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06 Dec 2012 04:47 PM   |   1746 clicks   |   LA Weekly
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BarkingUnicorn    [TotalFark]  
Well, who wouldn't hit her?

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06 Dec 2012 02:47 PM
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ZAZ    [TotalFark]  
The contribution from DUI and immigration laws is worth thinking about.

Johnson says. LAPD spokesman Smith confirms that finding hit-and-run killers is "absolutely" a higher priority than finding those who flee scenes where the victim or victims survive

California adopted a law that was supposed to increase the punishment for hit and run resulting in death, but it was construed to apply only when leaving the scene contributed to death (victim would have lived if the driver had stopped).

In the long run you'll have to insert your license in the car and you won't be able to drive until the DMV computer verifies you have insurance, don't owe back taxes, etc. And they'll have a record of who was driving where and when.

Although Villaraigosa and Beck take credit for low levels of violent crime that today match those of the idyllic 1950s, it seems impossible that half of all auto crashes in 1956 were hit-and-runs, or that thousands of people were being left injured, or worse, on the city's streets each year.

I could believe it. Roads were relatively dangerous 60 years ago. You have to compare increase in miles traveled and population with decrease in injury and fatality rate. Either might dominate.

06 Dec 2012 04:07 PM
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Lemmy Kilmister     
any chance it's because of all the illegal mexicans with no papers?

06 Dec 2012 04:49 PM
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TheTrashcanMan     
I wonder what percentage of those hit and runs are done by illegals...

06 Dec 2012 04:49 PM
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iheartscotch    [TotalFark]  
Hit-and-have your dad virtually pimp you out to make money?

06 Dec 2012 04:50 PM
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Apik0r0s     
How the hell do you run in that traffic? I love LA as long as I can stay out of cars.

06 Dec 2012 04:51 PM
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destrip     
No wonder!

www.globalpost.com

06 Dec 2012 04:52 PM
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Optimus Primate     
That article sure has a lot of Injury Porn. Was it necessary to show that many pics of the mutilations? I thought it was a Daily Fail situation for a minute...

06 Dec 2012 04:53 PM
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martid4    [TotalFark]  
I was hit by a car load of Julios that took off.

06 Dec 2012 04:53 PM
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titwrench     

Lemmy Kilmister: any chance it's because of all the illegal mexicans with no papers?


TheTrashcanMan: I wonder what percentage of those hit and runs are done by illegals...


You can't say that, it's racist. Whether it's true or not.

06 Dec 2012 04:53 PM
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justanotherfarkinfarker     
If I lived there I'd get a suv with steel bumpers and rock bars on the side. Come at me mexicants.

06 Dec 2012 04:55 PM
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kiyote     
If your car detects a collision, it should auto-record the data of the hit in a log that's then sent to the police with the date-time and GPS coordinates. That would be the end of hit and runs.

06 Dec 2012 05:01 PM
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Hyppy     

kiyote: If your car detects a collision, it should auto-record the data of the hit in a log that's then sent to the police with the date-time and GPS coordinates. That would be the end of hit and runs.


We're already 90% of the way there.

06 Dec 2012 05:02 PM
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titwrench     

kiyote: If your car detects a collision, it should auto-record the data of the hit in a log that's then sent to the police with the date-time and GPS coordinates. That would be the end of hit and runs.


Not a bad idea. GM has that capability with OnStar although I think it has to be severe enough to deploy airbags for the alert to go out. But if you made it sensative to 15MPH impact or something that could work.

06 Dec 2012 05:06 PM
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HellRaisingHoosier     

ZAZ:
In the long run you'll have to insert your license in the car and you won't be able to drive until the DMV computer verifies you have insurance, don't owe back taxes, etc. And they'll have a record of who was driving where and when.



That is a world I one day want to live in.

Living in the Midwest, I'd say at least a good third of our drivers are probably on the road illegally. Last night at the local bar this was literally the topic of conversation, and out of the 14 people there 6 were not allowed to drive and the other few were probably too shiat-faced.

Out of the few accidents I've been in one of them was being hit by someone without insurance. And another accident where a dude hit me, jumped out of the car and ran away on foot. I had my buddies come get the car and we took it out mudding and farked car thing up hardcore. After our fun we gave it too some high school kids and I never saw it again.

06 Dec 2012 05:07 PM
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titwrench     

HellRaisingHoosier: ZAZ:
In the long run you'll have to insert your license in the car and you won't be able to drive until the DMV computer verifies you have insurance, don't owe back taxes, etc. And they'll have a record of who was driving where and when.


That is a world I one day want to live in.

Living in the Midwest, I'd say at least a good third of our drivers are probably on the road illegally. Last night at the local bar this was literally the topic of conversation, and out of the 14 people there 6 were not allowed to drive and the other few were probably too shiat-faced.
Out of the few accidents I've been in one of them was being hit by someone without insurance. And another accident where a dude hit me, jumped out of the car and ran away on foot. I had my buddies come get the car and we took it out mudding and farked car thing up hardcore. After our fun we gave it too some high school kids and I never saw it again.


I read a statistic once that said between the hours of 2am-6am nearly 1/3 of the drivers on the road are legally drunk.

06 Dec 2012 05:11 PM
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ohdoublereally     

titwrench: Lemmy Kilmister: any chance it's because of all the illegal mexicans with no papers?

TheTrashcanMan: I wonder what percentage of those hit and runs are done by illegals...

You can't say that, it's racist. Whether it's true or not.


Are you saying truth might be racist? Then I am against truth.

06 Dec 2012 05:14 PM
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fat boy     

TheTrashcanMan: I wonder what percentage of those hit and runs are done by illegals...


0%, they respect our laws.

06 Dec 2012 05:22 PM
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boobsrgood     

Lemmy Kilmister: any chance it's because of all the illegal mexicans with no papers?


Any chance this thread could degrade into yet another bigot circle jerk?

06 Dec 2012 05:25 PM
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Gabrielmot     

HellRaisingHoosier: That is a world I one day want to live in.

Living in the Midwest, I'd say at least a good third of our drivers are probably on the road illegally. Last night at the local bar this was literally the topic of conversation, and out of the 14 people there 6 were not allowed to drive and the other few were probably too shiat-faced.

Out of the few accidents I've been in one of them was being hit by someone without insurance. And another accident where a dude hit me, jumped out of the car and ran away on foot. I had my buddies come get the car and we took it out mudding and farked car thing up hardcore. After our fun we gave it too some high school kids and I never saw it again.


Considering there's a chance that car was stolen in the first place, getting your fingerprints on it and then handing it off to some idiot kids who can identify you might not have been the best judgement call.

06 Dec 2012 05:25 PM
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fat boy     

boobsrgood: Lemmy Kilmister: any chance it's because of all the illegal mexicans with no papers?

Any chance this thread could degrade into yet another bigot circle jerk?


Truth hurts, huh?

06 Dec 2012 05:26 PM
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titwrench     

boobsrgood: Lemmy Kilmister: any chance it's because of all the illegal mexicans with no papers?

Any chance this thread could degrade into yet another bigot circle jerk?


Good God I hope so.

06 Dec 2012 05:30 PM
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you have pee hands     

fat boy: Truth hurts, huh?


"Truth" is an interesting description of something that can't be proven.

06 Dec 2012 05:43 PM
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Spam Pajamas     
If you get a second DUI in California it'll cost you about $25,000 and 30 days in jail. If you kill someone while driving drunk it's no longer manslaugter in Ca., it's murder two - 25 years in jail. As terrible as it is to say, I can see why someone wouldn't stop.

06 Dec 2012 05:46 PM
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titwrench     

you have pee hands: fat boy: Truth hurts, huh?

"Truth" is an interesting description of something that can't be proven.


So there is no "true" God?

If this is going to turninto an illegal immigrant thread I am dragging God, guns and cyclists in too.

06 Dec 2012 05:46 PM
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Nemo's Brother     
A city of illegal aliens and liberals.

06 Dec 2012 06:10 PM
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kibblesnbits    [TotalFark]  

kiyote: If your car detects a collision, it should auto-record the data of the hit in a log that's then sent to the police with the date-time and GPS coordinates. That would be the end of hit and runs.

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I'm not sure I like that idea, especially for low impact accidents which are far, far more common. My car has numerous dings, dents, scrapes, broken mirrors, etc, and the car was not in motion for ANY of them. It gets hit maybe a couple of times a year by people not paying attention, speeding, etc. Every single dent was while it was parked on the narrow streets where I live, plus an occasional few in parking lots, etc. These narrow streets have been a problem with every car I've had and my neighbor's cars too. I don't bother getting body work done because it won't ever last long enough to be worth it. Mirrors and tape are cheap. So never an insurance claim with these.

Only one time in the past 20 years has someone ever left a note, all the rest were hit and runs. I heard it and went out there while he was writing it, and after looking at the mild dent he left, I told him not to bother. Except he spoke no english whatsoever and that wasn't so easy. But it seems the only honest guy was possibly an illegal.

But if the insurance companies got hold of my car's dent history, I'm quite sure my premiums would go sky high whether I ever bother getting the dents fixed or not.

06 Dec 2012 06:17 PM
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shamalamadingdong     
You can't have a conversation in LA about "hit-and-run drivers" without subconsciously agreeing that you are both talking about Latinos. You might not say you're talking about Latinos, but when you both are surprised when it is discovered that the perp was driving a BMW or Mercedes, and you now must assume he was either Persian or Armenian, and then you're both like "Well it farking figures." Because really, who the fark hits-and-runs in LA besides Latinos and Middle Easterners? farking Russians, that's who. Also Israelis.

06 Dec 2012 06:25 PM
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oh_please     
I'm not surprised in the least.

Unless LA's mass transit has improved tenfold since I lived there in the 80's (I'm sure it hasn't), you pretty much need a car to do anything. Unless insurance rates have gone down since then (I'm sure they haven't, I paid $150/mo back then), you're going to pay an arm and a leg just for basic liability. So whatcha gonna do? You need a car to get a job, but you can't afford the insurance. Drive and pray. I honestly don't think this is an illegal immigrant problem, it's an economic one.

06 Dec 2012 06:26 PM
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you have pee hands     

titwrench: So there is no "true" God?

If this is going to turninto an illegal immigrant thread I am dragging God, guns and cyclists in too.


I just wanted to blame teenagers with bad parents, overpriveledged frat boys, and middle age alcoholics. God and/or cyclists are good too, though.

06 Dec 2012 06:27 PM
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Krieghund     
There are a hell of a lot of illegals here that don't have insurance. And they're not all Mexican, or Hispanic, or brown skinned. There are plenty of white illegal immigrants in LA. The easiest way for California to take care of this problem is to give driver's licenses to everyone, regardless of citizenship status.

There are also plenty of people legally here that don't carry insurance. Maybe they can't afford it. Maybe they don't drive enough to think it's worth it.

There are also people that just don't want to stop. LA has no shortage of self-entitled assholes. The hit-and-run from the article sounds like the latter.


ZAZ: In the long run you'll have to insert your license in the car and you won't be able to drive until the DMV computer verifies you have insurance, don't owe back taxes, etc.


I'm ok with this. You got all "oh noes, the gubbment is in your cars looking at your commutez", but that doesn't necessarily follow.

06 Dec 2012 06:29 PM
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Mnemia     

Spam Pajamas: If you get a second DUI in California it'll cost you about $25,000 and 30 days in jail. If you kill someone while driving drunk it's no longer manslaugter in Ca., it's murder two - 25 years in jail. As terrible as it is to say, I can see why someone wouldn't stop.


Yes, there has been some speculation that the increase in hit-and-run many places is linked to tougher DUI penalties. So, simple solution to avoid unintended consequences: make the penalty for hit-and-run at least as severe as the penalty for super-drunk DUI (preferably more severe, so that people don't want to risk it even if drunk). Right now, the likelihood of getting caught is low, and the penalty is minimal even if caught. So in a lawless/twisted way, it IS rational to flee if drunk.

Leaving the scene of a crash needs to be made totally socially unacceptable, and backed up with strong laws, prosecution, and enforcement. We've made a lot of headway in reducing the DUI problem, but we need to address any side effects of that push.

06 Dec 2012 06:33 PM
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flynn80     
and is it greater or less than Amanda Bynes. Need her, Lindsey and Danicka Patrick in Death Race 3.

06 Dec 2012 06:34 PM
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kibblesnbits    [TotalFark]  

shamalamadingdong: You can't have a conversation in LA about "hit-and-run drivers" without subconsciously agreeing that you are both talking about Latinos. You might not say you're talking about Latinos, but when you both are surprised when it is discovered that the perp was driving a BMW or Mercedes, and you now must assume he was either Persian or Armenian, and then you're both like "Well it farking figures." Because really, who the fark hits-and-runs in LA besides Latinos and Middle Easterners? farking Russians, that's who. Also Israelis.


This city is composed of over 50% Latino residents, illegal or not. So, without looking at any other metric, it's quite reasonable to assume that about half the accidents in this city will be with a Latino driving at least one of the vehicles. That's not a difficult or racist thing to assume, it's just a numerical fact.

But there is no real reliable way to count the stats of hit and run drivers, because, well, they ran and are not usually caught, regardless of their legal, financial, or insurance status. How do you think rich people of any color stay rich? By being totally responsible to their fellow man? I don't think so....

06 Dec 2012 06:40 PM
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khyberkitsune     

titwrench: HellRaisingHoosier: ZAZ:
In the long run you'll have to insert your license in the car and you won't be able to drive until the DMV computer verifies you have insurance, don't owe back taxes, etc. And they'll have a record of who was driving where and when.


That is a world I one day want to live in.

Living in the Midwest, I'd say at least a good third of our drivers are probably on the road illegally. Last night at the local bar this was literally the topic of conversation, and out of the 14 people there 6 were not allowed to drive and the other few were probably too shiat-faced.
Out of the few accidents I've been in one of them was being hit by someone without insurance. And another accident where a dude hit me, jumped out of the car and ran away on foot. I had my buddies come get the car and we took it out mudding and farked car thing up hardcore. After our fun we gave it too some high school kids and I never saw it again.

I read a statistic once that said between the hours of 2am-6am nearly 1/3 of the drivers on the road are legally drunk.


Gotta be more than that, because 8/10 of the people pulling into my parking lot at that time are totally shiatfaced and looking to score.

With other married men.

06 Dec 2012 06:43 PM
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Mnemia     

Krieghund: There are a hell of a lot of illegals here that don't have insurance. And they're not all Mexican, or Hispanic, or brown skinned. There are plenty of white illegal immigrants in LA. The easiest way for California to take care of this problem is to give driver's licenses to everyone, regardless of citizenship status.

There are also plenty of people legally here that don't carry insurance. Maybe they can't afford it. Maybe they don't drive enough to think it's worth it.

There are also people that just don't want to stop. LA has no shortage of self-entitled assholes. The hit-and-run from the article sounds like the latter.


ZAZ: In the long run you'll have to insert your license in the car and you won't be able to drive until the DMV computer verifies you have insurance, don't owe back taxes, etc.

I'm ok with this. You got all "oh noes, the gubbment is in your cars looking at your commutez", but that doesn't necessarily follow.


The thing about the privacy thing is, your commute isn't really private information anyway. It's an activity people do in public spaces, on public infrastructure, and in vehicles regulated by the government due to their potential to cause harm to others. The potential benefits to society associated with linking all vehicles to information networks all the time are huge and diverse, so it will likely happen sooner or later. I'd happily give up the already non-existent "right" to not be monitored in my car travels in exchange for the assurance that jackass drivers, drunks, etc would be unable to harm me without consequences when I use the public infrastructure I share with them. I'd want there to be controls on how the information is used and when, but I'd support it in general. I'm a safe, careful driver, and I wouldn't have anything to really hide. I don't mind red light cameras, either, because I don't run red lights (and if I ever slipped up and did by accident or negligence, I would accept the punishment as fair).

06 Dec 2012 06:43 PM
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Fano     
More like David Lopan

06 Dec 2012 07:15 PM
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baronvonzipper     
I decided to go the way of the Russians: put a dash cam in my truck and in the Baroness's car. They are relatively cheap - 25 clams through Amazon and 20 for a 32G SD card gets me 8 hours of recording.

It's been said that due to the economy, at least a quarter of the people driving out there have no insurance, no license, or none of the above. It's no wonder they split when they hit.

06 Dec 2012 07:35 PM
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baronvonzipper     

Fano: More like David Lopan


It's all in the reflexes.

06 Dec 2012 07:39 PM
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titwrench     

you have pee hands: titwrench: So there is no "true" God?

If this is going to turninto an illegal immigrant thread I am dragging God, guns and cyclists in too.

I just wanted to blame teenagers with bad parents, overpriveledged frat boys, and middle age alcoholics. God and/or cyclists are good too, though.


Sweet.

06 Dec 2012 08:00 PM
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Dragonblink     

oh_please: Unless LA's mass transit has improved tenfold since I lived there in the 80's (I'm sure it hasn't)


It has, believe it or not. But it still has a long way to go.

06 Dec 2012 09:19 PM
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ZAZ    [TotalFark]  
Unless LA's mass transit has improved tenfold

I know somebody who occasionally commutes by train from Riverside to Pasadena. Probably a bus in there too. It's a long trip and the schedule is limited, but it's not impossible.

06 Dec 2012 09:35 PM
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Ima4nic8or     
That is because 48% of L.A. is either illegals or black gangbangers.

What?

Someone had to say it.

Plus its true.

06 Dec 2012 11:33 PM
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Thresher     
It's $150. It might save your life. It'll definitely save you $150 when some asshat takes off and you have them on video....or in my case I was hit from behind after stopping successfully and not hitting the car in front of me (til I was hit) - thanks to the video, the car behind me paid for me and the car in front of me. He tried telling the cops and the insurance company that I had hit the first guy then he hit me. I kept my mouth shut until the insurance company called and I asked them if they wanted a copy of the recording.

www.dash-gadgets.com

07 Dec 2012 12:40 AM
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master_dman     
50% is illegals who don't have insurance.

50% is self absorbed douches who could care less about their fellow man.. (liberals)

07 Dec 2012 12:26 PM
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WildManBand     
As a farker who had the pleasure of chasing his hit and run assailant around the 10 east and west and catching him, I am not getting a kick out of this hit and run numbers.

No I didn't hold him at gunpoint when the chase ended like Internet tough guys like to suggest.

07 Dec 2012 01:45 PM
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MartinaMcSorley     

master_dman: 50% is illegals who don't have insurance.

50% is self absorbed douches who could care less about their fellow man.. (liberals)


No, the poster above had it right. The other 50% is douchey Persian and Armenian kids. I'd guess they're really more apolitical than liberal. Their parents occasionally kick up a fuss about the Armenian genocide, but otherwise, they're too busy running their cash-based stores and crooked construction companies to pay attention to California politics. Which is probably a blessing.

Oh, and another 50% for cop cars bouncing off things. Cops are too busy paying with their computers and cellies to bother to flip on their turn signals or see if there is already someone in the next lane to them. Seen it more than once. Sigh.

07 Dec 2012 04:15 PM
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