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   City with skyrocketing crime rate decides proper course of action is to disband the police force

07 Dec 2012 02:23 AM   |   8820 clicks   |   NPR
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DanZero    [TotalFark]  
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07 Dec 2012 12:13 AM
cman    [TotalFark]  
On the other hand, the police force does suck ass, so maybe this is a good idea

07 Dec 2012 12:15 AM
ThatGuyGreg     

cman: On the other hand, the police force does suck ass, so maybe this is a good idea


It's a fantastic idea. The local police union has the worst (for us, best for them) contract in the history of police unions. It's being replaced by a county-run force.

Really, it can only get better.

07 Dec 2012 01:07 AM
BarkingUnicorn     
Camden has 230 union cops. They'll get 130 more for the same $65 million.

Doesn't sound like enough, though.

07 Dec 2012 01:59 AM
tomcatadam     
Such is one of the options to dealing with unions. If they honestly feel that they're unable to improve anything because of tight contracts, then this may be their best option, if unpalatable.

07 Dec 2012 02:28 AM
Gyrfalcon     
Small town + intractable union = let the county take over.

There really aren't a lot of other options for small cities with small tax bases.

07 Dec 2012 02:33 AM
The Bestest     

Gyrfalcon: Small town + intractable union = let the county take over.

There really aren't a lot of other options for small cities with small tax bases.


Camden isn't what you'd consider to be "a small town" though.

07 Dec 2012 02:36 AM
Old enough to know better     
And as usual the politicians blame the baaaad ol' unions.

I'd always been under the impression that most police forces don't pay for shiat.

07 Dec 2012 02:48 AM
TheJoe03     
Ugh, reminds me of what's going on up in Oakland. Some cities are going Mad Max on us.

07 Dec 2012 02:50 AM
Perducci     

TheJoe03: Ugh, reminds me of what's going on up in Oakland. Some cities are going Mad Max on us.


I thought this was the plot of Robocop.

07 Dec 2012 02:56 AM
butt-nuggets     
Note to criminals: move to Camden

07 Dec 2012 02:56 AM
Arumat     

The Bestest: Gyrfalcon: Small town + intractable union = let the county take over.

There really aren't a lot of other options for small cities with small tax bases.

Camden isn't what you'd consider to be "a small town" though.


Perhaps not, but it has the tax base of a much smaller town, going by the article. Drug dealers don't pay a whole lot of income tax, after all, nor do they collect sales tax.

07 Dec 2012 02:57 AM
esteban9     
The goal is privatization, as always.

07 Dec 2012 02:58 AM
mattg     
OCP

07 Dec 2012 02:58 AM
TomD9938     

TheJoe03: Some cities are going Mad Max on us.


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"Just take off the day."

/ with pay...

07 Dec 2012 03:00 AM
planes     
The cop shown needs a badder hat. Who is he going to scare with that silly thing on his head?

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07 Dec 2012 03:02 AM
HBK     

Perducci: TheJoe03: Ugh, reminds me of what's going on up in Oakland. Some cities are going Mad Max on us.

I thought this was the plot of Robocop.


And Kuffs.

07 Dec 2012 03:03 AM
o'really     
30 percent absentee rate every day? Holy shiat.

07 Dec 2012 03:07 AM
MrEricSir     

TheJoe03: Ugh, reminds me of what's going on up in Oakland.


Exactly what I came here to say. Seems like Camden is the East Coast version of Oakland.

07 Dec 2012 03:07 AM
sycraft     
Ya well, this is what happens if you get too greedy with contracts. The money has to come from somewhere and if the city can't afford it, then that's what it is.

Makes sense if the county can offer much cheaper policing to go with that.

07 Dec 2012 03:11 AM
CuttySupreme     
They could just solve the problem permanently and deport all the black people to Africa.

07 Dec 2012 03:11 AM
doglover    [TotalFark]  
A 4% increase for a day shift and a 10% increase for a night shift? That's weasel words. What they actually get is a 5.6% bump at night.

I'm suspect of the article's slant.

07 Dec 2012 03:14 AM
Bennie Crabtree     

sycraft: Ya well, this is what happens if you get too greedy with contracts. The money has to come from somewhere and if the city can't afford it, then that's what it is.

Makes sense if the county can offer much cheaper policing to go with that.


esteban9: The goal is privatization, as always.


ThatGuyGreg: cman: On the other hand, the police force does suck ass, so maybe this is a good idea

It's a fantastic idea. The local police union has the worst (for us, best for them) contract in the history of police unions. It's being replaced by a county-run force.

Really, it can only get better.


I hardly see what police incompetence and a city full of citizens who are shooting each other and raping each other at "third world rates" have to do with overpaid unions. Is there some point where a city's unions are overpaid, and suddenly everyone decides to rape and shoot each other?

This thread is like all those college freshman orientations that teach women "How to protect yourself" instead of teaching men "Don't rape." Only its some farked up neoconservative Republican 1% version.

07 Dec 2012 03:18 AM
o'really     
Sounds like camden's a lot worse off than oakland. Oak-town still has a pretty large tax base of wealthy residents, and legitimate jobs and successful businesses do exist. Camden sounds more like detroit than oakland to me.

Police unions fought dirty in my city this last election. They were bitter as hell that the mayor wanted to amend their benefits, but their perks are absurd. Most retire on fat pensions, making more money than when they were working.

07 Dec 2012 03:19 AM
BronyMedic     
What this REALLY means is that the Camden County Sheriff Department will now take over all police duties for the city of Camden by state law. As a byproduct, they are now under no obligation to honor the contracts of their currently employed officers, and the Sheriff department can hire them back at a drastically reduced benefits and pay rate.

What else are you going to do? Public servants deserve a fair amount of Benefits and a living wage, but Camden is one of those areas where they are paid relatively more than people would make in larger cities.

07 Dec 2012 03:19 AM
BronyMedic     

esteban9: The goal is privatization, as always.


What?

You cannot privatize a police department. Rural/Metro tried to do it in the 70s in Arizona, IIRC, and the courts banned them from doing so.

07 Dec 2012 03:20 AM
SpinStopper     
Let God sort 'em out.

*gigglesnort*

Yeah, that'll work just great on THIS plane of existence ;)

07 Dec 2012 03:21 AM
Notabunny    [TotalFark]  

o'really: 30 percent absentee rate every day? Holy shiat.


Not unusual. Injury, illness, vacation, training, etc. Idunno. Camden may even count time spend in court and qualifying at the range. Then there's all the time Camden officers spend interviewing for jobs to get the hell out of Camden. That's prolly a big chunk right there.

07 Dec 2012 03:24 AM
911Jenny     

Old enough to know better: And as usual the politicians blame the baaaad ol' unions.

I'd always been under the impression that most police forces don't pay for shiat.


In my city the fire department are the city darlings. New equipment, new hires etc while the officers are driving squads that are breaking down. Both unions went thru negations a few years ago at the same time. PD guys retired and whatnot to help the younger guys stay on and so they wouldn't get boned on their contract. FD had a tantrum and none of them retired. They do get paid significantly more while the city continues to throw money at them. It's crazy the shenanigans they get away with.

07 Dec 2012 03:25 AM
Notabunny    [TotalFark]  
So the citizens of Camden are going to see a big drop in their taxes, right?

07 Dec 2012 03:26 AM
Abacus9     

CuttySupreme: They could just solve the problem permanently and deport all the black people to Africa.


0/10

07 Dec 2012 03:27 AM
911Jenny     
*negotiations
Not negations

/remember, preview is your friend

07 Dec 2012 03:27 AM
BronyMedic     

Notabunny: o'really: 30 percent absentee rate every day? Holy shiat.

Not unusual. Injury, illness, vacation, training, etc. Idunno. Camden may even count time spend in court and qualifying at the range. Then there's all the time Camden officers spend interviewing for jobs to get the hell out of Camden. That's prolly a big chunk right there.


Or Retirement.

The local departments around here only pay out 15 days, or up to 5,000 dollars, which-ever comes first, of your accrued sick leave days. There are some guys on the department when they come up to retire who have two to three years of sick leave accrued after working there 20 or 30 years, and they will never get paid for it.

It's pretty common for people to suddenly "get sick" a year before they are retiring, and ride that year out while getting paid for it.

07 Dec 2012 03:27 AM
BronyMedic     

911Jenny: Old enough to know better: And as usual the politicians blame the baaaad ol' unions.

I'd always been under the impression that most police forces don't pay for shiat.

In my city the fire department are the city darlings. New equipment, new hires etc while the officers are driving squads that are breaking down. Both unions went thru negations a few years ago at the same time. PD guys retired and whatnot to help the younger guys stay on and so they wouldn't get boned on their contract. FD had a tantrum and none of them retired. They do get paid significantly more while the city continues to throw money at them. It's crazy the shenanigans they get away with.


FD's like that everywhere now. Cities are getting pissed off they're paying for firefighters to set at their station 24 hours a day, and maybe make one or two structure fire runs a month. It's why the IAFF is pushing departments to take over EMS operations in their jurisdictions, so they can justify their personnel budgets, and be less attractive for lay-offs and budget cuts.

Oh, and they don't have to hire the EMS guys who have been there, in some cases, for decades working those ambulances.

07 Dec 2012 03:33 AM
Maybe you should drive     
As a police detective, and a member of the board of my police union, I am struck by the number of officers per capita I saw in this article. I live and work in California and I admit I don't know the first thing about Camden, but it does seem like they have an extraordinary number of officers for the population. Camden does sound like a shiathole but the city I work in also has a ridiculous crime rate (one of the worst in the state). We don't hold the community hostage, though.

07 Dec 2012 03:33 AM
starsrift     

Maybe you should drive: As a police detective, and a member of the board of my police union, I am struck by the number of officers per capita I saw in this article. I live and work in California and I admit I don't know the first thing about Camden, but it does seem like they have an extraordinary number of officers for the population. Camden does sound like a shiathole but the city I work in also has a ridiculous crime rate (one of the worst in the state). We don't hold the community hostage, though.


230 cops for 80k people sounded like a lot to me, too. I guess the salient point is that if there's open-air drug bazaars, that's not enough cops.

07 Dec 2012 03:41 AM
Maybe you should drive     

starsrift: 230 cops for 80k people sounded like a lot to me, too. I guess the salient point is that if there's open-air drug bazaars, that's not enough cops


We have about 2/3 the officers but a population nearly three times that of Camden

07 Dec 2012 03:47 AM
sexorcisst     
They need a Batman.

07 Dec 2012 03:48 AM
BronyMedic     

HammerHeadSnark: [i995.photobucket.com image 279x378]

Does this guy look like a World War II German submarine captain . . . or is it just me?


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Say what you want about the Nazis, they're snazzy dressers.

07 Dec 2012 03:52 AM
Clutch2013     

HBK: Perducci: TheJoe03: Ugh, reminds me of what's going on up in Oakland. Some cities are going Mad Max on us.

I thought this was the plot of Robocop.

And Kuffs.


Everything about that movie was terrible. Except for Tony Goldwyn. And Milla Jovovich (at least, I think she was in it. It was such a bit part, I really can't remember).

07 Dec 2012 03:53 AM
OnlyM3     
Bennie Crabtree

This thread is like all those college freshman orientations that teach women "How to protect yourself" instead of teaching men "Don't rape." Only its some farked up neoconservative Republican 1% version
Because if there's any state that is under the iron fist of "neoconservative Republican 1%-ers" it's New Jersey

07 Dec 2012 03:54 AM
Princess Ryans Knickers     
So help me out here Republicans. Should I be on the city's side against the evil union or should I be on the police side for law and order?

07 Dec 2012 03:56 AM
HBK     

Clutch2013: HBK: Perducci: TheJoe03: Ugh, reminds me of what's going on up in Oakland. Some cities are going Mad Max on us.

I thought this was the plot of Robocop.

And Kuffs.

Everything about that movie was terrible. Except for Tony Goldwyn. And Milla Jovovich (at least, I think she was in it. It was such a bit part, I really can't remember).


Yeah, I had to IMDB it just now to see if it was as terrible as I remembered it. It was worse.

07 Dec 2012 04:01 AM
o'really     
I thought 230 was high too, so I looked up the number of cops for my city. We have about 1 police officer for every 1000 residents. Camden has triple that. But I assume they need them.

07 Dec 2012 04:25 AM
jtown     

Arumat: The Bestest: Gyrfalcon: Small town + intractable union = let the county take over.

There really aren't a lot of other options for small cities with small tax bases.

Camden isn't what you'd consider to be "a small town" though.

Perhaps not, but it has the tax base of a much smaller town, going by the article. Drug dealers don't pay a whole lot of income tax, after all, nor do they collect sales tax.


They're supposed to.

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07 Dec 2012 04:28 AM
CujoQuarrel     

CuttySupreme: They could just solve the problem permanently and deport all the black people to Africa.


That's silly
You'd also have to deport all the illegals back to their home country
And do something with the rednecks. (Deport them to West Virginia?)

07 Dec 2012 04:31 AM
Bennie Crabtree     

OnlyM3: Bennie Crabtree

This thread is like all those college freshman orientations that teach women "How to protect yourself" instead of teaching men "Don't rape." Only its some farked up neoconservative Republican 1% version Because if there's any state that is under the iron fist of "neoconservative Republican 1%-ers" it's New Jersey


I'm just saying that rather than fire the police and then hire on county level police, they should fire the police and then hire a battalion of part time group therapy counsellors and five squadrons of sensitivity training wings. Give all the criminals red pinnies and all the victims blue pinnies and at the strike of midnight, blow a lifeguard whistle really loud and release them all into the biggest shopping mall they've got. Jam some chairs up against the doors so they can't get out and may God have mercy on their souls.

07 Dec 2012 04:36 AM
Darth Vader Ginsburg     
Camden >/= East St Louis

07 Dec 2012 04:57 AM
I sound fat     

cman: On the other hand, the police force does suck ass, so maybe this is a good idea


You gonna take a job being a cop in camden?

07 Dec 2012 05:55 AM
fredbox     
Backlogs of murder investigations, but he still has the time to bust a chick for buying a dime of heroin, huh?

Just in case anyone had any question where national law enforcement priorities are. Good thing nobody was smoking a joint nearby, they'd have had the whole force down there.

07 Dec 2012 06:15 AM
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