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   You know that guy your grandpa gave half of his retirement savings to? Why'd he do that? Here comes the (brain) science

04 Dec 2012 04:23 PM   |   9507 clicks   |   NBC News
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Sybarite    [TotalFark]  
And for some reason facial hair is a cue to untrustworthiness

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Don't be a pussy. He seems legit.

04 Dec 2012 01:53 PM
moothemagiccow     
ugh, i work for one of these morons

04 Dec 2012 04:25 PM
ChipNASA    [TotalFark]  
ONIONS CAUSE ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE!

04 Dec 2012 04:26 PM
StreetlightInTheGhetto     

Sybarite: And for some reason facial hair is a cue to untrustworthiness

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Don't be a pussy. He seems legit.


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04 Dec 2012 04:29 PM
iheartscotch     
Old people are easy to scam; film of old people being scammed at 11.

04 Dec 2012 04:29 PM
jigger     
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04 Dec 2012 04:32 PM
moothemagiccow     

iheartscotch: Old people are easy to scam; film of old people being scammed at 11.



but why? It bothers me, and it's impossible to convince them that they're being taken, because they're old and that means they know better than you.

04 Dec 2012 04:33 PM
The One True TheDavid    [TotalFark]  
Why? Since when have blowjobs need to be explained?

04 Dec 2012 04:33 PM
Theaetetus     
I keep getting those scam robocalls on my cell phone for home security systems. However, once I get through the prompt, I don't even get the chance to string the scammer along with endless questions... as soon as I answer their opening "hello, how are you" with a "good, thanks," they immediately hang up. I figured it out the other day, and I think this article confirms it - they're looking for old people with wavering voices.

/which just confirms that every last one of them should be disemboweled with a spoon

04 Dec 2012 04:36 PM
Grapple     
Dammit Science... I'm tired and need to work tomorrow. Go jerk off in the bathroom, I can't take anymore "Here comes the science" today...

04 Dec 2012 04:36 PM
The more you eat the more you fart     

moothemagiccow: ugh, i work for one of these morons


Cool. You can either keep working for them, or find a job that doesnt help scam senior citizens.

Your call. Sleep tight.

04 Dec 2012 04:49 PM
Contents Under Pressure     
Try doing that with an elderly New Yorker.

Best vaccine against scams is to grow up in a city of scammers.

04 Dec 2012 04:49 PM
chi_tino     
My old man goes to the free lunches whenever he can, and he has an army of scammers calling him repeatedly to "invest" with them.

Old people like free stuff.

04 Dec 2012 04:55 PM
dr.zaeus     

moothemagiccow: ugh, i work for one of these morons


So, do you make the calls or go door-to-door looking for victims? Also, does your boss offer health care benefits or a 401K in the scam business.

04 Dec 2012 04:56 PM
ProfessorOhki     
In the younger adults, an area of the brain called the anterior insula was active when they were examining all the faces, but especially when looking at those with expressions or characteristics that people associate with being untrustworthy. This brain region did not activate nearly so much in the older people.

You think it's also the part of the brain responsible for the "maybe they won't want to read this e-mail" cue?

04 Dec 2012 04:58 PM
ProfessorOhki     

The more you eat the more you fart: moothemagiccow: ugh, i work for one of these morons

Cool. You can either keep working for them, or find a job that doesnt help scam senior citizens.

Your call. Sleep tight.


dr.zaeus: moothemagiccow: ugh, i work for one of these morons

So, do you make the calls or go door-to-door looking for victims? Also, does your boss offer health care benefits or a 401K in the scam business.


Perhaps he meant his boss is one of these easily scammed older folks? You know, the sort who have a dehumidifier in the office right next to the humidifier and the potted plant that improves the office's "chi?"

04 Dec 2012 04:59 PM
moothemagiccow     

The more you eat the more you fart: moothemagiccow: ugh, i work for one of these morons

Cool. You can either keep working for them, or find a job that doesnt help scam senior citizens.

Your call. Sleep tight.


No no, I work for the moron who keeps getting scammed!

04 Dec 2012 05:00 PM
Oznog     
Because after my dad passed away, mom had no experience making decisions with money or contractors. And proudly trotted into some decision-making. And took quite awhile to understand she could ask the kids for help- then frequently forgets that option.

After retirement, dad had gotten into "investing", and carried a baffling range of stocks. Mom understands that money buys gas and credit cards aren't worth it. She wasn't involved or interested in any of that, and when he died suddenly this stuff was just a frightening pile.

04 Dec 2012 05:00 PM
iheartscotch     

moothemagiccow: iheartscotch: Old people are easy to scam; film of old people being scammed at 11.


but why? It bothers me, and it's impossible to convince them that they're being taken, because they're old and that means they know better than you.


It's a combination of their trusting nature, a healthy scoop of loneliness, with a pinch of slick con-man and heaping helping of pride and independence.

In older couples; one or the other usually looks after the finaces; the other one usually doesn't deal with that. Thus they can't really manage money. Then their partner dies; and then they are stuck.

Plus, from their perspective; you are a young, inexperienced pup. Then, you factor in failing memory.

/ that's why old people are easy to scam; also, the majority of them don't really trust banks.

04 Dec 2012 05:09 PM
Old enough to know better     

iheartscotch: Old people are easy to scam; film of old people being scammed at 11.


Of course. Its the only thing that keeps FOX News in business.

04 Dec 2012 05:14 PM
ProfessorOhki     

iheartscotch: / that's why old people are easy to scam; also, the majority of them don't really trust banks.


You'd really think one or those or the other would be flipped, wouldn't you...

04 Dec 2012 05:14 PM
Quantum Apostrophe     
Because aging makes you smarter and better and wiser according to Farkers.

04 Dec 2012 05:17 PM
Guntram Shatterhand     
Could this also explain why a lot of Republican voters are older? I mean, it does make sense in an interesting way...

04 Dec 2012 05:20 PM
illannoyin     
You know that guy your grandpa gave half of his retirement savings to? Why'd he do that?

Love?

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04 Dec 2012 05:21 PM
Bacontastesgood     
For her next study, Taylor's team will study the brain responses of people during a real, in-person financial scam.

Yeah, I don't think they're using the word "REAL" correctly here. Either that or her funding is really bad.

04 Dec 2012 05:25 PM
Hagenhatesyouall     

Quantum Apostrophe: Because aging makes you smarter and better and wiser according to Farkers.


Seems more like aging just makes you fall for different scams then when you were young.

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04 Dec 2012 05:30 PM
This text is now purple     
Because he hates you, you miserable ingrate.

04 Dec 2012 05:37 PM
iheartscotch     

ProfessorOhki: iheartscotch: / that's why old people are easy to scam; also, the majority of them don't really trust banks.

You'd really think one or those or the other would be flipped, wouldn't you...


I'm actually not surprised at all; the old person in question or their parents lived through the Great Depression. A lot of banks folded; and a lot of people lost everything. That kind of traumatic experience is hard to forget.

Banks now are one of the safest investments you can make; mostly because the fed guarantees up to $250 thousand per account. But, try telling that to someone who lived through the Great Depression.

04 Dec 2012 05:43 PM
Source4leko     
You don't need to be old to fall for scams, my dad has been falling for them since before I was born. He apparently fell for the 1970's version of the Nigerian 419 scam, however that worked back then.

04 Dec 2012 05:43 PM
HaveBeerWillTravel     

iheartscotch: moothemagiccow: iheartscotch: Old people are easy to scam; film of old people being scammed at 11.


but why? It bothers me, and it's impossible to convince them that they're being taken, because they're old and that means they know better than you.

It's a combination of their trusting nature, a healthy scoop of loneliness, with a pinch of slick con-man and heaping helping of pride and independence.

In older couples; one or the other usually looks after the finaces; the other one usually doesn't deal with that. Thus they can't really manage money. Then their partner dies; and then they are stuck.

Plus, from their perspective; you are a young, inexperienced pup. Then, you factor in failing memory.

/ that's why old people are easy to scam; also, the majority of them don't really trust banks.


Thus my monthly phone call from Adult Protective Services explaining that ONCE AGAIN they are 100% sure that this stripper is ripping off some old guy but he's refusing the help, and is there anything I can do?

/Sigh.

04 Dec 2012 05:44 PM
To The Escape Zeppelin!     

Contents Under Pressure: Try doing that with an elderly New Yorker.

Best vaccine against scams is to grow up in a city of scammers.


I wish that was true. My grandmother is 90 and lives in the Bronx and was perfectly fine until a couple of months ago. Since then she got sucked into a scam switching customers from Con Ed, donated money to questionable charities, and won't let any of her kids look at her finances despite always having been ok with it before.

Even the most skeptical people get scammed when they grow old and aren't thinking clearly.

04 Dec 2012 05:58 PM
kg2095     

Guntram Shatterhand: Could this also explain why a lot of Republican voters are older? I mean, it does make sense in an interesting way...


Mean spirited people tend to vote authoritarian. I've noticed that the overwhelming majority of old people* I have come across are mean spirited - bigoted, spiteful, cranky etc. If that really is the case and not just my perception then I would expect the majority of old people to vote Republican.

* I can only think of one person I have ever known over the age of 80 who wasn't an asshole. It could be that I've just been unlucky I suppose.

04 Dec 2012 05:59 PM
iheartscotch     

HaveBeerWillTravel: iheartscotch: moothemagiccow: iheartscotch: Old people are easy to scam; film of old people being scammed at 11.


but why? It bothers me, and it's impossible to convince them that they're being taken, because they're old and that means they know better than you.

It's a combination of their trusting nature, a healthy scoop of loneliness, with a pinch of slick con-man and heaping helping of pride and independence.

In older couples; one or the other usually looks after the finaces; the other one usually doesn't deal with that. Thus they can't really manage money. Then their partner dies; and then they are stuck.

Plus, from their perspective; you are a young, inexperienced pup. Then, you factor in failing memory.

/ that's why old people are easy to scam; also, the majority of them don't really trust banks.

Thus my monthly phone call from Adult Protective Services explaining that ONCE AGAIN they are 100% sure that this stripper is ripping off some old guy but he's refusing the help, and is there anything I can do?

/Sigh.


Nope; they are consenting adults and as long as he doesn't ask for help; he won't get help.

/ Also, don't feel sorry for the guys that didn't get the stripper to go home with them. Feel sorry for the guy that actually managed to get the stripper to go home with him.

04 Dec 2012 06:00 PM
semiotix     
My grandpa lived to be 98 years old, and spent most of the his last four decades actively trying to cheat the IRS out of a few thousand dollars. For the first 20 years or so (I'm not kidding about this), his "I'm a simple old man and your newfangled mathematics are too complicated for me" schtick worked, insofar as it was never worth anyone's while to actually go after him. Eventually, when they did decide to get serious, he moved things into a complicated series of offshore accounts.

When he died, the Swiss bank account was still there. The Caymans bank account, too. (My mom was a little more jail-averse than he had been, so the IRS got its cut when she repatriated the money.) But it turns out you just can't trust Bermuda bankers. When the estate lawyer called them up and asked if perhaps they could please have the deceased's money sent to them, they pretty much just laughed and hung up.

So, basically, it's because in a moment of weakness, grandpa let his lifelong hatred of Americans overwhelm his lifelong fear of foreigners.

/miss you, grandpa!
//not particularly cool story bro, but you did ask

04 Dec 2012 06:00 PM
WordyGrrl    [TotalFark]  
After years of saying "I don't know what I'd ever use it for" regarding the internet, my dear 60-ish widowed mom has finally expressed an interest in getting online. Today, I just Fedexed her a sweet little notebook puter to get her started and now THIS article comes along. Perhaps I should email her a link to the comments here, just in case.

/She's actually a pretty good scam detector, but it's my job to worry.

04 Dec 2012 06:04 PM
ProfessorOhki     

kg2095: Guntram Shatterhand: Could this also explain why a lot of Republican voters are older? I mean, it does make sense in an interesting way...

Mean spirited people tend to vote authoritarian. I've noticed that the overwhelming majority of old people* I have come across are mean spirited - bigoted, spiteful, cranky etc. If that really is the case and not just my perception then I would expect the majority of old people to vote Republican.

* I can only think of one person I have ever known over the age of 80 who wasn't an asshole. It could be that I've just been unlucky I suppose.


It's not only that, but the Republicans in general are conservative - very "new things are scary." That's why half their rhetoric is based around "getting America back to X" nostalgia and "Protect the sanctity of Y" traditionalism. It's a perfect match for a voter for whom which the acknowledgment of a changing world means staring death in the eyes.

04 Dec 2012 06:05 PM
swahnhennessy     
My dad is heavily invested in a scam that promises to revolutionize computer imaging. They've been saying this for 15 years. I tried telling my dad that it was a bum deal, that any ideas they had when they started taking people's money years ago are very much obsolete now, and that their sales pitch has absolutely no details to it, just a lot of empty words that, to a person who knows nothing about computers, must sound pretty keen. I went on to tell him that they were or had been under investigation in numerous states, and that he needs to get out while he still can. He defended their honor like they were his son and I was some charlatan.

Screw him.

04 Dec 2012 06:08 PM
yourmomlovestetris     
One of the reasons I'm terrified of growing old. I'm a single, aging misfit, too sick to earn a large income, and my mind is pretty much all I've got. When it goes, I'll have absolutely nothing. I don't even have any crotchspawn (or nieces or nephews) to care for me. I'll have to go live out the rest of my days at the crooked nursing home Homer Simpson saw on 60 minutes.

On the bright side, at least I'll have nothing to steal so the scammers will leave me alone....'_'

04 Dec 2012 06:08 PM
cig-mkr     
Strange, I'm a little older and I don't trust anyone. The older I get the more cynical I get.
There ain't no free lunch.

04 Dec 2012 06:10 PM
ScotterOtter     
"they asked 119 people aged 55 to 84 to look at photographs of people's faces and rate them for trustworthiness"

Couple problems here. First, most are victims of mail or phone fraud. Second, people who are con-artists (in person) don't show visual cues of their deceit. Well, not the good ones anyways.

/Grandmother had 10+ years left of a TV Guide subscription when she passed away. All thanks to the Publisher's Clearinghouse con.

04 Dec 2012 06:11 PM
moothemagiccow     

kg2095: Guntram Shatterhand: Could this also explain why a lot of Republican voters are older? I mean, it does make sense in an interesting way...

Mean spirited people tend to vote authoritarian. I've noticed that the overwhelming majority of old people* I have come across are mean spirited - bigoted, spiteful, cranky etc. If that really is the case and not just my perception then I would expect the majority of old people to vote Republican.

* I can only think of one person I have ever known over the age of 80 who wasn't an asshole. It could be that I've just been unlucky I suppose.


assholes live longer. Theyre marked by selfishness and tenacity.

04 Dec 2012 06:11 PM
chewielouie     

iheartscotch: Old Greedy, stupid people are easy to scam; film of old greedy, stupid people being scammed at 11.


FTFY

04 Dec 2012 07:01 PM
Everyone Sucks But Me     
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04 Dec 2012 08:12 PM
Silverstaff     

Theaetetus: I keep getting those scam robocalls on my cell phone for home security systems. However, once I get through the prompt, I don't even get the chance to string the scammer along with endless questions... as soon as I answer their opening "hello, how are you" with a "good, thanks," they immediately hang up. I figured it out the other day, and I think this article confirms it - they're looking for old people with wavering voices.


I got one a couple of nights ago at work.

I am a police officer, I was on desk duty that night (the officer at the front desk if anybody from the public calls or walks in late at night). I get the robocall. It opens with an emphatic, almost panicked "Don't hang up!". I listen intently, since it might be something serious (we sometimes get people who call the station when they really should be calling 911, for some reason).

It then launches into the sales spiel. I'm somewhere between irritated and amused, and I know they are obvious scammers. Cold-calling robocall sales pretty much always are. After the recording, it asks if we'd like to speak to a sales representative, to just press 1.

I press 1. I'm a little bored at work, it was a slow night.

"Hello, my name is Kevin. How can I help you today?"

Slipping into my most authoritative "Officer" tone of voice: "Hello Kevin, this is Officer Silverstaff of the $CITY_NAME Police Department. Your company called our station tonight, so we thought we'd find out a little more about you. For example, what is your company name and where are you located?"

"Uh. . ." (Call Disconnects)

The caller ID had given an 800 number for the incoming number. I called the number back. It was out of service, obviously spoofed.

I shrug and go back to work. I made a note of it in the shift log that we got a cold-call robocall about an alarm scam, and when I told the operator he'd called a PD and asked for the name of his company and location he hung up. 

I figure we'll get some calls about their scam soon enough.

04 Dec 2012 08:17 PM
davidphogan     
It most likely has to do with that part of the brain that recognizes faces, and has been linked to why people are more likely to be racist. There's a part of the brain that has to do with specificially identifying faces, and it's been shown that seniors start showing more racist behavior when it starts going, most likely because it becomes more difficult to tell the difference between people who don't look like they do.

Wouldn't it make sense that as that part of the brain goes, one which is entirely dedicated to identifying people and directly correlated to deciding the level of trust to give someone, that maybe it could backfire in a reverse way and cause people to trust those who their brain thinks look like part of their tribe?

/still drawing a blank on the part of the brain i'm thinking of
//there's something amusing me that i can't remember the name of a part of the brain
///but, it still makes sense to me that if the part of the brain that differentiates faces for you malfunctions maybe you might trust people you otherwise wouldn't

04 Dec 2012 11:24 PM
crabsno termites     

cig-mkr: Strange, I'm a little older and I don't trust anyone. The older I get the more cynical I get.
There ain't no free lunch.


Me, too

05 Dec 2012 12:04 AM
crabsno termites     
(Ship foghorn sound) "Won't you let me take you on a sea cruise . . ." (pitch for "free" cruise to . . .). Once a week. Always listen.

/Love Frankie Ford.

05 Dec 2012 12:08 AM
Coming on a Bicycle     
'verbalize' ? Describe! Big words, Mr Journalist, big words.

05 Dec 2012 02:25 AM
Shyla     
My mom is totally going to be scammed one day, no matter how hard I try to prevent it. I am constantly catching her about to reply to scammers. For being 76, she is super sharp, and probably the most intelligent person I know. She does crossword puzzles like they are chld's play, can answer every question on Jeopardy regularly, and knows everything about history, war, geography, politics, religion, mythology, etc... This is what makes it so frustrating. Super intelligent but still wants me to check and see if that text message she got saying she won a $100 gift card is legit. When I tell her NONE of them are, she says "no this one is different, I really did enter a contest to win a Target gift card." She thinks every scam email is real, no matter how many times I tell her they are not. I set them to go to junk and get deleted instantly, she still gets a few though. She's been sending in an entry (and buying stuff) to Publisher's Clearing House (super scam!) for the SAME contest for about 2 years. Scammers call the house - my dad tells them to go eff themselves and hangs up. She will chat to them for 30 minutes.
This is like parents dreading the teenage years with their children. I dread the next decade or so trying to prevent her from losing everything she has.

05 Dec 2012 04:09 AM
lilbjorn     
This is exactly why I can't allow my father onto the internet.

/Too bad. All that pron would give him something to do

05 Dec 2012 09:52 AM
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