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   Aversion to U.S. Southern accent and stereotyping it as uneducated begins as early as age 6 and is set into stone at age 10. Here comes the science, y'all

08 Dec 2012 05:10 AM   |   10526 clicks   |   Scientific American
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Cubansaltyballs    [TotalFark]  
According to Sherlock University at No Sh*t

08 Dec 2012 12:20 AM
hubiestubert    [TotalFark]  
For fun, when I first met my ex-wife's friends from Mass, I laid on a thick Down East accent, with heavy lashings of Skiddah Tahk from up north way. We talked about education theory, theater, even philosophy and music. The looks on their faces as someone dressed in flannel could even pronounce Spinoza and articulate upon monads was priceless.

Accents place us. Dialect places us. That folks tend to think that accent and dialect have a direct relationship to social standing isn't terribly surprising. That they tend to think upon intelligence and other traits are related to those accents isn't terribly surprising either.

As I get older, I let a bit more of the drawl that I grew up with show through. It is tinged with a bit of Texas twang, and gets thoroughly confused with the time I spent in Down East Maine. While I was out in Phoenix, some folks thought it was charming. In Mass, some folks seem to think it translates directly to some redneck from Away. They're both right. I am who I am, even if I put on an American Broadcast English accent, or I slide into the fuzzy lazy drawl that I tend towards when I drink a bit. I used to care more about what folks thought about accent, and as I get older, I just can't give as many f*cks as I used to if someone might think. The content of the conversation remains the same, the quality of ideas remains the same, and if folks are so narrow minded as to not appreciate the splendor of the English language to adapt and change and remain intelligible, then screwum.

08 Dec 2012 12:29 AM
dickfreckle     
Link won't load for me, so forgive me for talking out of my ass.

Southern accents aren't indicative of ignorance. If anything, those who disparage it wholesale are the ones who can't see the forest for the trees. Making fun of the South is as popular as mocking any other scapegoat if it means avoiding the stupidity in your own community.

The Tea Party has been elected all over the nation, son. Even the seats they lost were narrow and far from the kiss-mah-grits South you all enjoy mocking. Paranoid dittoheads are everywhere.

You people are no better than we are. You're just as bigoted and wrong-headed as we are, but live in a narrowly blue state. This makes you comfortable in projecting all your flaws upon us. Some of the blue states had as narrow a margin for as we had against.

Tide is changing, my friends, the South is still red but it's uncomfortably close for the old guard.

08 Dec 2012 12:39 AM
Counter_Intelligent     
Meh, I don't mind it so much. Only when it's combined with overalls and missing teeth.

08 Dec 2012 12:44 AM
acanuck    [TotalFark]  
Southern ACtions are indicative of ignorance, especially with all this Creationism nonsense (yeah, I'm also talking to you, Indiana)

An ACcent happens to be correlated if you're easily prejudiced.

08 Dec 2012 12:46 AM
MaudlinMutantMollusk    [TotalFark]  
I work with people all over the South by phone every day, and I can assure you there's no correlation between Southern accents and intelligence

/I can however report that Circle K managers are, as a group, some of the slowest people I've ever dealt with in my life
//and there's no way in hell I can take a life insurance salesman with a Texas drawl seriously
///YMMV

08 Dec 2012 12:52 AM
Lionel Mandrake    [TotalFark]  

dickfreckle: Making fun of the South is as popular as mocking any other scapegoat if it means avoiding the stupidity in your own community.


I know you couldn't read the article, so this is just FYI: negative stereotypes associated with southern accents are just as common among southerners as northerners in people aged ten or higher, although young southern kids (5 or 6) are not judgmental when it comes to accent, but northern kids are.

So, it's really saying that at some point, Americans from all over develop a bias against southern accents as they get older, not just the people who don't live there.

08 Dec 2012 01:06 AM
optikeye    [TotalFark]  
Aversion to a long Island or Jersey accent is established after having a clue.

08 Dec 2012 01:15 AM
HotWingAgenda    [TotalFark]  

optikeye: Aversion to a long Island or Jersey accent is established after having a clue.


That's pretty much the only accent I have ever discriminated against, aside from Welsh people. Partially because I've known a lot of people with thick Southern accents, who were actually highly educated and unbiased. Every educated person I've ever met from NY/NJ/Boston had managed to drop their accent, for the most part. And the uneducated people from that area go out of their way to thicken the accent.

08 Dec 2012 01:19 AM
optikeye    [TotalFark]  

HotWingAgenda: And the uneducated people from that area go out of their way to thicken the accent.


And it really screws up gay porn. A guy with southern accent saying "Suck my dick" is kinda hot...a guy with a Jersey Accent saying the same thing just makes me laugh.

08 Dec 2012 01:24 AM
GAT_00     
I've lived down here for 14 years, and I know damn well Southern accents have nothing to do with intelligence. I've developed an inflection myself, though not a big one, and I've long since decided that y'all is the most insidious word in the English language. And I still routinely underestimate people with strong Southern accents.

Ten-year-old children from both Chicago and Tennessee thought the Northern-accented individuals were "smarter" and "in charge," and that the Southern-accented individuals were "nicer."

This makes this doubly interesting. And yeah, Southern accents do make people sound nicer. There is a fantastic culture of language subtext with what Southerners say, it really is interesting. No born and raised Southerner will ever tell you straight out what they think for the most part. You can get it out of them, but it's layered. You just learn to read through it. And there is no greater insult than 'bless your heart.'

08 Dec 2012 01:31 AM
Makh    [TotalFark]  
Living outside the city in Georgia didn't help that stereotype. Also we need more people like Bill Hicks if you want to turn it around.

/I also think tha bahston accent is frikken tapped in the head.

08 Dec 2012 01:33 AM
GAT_00     

Makh: Living outside the city in Georgia didn't help that stereotype. Also we need more people like Bill Hicks if you want to turn it around.

/I also think tha bahston accent is frikken tapped in the head.


I used to have some variant NY/Boston accent from learning to speak in Connecticut before it got obliterated by speech therapy. I used to stutter pretty bad apparently and it seems to be slowly coming back. Left me with this really bland generic American accent I still mostly have.

08 Dec 2012 01:44 AM
dickfreckle     

Lionel Mandrake: I know you couldn't read the article, so this is just FYI: negative stereotypes associated with southern accents are just as common among southerners as northerners in people aged ten or higher, although young southern kids (5 or 6) are not judgmental when it comes to accent, but northern kids are.

So, it's really saying that at some point, Americans from all over develop a bias against southern accents as they get older, not just the people who don't live there.


This is fair. But what about Charlotte, New Orleans, Atanta, et al? As a Southerner there's nothing more frustrating than being considered part of rural Alabama.

08 Dec 2012 01:45 AM
vossiewulf    [TotalFark]  
PSA: if you think a southern accent means ignorant/uneducated, there are quite a few folks in the south who aren't even a teensy bit ignorant or uneducated who will use the hell out of that against you.

08 Dec 2012 01:59 AM
Mike_LowELL    [TotalFark]  
AH WUSH MAHSELF WIT A RAG ONN A STIKK

08 Dec 2012 02:27 AM
L.D. Ablo    [TotalFark]  
My ex-fiancee had a touch of a southern accent. I found it hot. Plus she looked like a cross between Reese Witherspoon and a young Cybil Shepard. She has a MSW and is pretty smart.

I lived with her for a bit in Missouri. Then she turned into a violent drunk. Still, I wish it would have worked out.

/would date another Southerner
//though one that did not throw plates at my head

08 Dec 2012 02:44 AM
trivial use of my dark powers     
I've found that Northerners find a touch of Southern drawl charming; use a bit too much, of course, and they marvel that I'm wearing shoes and ask if my brother and I are "just friends." Sigh.

/doesn't help that I caught mono from my brother.
//I drank after him.
///Yes, I did.
////Oh, shut up.

08 Dec 2012 02:52 AM
MaudlinMutantMollusk    [TotalFark]  

L.D. Ablo: My ex-fiancee had a touch of a southern accent. I found it hot. Plus she looked like a cross between Reese Witherspoon and a young Cybil Shepard. She has a MSW and is pretty smart.

I lived with her for a bit in Missouri. Then she turned into a violent drunk. Still, I wish it would have worked out.

/would date another Southerner
//though one that did not throw plates at my head


If she missed,she wasn't really serious about it

/dated me some Southern womens with good aim

08 Dec 2012 02:55 AM
Apos     
Here comes the science, y'all

I couldn't help but read this in Paula Deen's voice.

08 Dec 2012 03:10 AM
FirstNationalBastard    [TotalFark]  

Apos: Here comes the science, y'all

I couldn't help but read this in Paula Deen's voice.


She's ruined the word "Y'all" for everyone.

...at least, until a sextape is leaked where she's seen lubing up her anus with a stick of butter, bending over, holding her ass cheeks apart, and saying "Come on in Y'all". That will redeem the word.

08 Dec 2012 03:22 AM
Apos     

FirstNationalBastard: Apos: Here comes the science, y'all

I couldn't help but read this in Paula Deen's voice.

She's ruined the word "Y'all" for everyone.

...at least, until a sextape is leaked where she's seen lubing up her anus with a stick of butter, bending over, holding her ass cheeks apart, and saying "Come on in Y'all". That will redeem the word.



*Shudder* Thanks for the nightmare fuel. You shouldn't have.

08 Dec 2012 03:29 AM
Warchild    [TotalFark]  

optikeye: Aversion to a long Island or Jersey accent is established after having a clue.

 
lol

08 Dec 2012 04:22 AM
kingoomieiii     

FirstNationalBastard: he's seen lubing up her anus with a stick of butter, bending over, holding her ass cheeks apart, and saying "Come on in Y'all". That will redeem the word.


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08 Dec 2012 04:57 AM
MayoSlather     
Spend a few days in rural areas of WV,NC, GA and I can assure you that you'll have a southern drawl permanently associated with a low intellect.

08 Dec 2012 05:01 AM
rynthetyn     
There are different southern accents. If somebody's speaking with southern hick twang, then yeah, I'll assume they're uneducated because mostly uneducated hicks speak with that accent, but if they're speaking with the kind of southern accent that educated southerners have then that's something different altogether. Nobody ever seems to make that distinction.

08 Dec 2012 05:14 AM
BeerGraduate     
Sweet tea?

08 Dec 2012 05:15 AM
Tickle Mittens     

kingoomieiii: FirstNationalBastard: he's seen lubing up her anus with a stick of butter, bending over, holding her ass cheeks apart, and saying "Come on in Y'all". That will redeem the word.

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And now we know Sam Bradford's fark handle.

08 Dec 2012 05:15 AM
Jedekai     
Smartest man I ever met had a Southern accent, he was my Biology professor. My horrendous EMMS (Eastern-Montana-Mushmouth-Syndrome) evened things out.

"Nayao, Yooo're'uh gonna hold it's leg... right... there. Nayao... you're gonna mayk sure that it duh'nt moove on'ya..."

"Sir, cujja,please gettothepoint? Kinna inna piinch."

08 Dec 2012 05:19 AM
Jim_Callahan     
Um, all accents are associated with being uneducated. And, frankly, it's not an inaccurate stereotype-- formal education tends to train your speaking to something approaching a technically adept standard, if I can tell you're from Boston within three sentences of meeting you or whatever then statistically you probably aren't very educated.

08 Dec 2012 05:20 AM
dofus     

Counter_Intelligent: Meh, I don't mind it so much. Only when it's combined with overalls and missing teeth.


You must be thinking of West Virginia. Or is it Kentucky? I forget.

The one that drives me insane is Eastern Tennessee.

08 Dec 2012 05:21 AM
God-is-a-Taco    [TotalFark]  
Americans can be taken back when hearing a black person speak with a proper British accent

It truly is confusing. I've even heard one somewhere online with an Irish accent before.
God damn unsettling. It's like it's a robot designed to confuse me.

08 Dec 2012 05:24 AM
BeerGraduate     

FirstNationalBastard: Apos: Here comes the science, y'all

I couldn't help but read this in Paula Deen's voice.

She's ruined the word "Y'all" for everyone.

...at least, until a sextape is leaked where she's seen lubing up her anus with a stick of butter, bending over, holding her ass cheeks apart, and saying "Come on in Y'all". That will redeem the word.


Make sure to bring a Jimmy

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08 Dec 2012 05:24 AM
dofus     

Jedekai: "Nayao, Yooo're'uh gonna hold it's leg... right... there. Nayao... you're gonna mayk sure that it duh'nt moove on'ya..."


Well done. It's hard to accurately portray accents in writing.

Sounds like Alabama to me.

08 Dec 2012 05:25 AM
Jedekai     

dofus: Jedekai: "Nayao, Yooo're'uh gonna hold it's leg... right... there. Nayao... you're gonna mayk sure that it duh'nt moove on'ya..."

Well done. It's hard to accurately portray accents in writing.

Sounds like Alabama to me.


I take that as a point of pride, Sir, he was from Mobile.

08 Dec 2012 05:31 AM
GentlemanJ     
Then why have I always gone googoo over women with Irish or British RP accents? Even when I was a four year old, I preferred Cathy Lane to Patty Lane.
/Obscure?

08 Dec 2012 05:36 AM
hbk72777     

Jim_Callahan: Um, all accents are associated with being uneducated. And, frankly, it's not an inaccurate stereotype-- formal education tends to train your speaking to something approaching a technically adept standard, if I can tell you're from Boston within three sentences of meeting you or whatever then statistically you probably aren't very educated.


Yeah............no. I'm from Long Island, have the thickest accent you can have. Always made the honor roll, was in G&T, never even studied for a test. I can turn it off when I want to, but if I know it pisses someone off, I'll lay it on thicker, because I'm a dick like that.

Meanwhile, after moving to the South, it ain't the accents that make these people stupid. My god, the dumbest motherfarkers I've ever met. Just shop in any store and listen to the conversations. I can't use any words above a kindergarden level down here without confusing them. I asked for a circular at the courtesy counter, and the manager had no idea what the hell I was talking about. Finally another clerk, reached over and gave me one. I've seen multiple people take out a calculator to figure out 10%. If you can't answer that instantaneously , you might be a redneck. The kids are morons who play with bb guns shooting each other. Most don't go to school (and it isn't home schooling, they're outside playing or shopping with their parents during the day).

The dumbest New Yorker is smarter than the smartest southerner.

08 Dec 2012 05:37 AM
The AlbinoSaxon     

dickfreckle: Making fun of the South is as popular as mocking any other scapegoat if it means avoiding the stupidity in your own community.


I make fun of the South *because* of the stupidity in my own community.

08 Dec 2012 05:43 AM
fredbox     
"Italian is judged as sounding beautiful while German sounds ugly."

This. Nothing ruins porn more than when the Germans start speaking.

08 Dec 2012 05:44 AM
wademh     
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How could this happen?

08 Dec 2012 05:45 AM
dofus     
This thread is not complete without a few words... well... OK, a lot of words... from Tim Wilson

08 Dec 2012 05:46 AM
FirstNationalBastard    [TotalFark]  

fredbox: "Italian is judged as sounding beautiful while German sounds ugly."

This. Nothing ruins porn more than when the Germans start speaking.


...well, the scat play doesn't help matters, either.

08 Dec 2012 05:46 AM
Jim_Callahan     

hbk72777: The dumbest New Yorker is smarter than the smartest southerner.


That an interesting thing to add when the previous paragraph points out that you're a southerner currently.

Also, if your standard for the entire culture being stupid is kids dropping out of school and people working temp secretary jobs not knowing what's going on, New York ain't so pretty either.

//I'm very, very carefully not pointing out the implications of your list of personal academic achievements stopping at or before high school, and aren't even indicative of being particularly good at high school.

08 Dec 2012 05:47 AM
swahnhennessy     
For me it's not so much the accent as what's being said with it. Having been raised in Colorado, where we've all got "newscaster's accent", everyone from anyplace else spoke funny to me.And, sure, you make snap judgments upon hearing it. But those give way to substance. If it exists.

/prove us wrong, Alabama

08 Dec 2012 05:53 AM
MrEricSir     
Listening to all kinds of weird accents/voices on NPR has broken a lot of these stereotypes for me.

08 Dec 2012 05:56 AM
Krymson Tyde     
Well bless y'all's hearts.

08 Dec 2012 05:56 AM
dofus     

swahnhennessy: Having been raised in Colorado, where we've all got "newscaster's accent", everyone from anyplace else spoke funny to me.


I'm going to assume you never made the trip down I-25 to Pueblo.

08 Dec 2012 05:58 AM
JuggleGeek     
Aversion to U.S. Southern accent

I wish. If the farking yankee's were so opposed to our accent, there won't be so many of them moving down here.

I'll make you a deal. I won't go up there and act like I'm Texan, and you stay the hell up there. We'll both be happier.

Counter_Intelligent: Meh, I don't mind it so much. Only when it's combined with overalls and missing teeth.


I can't afford overalls.

08 Dec 2012 06:02 AM
OhioUGrad     
I went to school with a woman with a really heavy southern accent, and I don't think anyone ever thought she was not intelligent (of course at that point we were in college) the only thing that ever got us to laugh was the different terms she would use.

The ones who got picked on, were the people from West Virgina (including the professors)

/Would date a southern girl
//Would not live in the south, mainly because I HATE heat

08 Dec 2012 06:03 AM
Buffet     

GentlemanJ: Then why have I always gone googoo over women with Irish or British RP accents? Even when I was a four year old, I preferred Cathy Lane to Patty Lane.
/Obscure?



You need to enter a comment! No one will know what you want to say!


I SAID Ditto Cathy over Patty. The word obscure makes no sense in the context you've used it?

08 Dec 2012 06:08 AM
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