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   You're driving drunk, you mow down an elderly man in the street and you get 5 years probation. Sounds about right

07 Dec 2012 10:33 PM   |   5076 clicks   |   NYPost
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cman    [TotalFark]  
I love this game of GTA

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07 Dec 2012 08:26 PM
Lsherm    [TotalFark]  
Demitrios Matsoukatidis, 67, pleaded guilty to vehicular manslaughter today for the death of 89-year-old Aldama Lizardo, who was innocently crossing the street in his Astoria neighborhood on Feb 7.

He's Greek and over the age of 60. While he's culturally obligated to be somewhat drunk 24/7, in NY he really shouldn't have to drive anywhere.

Anyone have better information about the accident? Was there another reason he got off easy? Was the old man crossing in the middle of a block?

07 Dec 2012 08:41 PM
IAmRight     
Eh, killing someone at age 89 is doing 'em a favor in most cases.

07 Dec 2012 10:38 PM
Indubitably     
Wrong.

07 Dec 2012 10:39 PM
BigLuca    [TotalFark]  
Demitrios Matsoukatidis, 67, pleaded guilty to vehicular manslaughter today for the death of 89-year-old Aldama Lizardo...

I wish my last name was Lizardo... :-(

07 Dec 2012 10:39 PM
Goodfella     
What was the perp's name, Laura Bush?

07 Dec 2012 10:40 PM
Fart_Machine     
Being the NY Post I'm sure there's more to this story than what's in the article.

07 Dec 2012 10:44 PM
crabsno termites     
FTA: ". . . five years probation . . ."

/Maths am hard.

07 Dec 2012 10:44 PM
Jedekai     

BigLuca: Demitrios Matsoukatidis, 67, pleaded guilty to vehicular manslaughter today for the death of 89-year-old Aldama Lizardo...

I wish my last name was Lizardo... :-(


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07 Dec 2012 10:52 PM
Mega Steve     
If the driver had been carrying a quarter bag of weed, he would have gotten 10 years.

07 Dec 2012 10:52 PM
MattyFridays     
I'm guessing the mitigating circumstance is that the gentleman he hit was jaywalking. Same reason why the Browns player got off light.

07 Dec 2012 10:55 PM
phrawgh     
As the cars roar into Pennsylvania, the cradle of liberty, it seems apparent that our citizens are staying off the streets, which may make scoring particularly difficult, even with this year's rule changes. To recap those revisions: women are still worth 10 points more than men in all age brackets, but teenagers now rack up 40 points, and toddlers under 12 now rate a big 70 points. The big score: anyone, any sex, over 75 years old has been upped to 100 points.

07 Dec 2012 10:56 PM
stonelotus     

Jedekai: BigLuca: Demitrios Matsoukatidis, 67, pleaded guilty to vehicular manslaughter today for the death of 89-year-old Aldama Lizardo...

I wish my last name was Lizardo... :-(

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came for this. leaving satisfied.

07 Dec 2012 11:00 PM
astouffer     

phrawgh: As the cars roar into Pennsylvania, the cradle of liberty, it seems apparent that our citizens are staying off the streets, which may make scoring particularly difficult, even with this year's rule changes. To recap those revisions: women are still worth 10 points more than men in all age brackets, but teenagers now rack up 40 points, and toddlers under 12 now rate a big 70 points. The big score: anyone, any sex, over 75 years old has been upped to 100 points.


For a while the city of Pittsburgh was on a jaywalking crackdown. For good reason too because people around here really have no idea how to cross the street. Most of the time they just stroll out into traffic expecting cars to stop.

07 Dec 2012 11:01 PM
bunner     
At least he wasn't some homeless, deaf wood carver with a pocket knife. That's a whole magazine in the back, there.

07 Dec 2012 11:02 PM
doglover    [TotalFark]  

phrawgh: As the cars roar into Pennsylvania, the cradle of liberty, it seems apparent that our citizens are staying off the streets, which may make scoring particularly difficult, even with this year's rule changes. To recap those revisions: women are still worth 10 points more than men in all age brackets, but teenagers now rack up 40 points, and toddlers under 12 now rate a big 70 points. The big score: anyone, any sex, over 75 years old has been upped to 100 points.


Heh!

07 Dec 2012 11:08 PM
Bit'O'Gristle     
Demitrios Matsoukatidis, 67, pleaded guilty to vehicular manslaughter today for the death of 89-year-old Aldama Lizardo, who was innocently crossing the street in his Astoria neighborhood on Feb 7.

Wait a farking minute. He KILLS a innocent person while driving in a drunken stupor, and gets probation? And a few classes to go to? Is this the worth of a innocent life? Jesus our criminal justice system is broken. A guy gets busted 7 times for dui, never having hurt anyone..and gets life in prison with no parole, this guy KILLS someone and gets probation. It boggels the mind the level of retardation our justice system has in it.

07 Dec 2012 11:10 PM
BitwiseShift     
On the other hand, if Lizardo had been a retired cop, especially NYPD, no telling what the sentence would have been.

07 Dec 2012 11:14 PM
IHadMeAVision     

Lsherm:
He's Greek and over the age of 60. While he's culturally obligated to be somewhat drunk 24/7, in NY he really shouldn't have to drive anywhere.

Anyone have better information about the accident? Was there another reason he got off easy? Was the old man crossing in the middle of a block?


My mom's landlord (my old landlord, yay for independence) is a Greek guy over 60--good God he's a cabbie.

Anyway there's I live in SW Queens, which means if it's after 7pm my ass is driving to Manhattan, it'll take way shorter than the frig after 7 in Manhattan is a breeze as long as you know how to parallel park.

07 Dec 2012 11:17 PM
Happy Hours     

Fart_Machine: Being the NY Post I'm sure there's more to this story than what's in the article.


Yeah, I love the objective reporting.

A boozed-up Queens man accused of mowing down an elderly pedestrian

will only serve five years probation and attend a slew of court-ordered programs.


innocently crossing

Okay, so he was drunk and should not have been driving, but having been a pedestrian many times myself I know to look both ways before I cross the street. I know that as a pedestrian I can't expect drivers to act rationally or stop for me. Even though I jaywalked as a pedestrian I know I'm supposed to cross streets in a crosswalk. I've been chastised by cops for putting one foot in the street in anticipation of getting a pedestrian signal.

What do you people want? Prison time for the driver? He's getting 5 years probation, 4 work-weeks of community service, at least 2 separate classes and an ignition interlock.

Yeah, that sounds about right. It's not overly harsh, but it's not lenient either.

But wait, here's the confusing part. It says he will be sentenced on March 8, but the farking article says what his sentence will be. Really? Why even hold court for his sentence if it's already been decided? 

It's almost as if justice is a game.

07 Dec 2012 11:17 PM
ajgeek    [TotalFark]  
Whelp, I smell vigilante justice.

/don't look at me. I live quite far from there.

07 Dec 2012 11:18 PM
IHadMeAVision     
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/747 5042/81153467#c81153467" target="_blank">IHadMeAVision</a>:</b> <i>Lsherm:
He's Greek and over the age of 60. While he's culturally obligated to be somewhat drunk 24/7, in NY he really shouldn't have to drive anywhere.

Anyone have better information about the accident? Was there another reason he got off easy? Was the old man crossing in the middle of a block?

My mom's landlord (my old landlord, yay for independence) is a Greek guy over 60--good God he's a cabbie.

Anyway there's I live in SW Queens, which means if it's after 7pm my ass is driving to Manhattan, it'll take way shorter than the frig after 7 in Manhattan is a breeze as long as you know how to parallel park.</i>

Sorry my keyboard is farked, I meant "shorter than the frigGIN J TRAIN after 7pm"

My point was driving in NYC is not as useless as everyone thinks it is, My 7 mile commute takes 13 minutes and my 13 mile commute takes 20, both by car, though admittedly at odd hours since I'm in the restaurant biz.

07 Dec 2012 11:20 PM
UsikFark     
I was expecting an actual lawn mower was involved.

07 Dec 2012 11:23 PM
Happy Hours     

astouffer: For a while the city of Pittsburgh was on a jaywalking crackdown. For good reason too because people around here really have no idea how to cross the street. Most of the time they just stroll out into traffic expecting cars to stop.


I suggest they hang out around 5000 Forbes Avenue. I'd bet there is some pedestrian jaywalking around there right at this minute. Also they should focus on Forbes a few blocks down where all the Pitt students hang out. I don't think they're any smarter than the kids at CMU.

07 Dec 2012 11:26 PM
Nightenstaff     
FTA: "... and install an ignition interlock into his car."

Wow. They didn't even suspend the guy's license for any amount of time.

07 Dec 2012 11:33 PM
TomD9938     

IHadMeAVision: driving in NYC is not as useless as everyone thinks it is


I've always wondered how it works for people who have to drive because they need their full set of tools, ladders, etc..

I do service at restaurant/retail/corporate sites and even around Minneapolis, it's hard to do more than 4 calls a day, thanks to traffic and the random locations that service calls tend to pop up in.

Seems like two calls a day (or even one) would be a reasonable achievement for a tech in the NYC metro.

07 Dec 2012 11:35 PM
talkertopc     
FTA: "A boozed-up Queens man accused of mowing down an elderly pedestrian earlier this year will only serve five years probation and attend a slew of court-ordered programs." ... "Family members of Lizardo are expected to give victim impact statements at sentencing."

How do we know that he was sentenced to 5 years of probations + court ordered programs if the sentencing has yet to occur?

07 Dec 2012 11:38 PM
UsikFark     

talkertopc: FTA: "A boozed-up Queens man accused of mowing down an elderly pedestrian earlier this year will only serve five years probation and attend a slew of court-ordered programs." ... "Family members of Lizardo are expected to give victim impact statements at sentencing."

How do we know that he was sentenced to 5 years of probations + court ordered programs if the sentencing has yet to occur?


It's the New York Post. You think they even read the articles?

07 Dec 2012 11:41 PM
PC LOAD LETTER    [TotalFark]  

Mega Steve: If the driver had been carrying a quarter bag of weed, he would have gotten 10 years.


Came in here to say this.

07 Dec 2012 11:42 PM
Aquapope     

Happy Hours: But wait, here's the confusing part. It says he will be sentenced on March 8, but the farking article says what his sentence will be. Really? Why even hold court for his sentence if it's already been decided?


Because that gives him time to complete the community service, the booze classes, and have the interlock in effect for enough to time to show he's using it (in KS, you have to have it checked monthly to show the interlock works AND that the vehicle is being used, so you don't just drive a different car).

Still, I think this is a light sentence - the kind of thing you would give to somebody who DIDN'T kill somebody. He ought to pay a monstrous fine and spend 6-12 months in jail.

07 Dec 2012 11:42 PM
Loren     

Lsherm: Anyone have better information about the accident? Was there another reason he got off easy? Was the old man crossing in the middle of a block?


Yeah, that's what I was thinking also. When you see very low punishments for DUI fatalities it normally means that a sober driver probably would have nailed the guy anyway.

07 Dec 2012 11:44 PM
Generation_D    [TotalFark]  
Jesus Chrysler!

07 Dec 2012 11:47 PM
Aquapope     

talkertopc: How do we know that he was sentenced to 5 years of probations + court ordered programs if the sentencing has yet to occur?


This sentence was agreed to as a plea deal with the prosecutor, contingent on his completion of the court programs, interlock, etc. If he doesn't complete them, the prosecutor withdraws the plea deal and the guy gets smacked down with real jail time. So this sentence isn't "official" until the court enters it into the record in March, IF he's a good boy until then.

07 Dec 2012 11:48 PM
Happy Hours     

talkertopc: FTA: "A boozed-up Queens man accused of mowing down an elderly pedestrian earlier this year will only serve five years probation and attend a slew of court-ordered programs." ... "Family members of Lizardo are expected to give victim impact statements at sentencing."

How do we know that he was sentenced to 5 years of probations + court ordered programs if the sentencing has yet to occur?


That's my question too - How will victim's statements make a difference? And why should they make a difference? A guy is dead. Should the drunk driver serve more time if the "victims" miss him a whole lot and say the oblivious pedestrian was a great guy?

What if he had killed a homeless man with no family and no friends? Oh, no "victims" to make a statement, so it's no big deal but if he kills Mother Farkin' Theresa lots of victims, we're going to string you up by the balls.

I guess "justice" really is a game.

07 Dec 2012 11:49 PM
AlwaysRightBoy    [TotalFark]  
Death Race 2012! People, we're talking about points here.

07 Dec 2012 11:54 PM
Aquapope     
Probably the driver:
1) was a first time offender of any kind, not just DUI
2) was a successful business owner (owns a Mercedes SUV in NYC!!)
3) paid a metric shiatload of money for a DUI lawyer (who knows all the traffic prosecutors)
4) knows somebody who knows somebody...

and the victim was OLD and going to die soon, which shouldn't matter but I bet it does.

He should do time. He will probably get a civil suit from the victim's family, which is only to the good. It was a monumental farkup, no doubt, and he'll pay for it in insurance, a civil suit, bad press in his community for his business, installation and removal of the interlock ($350 each here in KS), and probably some stuff I haven't thought of. But still, he killed a guy and he should do time.

08 Dec 2012 12:00 AM
maltedmothball     

phrawgh: As the cars roar into Pennsylvania, the cradle of liberty, it seems apparent that our citizens are staying off the streets, which may make scoring particularly difficult, even with this year's rule changes. To recap those revisions: women are still worth 10 points more than men in all age brackets, but teenagers now rack up 40 points, and toddlers under 12 now rate a big 70 points. The big score: anyone, any sex, over 75 years old has been upped to 100 points.


good to know

/and knowing is half the battle
//G.I. JOOOOOOOOOOE

08 Dec 2012 12:01 AM
Trafficguy2000     

Bit'O'Gristle: Demitrios Matsoukatidis, 67, pleaded guilty to vehicular manslaughter today for the death of 89-year-old Aldama Lizardo, who was innocently crossing the street in his Astoria neighborhood on Feb 7.

Wait a farking minute. He KILLS a innocent person while driving in a drunken stupor, and gets probation? And a few classes to go to? Is this the worth of a innocent life? Jesus our criminal justice system is broken. A guy gets busted 7 times for dui, never having hurt anyone..and gets life in prison with no parole, this guy KILLS someone and gets probation. It boggels the mind the level of retardation our justice system has in it.


america f*** yeah

08 Dec 2012 12:17 AM
CaptainBeefheart     
Did the victim look tired anyway?

08 Dec 2012 12:19 AM
duffblue     
this is proof that if you want somebody dead get drunk and hit them with a car. This isn't the first time this is happened. I can't believe you guys are surprised by this.

08 Dec 2012 12:29 AM
Suckmaster Burstingfoam     

Loren: Lsherm: Anyone have better information about the accident? Was there another reason he got off easy? Was the old man crossing in the middle of a block?

Yeah, that's what I was thinking also. When you see very low punishments for DUI fatalities it normally means that a sober driver probably would have nailed the guy anyway.


89 year old men do tend to move with blistering speed. God forbid one ever jumps in front of your car!

08 Dec 2012 12:30 AM
Gyrfalcon    [TotalFark]  
Well, this is the weird-ass system we've got, and you all might remember it the next time we have one of our interminable arguments about why DUI checkpoints are not a violation of your rights.

Currently as our laws stand, voluntary intoxication (i.e. when you go out and get falling-down drunk) is an affirmative defense when it comes to crimes of general intent, like homicide. That is, being drunk negates the element of intent necessary to prove malice when you get in your car or pull out your gun and kill someone because you're too drunk to appreciate what you're doing. Because after all, your Honor, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this man is a decent, honest person, and he would NEVER kill someone if he was in his right mind, and we've all had a few too many; surely you can appreciate that he was not fully responsible for his actions when he drove down the street? Clearly he didn't INTEND to mow down that elderly man and if he hadn't had those 18 gin&tonics, he never would have done it.

And I'm sure he didn't. Just as everyone here who has biatched about sobriety checkpoints and people getting pulled over for being a few over the legal limit and cops aggressively enforcing DWI laws wouldn't mean to either. But the law says that if you kill someone and you're drunk--assuming you didn't get drunk for the purpose of lowering your inhibitions to kill someone (cf. Jeffrey Dahmer)--then you were not fully responsible for your actions. QED. This is why MADD is so, well, mad. Because honest, decent people get so peeved that they can't have a few drinks and then drive when it's obvious they're okay. And because when they do hit the courts, the laws have agreed with you: You were okay. You weren't totally responsible.

08 Dec 2012 12:35 AM
divx88     
Naw, it's called getting even for all those incidents at farmers' markets.

08 Dec 2012 12:46 AM
Mock26     
Sentencing for murder should be based on the remaining life expectancy of the victim. So, kill newborn baby boy, get 75.6 years in prison. Kill a 75 year old man, get 0.6 years in freedom. Anyone over the life expectancy is a freebie.

:-D

08 Dec 2012 12:49 AM
Pichu0102    [TotalFark]  
Anyone have an article link that's not NY Post?

08 Dec 2012 12:51 AM
Priapetic     

Jedekai: BigLuca: Demitrios Matsoukatidis, 67, pleaded guilty to vehicular manslaughter today for the death of 89-year-old Aldama Lizardo...

I wish my last name was Lizardo... :-(

[www.toptenz.net image 400x273]


Laugh'a while you can, monkey boy

08 Dec 2012 12:53 AM
Gyrfalcon    [TotalFark]  

Mock26: Sentencing for murder should be based on the remaining life expectancy of the victim. So, kill newborn baby boy, get 75.6 years in prison. Kill a 75 year old man, get 0.6 years in freedom. Anyone over the life expectancy is a freebie.

:-D


OK....but what if you kill a 97-year old man? You have some extra time you can cash in if you commit other crimes?

08 Dec 2012 12:58 AM
filter     
Drunk driving is a god given right in America.


I relocated to a zero tolerance country. Drunk driving fatalities are unheard of here.

08 Dec 2012 01:00 AM
GoSurfing    [TotalFark]  

phrawgh: As the cars roar into Pennsylvania, the cradle of liberty, it seems apparent that our citizens are staying off the streets, which may make scoring particularly difficult, even with this year's rule changes. To recap those revisions: women are still worth 10 points more than men in all age brackets, but teenagers now rack up 40 points, and toddlers under 12 now rate a big 70 points. The big score: anyone, any sex, over 75 years old has been upped to 100 points.


My favorite movie.

08 Dec 2012 01:01 AM
Mock26     

Gyrfalcon: Mock26: Sentencing for murder should be based on the remaining life expectancy of the victim. So, kill newborn baby boy, get 75.6 years in prison. Kill a 75 year old man, get 0.6 years in freedom. Anyone over the life expectancy is a freebie.

:-D

OK....but what if you kill a 97-year old man? You have some extra time you can cash in if you commit other crimes?


Like I said, that would be a freebie. In other words, no penalty.

08 Dec 2012 01:02 AM
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