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05 Dec 2012 09:35 AM   |   2715 clicks   |   BBC
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Slaxl     
And the coolest crime is robbery

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05 Dec 2012 06:49 AM
maxalt     
In my house your "huge amount of courage" would be splattered all over the walls and I would sue your estate for the clean-up costs and anything else I could dream up.

05 Dec 2012 07:15 AM
kronicfeld    [TotalFark]  

maxalt: In my house your "huge amount of courage" would be splattered all over the walls and I would sue your estate for the clean-up costs and anything else I could dream up.


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05 Dec 2012 07:49 AM
Sybarite    [TotalFark]  
Less in England than say Texas.

05 Dec 2012 08:16 AM
notmtwain     
What's wrong with saying that it takes courage?

I challenge anyone who says it doesn't take courage to go do it.

Admit it. If there were no possible consequence, you would do it. Therefore, you are afraid of consequences and must be a coward.

Have a nice day.

05 Dec 2012 08:25 AM
Cythraul     

maxalt: In my house your "huge amount of courage" would be splattered all over the walls and I would sue your estate for the clean-up costs and anything else I could dream up.


That's why it takes a huge amount of 'courage.' A burglar could be killed by the owners of the home they are trying to burgle. But alas, I'm not sure 'courage' is the proper term here. Maybe desperation?

05 Dec 2012 08:27 AM
Snarfangel    [TotalFark]  
In his defense, the judge meant to say that burglary took a huge amount of Irish courage.

Oh, wait...

05 Dec 2012 08:59 AM
LarryDan43     
Courage, desperation. Same difference.

05 Dec 2012 09:37 AM
Mega Steve     
Repeat or followup?

05 Dec 2012 09:38 AM
ChipNASA     
Coming from someone who should know.....

It took a HUGE amount of courage to put that silly mop head on your noggin and than have your photograph taken in public.
WAF.

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05 Dec 2012 09:41 AM
probesport     
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05 Dec 2012 09:44 AM
gerrymander     

notmtwain: What's wrong with saying that it takes courage?


Only the entire context. It's not enough that a "courageous" person displays nerve, but must also do so in the face of knowing opposition. The nerve required to blindside someone -- as during a burglary, for example -- is a lower bar. It also has another word to describe it: "dastardly".

A burglar who phoned his intended victims up a day before and gave them time to prepare could be considered courageous -- and likely ineffectual.

05 Dec 2012 09:45 AM
cwolf20     
Who wouldn't want a little courage?

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05 Dec 2012 09:46 AM
joonyer     
Well, it does take a type of courage knowing you could get shot in the face over a flat screen, yet do it anyway. It also takes being a complete moron dickbag coward, too.

05 Dec 2012 09:46 AM
wellreadneck    [TotalFark]  

Cythraul: maxalt: In my house your "huge amount of courage" would be splattered all over the walls and I would sue your estate for the clean-up costs and anything else I could dream up.

That's why it takes a huge amount of 'courage.' A burglar could be killed by the owners of the home they are trying to burgle. But alas, I'm not sure 'courage' is the proper term here. Maybe desperation?


Maybe sangfroid?

05 Dec 2012 09:46 AM
eggi541     
Ok, so the story mentions that this comment alone is enough to shatter confidense in their legal system while completely overlooking the fact that the burgler is spared jail time... Hmmm, seems to me that England is extremely bassackwards in their thought process. 'Pillory the judge for making' this remark yet allow the criminal to go free. I know that a property owner will do more jail time than the burgler if there is a fight, but sheeze, are property owners required to cook the thief a meal and offer them a spare set of keys to the place?

05 Dec 2012 09:46 AM
oldfarthenry    [TotalFark]  

maxalt: In my house your "huge amount of courage" would be splattered all over the walls and I would sue your estate for the clean-up costs and anything else I could dream up.


Be honest - you were doing curls with a 15 lb. free-weight while typing that - weren't you?

05 Dec 2012 09:47 AM
Litig8r     
"We have been the cowards. Lobbing cruise missiles from two thousand miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building. Say what you want about it. Not cowardly."

05 Dec 2012 09:47 AM
ChipNASA     

oldfarthenry: maxalt: In my house your "huge amount of courage" would be splattered all over the walls and I would sue your estate for the clean-up costs and anything else I could dream up.

Be honest - you were doing curls with a 15 lb. free-weight while typing that - weren't you?


With his PENIS!!

05 Dec 2012 09:48 AM
loki see loki do     
With all due respect Litig8r ; )

"We have been the cowardssmart. Lobbing cruise missiles from two thousand miles away. That's cowardlysmart. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building. Say what you want about it. Not cowardlysmart."

05 Dec 2012 09:50 AM
beta_plus     
But burglary hurts rich people, so that makes it OK.

05 Dec 2012 09:50 AM
miniflea     
His statement that prison doesn't do criminals much good may even be true. Of course, we don't put them there for their benefit but for ours.

05 Dec 2012 09:50 AM
oldfarthenry    [TotalFark]  
I love the term "burgled". It makes robbery sound sexy.

05 Dec 2012 09:51 AM
doglover    [TotalFark]  

beta_plus: But burglary hurts rich people, so that makes it OK.


No, only robbery is acceptable. Robin' Hood isn't named "Robin" it was just his job description.

05 Dec 2012 09:53 AM
had98c     
courage - mental or moral strength to venture, persevere, and withstand danger, fear, or difficulty (according to m-w.com).

I'd say a burglar fits that definition (the mental strength, obviously not the moral, but it says OR).

The problem is that people seem to only want to assign courage to people doing good things. In the same manner that people assign cowardice to bad actions that aren't in fact cowardice. It just makes them feel smugly superior to assign that designation to actions they don't like.

05 Dec 2012 09:53 AM
Millennium     
There's only one letter different between guts and nuts.

05 Dec 2012 09:54 AM
mark12A     
It took a HUGE amount of courage to put that silly mop head on your noggin and than have your photograph taken in public.
WAF.


Ya, those wigs weird me the fark out. They get bigger the higher up you go in the judiciary. The Brits are the Kings of fancy dress. Uniforms and outfits for every occasion. I'd be in big trouble in a British court. I simply wouldn't take them seriously. It'd be like I was in a movie or something.

As for the British intelligensia and political class betraying Britian, the judges attitude plays right along. Refuse to uphold traditional law, the people get more desparate and accept still more government control and tracking as a false hope. "If only people weren't free to drive anywhere they want, then we could control the movement of burglars better. Burglars can grab stuff and put it away in their cars and drive away. This couldn't happen if they had to carry the stolen goods onto a bus. THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO GET RID OF CARS AND PUT EVERYBODY IN GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED MASS TRANSIT"

/And anybody who doesn't put a telescreen in their house for the governemnt to watch their stuff while they're gone, deserves to get ripped off.

05 Dec 2012 09:54 AM
ominousinc     

ChipNASA: oldfarthenry: maxalt: In my house your "huge amount of courage" would be splattered all over the walls and I would sue your estate for the clean-up costs and anything else I could dream up.

Be honest - you were doing curls with a 15 lb. free-weight while typing that - weren't you?

With his PENIS!!


In his American flag printed zubaz!

05 Dec 2012 09:56 AM
Slaxl     

mark12A: It took a HUGE amount of courage to put that silly mop head on your noggin and than have your photograph taken in public.
WAF.

Ya, those wigs weird me the fark out. They get bigger the higher up you go in the judiciary. The Brits are the Kings of fancy dress. Uniforms and outfits for every occasion. I'd be in big trouble in a British court. I simply wouldn't take them seriously. It'd be like I was in a movie or something.


It's just a tradition that has continued since wearing big puffy wigs like that was fashionable in the 17th/18th century. How can anyone object to that? It's like a living piece of history, a real connection to the past, that's awesome in my book. No matter how small the piece is, or how stupid the thing underneath it is.

05 Dec 2012 09:57 AM
Phil Moskowitz     
Considering it's an English Judge, they probably thought he said "buggery".

05 Dec 2012 10:05 AM
kbronsito    [TotalFark]  
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. Thessalonians 5:2

Burglary is God-like

05 Dec 2012 10:08 AM
Xenomech     
Good god, people are farking stupid. Of course burglary takes courage. You just don't say it because there are too many stupid people in the world who can't reason properly and will think you mean that burglary is, in some way, good. 

That's why the judge was reprimanded: there are many very stupid people out there, and using the word "courage" to describe something that is not also virtuous sounds bad to them and would make the judge -- and, by extension, the entire court system -- look bad to those stupid people.

05 Dec 2012 10:16 AM
JuggleGeek     
What courage? The idiot you are making into a hero breaks into a house when nobody is home. He does it in England, where the homeowner isn't allowed to own a gun, and wouldn't be allowed to do a damn thing even if he did catch the burglar. And when he does happen to get caught and arrested, the farking judge won't even lock him up.

That sounds like "Commit all the crimes you want, there is no risk". I can't see why any courage is needed.

notmtwain: Admit it. If there were no possible consequence, you would do it. Therefore, you are afraid of consequences and must be a coward.


I'm sure this will shock you, because you sound like a dishonest scumbag at heart, but some of us are honest.

05 Dec 2012 10:20 AM
Onkel Buck     
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05 Dec 2012 10:23 AM
RidgeRunner5     

gerrymander: notmtwain: What's wrong with saying that it takes courage?

Only the entire context. It's not enough that a "courageous" person displays nerve, but must also do so in the face of knowing opposition. The nerve required to blindside someone -- as during a burglary, for example -- is a lower bar. It also has another word to describe it: "dastardly".

A burglar who phoned his intended victims up a day before and gave them time to prepare could be considered courageous -- and likely ineffectual.


Opposition is illegal in the UK. It's not hard to find examples where homeowners have defended themselves and their property against criminals, only for those same crooks to take them to court for injuries sustained, and win.

05 Dec 2012 10:24 AM
royone     

had98c: courage - mental or moral strength to venture, persevere, and withstand danger, fear, or difficulty (according to m-w.com).


It takes a huge amount of courage to steal stuff when no one's around?
Danger: whar?
Fear: of what, being alone?
Difficulty: how hard is it to smash'n'grab?

Burglars are doing it because it's easy, not because it's a great challenge.

05 Dec 2012 10:24 AM
ExcaliburPrime111     
This particular Judge is a tosser, completely deluded, and quite frankly should not sit on the bench. While I have no idea what the details are in the burglary case, calling a criminal's actions "courageous" is idiotic on its face. Giving a burglar a suspended jail sentence, also seems quite inappropriate, but again, we don't have the full details.

This is what happens when you guarantee judicial independence and give them a lifetime posting. I understand the benefits of judicial independence to society, but every now and then you get a tosser like this.

/Tosser!

05 Dec 2012 10:35 AM
Litig8r     

loki see loki do: With all due respect Litig8r ; )

"We have been the cowardssmart. Lobbing cruise missiles from two thousand miles away. That's cowardlysmart. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building. Say what you want about it. Not cowardlysmart."


Oh, I'm with you on that, I just couldn't resist the Maher quote.

I also wonder, within the context of religiously motivated suicide attacks, whether you can really even apply the concept or courage or cowardice. I mean, if you're religiously motivated enough to kill yourself for a cause, it's likely that you truly believe in salvation or some reward for your actions -- so when you kill yourself in the process of advancing your cause, you're not showing the same sort of courage as someone who doesn't believe in a reward/afterlife, etc.

05 Dec 2012 10:46 AM
BraveNewCheneyWorld     

Litig8r: you're not showing the same sort of courage as someone who doesn't believe in a reward/afterlife, etc.


Um.. no. Atheists believe that you're exactly the same after death as you were before you were born. Unless you're terrified of losing conscious for many hours each night while you sleep, death should be no more scary. It's the theists that should be more afraid, as their belief system has the possibility that the afterlife might be unpleasant.

05 Dec 2012 11:00 AM
The One True TheDavid     
notmtwain:

What's wrong with saying that it takes courage?

I challenge anyone who says it doesn't take courage to go do it.


Break into some redneck's house to steal his rebel-flag-stickered TV? You could get shot doing that: it's much easier to rob a bank.


Admit it. If there were no possible consequence, you would do it.

Actually if there were no possible consequences it wouldn't be a crime, technically speaking: it's the threat of retribution that separates licit from illict, not the nature of the act itself. E.g., chimpanzees also engage in "prostitution," i.e. the exchange of tat for tit, so it's perfectly natural behavior that only our species (and only certain parts of it) make an issue of; and then only to regulate the behavior of weaker members of society, i.e. to push people around for not being rich & powerful. (Who thinks people who were born in DC supply most of the customers for the city's escort services?) It's the desire to keep what's mine while getting your stuff from you that separates "stuff" into "property" in the first place: if everybody knows there's enough to go around and that it's equitably shared there's no reason to take your stuff.


Therefore, you are afraid of consequences and must be a coward.

I'm not going in some redneck's house to steal his iPad.


Have a nice day.

Wa `alaykumu s-salām.

05 Dec 2012 11:05 AM
The One True TheDavid     

oldfarthenry: maxalt:

In my house your "huge amount of courage" would be splattered all over the walls and I would sue your estate for the clean-up costs and anything else I could dream up.

Be honest - you were doing curls with a 15 lb. free-weight while typing that - weren't you?


Only 15 pounds? I can do that and I'm a puny egghead.

05 Dec 2012 11:07 AM
The One True TheDavid     
had98c:

courage - mental or moral strength to venture, persevere, and withstand danger, fear, or difficulty (according to m-w.com).

I'd say a burglar fits that definition (the mental strength, obviously not the moral, but it says OR).

The problem is that people seem to only want to assign courage to people doing good things. In the same manner that people assign cowardice to bad actions that aren't in fact cowardice. It just makes them feel smugly superior to assign that designation to actions they don't like.


You've read Nietzsche too, haven't you.

05 Dec 2012 11:09 AM
bifford     
Criminals do tend to have lower levels of fear and anxiety than the general population. It's part of the reason why they keep getting themselves in trouble. Of course, the word "courage" has too good a ring to it. It's better to use the word "poor awareness of the potential consequences of their actions". In the same vein, you cannot call them "resilient", you must say "failure to alter behavior in response to punishment and traumatic experience."

05 Dec 2012 11:20 AM
had98c     

The One True TheDavid: had98c:

courage - mental or moral strength to venture, persevere, and withstand danger, fear, or difficulty (according to m-w.com).

I'd say a burglar fits that definition (the mental strength, obviously not the moral, but it says OR).

The problem is that people seem to only want to assign courage to people doing good things. In the same manner that people assign cowardice to bad actions that aren't in fact cowardice. It just makes them feel smugly superior to assign that designation to actions they don't like.

You've read Nietzsche too, haven't you.


Actually I've never read anything by Nietzsche. But from what I've heard about him, his philosophy and mine do match up pretty well.

05 Dec 2012 11:27 AM
Too_many_Brians     

gerrymander: notmtwain: What's wrong with saying that it takes courage?



A burglar who phoned his intended victims up a day before and gave them time to prepare could be considered courageous -- and likely ineffectual.


I think I know someone who begs to differ. 
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05 Dec 2012 11:28 AM
Frantic Freddie     
There's a fine line between courage & stupidity.

There are no IQ tests for criminals.

05 Dec 2012 11:34 AM
Snarfangel    [TotalFark]  

Frantic Freddie: There's a fine line between courage & stupidity.

There are no IQ tests for criminals.


Unless your house has a hedge maze. 

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Look at all of those dumb burglars.

05 Dec 2012 11:38 AM
gshepnyc     

notmtwain: What's wrong with saying that it takes courage?

I challenge anyone who says it doesn't take courage to go do it.

Admit it. If there were no possible consequence, you would do it. Therefore, you are afraid of consequences and must be a coward.

Have a nice day.


That's not a logical conclusion at all. I'm afraid of the consequences of running across a busy Boulevard when the "Don't Walk" sign is flashing. That doesn't make me a coward. It makes not a fool.

05 Dec 2012 12:02 PM
gshepnyc     

gshepnyc: notmtwain: What's wrong with saying that it takes courage?

I challenge anyone who says it doesn't take courage to go do it.

Admit it. If there were no possible consequence, you would do it. Therefore, you are afraid of consequences and must be a coward.

Have a nice day.

That's not a logical conclusion at all. I'm afraid of the consequences of running across a busy Boulevard when the "Don't Walk" sign is flashing. That doesn't make me a coward. It makes me not a fool.


Ugh. FTFM

05 Dec 2012 12:03 PM
gerrymander     

Too_many_Brians: gerrymander: notmtwain: What's wrong with saying that it takes courage?



A burglar who phoned his intended victims up a day before and gave them time to prepare could be considered courageous -- and likely ineffectual.

I think I know someone who begs to differ. 
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If Thomas Crowne wanted my TV and promised the full "Son of Man" routine, he could have it. The clowns in the article, not so much.

05 Dec 2012 12:19 PM
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