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bwilson27    [TotalFark]  
I've heard about this before somewhere....

06 Dec 2012 10:39 AM
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sodomizer     
Murder isn't a moral choice, it's a disease.

Same with alcoholism, drug abuse, stupidity and anything else that makes you less than an equal customer.

You're the victim.

You deserve pity, and probably a fat government check.

06 Dec 2012 10:40 AM
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Taylor Mental     
You are Eligible Too.

I once read a report from some FBI analyst that said 65% of all homicides involving guns are the result of the victim basically daring the perp to shoot him.

/an hero

06 Dec 2012 10:43 AM
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pkellmey     
Back in the 70s, the local police were able to pretty accurately predict high crime area rates based on the economy going up or down. That same model is still holding pretty true, just adjusted for where the population spots in the area have increased or decreased over time. Being able to narrow it down to particular types of crime would be a pretty interesting improvement.

06 Dec 2012 10:46 AM
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Richard Freckle    [TotalFark]  
All the trimmings that go with the tasty meal of economic despair. Now figure out how to get people to strive, and more importantly, the impossible task of leveling the playing field. It wouldn't hurt to teach people how to experience the world outside of their own personal experiences so that they can understand others strife, gonads.

After that maybe we can recognize mental illness as a community and get those people help.

Maybe we should all just be issued tasers.

06 Dec 2012 10:47 AM
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Big Man On Campus     
I knew obamacare was useful somehow.

06 Dec 2012 10:52 AM
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twiztedjustin     
i.imgur.com

06 Dec 2012 10:54 AM
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stuffy     
Muuuuuhahaha!

06 Dec 2012 10:55 AM
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kbronsito    [TotalFark]  
Has anyone ever noticed how there's not minorities in Minority Report?

06 Dec 2012 10:56 AM
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Retard Wrangler     

kbronsito: Has anyone ever noticed how there's not minorities in Minority Report?


Well yeah, they figured out where the majority of the crime came from and locked them up.

06 Dec 2012 11:07 AM
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PirateKing     

kbronsito: Has anyone ever noticed how there's not minorities in Minority Report?


There's the asian guy Tom Cruise gets the replacement eyeballs from... Although he's just a name.

06 Dec 2012 11:12 AM
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t3knomanser     
I remember reading Hari Seldon's paper on this...

06 Dec 2012 11:34 AM
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CygnusDarius     
Murder is a disease.

And, like all diseases, it spreads. I see it all around me: I see men glorifying murder in videogames, I see women instigating murder with their lustful eyes and sinful bodies. I see their filth, and then I look at me: Tarnished, and dirty. But God has spoken to me. Even a lowly sinner as I am, He called my name and gave me a mission, to cleanse murder from their bodies, and to bring them to His flock.

Sure, it's no easy task, speaking to these people. The drug addicts, the drunks, the whores, all dirty, sinful, and murderous. That is why you need to to put them in a place so they can focus on our conversation. My cellar is best. It's also sound-proof, so they are not distracted by any noises from the outside. I talk to them, very sternly, but yet they still resist. And then, when all else fails, I cleanse their sinful and bloody bodies in hallowed flame, and I rejoice, for in their screams they repent, and I see their souls joyfully go to God's grace, and I cry tears of joy, and God rewards me with a climax, and a job well done.

For you see, murder is disease. And I am the cure.

/creepypasta much, right?

06 Dec 2012 11:41 AM
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CygnusDarius     
Ok, maybe I overdid it too much, and honestly, it scares me O.O.

06 Dec 2012 11:42 AM
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StrangeQ     

sodomizer: Murder isn't a moral choice, it's a disease.

Same with alcoholism, drug abuse, stupidity and anything else that makes you less than an equal customer.

You're the victim.

You deserve pity, and probably a fat government check.


That's not what this is saying at all, nice try though.

What they are doing is taking a modeling technique used for the study of one natural process and seeing if it can be applied to another.

It is similar to applying a statistical analysis to traffic patterns. As an individual driver you have a unique start point and destination and you may not think it plays a part in any statistical trend. But if one were to look at your car as just one among the thousands that may pass through a particular section of town during a portion of the day, predictions could be made about how many may take a particular exit or how changing a traffic signal may affect the overall traffic flow.

And that's what they're doing here. It has absolutely nothing to do with excusing people from their actions. They are examining trends and looking for correlations that appear to be influencing them.

06 Dec 2012 12:07 PM
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kungfu jesus with a side of lime     
do I want to choose Choosey or Candy?

06 Dec 2012 12:13 PM
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DontMakeMeComeBackThere     
If you shave the corners off the square peg, it will fit through the round hole...but that doesn't make it a round peg.

06 Dec 2012 12:13 PM
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karlandtanya     
Third time I've seen this in 24 hours.
I think somebody at NPR was reading slashdot yesterday.

06 Dec 2012 12:16 PM
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Clemkadidlefark     
Short answer ... no.

06 Dec 2012 12:23 PM
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trippdogg     

Clemkadidlefark: Short answer ... no.


Long answer... fark no.

06 Dec 2012 12:29 PM
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Tatterdemalian     
Pre-cogs will never be a reality.

They are, however, one of the world's oldest and most well-developed con games.

/lots of people have been killed for beliefs that have nothing to do with reality
//looks like the left is hoping to add a few million more to their body count again

06 Dec 2012 12:46 PM
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Fano    [TotalFark]  
Well, well, well, sounds like Chairman Yang will have his Self-Aware Colony after all.

06 Dec 2012 01:01 PM
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ciberido    [TotalFark]  

sodomizer: Murder isn't a moral choice, it's a disease.

Same with alcoholism, drug abuse, stupidity and anything else that makes you less than an equal customer.

You're the victim.

You deserve pity, and probably a fat government check.


See, some of us care more about results than vengeance (sorry, "justice").

I'd rather there were fewer murders than we got to feel self-righteous about how much we made the few murderers we caught suffer. 

But please, by all means, enjoy your smugness. Just don't get injured climbing off your high horse.

06 Dec 2012 02:14 PM
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gshepnyc     

sodomizer: Murder isn't a moral choice, it's a disease.

Same with alcoholism, drug abuse, stupidity and anything else that makes you less than an equal customer.

You're the victim.

You deserve pity, and probably a fat government check.


You are totally missing the whole sum and substance. Unsurprisingly.

06 Dec 2012 02:50 PM
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gshepnyc     

Tatterdemalian: Pre-cogs will never be a reality.

They are, however, one of the world's oldest and most well-developed con games.

/lots of people have been killed for beliefs that have nothing to do with reality
//looks like the left is hoping to add a few million more to their body count again


You deserve nothing so much as you deserve a good, old-fashioned GFY.

06 Dec 2012 02:52 PM
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Tatterdemalian     

gshepnyc: Tatterdemalian: Pre-cogs will never be a reality.

They are, however, one of the world's oldest and most well-developed con games.

/lots of people have been killed for beliefs that have nothing to do with reality
//looks like the left is hoping to add a few million more to their body count again

You deserve nothing so much as you deserve a good, old-fashioned GFY.


After pre-emptive criminal profiling achieves the same degree of respect and authority that the lofty sciences of eugenics and collectivization reached last century, we'll see who 'F's who.

/who knows, the revolutionary national socialists might even win this time around
//if that happens, the whole world will be 'F'ed, so at least I won't 'GF'ed by myself

06 Dec 2012 03:08 PM
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Pangea     

sodomizer: Murder isn't a moral choice, it's a disease.

Same with alcoholism, drug abuse, stupidity and anything else that makes you less than an equal customer..


Addiction as disease does not claim drug (including alcohol) abuse is the disease. Addiction indicates a thinking disorder that led you to use drugs in an effort to alter your perception. Actual "recovery" requires that you don't do drugs anymore. Anything less is just excuses.

06 Dec 2012 03:20 PM
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YoungLochinvar     

Tatterdemalian: gshepnyc: Tatterdemalian: Pre-cogs will never be a reality.

They are, however, one of the world's oldest and most well-developed con games.

/lots of people have been killed for beliefs that have nothing to do with reality
//looks like the left is hoping to add a few million more to their body count again

You deserve nothing so much as you deserve a good, old-fashioned GFY.

After pre-emptive criminal profiling achieves the same degree of respect and authority that the lofty sciences of eugenics and collectivization reached last century, we'll see who 'F's who.

/who knows, the revolutionary national socialists might even win this time around
//if that happens, the whole world will be 'F'ed, so at least I won't 'GF'ed by myself


Out of some (obviously morbid) sense of curiosity... do you have *any* idea what the hell you're talking about?

06 Dec 2012 03:30 PM
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ciberido    [TotalFark]  
sodomizer: You're the victim.

You deserve pity, and probably a fat government check.

StrangeQ: It is similar to applying a statistical analysis to traffic patterns. As an individual driver you have a unique start point and destination and you may not think it plays a part in any statistical trend. But if one were to look at your car as just one among the thousands that may pass through a particular section of town during a portion of the day, predictions could be made about how many may take a particular exit or how changing a traffic signal may affect the overall traffic flow.

And that's what they're doing here. It has absolutely nothing to do with excusing people from their actions. They are examining trends and looking for correlations that appear to be influencing them.


Yes, but speaking of patterns, this is a pattern I see a lot among the more hard-line social conservatives. It isn't about solving a problem or reducing deaths or saving money (even though they very often claim it's about "not wasting money"), it's about punishing the bad people. You see this in their insistence on "abstinence-only" sex education (which doesn't work), or the death penalty (which costs more money and occasionally kills innocent people), or opposition to abortion coupled with opposition to means of preventing unwanted pregnancies (which increase the number of abortions), or opposition to clean-needle programs for drug addicts (because they don't want to "coddle junkies" even though the "coddling" would save taxpayers money).

Which would all be bad enough on its own, but it's the juxtaposition of impractical, idealistic (if you can call "make immoral people suffer" an ideal) policies with the laughable claim that they're being hard-nosed realists that I find particularly galling.

06 Dec 2012 04:04 PM
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ProfessorOhki     
Crime coefficient over by 160
Lethal Eliminator enabled

06 Dec 2012 04:09 PM
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Spaced Cowboy     

Tatterdemalian: gshepnyc: Tatterdemalian: Pre-cogs will never be a reality.

They are, however, one of the world's oldest and most well-developed con games.

/lots of people have been killed for beliefs that have nothing to do with reality
//looks like the left is hoping to add a few million more to their body count again

You deserve nothing so much as you deserve a good, old-fashioned GFY.

After pre-emptive criminal profiling achieves the same degree of respect and authority that the lofty sciences of eugenics and collectivization reached last century, we'll see who 'F's who.

/who knows, the revolutionary national socialists might even win this time around
//if that happens, the whole world will be 'F'ed, so at least I won't 'GF'ed by myself


chzichcafterdark.files.wordpress.com

06 Dec 2012 05:03 PM
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Holocaust Agnostic     

Tatterdemalian: Pre-cogs will never be a reality.

They are, however, one of the world's oldest and most well-developed con games.

/lots of people have been killed for beliefs that have nothing to do with reality
//looks like the left is hoping to add a few million more to their body count again



We gotta catch up somehow, dude.

06 Dec 2012 05:33 PM
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Mytch     
Good. Need some pre-fash people to determine which mins to market.

06 Dec 2012 07:11 PM
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Monkeyhouse Zendo     

Richard Freckle: strife, gonads


well done

06 Dec 2012 07:42 PM
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Mega Steve     

CygnusDarius: Murder is a disease.

And, like all diseases, it spreads. I see it all around me: I see men glorifying murder in videogames, I see women instigating murder with their lustful eyes and sinful bodies. I see their filth, and then I look at me: Tarnished, and dirty. But God has spoken to me. Even a lowly sinner as I am, He called my name and gave me a mission, to cleanse murder from their bodies, and to bring them to His flock.

Sure, it's no easy task, speaking to these people. The drug addicts, the drunks, the whores, all dirty, sinful, and murderous. That is why you need to to put them in a place so they can focus on our conversation. My cellar is best. It's also sound-proof, so they are not distracted by any noises from the outside. I talk to them, very sternly, but yet they still resist. And then, when all else fails, I cleanse their sinful and bloody bodies in hallowed flame, and I rejoice, for in their screams they repent, and I see their souls joyfully go to God's grace, and I cry tears of joy, and God rewards me with a climax, and a job well done.

For you see, murder is disease. And I am the cure.

/creepypasta much, right?


Somewhat related:
Rorschach's Journal. October 12th, 1985: Dog carcass in alley this morning, tire tread on burst stomach. This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."
3.bp.blogspot.com

06 Dec 2012 08:01 PM
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goddamndroogs!     
1.bp.blogspot.com

06 Dec 2012 10:08 PM
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FizixJunkee     
UCLA has been successfully predicting crime for a while now.

Link

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07 Dec 2012 04:34 AM
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FizixJunkee     

07 Dec 2012 04:36 AM
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FizixJunkee     

Tatterdemalian:

After pre-emptive criminal profiling achieves the same degree of respect and authority that the lofty sciences of eugenics and collectivization reached last century, we'll see who 'F's who.


Except that the aforementioned progams used to "predict" crimes doesn't profile. There's never any information about race, age, or gender, for example. Just type of crime, time of crime, and latitude and longitude.

07 Dec 2012 04:38 AM
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FizixJunkee     

FizixJunkee: Tatterdemalian:

After pre-emptive criminal profiling achieves the same degree of respect and authority that the lofty sciences of eugenics and collectivization reached last century, we'll see who 'F's who.


Except that the aforementioned programs used to "predict" crimes doesn't profile. There's never any information about race, age, or gender, for example. Just type of crime, time of crime, and latitude and longitude.


FTFM

07 Dec 2012 04:39 AM
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StrangeQ     

ciberido: Yes, but speaking of patterns, this is a pattern I see a lot among the more hard-line social conservatives. It isn't about solving a problem or reducing deaths or saving money (even though they very often claim it's about "not wasting money"), it's about punishing the bad people. You see this in their insistence on "abstinence-only" sex education (which doesn't work), or the death penalty (which costs more money and occasionally kills innocent people), or opposition to abortion coupled with opposition to means of preventing unwanted pregnancies (which increase the number of abortions), or opposition to clean-needle programs for drug addicts (because they don't want to "coddle junkies" even though the "coddling" would save taxpayers money).

Which would all be bad enough on its own, but it's the juxtaposition of impractical, idealistic (if you can call "make immoral people suffer" an ideal) policies with the laughable claim that they're being hard-nosed realists that I find particularly galling.


No real arguments there, but I might extend your referral to hardline conservatives to society as a whole. We're stuck on vengeance. In fact, we love it. When you see some asshole cutting through traffic spinout on a patch of gravel and go careening into the siderail you inwardly cheer inside because that stupid asshole got what was coming to him. It's as if the majority of us live our lives by some innately understood moral compass and then become outraged when we see someone flagrantly rejecting it. We don't care about the cause, we just want the bastard punished for their insolence because who the fark are they do just disregard the rules?

07 Dec 2012 09:49 AM
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ciberido    [TotalFark]  

StrangeQ: No real arguments there, but I might extend your referral to hardline conservatives to society as a whole. We're stuck on vengeance. In fact, we love it. When you see some asshole cutting through traffic spinout on a patch of gravel and go careening into the siderail you inwardly cheer inside because that stupid asshole got what was coming to him. It's as if the majority of us live our lives by some innately understood moral compass and then become outraged when we see someone flagrantly rejecting it. We don't care about the cause, we just want the bastard punished for their insolence because who the fark are they do just disregard the rules?


To generallize even more, I think what you are talking about boils down to the just-world fallacy, which is part of human nature. Some people even argue that this is why so many people are religious: we want so desperately to believe that the righteous are eventually rewarded and the unrighteous eventually meet their just desserts that we envision an afterlife specifically designed to reward and punish.

But yes, I agree we're talking about universal human urges, but I also still think we're talking about a difference between conservatives and liberals. The desire to see evil not go unpunished is universal, but I think it's a urge that is stronger in conservatives than it is in liberals in that it drives how conservatives think much more so than it does how others think. 

To paraphrase a semi-famous quote

The liberal nightmare is that an innocent man goes to jail,
The conservative nightmare is that a guilty man walks free.

07 Dec 2012 10:20 AM
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