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   U.S. Bases in the Pacific vulnerable to a bolt-from-the-blue military attack. This is not a repeat from 71 years ago

07 Dec 2012 12:30 PM   |   9309 clicks   |   CNN
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wxboy    [TotalFark]  
This just in: Surprise attacks against stationary targets are often successful. The trick is achieving surprise.

07 Dec 2012 12:08 PM
Elzar     
God farking dammit get me some defense spending yesterday! Don't want those japs koreans ruskies chinese catching us by suprise...

/ No welfare like red state defense welfare

07 Dec 2012 12:12 PM
Marcus Aurelius     
The People's Liberation Army (PLA) now possesses the means, the motives, and the opportunities to deliver disabling blows against U.S. bases in Japan where the bulk of American military power in Asia is concentrated

Ummm, I hate to break this to the author, but ever since 1964, the Chinese have had these things called "nuclear weapons" that are mounted on things called "ballistic missiles". They can strike almost anywhere in the world, including our bases in the Pacific.

Scary, huh?

07 Dec 2012 12:14 PM
Ennuipoet    [TotalFark]  

Marcus Aurelius: They can strike almost anywhere in the world, including our bases in the Pacific.


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I know, let's spend a lot of money on some sort of space based thingy to shoot 'em down with! That could work!

07 Dec 2012 12:22 PM
MaudlinMutantMollusk    [TotalFark]  
WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!111!!!!

//FFS, STFU and GBTW

07 Dec 2012 12:25 PM
zerkalo     
What are selling, Mr. Military-Industrial Complex dude?

07 Dec 2012 12:34 PM
Nick Nostril     
1) Why would the Chinese want to take over America? This is the place they keep sending all their toxic waste to in the form of Barbie dolls and cheap electronic shiat that breaks after a week. This place will be uninhabitable in 20 years.

2) The runways at Midway Island have bushes growing out of them, FFS. Someone get some landscapers out there, stat!

07 Dec 2012 12:35 PM
TofuTheAlmighty     
The timing of this article is no way related military spending cuts scheduled to begin in three weeks.

It's not welfare when taxpayer largess benefits military contractors!

07 Dec 2012 12:35 PM
Krieghund     
That's why we pay for a Department of State and a Central Intelligence Agency.

The Department of State keeps up good relationships with as many countries as possible, so they don't want to attack us.
The CIA keeps an eye out to make sure an attack wouldn't be a surprise.

07 Dec 2012 12:35 PM
Wicked Chinchilla     
Headline should be:
"This just in: military installations are vulnerable to attacks from which they are not prepared"
and submitted with an obvious tag.

That's why surprise attacks are so devastating. They are a surprise. The alternative is 24/7 alert which is a greater detriment to security over time because it tires people out and if your "on alert" all the time, it makes people think nothing ever happens on alert status. Plus its cost prohibitive.

07 Dec 2012 12:36 PM
Fizpez     
So we're worried about a surprise non-nuclear attack on our bases/forces and allies in Japan. Yep, there's no way that would be answered with nuclear weapons - nope, none at all.

07 Dec 2012 12:37 PM
generallyso     
Yes CNN, I'm sure China is going to start a war with the US.

07 Dec 2012 12:38 PM
buckeyebrain     
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07 Dec 2012 12:38 PM
HMS_Blinkin     
What possible motive would the Chinese have for launching an offensive operation that would probably fail in the long run? Other than maybe taking back Taiwan, they just don't have any desires to gain territory. In fact, their interests are served by keeping our military policing the world----it makes it safer for them to conduct trade, and we foot the bill. If they knock out our military, they'll have to start policing the world's oceans.

07 Dec 2012 12:38 PM
BigNumber12     
Horseshiat. China has no incentive to do it, and in fact has significant disincentive. And they know what the counter-attack would look like, that our reach is muuuuuuch longer than theirs.

07 Dec 2012 12:39 PM
Nick Nostril     

zerkalo: What are selling, Mr. Military-Industrial Complex dude?


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Told ya, you farkers.

07 Dec 2012 12:39 PM
BigNumber12     

HMS_Blinkin: In fact, their interests are served by keeping our military policing the world----it makes it safer for them to conduct trade, and we foot the bill.



This. They were perfectly happy to quietly move into Afghanistan to start exploiting the mineral resources while everyone was still focused on the U.S.

07 Dec 2012 12:41 PM
ChipNASA    [TotalFark]  
Farkers: China, China, China....

Reality:

WHAT ABOUT BEST KOREA?!?!??!?!

/that's no shiat.

07 Dec 2012 12:41 PM
H31N0US     
Had we the nuclear capabilities of today in 1945, Japan would have never looked eastward for expansion.

I don't think China is that dumb.

07 Dec 2012 12:43 PM
dittybopper    [TotalFark]  

HMS_Blinkin: What possible motive would the Chinese have for launching an offensive operation that would probably fail in the long run?


Right now? None.

That doesn't mean they might not have one 5 or 10 years from now.

07 Dec 2012 12:44 PM
you have pee hands     
I say we remove all our bases from Japan and sell them more Aegis boats. WWII was 70 years ago, FFS.

07 Dec 2012 12:45 PM
SirEattonHogg     
These guys with military think tanks are supposed to come up with all sort of scenarios. They write papers on these things. MIlitary draws up plans and maybe even does wargames based on them. Remember that war plan from earlier last century our government had against a UK/Canada invasion? Whether there is any real chance of these things happening is another story.

When I was in college and Germany was reunifying (I'm old) we had a speaker come in from a think tank institution who just published a paper in one of the foreign policy journals about how an isolated Russia pissed off at a newly unified Germany could start cold war part II and lead to another European land war. Likely scenario?

OTOH, CNN printing this as a newsworthy item is sort of stupid.

07 Dec 2012 12:46 PM
hdhale     
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Billy Mitchell is unavailable for comment...though I wish he were.

07 Dec 2012 12:47 PM
LeroyBourne     
Don't try and scare me CNN, I know the military complex is going bananas right now over all the funding it's going to lose at the end of the year.

07 Dec 2012 12:49 PM
one of Ripley's Bad Guys     
firstest with the mostest, CNN - you put bases where you need them.

07 Dec 2012 12:52 PM
dittybopper    [TotalFark]  

H31N0US: Had we the nuclear capabilities of today in 1945, Japan would have never looked eastward for expansion.

I don't think China is that dumb.


That depends. The PRC has some serious structural, erm, challenges that they are going to have deal with. Things like the majority of their commercial loans being worthless, tens of millions of marriage age men without corresponding women (due to the "One Child" policy and selective abortions). So far, they've been able to keep those problems at bay by growing at double digit rates, but that can't last forever. When their economy crashes, as it must at some point, they are going to have a major problem with internal unrest. When that happens, they may look to an outside enemy to focus the attention of the people away from their empty bellies and empty beds.

That is the scenario

07 Dec 2012 12:53 PM
brnt00     
As long as we don't get involved in a land war in Asia.

07 Dec 2012 12:53 PM
ChipNASA    [TotalFark]  
GUAM IS GOING TO TIP OVER!
/ahhhhhhhhh we're all going to die!

07 Dec 2012 12:56 PM
SweetHomeNowhere     

ChipNASA: Farkers: China, China, China....

Reality:

WHAT ABOUT BEST KOREA?!?!??!?!

/that's no shiat.


Best Korea isn't the biggest concern right now. South Korea will have a hardliner nationalist as a president and she (yes, a daughter of a Communist dictator who allied with the USA) will most likely disturb China, Japan, and North Korea simultaneously. Japan will likely have an anti-American ultra-nationalist party in power sooner or later.

We always think that North Korea is a problem in Asia without questioning. I think we need to change our approach.

Besides, North Korea's existence helps selling weapons to Japan and South Korea. The Western world definitely needs to keep North Korea as a valuable secret ally to keep selling weapons.

07 Dec 2012 12:56 PM
QingdaoBeerIsGood     
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07 Dec 2012 12:57 PM
maudibjr    [TotalFark]  
First consider the means. The Chinese military can now lock their crosshairs on Japan, home to the largest U.S. naval and air bases in the world.

Naval Station Norfolk is the worlds largest naval base.

07 Dec 2012 12:58 PM
SirEattonHogg     
So, we've established that China has no interest in US territory? Good, we haven't gone insane... yet.

But, I'm surprised I am the first one to mention this. While unlikely, there are plenty of reasons we may end up in a war with China. They decide to take Taiwan. They back North Korea on a conflict with South Korea. They get into a war with Japan over those little islands. They get into a war with the Philippines, Vietnam, etc. over the Spratley Islands.

We have treaties with almost all of the above countries to assist on defense.

If China went to war on the above issues, either its going to go into overtime on diplomacy to keep us out and its counting on us to not back our allies (a good bet) OR they need to consider striking our bases in Asia to stop our response.

07 Dec 2012 12:58 PM
Cubicle Jockey     
Bolt from The Blue?

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To be fair, I don't think our shields can repel that level of firepower.

07 Dec 2012 01:00 PM
Eddie Adams from Torrance    [TotalFark]  
Between our current trade imbalance and the fairly significant debt we owe to China, bombing us or Japan would be a bad investment for them.

We're their best customer and will be for a long time.

07 Dec 2012 01:03 PM
Mad_Radhu     
It's kind of hard to mount a sneak attack against someone that has radar and satellite surveillance.

Also, am I missing something, or does the Chinese "stealth" just seem to not actually have any actual stealth features? It generally apes the shape of the F-22/F-35, but it seems like it is missing a lot of the details that actually make a plane low observable.

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For example, the cockpit has a frame that is flat in the front, while the F-22 and F-35 both have canopy frame that are faceted where they meet the body of the jet to reduce radar returns. 

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You also have those big round engine nozzles, instead of the F-22 style nozzles. From everything I've read about the subject, attention to those small details matters almost as much in determining what the RCS is going to be of a stealth aircraft than the final shape of the aircraft. There is also advanced materials like carbon fiber and radar absorbing paint that also factors into the equation, so I have a gut feeling that the J-31 actually has a pretty large RCS compared to the American stealths. It honestly might not even be that lower than a traditional aircraft, and if I had to guess I'd think that it would be somewhere in the neighborhood of an F-15 Silent Eagle or an F-18 Super Hornet, which adds some stealthy features on to a traditional airframe.

07 Dec 2012 01:03 PM
Suede head     
Oh No! Quick, take even more of my money, military-industrial complex! We only spend more than the next ten nations put together! The poor, the sick, the uneducated? Fark 'em! Our crumbling infrastructure and potholed roads and failing schools? Fark 'em! Give me yet more military spending NOW!

07 Dec 2012 01:05 PM
JackieRabbit     
Where the hell is the Obvious tag or is Subby just a fraidy-pants? US military installations vulnerable to attack by cruise and ballistic missiles? Well this has certainly never been a possibility, has it. CNN is almost as pathetic as Faux.

07 Dec 2012 01:09 PM
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07 Dec 2012 01:19 PM
Apik0r0s     

generallyso: Yes CNN, I'm sure China is going to start a war with the US.



Trading partners have never made war on each other, never in history. Right? Only like, usually. Kissinger and Nixon though we could kiss the Chicom ass, give them Haber-Bosch instead of letting them starve and that they would appreciate us for it. Fat farking chance.

The Chicom already believes they are at war with the West. They openly refer to the trade relationship with the US as an Economic War.

The Chicom is building offensive weapons at a fantastic rate.

The Chicom needs oil. Needs it badly.

The Han Chicom believes himself to be the racial and cultural superior of everyone else on the planet and that it is his destiny to bring forced abortion and political re-education camps to every corner of the globe.

07 Dec 2012 01:24 PM
vudukungfu    [TotalFark]  
Just the military industrial complex looking to fill their "supplies" closet.
The only boogie man is poverty.

07 Dec 2012 01:26 PM
bubo_sibiricus     
This time, China - armed with a large and growing arsenal of ballistic and cruise missiles - is poised to reprise Pearl Harbor. The People's Liberation Army (PLA) now possesses the means, the motives, and the opportunities to deliver disabling blows against U.S. bases in Japan where the bulk of American military power in Asia is concentrated.

>motives

What motives? Really, what motives? What possible non-crazy motive would China have to attack us or our allies in Asia and the Pacific?

This doesn't even pass the belly laugh test.

This is about money. This is about the money that Romney promised the military, but since he didn't win the elecion, these propaganda pieces come out to "force" Obama to spend more in Asia. This is truly what Ike warned about.

07 Dec 2012 01:28 PM
TheOther     
TFA: Toshi Yoshihara

07 Dec 2012 01:30 PM
bubo_sibiricus     

Apik0r0s: The Han Chicom believes himself to be the racial and cultural superior of everyone else on the planet and that it is his destiny to bring forced abortion and political re-education camps to every corner of the globe.


Meth is a hell of a drug.

07 Dec 2012 01:30 PM
SurelyShirley     
This won't be a problem if we simply double our defense spending, which will be paid for easily if we keep the Bush tax cuts in place and remove the unbearable burden of corporate taxes on our defense industry.

07 Dec 2012 01:31 PM
funmonger     
These people owe royalties to Tom Clancy.

07 Dec 2012 01:32 PM
funmonger     

Apik0r0s: The Han Chicom believes himself to be the racial and cultural superior of everyone else on the planet and that it is his destiny to bring forced abortion and political re-education camps to every corner of the globe.


Poe's law just kicked me in the face.

07 Dec 2012 01:33 PM
Non-evil Monkey     

dittybopper: H31N0US: Had we the nuclear capabilities of today in 1945, Japan would have never looked eastward for expansion.

I don't think China is that dumb.

That depends. The PRC has some serious structural, erm, challenges that they are going to have deal with. Things like the majority of their commercial loans being worthless, tens of millions of marriage age men without corresponding women (due to the "One Child" policy and selective abortions). So far, they've been able to keep those problems at bay by growing at double digit rates, but that can't last forever. When their economy crashes, as it must at some point, they are going to have a major problem with internal unrest. When that happens, they may look to an outside enemy to focus the attention of the people away from their empty bellies and empty beds.

That is the scenario


Perhaps, but I don't think China would go for the US, at least not right away.

At least initially they'd focus on other countries in Southeast Asia that lack strong ties to the West. We'd protest, but as long as they stayed away from countries like Japan or the Philippians we'd probably look the other way. They would want easy victories for propaganda purposes, not a conflict with a superpower where the chances of them coming out ahead long-term are just about zero.

While it's unlikely the US could straight-up conquer China, partially because of it's huge land area and population and partially because we are perhaps the worst imperialists in the history of the planet (which is probably a good thing for the most part), all we'd have to do is turn back their offensives to declare victory.

07 Dec 2012 01:34 PM
Mad_Radhu     

Apik0r0s: generallyso: Yes CNN, I'm sure China is going to start a war with the US.


Trading partners have never made war on each other, never in history. Right? Only like, usually. Kissinger and Nixon though we could kiss the Chicom ass, give them Haber-Bosch instead of letting them starve and that they would appreciate us for it. Fat farking chance.

The Chicom already believes they are at war with the West. They openly refer to the trade relationship with the US as an Economic War.

The Chicom is building offensive weapons at a fantastic rate.

The Chicom needs oil. Needs it badly.

The Han Chicom believes himself to be the racial and cultural superior of everyone else on the planet and that it is his destiny to bring forced abortion and political re-education camps to every corner of the globe.



Shouldn't they be called Chicaps now? Yes, they are totalitarian in their government, but it's hard to call them Communist now when they are pretty much a free-market capitalist's paradise when it comes to providing cheap labor with few worker protections and no unions. It's basically a Randian wet dream over there run by their country's 1%, and the Party is nothing more than an old boy's club of the country's elite.

07 Dec 2012 01:35 PM
Diogenes Teufelsdrockh     
6/21/1942

Never Forget!
 

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