools, since these people obviously have no shame.

03 Dec 2012 09:23 PM
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iheartscotch    [TotalFark]  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Tell me how little or no regulation is a good thing again?


Some regulations are good; the lion's share? Loop-hole ridden; ineffectual garbage.

Monetary only penalties/fines don't hurt CEOs, they hurt the regular workers. Perhaps a night or two in the stocks for the CEO would improve things.

03 Dec 2012 09:24 PM
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Quantum Apostrophe     

Another Government Employee: King Something: cman: I have always wondered why the CEO was never sent to jail

$ome people are more equal than others.

And others are expendable poor.


There.

03 Dec 2012 09:24 PM
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Nothing To See Here     
And the coughing on the phone while I need Tech Support is very annoying.

Is it too much to ask to get Comcast to move a little further away ?

03 Dec 2012 09:27 PM
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Goetz     

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Why don't they move?

Here , Here.
Why don't they move?
If I were confronted with a disaster at my front courtyard I would move!
I wouldn't have any of that.
Ask my retainers if i am serious... and I assure I am.
They could move to Tahiti with me, couldn't they?
I, for one. would welcome them....as servants.
This is as it should be.

03 Dec 2012 09:28 PM
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davidphogan     
Is that like the Rupahl gas explosion?

03 Dec 2012 09:28 PM
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Goetz     

cman: I have always wondered why the CEO was never sent to jail

Sooo many people died and criminal proceedings IMO were too little.

/I may be pro-business, but ultimately the captain is responsible for his ship


No.
Pro-business Captain.
didn't they brief you?
Little people die.
You harvest.
Got it?

03 Dec 2012 09:32 PM
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assjuice     
On the bright side, a good revolting cocks song (or two) did come out of it.

03 Dec 2012 09:34 PM
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Hector Remarkable     
That free toxic waste could be re-purposed into valuable commodities, like toothpaste and children's toys.
There'd be enough money left over for a nice small sign memorializing the vindication of the victims through the adequate compensation of known relatives, and re-affirming the lack of culpability on the part of Union Carbide or its representatives.

03 Dec 2012 09:34 PM
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MaudlinMutantMollusk    [TotalFark]  

Goetz: cman: I have always wondered why the CEO was never sent to jail

Sooo many people died and criminal proceedings IMO were too little.

/I may be pro-business, but ultimately the captain is responsible for his ship

No.
Pro-business Captain.
didn't they brief you?
Little people die.
You harvest.
Got it?


The mistake they made was in not releasing enough gas to kill everyone outright

/dead men file no lawsuits

03 Dec 2012 09:35 PM
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Evil Canadian     

Jim_Callahan: cman: I have always wondered why the CEO was never sent to jail

emotionally satisfying answer: because fat cats money wharrgarbl

actual answer: because the actual point of failure was local management, the buck stops at the actual guy that made the relevant appointments. Further, negligence doesn't tend to involve a lot of prison time, especially since in the case of a company suing it gives you money instead, i.e. helps you fix the problem.

//Note: helps you fix the problem if you don't live in a corrupt country where the money disappears before it gets anything useful. India and Louisiana need not apply.


Not entirely - the local management was under strict money saving orders. Corporate management had built the plant too big for the actual demand for pesticide that the plant produced. Maintenance was a huge problem, and some "money saving" measures had been taken, for the sake of the budget, and proper scrubbing faciities were never built, and some safety measures were not built again part of the budget imposed from elsewhere.

My understanding is the cost of a dead Bhopal resident to the company was under $1,000. It really sucks particularly when somebody asks where in India my mom was born, the closest place with any name recognition is Bhopal. These folks are from near my Mom's hometown.

03 Dec 2012 09:36 PM
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Goetz     

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Goetz: cman: I have always wondered why the CEO was never sent to jail

Sooo many people died and criminal proceedings IMO were too little.

/I may be pro-business, but ultimately the captain is responsible for his ship

No.
Pro-business Captain.
didn't they brief you?
Little people die.
You harvest.
Got it?

The mistake they made was in not releasing enough gas to kill everyone outright

/dead men file no lawsuits


Aye.

03 Dec 2012 09:36 PM
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bubo_sibiricus     

03 Dec 2012 09:39 PM
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zerkalo     
Reported

03 Dec 2012 09:40 PM
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davidphogan     

vygramul: Tell me again how corporations are persons.


Well, you see, when two corporations love each other a lot they like to make little babby corporations. Because abortion is an abomination against God, supply side Jesus, and LLC's we nurture that corporation to life with a series of tax breaks, subsidiaries, spinoffs, and promotions.

If we're lucky that small family proprietorship can go up healthy, wealthy and wise, and spin off corporations of their own. This is what supply side Jesus meant by be fruitful and multiply. We have to watch their tax rates closely though, because if they're overtaxed they may end up going all Berkshire-Hathaway on us.

03 Dec 2012 09:40 PM
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MrHappyRotter     
Yes, Bhopal was bad. And yes, using all caps is literally a thousand times worse than Bhopal. But being ignorant, troll trigger happy and totally missing the point of a post is a million times worse than using all caps which is a thousand times worse than Bhopal. So basically, you morons are worse than Hitler.

03 Dec 2012 09:40 PM
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Harry Freakstorm    [TotalFark]  
"28 years is too long to wait for justice.

Uh, Justice called. It aint coming.

03 Dec 2012 09:42 PM
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heidinoele     
my brother works for the company that renamed itself after bhopal. they tell their workers it was the work of a disgruntled ex-employee. it is disgusting and he gets mad at me whenever i yell at him about it.

03 Dec 2012 09:43 PM
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whatshisname     
It's India. A few suitcases full of money to the state's chief minister and everything's fine.

03 Dec 2012 09:44 PM
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Fark Rye For Many Whores     
image.retrojunk.com

03 Dec 2012 09:44 PM
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Kuoxasar     
You can certainly lay some of the blame on Union Carbide but the government earned its share, too, and possibly the employees themselves. Union Carbide had warned the local authorities that the shantytowns around the plant should not be there, and that the plant needed a green belt. Well, it's India, so allocating free space in a city like that is extraordinarily difficult, and of course no one did it. It wasn't just that Union Carbide failed to educate people about what their plant was doing; the safety risks and procedures that the local authorities needed to know about, they didn't know about, and they didn't WANT to know about it. The government had Union Carbide do all its precursor synthesis at the same facility as part of the deal and that presents additional risks.

And then you had a miserable record of maintenence and training, where the flare wasn't working, and hell, the original cause of the accident was the addition of the water to the methyl isocyanate, which should never be remotely possible if a plant has its shiat together. There were other malfunctions but I don't remember them precisely.

Most people say this is the worst chemical engineering disaster ever, and I'm inclined to agree, but this was also a (painful) learning moment for developing industry in developing countries. Unlike, say, the BP disaster at Texas City, where pretty much everybody from the top of the company down knew what they were doing was stupid, stupid, stupid.

03 Dec 2012 09:45 PM
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devilskware     
Wait, this is in India? Don't they bathe in rivers full of turds and walk through turd lined streets to get to the river of turds? I just assumed they were immune to anything and everything.

03 Dec 2012 09:45 PM
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MrHappyRotter     
Everybody always focuses on the negative aspects of the accident at Bhopal, but nobody ever wants to talk about all the good things that came out of it.

03 Dec 2012 09:45 PM
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Godamnlimey    [TotalFark]  
farm9.staticflickr.com
Obligatory

03 Dec 2012 09:48 PM
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Mr. Shabooboo     
Let us not forget that they are brown people that worship dirty brown people Gods..They
don't matter nearly as much as a $3.00 quarterly dividend and bonuses paid to white people.

03 Dec 2012 09:50 PM
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Karac     

Jim_Callahan: cman: I have always wondered why the CEO was never sent to jail

emotionally satisfying answer: because fat cats money wharrgarbl

actual answer: because the actual point of failure was local management, the buck stops at the actual guy that made the relevant appointments. Further, negligence doesn't tend to involve a lot of prison time, especially since in the case of a company suing it gives you money instead, i.e. helps you fix the problem.


If the local management was the problem, then what accounts for the 26 years it took for 7 locals to be convicted?
But then, local management wasn't the problem. Union Carbide had known for years about the safety problems at the plant, including the very ones that caused the disaster. And their answer to these problems was to tell the locals to do nothing, cut costs at the plant, and then when things went to shiat they swore on a stack that there all the safety equipment had been installed and functioning.

My boss used to work for Union Carbide, until he wouldn't sign off on a welder he designed as being safe; he said it was going to electrocute someone into a grave. When they gave him a choice of putting his name down that it was OK to sell or taking a pink slip, he flipped them the bird. They came back to him six months later to try to figure out how to fix the problem - after it had already killed 5 people.

03 Dec 2012 09:53 PM
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E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease     
anyway, there's at least a billion more people where they came from

03 Dec 2012 09:54 PM
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IsNoGood     
few years back in Delhi I passed the ongoing sleep in against Union Carbide , its a small villages on the side walk, most countries denies citizens the rights to be angry in a passive way, not so in India

Btw Looks like money was paid but never dribbled down to the ones affected, that or the protest is now how they work.

Later that week the City was close down as all the 5 ( perhaps 6 ) main roads was block by the lowest cast the "gurtars" who was unhappy that another cast was going to be downgraded to lowest cast and therefore share the pool or granted gov jobs and free schools.

Went on for few days lots of dead persons middle of the roads

And that's that I guess

03 Dec 2012 09:56 PM
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MFAWG     
I'm too lazy to go find the clip, but I remember Newt Gingrich being very adamant that the US should become more like India in order to compete in the 21st century global economy in early 208.

I'll take a pass on that, because I remember this shiat like it was yesterday.

03 Dec 2012 09:57 PM
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Bit'O'Gristle     

cman: I have always wondered why the CEO was never sent to jail

Sooo many people died and criminal proceedings IMO were too little.

/I may be pro-business, but ultimately the captain is responsible for his ship


/That's why they have liability shields and can just run away without paying when they commit mass murder on this scale. I'm sure the millionaires on the board are ponying up the cash to pay for clean up and compensation for the victims. cough.

03 Dec 2012 09:57 PM
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Goetz     

MrHappyRotter: Everybody always focuses on the negative aspects of the accident at Bhopal, but nobody ever wants to talk about all the good things that came out of it.


I know that this is an insensitive and cruel troll.
But I must say, You sir....are an asshole of the first water.
Kali will hear your words.

03 Dec 2012 10:02 PM
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vudukungfu     
Union Carbide = British Petroleum.

But you don't care.
You don't give a flying fark.
As long as you got your shiat.

Now, if you went out and actually hunted down the evil cretins that gained from the gobberpuss that fed them profit, and got answers and published them, well, then hats off to you.
But you won't. You'll vote. And you'll wipe your hands on your Cheetos stained sweatpants, and ask mommy upstairs (or down) for some more microwaved pizza puffs.

And it will all be better.

03 Dec 2012 10:08 PM
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signaljammer     
bubo_sibiricus

Thank you for that, I found it superb.

//One thing about the Union Carbide CEO of that day:
//He didn't make a secret of his address.

03 Dec 2012 10:09 PM
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Goetz     

vudukungfu: Union Carbide = British Petroleum.

But you don't care.
You don't give a flying fark.
As long as you got your shiat.

Now, if you went out and actually hunted down the evil cretins that gained from the gobberpuss that fed them profit, and got answers and published them, well, then hats off to you.
But you won't. You'll vote. And you'll wipe your hands on your Cheetos stained sweatpants, and ask mommy upstairs (or down) for some more microwaved pizza puffs.

And it will all be better.


True, but don't discount their humanity until they disavow it.
They may still be human after all.

Namaste

03 Dec 2012 10:10 PM
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King Something    [TotalFark]  

vygramul: Tell me again how corporations are persons.


Like I said earlier, $ome people are more equal than others.

03 Dec 2012 10:13 PM
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vudukungfu     

Goetz:
They may still be human after all.


We're all human.
We all error.

It's the sine qua non of our existance.

Sucks.

03 Dec 2012 10:17 PM
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Feral_and_Preposterous     
So there's 700,000 pounds of toxic waste and 40,000 people living right next to it? Why don't the lazt farks each take 5 minutes and a bucket and pick up 17.5 pounds of waste, take it and dump it in the nearest river? Then put up some monkey bars and maybe grow some mushrooms or something... Stop acting like a bunch of cry-babies, damn.

03 Dec 2012 10:25 PM
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