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   Protip: Dragging a 6-year-old blind student down a hallway on his back 'because he refused to go to class' is probably not the best way to get him there

07 Dec 2012 01:03 AM   |   5016 clicks   |   Daily Mail
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MadAzza     
What difference does it make if the student is blind?

06 Dec 2012 08:21 PM
ArkAngel    [TotalFark]  

MadAzza: What difference does it make if the student is blind?


Extra points when you make him hit stuff

06 Dec 2012 08:30 PM
tin_man     
What is the best way to get him there?

06 Dec 2012 08:57 PM
Lionel Mandrake    [TotalFark]  
Shocking footage shows teacher dragging blind student, 6, down a hallway 'because he refused to go to class'

Two female teachers in video now face child abuse charges


That was not shocking. That was not child abuse.

06 Dec 2012 09:17 PM
some_beer_drinker    [TotalFark]  

Lionel Mandrake: Shocking footage shows teacher dragging blind student, 6, down a hallway 'because he refused to go to class'

Two female teachers in video now face child abuse charges

That was not shocking. That was not child abuse.


i can't abide this shocking abuse of power. that poor, blind child needs to have his freedoms protected.

06 Dec 2012 09:48 PM
Lsherm    [TotalFark]  

tin_man: What is the best way to get him there?


Best? No.
Most effective? Probably, unless they have a child cannon.

06 Dec 2012 09:55 PM
The Italian Farker    [TotalFark]  
But does he play mean pinball?

06 Dec 2012 10:43 PM
BSABSVR     
Well, you can't just let him careen off of shiat until he gets there, either.

07 Dec 2012 12:52 AM
Ringo48     

tin_man: What is the best way to get him there?


Taser.

07 Dec 2012 01:05 AM
RoyHobbs22     
should have just gone the "GO TO CLASS!" route.

07 Dec 2012 01:05 AM
BarkingUnicorn     

tin_man: What is the best way to get him there?


Electric cattle prod.

07 Dec 2012 01:08 AM
Ebenator     
It wasn't appropriate by a long shot, but it sure as shiat wasn't abuse.

07 Dec 2012 01:08 AM
INeedAName     

Lionel Mandrake: Shocking footage shows teacher dragging blind student, 6, down a hallway 'because he refused to go to class'

Two female teachers in video now face child abuse charges

That was not shocking. That was not child abuse.


Protip from someone in education: if it's not your kid, don't put your hands on them.

07 Dec 2012 01:08 AM
skinink     
He's blind! Tell him he can go to study hall instead, but eventually lead him to his class. You think Anne Frank was as difficult as this blind boy?

07 Dec 2012 01:09 AM
TheOtherMisterP     
I'm feeling remarkably unshocked.

In a different context, this exact footage would get tremendous laughs on America's Funniest Home Videos.

07 Dec 2012 01:16 AM
Mixolydian Master     

skinink: He's blind! Tell him he can go to study hall instead, but eventually lead him to his class. You think Anne Frank was as difficult as this blind boy?


If Anne Frank didn't go to class she woulda never gotten her pilots license and gotten lost in the Bermuda Triangle. Be careful what you wish for.

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07 Dec 2012 01:19 AM
doglover    [TotalFark]  
Schools need the power to deal with or eject difficult students. Your kid won't cooperate but you didn't sign a waiver? Boom, out. Come get them now or we'll charge you a babysitting fee of 150% a teacher's hourly rate plus a per diem for facilities.

Draging on the floor isn't out of line for dealing with a six year old who is being stubborn. If he was injured, that's one thing, but it's well within reason to physically move a very small child who will not go where you have a legal obligation to have them. If you don't like that, homeschool your snowflake. See where that gets you.

Child abuse is whipping their back bloody with a hickory switch. Child abuse is putting out cigarettes on their forehead. Child abuse is basically anything that happened to school children in the 1800s. But simply dragging a kid who won't go to class? Unless the floor was a cheese grater, I don't see the issue.

07 Dec 2012 01:19 AM
Lionel Mandrake    [TotalFark]  

INeedAName: Lionel Mandrake: Shocking footage shows teacher dragging blind student, 6, down a hallway 'because he refused to go to class'

Two female teachers in video now face child abuse charges

That was not shocking. That was not child abuse.

Protip from someone in education: if it's not your kid, don't put your hands on them.


I agree. It still wasn't shocking or abusive. Inappropriate? Yes. Child abuse? No.

07 Dec 2012 01:19 AM
Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich     

Lionel Mandrake: That was not shocking. That was not child abuse.


This is why I love teaching in Asia. Here, the parents would be yelling at the kid "Why did Teacher Sudo have to drag you to class?!"

07 Dec 2012 01:20 AM
What_Would_Jimi_Do     

Mixolydian Master: skinink: He's blind! Tell him he can go to study hall instead, but eventually lead him to his class. You think Anne Frank was as difficult as this blind boy?

If Anne Frank didn't go to class she woulda never gotten her pilots license and gotten lost in the Bermuda Triangle. Be careful what you wish for.

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that may be the most stupid thing i have ever seen.

07 Dec 2012 01:20 AM
Testiclaw     
It's okay: nobody saw anything.

...

...is this thing on?

07 Dec 2012 01:21 AM
Feral_and_Preposterous     
Best way is to have him fetched by the really strong 'tard what goes by the name of Lenny. Let Lenny do the work; let Lenny take the blame.

07 Dec 2012 01:31 AM
MadMattressMack     
FTFA:

"Dobyns added that the youngster's family did not want to press criminal charges against the teacher after the school told them about the incident.

'The boy's parents like this teacher,' she said. 'This teacher has been working with their child for quite some time.'"

It seems there's a lot more to this story than what's being served up to try to create an outrage by the Daily Fail.

07 Dec 2012 01:38 AM
Gyrfalcon    [TotalFark]  
So, how else should they have gotten him to class? Asked him nicely? That doesn't seem to have worked. Let him go running out into the parking lot? Called the cops to arrest him, creating a whole different issue for people to get outraged about? What, o outraged ones, would have been preferable?

All you ever hear in stories like this is "THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT!!!" but you never hear what ought to have been done instead, with a recalcitrant student who knows perfectly well that if he goes limp like a street protestor the teachers can't touch him and he'll get his way. He's blind, not stupid. Or else the police get called, and then his parents will show up and make a huge fuss and he'll get even more attention paid to him, the ultimate goal of any temper tantrum.

The teachers did about what should have been done. It would probably have been better if a bigger teacher had picked the brat up and carried him to his classroom, plunked him down hard in his seat and said "Now, you're going to sit there and listen!" but maybe next time. Nobody is advocating beating him or locking him in a closet. But asking him to obey his teachers doesn't seem too much to me. And if he won't do it voluntarily, then he has to be made to do it. He's a kid. If he doesn't learn it now, then unfortunately, he'll be learning it in a few years in a correctional facility, where being blind will be a serious disadvantage.

07 Dec 2012 01:38 AM
Eugoogoolizer     

BSABSVR: Well, you can't just let him careen off of shiat until he gets there, either.


/ha...snirk, hmhmhm..., AaaaaaaaHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,

Aaaa...

No disrespect to our blind brethren, the comment just gave me a hilarious visual is all.

Yes, I expect the Fire & Brimstone

07 Dec 2012 01:44 AM
Genevieve Marie    [TotalFark]  
The article pointed out that the parents have no desire to press charges because they like the teacher.

I uh... yes, it was probably inappropriate, but it didn't look like the child was in any danger at all of any sort, nor was the teacher being cruel or bullying. The kid looked like he was in the limp phase of a pretty typical six year old temper tantrum.

07 Dec 2012 01:46 AM
Porous Horace     
Six? Shouldn't be that hard to bowl the kid down the hall.

07 Dec 2012 01:48 AM
othmar     
he couldn't see where he was going but he could feel it

07 Dec 2012 01:50 AM
BoxOfBees     
I'm surprised about the overwhelming show of support for something that my parents would have done to me and would have been happy for someone else to do to me if I had been disrespectful and uncooperative.

But they will get a nice little cash settlement anyway. And disciplinary actions against the teachers.

*watches video*
*blinks*
*watches video again*

That was less violent than a car ride or even playing some board games. Blatant neglect for his safety? SAFETY????

*head asplodes*

07 Dec 2012 01:54 AM
doglover    [TotalFark]  

BoxOfBees: I'm surprised about the overwhelming show of support for something that my parents would have done to me and would have been happy for someone else to do to me if I had been disrespectful and uncooperative.

But they will get a nice little cash settlement anyway. And disciplinary actions against the teachers.

*watches video*
*blinks*
*watches video again*

That was less violent than a car ride or even playing some board games. Blatant neglect for his safety? SAFETY????

*head asplodes*


He could have been raped by a wild Jerry Sandusky who somehow escaped prison and swam to England while high on Viagra in that compromising position. Clearly the child was in mortal danger and these teachers should be shot out of a cannon and into the ocean.

07 Dec 2012 02:07 AM
Begoggle     
"The alleged ringleader"

Ringleader? LOL come on Daily Fail.

07 Dec 2012 02:08 AM
RayD8     

MadAzza: What difference does it make if the student is blind?


Indeed. Could they sneak up on him easily?
Or has the blind thing made his hearing super sensitive, like the ears of a teen masturbating.

07 Dec 2012 02:09 AM
poot_rootbeer     
What.

My parents had to drag me all over the house when I was being a stubborn and uncooperative six-year-old. And this was on deep '70s shag carpet, too. None of this low-friction hallway linoleum.

Kids these days, and their delicate, delicate parents.

07 Dec 2012 02:14 AM
Fano     

tin_man: What is the best way to get him there?


Slide him face down the length of the bar

07 Dec 2012 02:19 AM
Buffet     
Video doesn't work.

07 Dec 2012 02:31 AM
Metalithic     

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Lionel Mandrake: That was not shocking. That was not child abuse.

This is why I love teaching in Asia. Here, the parents would be yelling at the kid "Why did Teacher Sudo have to drag you to class?!"


Hmm. Your profile indicates you teach in Taiwan. They're fond of corporal punishment there, at least according to human rights groups. I think there is a considerable distance between dragging reticent kids to class and caning them until their flesh tears, but that's just me. Or are one of the more modern teachers?

07 Dec 2012 02:33 AM
ISO15693     
That deaf dumb blind kid sure makes a scene in schoool halls.

07 Dec 2012 02:35 AM
Marcintosh     
People Skillz - she hazem

07 Dec 2012 02:43 AM
tinfoil-hat maggie    [TotalFark]  

ISO15693: That deaf dumb blind kid sure makes a scene in schoool halls.


Nicely done : )

07 Dec 2012 02:47 AM
Great Janitor     
I'm amazed by what today is viewed as abuse or unsafe or something that should be banned or gets the cops called. When I was in the first grade I refused to do most of my work. I understood it, I just didn't want to do it. The solution: well, first I had three hearing tests because the teacher wanted to make absolutely sure I wasn't deaf. Next, staying late to do my work and missing recess. `When that failed it was my parents sitting me down and explaining that if I didn't do my work I was going to repeat the first grade and that teacher that I hated so farking much would probably be my teacher again. I was to young to realize that there were enough first grade teachers that I probably wouldn't have to repeat the first grade with the same teacher. For a bit I was even in the resource group. Those who went to the special room for those who needed extra help. I was there for less than a semester before the resource room teachers realized that I wasn't dumb, just lazy. My parents, again, just pointed out that if I'd do my farking work then I wouldn't be grouped with all the dumb kids. Today, parents would be yelling at the school admins and threatening lawsuits for even suggesting that their kids might be dumb instead of lazy.

At one point I was pissed at my first grade teacher. I don't remember what happened (it was almost 30 years ago...shiat, it was almost 30 years ago). I said, huffing and puffing with my fists clinched "I hate you Miss Johnson." she looked me in the eye and taunted me, using the phrase "big man" when referring to me and asking what was I going to do? Then she asked if I was going to hit her, and I did. I was a weak ass first grader and she was a mean fat biatch (seriously, pissing off a first grader to the point that he's ready to hit you after saying that he hates you, that's a special kind of biatch for a first grade teacher). She looked at her arm, not even a red mark. She looked at me and said "Boy, go stand in that corner!" Then she called the teacher from the next class over and said "That fool just hit me." and they both had a laugh over it. On the last day of school the my mom showed up with cupcakes to celebrate the last day of school. She passed room after room, all listening to music and having a last day of school party. She got to my classroom, we were doing school work. The teacher told my mom to take the cupcakes home because there was no sense in having a party on a school day. My mom asked what was the sense in giving the students busy work on the last day of school. Then the teacher said "Back in March you son hit me." My mom said "Okay." "What are you going to do about it?" Miss Johnson asked. My mom answered "Nothing." Miss Johnson asked "He hit me and you aren't going to punish him?" my mom replied "If you wanted me to punish him, you should have told me back in March." (I only know of this exchange because it's become one of my mom's favorite stories). Today, a student, even one as weak as I was back then, would have resulted in the student being arrested and sent to the school for trouble students.

One day on the playground for the first and second graders, we got spring mounted animal rides installed. The teachers monitoring the recess yard didn't think to watch the spring mounted animals. I stood too close to one student as she rode one afternoon, taking the back of a little girl's head to my face. Broke my nose. The result: a line painted in the grass that the kids stood behind while they waited for their turn. Today, lawsuit, spring mounted animals would have been removed...

In the first grade we only got one recess, and it was in the afternoon, like 2pm. And it wasn't just walk out to the playground and play. First we had to stand in line by class and do exercises before we went out and played. The time they spend having us exercise depended on how well all the first graders followed direction. Meaning we spent more time in lines exercising than we did playing (we were little kids not soldiers, put us on a playground and NOT expect us to complain about wanting to go play and not stand in line and follow direction after following direction all day. I remember having more fun in P.E. than we did most of the time in recess, and that's really amazing when you think about that statement). One day, between February and March we really pissed off the teachers when they were leading us in our exercises. I honestly don't remember, but I remember the result, when ever those two teachers (only two at a time ever monitored the playground) monitored us for recess, we didn't do shiat. They had us stand in line for the entire recess period. No sitting, no talking, nothing. And they did that until the end of the school year. Basically, every third recess (six teachers, two at a time) we just stood there for the entire time. The school condoned it when the parents complained. This is a situation where if I were a parent and my kid was going through that, I'd have a talk with the teacher and principal asking "Honestly, you're punishing kids for being kids." Actually, it wasn't a punishment, this, looking back, is more like a grudge or just revenge and the students paid for it when honestly, it couldn't have been anything we did that warranted every third recess to be pure automatic punishment for three months. And that's not counting other recesses where the teachers got pissed at us and punished us by forcing us to stand there for the entire recess period.

The third grade was better in that we got two recesses and there was no required exercise before getting to play. The downside, the teacher must have been a former nun. When we stepped out of line (we were third graders, honestly, is their any real expectation that we behave all the time?) her punishment was to have us stand in the back of the class with our arms out stretched, parallel to the floor. If we lowered them, even slightly, she slapped us with a yard stick. One day her yard stick broke, we were happy. Brown noser Randal brought her a new one on a Monday. She bragged about it to the class, pointing out who bought her the yard stick and how she was now able to resume her normal punishments. Everyday I got slapped by that yard stick I kicked Randal's ass. I would have had to kick his ass daily, but I wasn't the only one getting slapped. I was so happy to have moved away from there.

07 Dec 2012 03:02 AM
hamfast gamgee     

doglover: Schools need the power to deal with or eject difficult students. Your kid won't cooperate but you didn't sign a waiver? Boom, out. Come get them now or we'll charge you a babysitting fee of 150% a teacher's hourly rate plus a per diem for facilities.

Draging on the floor isn't out of line for dealing with a six year old who is being stubborn. If he was injured, that's one thing, but it's well within reason to physically move a very small child who will not go where you have a legal obligation to have them. If you don't like that, homeschool your snowflake. See where that gets you.

Child abuse is whipping their back bloody with a hickory switch. Child abuse is putting out cigarettes on their forehead. Child abuse is basically anything that happened to school children in the 1800s. But simply dragging a kid who won't go to class? Unless the floor was a cheese grater, I don't see the issue.


Came, basically, for this. Having said that, by parents would have asked for an explanation - then kicked my ass when I got home for giving the teacher grief. It happened once. ONLY ONCE.

/DNRTFA
//Father was a non-com. They don't play that "whiny brat" shiat...

07 Dec 2012 03:53 AM
Guest     
I am a firm believer that there are certain jobs that should be setup in such away that people only get to do the front line work for a few years and are then rotated through administration, research and other duties and a teacher in a school with special children is one of them. These jobs are frustrating and very very draining on a persons physical well being, emotional well being and to be honest empathy.

Jobs in this category are

1. Teachers who work with children with disabilities, especially mental disabilities.
2. People who work with the elderly
3. People who work with children who suffer abuse

I am also sure there are more


Yes there are some who can year in year out work with these people, but many lose empathy and the frustration which is often actually from the patients begins to take over and they get fed up.

Should these people quit their jobs? Yes but we don't live in la la land and people have mortgages to pay, and their own children to afford so they don't quit. No in such work the environment should be set up to give workers period breaks from the front line. That way burnout occurs less often and negligent and often abusive behavior is reduced.

07 Dec 2012 04:05 AM
Guest     

SquiggsIN: 50 years ago this would've been called "tough love" or "discipline"

This isn't even close to child abuse. Far worse things are gotten away with by terrible parents daily.


No this is what your children ask you to do...l.

07 Dec 2012 04:09 AM
gothelder     
Really, they could not find a cop to tase the disagreeable little farker? At least it should be good for a resisting charge.

Hell, he wont even see it coming.

07 Dec 2012 04:38 AM
sexorcisst     
: Protip: Dragging a 6-year-old blind student down a hallway on his back 'because he refused to go to class' is probably not the best way to get him there 

That's not how he sees it.

07 Dec 2012 05:02 AM
LDM90     
If someone took me to class like that when I was 6, I would have been the first one in the door every morning.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

07 Dec 2012 05:03 AM
profplump     

doglover: If he was injured, that's one thing, but it's well within reason to physically move a very small child who will not go where you have a legal obligation to have them.


And apparently it's beyond reason to expect those same people to have even a passing regard for head injuries along the way.

There were 3 adults with professional training in the handling of children involved in the conduction of this small child between classrooms. Are you really suggesting that there was no better way to transport him? Or that these professionals couldn't come up with a safer and more humane way to move a 6-year-old across a building?

For future reference, here's a more objective test for child abuse than your short list of specific activities: would it be a acceptable if you did the same thing to an elderly person under guardianship? Both children and adults under guardianship share the same sort of legal disadvantages and are typically regarded to have similar mental capacities. If you're okay with nursing home staff dragging your belligerent (due to reduced mental capacity), blind grandmother by her ankles to get her from her room to the cafeteria for supper then I can see why you'd accept such treatment for a child. But I suspect you wouldn't be happy with such treatment for a disabled, elderly adult; I'll leave it to your conscience to explain why children don't deserve the same consideration.

07 Dec 2012 05:36 AM
cryinoutloud     
I had a kid like this once. She wasn't blind, but she was autistic, and just generally a pain in the ass. She left the cafeteria one day and sat down in the hallway, and that was that--she wasn't going to move anymore. Apparently it was a common thing, but I was a sub and didn't know what to do about it.

But not being a sub who was born yesterday, I didn't touch her. After attempting to get her to move for a few minutes, I left her there (since the rest of the kids had gone back to class), went and told someone that the kid was in the hall and wouldn't get up. Not my problem.

I quit that job. You aren't allowed to discipline the children, they lie like little criminals (all of them), and no matter what you do, the kids are always right and you did something wrong AND DON'T TOUCH THEM. Worst job I've ever had, and I do some shiat jobs. I'm about to go out and shovel snow this morning, in the dark, in 20 degree weather, and I prefer it to being a substitute teacher.

07 Dec 2012 05:38 AM
profplump     

cryinoutloud: AND DON'T TOUCH THEM


As opposed to supervision of groups in the business world -- or for the sake of argument, criminal detention -- where you're allowed to hit or otherwise physically manipulate employees/inmates under your control anytime they don't do what you want.

/ I know, I know -- children need to be hit, just like dogs and the elderly, otherwise they'll never learn

07 Dec 2012 05:44 AM
rumpelstiltskin    [TotalFark]  
Sgt Dobyns is looking pretty good.

07 Dec 2012 06:27 AM
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