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   What's this world coming to when you can't rent out your garden shed to the homeless and their dogs. In other news: Extension cords are fire hazards to only the homeless

08 Dec 2012 06:33 PM   |   5580 clicks   |   CBC
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Wolfling    [TotalFark]  
What's the world coming to, when we can't get two people to spell to too well.

08 Dec 2012 06:34 PM
Farktastic     
I see subby knows fark all about electricity...

08 Dec 2012 06:36 PM
macadamnut     
Only the homely are homeless.

08 Dec 2012 06:40 PM
solokumba     
campers are not homes

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gerrrr!

08 Dec 2012 06:40 PM
vudukungfu    [TotalFark]  
bubbles?

08 Dec 2012 06:42 PM
NewportBarGuy    [TotalFark]  
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08 Dec 2012 06:42 PM
UsikFark     

Farktastic: I see subby knows fark all about electricity...


They make 50' extension cords. Half a dozen indoor 6-footers chained together should be fine. There's even an 8 outlet surge protector at the end to power the space heater and Coleman griddle.

08 Dec 2012 06:42 PM
KrispyKritter     

macadamnut: Only the homely are homeless.


Dum-dum-dum-dumdy-doo-wah
Ooh-yay-yay-yay-yeah
Oh-oh-oh-oh-wah
Only the homely

Only the homely (dum-dum-dum-dumdy-doo-wah)
Know the way I feel tonight (ooh-yay-yay-yay-yeah)
Only the homely (dum-dum-dum-dumdy-doo-wah)
Know this feelin aint right (dum-dum-dum-dumdy-doo-wah)

08 Dec 2012 06:43 PM
brantgoose    [TotalFark]  
That's way too much for a tool shed in Kelowna. Look at the junk around it. Sure, some of it counts as insulation, but even so, $100, $150, tops unless she removes that pile of boards and improves the landscaping.

Of course, in Vancouver or Surrey, BC, that rent would look way cheap. There are people making $95,000 a year and living in worse in the oil patch in Alberta. In London, England, garages barely bigger than that toolshed have sold for GBP150,000.

Location, location, location. But the yard looks like a dump, so it is keeping rents down.

08 Dec 2012 06:43 PM
UsikFark     

solokumba: campers are not homes

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gerrrr!


Let me grab my hammer.

08 Dec 2012 06:43 PM
ElLoco     
"she was charging rent of $200 per month

If they are paying rent on a place to stay, are they still homeless?

08 Dec 2012 06:44 PM
thesharkman     
Came here for the TPB references. Shiat Hawks...

08 Dec 2012 06:45 PM
WTP 2     
this is how a local kid and his dad died i think 2 years ago in florida
go ahead ....roll them dice!!!

08 Dec 2012 06:45 PM
Notabunny    [TotalFark]  

UsikFark: Half a dozen indoor 6-footers chained together should be fine.


kinky!

08 Dec 2012 06:46 PM
To The Escape Zeppelin!     
They weren't homeless until the city kicked them out of their rental. It's clearly better that they wander the street than live in sub par housing.

08 Dec 2012 06:50 PM
RogermcAllen     

UsikFark: Farktastic: I see subby knows fark all about electricity...

They make 50' extension cords. Half a dozen indoor 6-footers chained together should be fine. There's even an 8 outlet surge protector at the end to power the space heater and Coleman griddle.


10/10 A+

I hope the kids at home are reading this post and taking notes.

08 Dec 2012 06:52 PM
dantheman195     

RogermcAllen: UsikFark: Farktastic: I see subby knows fark all about electricity...

They make 50' extension cords. Half a dozen indoor 6-footers chained together should be fine. There's even an 8 outlet surge protector at the end to power the space heater and Coleman griddle.

10/10 A+

I hope the kids at home are reading this post and taking notes.


Just make sure it is all plugged into a wall outlet that is protected by a Federal Pacific load center. Also knob and tube wiring would add a nice touch.

08 Dec 2012 06:58 PM
hodge-podge     
Lived in a shed...

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08 Dec 2012 07:03 PM
wildcardjack     
I think it was part of The Alienist by Caleb Carr where the author went over the troubles caused by tenement housing reforms, such as "Windows" getting cut into the shanties but there wasn't a specification that there be glass in the windows.

I could be wrong and that's not where I picked up that bit, but I read that book 12 years ago and I've read so many better things since then.

08 Dec 2012 07:06 PM
fusillade762    [TotalFark]  

brantgoose: That's way too much for a tool shed in Kelowna. Look at the junk around it. Sure, some of it counts as insulation, but even so, $100, $150, tops unless she removes that pile of boards and improves the landscaping.

Of course, in Vancouver or Surrey, BC, that rent would look way cheap. There are people making $95,000 a year and living in worse in the oil patch in Alberta. In London, England, garages barely bigger than that toolshed have sold for GBP150,000.

Location, location, location. But the yard looks like a dump, so it is keeping rents down.


My van down by the river is almost $900 a month because of the waterfront view.

08 Dec 2012 07:08 PM
Somaticasual     
Iit really does seem like our government goes out of it's way to kick people when they're down on some fronts.
There's a point where the almighty dollar needs to step aside, and let basic human compassion lead or find a better solution to the issue at hand. Or, at least use turning a blind eye as a tool for humanity rather than corruption..

08 Dec 2012 07:09 PM
Seige101     

dantheman195: RogermcAllen: UsikFark: Farktastic: I see subby knows fark all about electricity...

They make 50' extension cords. Half a dozen indoor 6-footers chained together should be fine. There's even an 8 outlet surge protector at the end to power the space heater and Coleman griddle.

10/10 A+

I hope the kids at home are reading this post and taking notes.

Just make sure it is all plugged into a wall outlet that is protected by a Federal Pacific load center. Also knob and tube wiring would add a nice touch.


Hell you can weld without a welder as long as it's protected by an FPE breaker!

08 Dec 2012 07:13 PM
Goddess of Atheism     
Damn it, Canada, if you're going to live in a garden shed, at least live in a wooden one. Metal conducts heat far too quickly; in sub-freezing temperatures, the inside of a metal shed can actually be colder than the outdoors.

08 Dec 2012 07:25 PM
John Buck 41    [TotalFark]  

Wolfling: What's the world coming to, when we can't get two people to spell to too well.


Subby's too stupid (or drunk) to deserve a greenlight.

08 Dec 2012 07:26 PM
Ready-set     
I have a friend who did this for someone. Really saved the guy's arse. And the city had one less homeless person to handle.

This story proves more bureaucratic stupidity.

08 Dec 2012 07:31 PM
Dadoody     
So....shed considered unsuitable living space as opposed to...the street?

08 Dec 2012 07:36 PM
Happy Hours     
If they're renting out a garden shed, they're not homeless.

I do kind of wonder about the extension cords though. Are they safe? My neighbors have a horrific Xmas light display and there are a LOT of extension cords. I'm hot sure if it's a fire hazard or not. Still waiting for the snow.

WHERE IS SNOW?

And if the building I live in burns down, I have insurance. As long as me and my cat get out alive I'll be happy. I have too much stuff anyway.

08 Dec 2012 08:06 PM
Happy Hours     

Happy Hours: If they're renting out a garden shed, they're not homeless.

I do kind of wonder about the extension cords though. Are they safe? My neighbors have a horrific Xmas light display and there are a LOT of extension cords. I'm hot sure if it's a fire hazard or not. Still waiting for the snow.

WHERE IS SNOW?

And if the building I live in burns down, I have insurance. As long as me and my cat get out alive I'll be happy. I have too much stuff anyway.


And I'll just add this - if my neighbors die of smoke inhalation in the process I'll be somewhat pleased. Really - I hate them that much.

08 Dec 2012 08:14 PM
bearded clamorer    [TotalFark]  
Any hobo worth his salt knows you don't pay more than $100 a month for a shed that doesn't have a minimum of a 12 gauge extension cord, and a GFCI receptacle located IN THE SHED.

Some of these unscrupulous shedlords will try to give you a 14, or even a 16 gauge cord, with no ground fault protection, and tell you it's OK to run your hot plate, your blow dryer, and your phone charger at the same time.

/It's high time these people were called out.

08 Dec 2012 08:28 PM
Notabunny    [TotalFark]  

bearded clamorer: Any hobo worth his salt knows you don't pay more than $100 a month for a shed that doesn't have a minimum of a 12 gauge extension cord, and a GFCI receptacle located IN THE SHED.

Some of these unscrupulous shedlords will try to give you a 14, or even a 16 gauge cord, with no ground fault protection, and tell you it's OK to run your hot plate, your blow dryer, and your phone charger at the same time.

/It's high time these people were called out.


They're the worst kind!

08 Dec 2012 08:37 PM
dmars     

Somaticasual: Iit really does seem like our government goes out of it's way to kick people when they're down on some fronts.
There's a point where the almighty dollar needs to step aside, and let basic human compassion lead or find a better solution to the issue at hand. Or, at least use turning a blind eye as a tool for humanity rather than corruption..


Dadoody: So....shed considered unsuitable living space as opposed to...the street?


My first impression is, "So, what Let them stay there, better than the street." But then when you realize if she could rent out a shed and it be acceptable then what is to stop other people from doing the same thing. This would be a very bad thing.

If you start letting people rent out "houses" that have no electricity, no plumbing, or anything thing that make it habitable then how are you supposed to get a landlord to fix the heat or the toilet. Apparently those aren't required anymore, right? Even if it is protected by the lease, what is to stop stupid ass slum lords from renting houses for super cheap that doesn't have any amenities. This would be the last type of housing that we would want anywhere and unfortunately for the two homeless people, you just can't let them rent places like that. Hell, they can afford to pay two hundred a month then, I know some people on assistant housing that pay less rent than that. This is not a good way for these two homeless people to spend there resources.

08 Dec 2012 09:25 PM
darkmayo     
I don't see what the problem is, in fact I was thinking of getting a second shed.

Yours truly
Arthur Jackson.

08 Dec 2012 09:40 PM
Maul555     
Fleming said that with winter approaching and overnight temperatures dipping below freezing, the electrical cord would be a potential fire hazard and it's been getting very cold.


You know what would be better than sleeping outside in below freezing temperatures? Sleeping in a metal shed with an electric heater in below freezing temperatures.

08 Dec 2012 09:56 PM
Gyrfalcon     

Somaticasual: Iit really does seem like our government goes out of it's way to kick people when they're down on some fronts.
There's a point where the almighty dollar needs to step aside, and let basic human compassion lead or find a better solution to the issue at hand. Or, at least use turning a blind eye as a tool for humanity rather than corruption..


Well...here's the problem.

Suppose the city "turns a blind eye" as you say, and then there was a fire, the homeless people died or were seriously injured and ended up in the hospital. Then the woman gets sued on behalf of the homeless couple for allowing them to live in unsafe conditions, and the city gets sued for failing to enforce safety regulations. Possibly the woman's neighbors sue as well for the violations, plus housing code violations (unregulated residence, etc.), health code violations (where were they dumping their waste? the dogs' waste? what about cooking?), etc.

Housing codes exist for a reason. Mostly public safety. I agree, the woman here was only trying to do the right thing, and the city really should waive the fine. But some people would be more than happy to fleece desperate people out of money and give them really crappy housing, or not care if they shiat in a bucket and threw it over the neighbor's fence. Sadly, that is why the city can't just let this go. As far as "more compassionate solutions," people are trying to find them. Often they run afoul of the same combination of regulations, idiots who want to make a quick buck, and the NIMBYism that led to the creation of the regulations in the first place.

08 Dec 2012 10:35 PM
gadian     

dmars: If you start letting people rent out "houses" that have no electricity, no plumbing, or anything thing that make it habitable then how are you supposed to get a landlord to fix the heat or the toilet. Apparently those aren't required anymore, right? Even if it is protected by the lease, what is to stop stupid ass slum lords from renting houses for super cheap that doesn't have any amenities. This would be the last type of housing that we would want anywhere and unfortunately for the two homeless people, you just can't let them rent places like that. Hell, they can afford to pay two hundred a month then, I know some people on assistant housing that pay less rent than that. This is not a good way for these two homeless people to spend there resources.


Land lords do exactly this around here. A powerless / dry cabin will run you $300-400 a month rent. I rented a dry cabin (demanded electricty, damn it!) for several years, ran me $550 a month - more than the mortgage payment on the house I owned before moving. When I bought this place, it didn't have water. Hell, just buying a home with plumbing tacks on another $100k to the purchase price of a house - the toilet tax.

It's all relative. "Necessity" means different things to different people. If people can make a go of it without electricity / plumbing, I don't see any harm in letting them.

08 Dec 2012 11:06 PM
MemeSlave     

dmars: Somaticasual: Iit really does seem like our government goes out of it's way to kick people when they're down on some fronts.
There's a point where the almighty dollar needs to step aside, and let basic human compassion lead or find a better solution to the issue at hand. Or, at least use turning a blind eye as a tool for humanity rather than corruption..

Dadoody: So....shed considered unsuitable living space as opposed to...the street?

My first impression is, "So, what Let them stay there, better than the street." But then when you realize if she could rent out a shed and it be acceptable then what is to stop other people from doing the same thing. This would be a very bad thing.

If you start letting people rent out "houses" that have no electricity, no plumbing, or anything thing that make it habitable then how are you supposed to get a landlord to fix the heat or the toilet. Apparently those aren't required anymore, right? Even if it is protected by the lease, what is to stop stupid ass slum lords from renting houses for super cheap that doesn't have any amenities. This would be the last type of housing that we would want anywhere and unfortunately for the two homeless people, you just can't let them rent places like that. Hell, they can afford to pay two hundred a month then, I know some people on assistant housing that pay less rent than that. This is not a good way for these two homeless people to spend there resources.


Or you could live outdoors in the park. Reality, in the form of a free market, is a biatch.

08 Dec 2012 11:23 PM
esotericelement     
Jesus Christ, I can't take it anymore. "What's this world coming too..." = What's this world coming TO. I have been lurking since 2004, as I would much rather enjoy reading the wacky articles and occasional flame wars than take any part in them...but every day for the past 12 years, I notice some dolt who submits a post with blatant spelling errors and/or poorly worded sentences, and I've had enough. Subby, you are a stupid, stupid individual. Kindly set yourself on fire. *Slowly shuffles out of frame*

08 Dec 2012 11:52 PM
TheGogmagog     
Howtolivewellin125squarefeet?

09 Dec 2012 12:19 AM
Madame Psychosis    [TotalFark]  

dantheman195:

Just make sure it is all plugged into a wall outlet that is protected by a Federal Pacific load center. Also knob and tube wiring would add a nice touch.


OMG - house we bought last year that still has knob and tube wiring. Still saving cash to pay for a complete re-wire. Have changed out a couple of outlets and was greeted with fabric-insulated wires. AAAAHHHH! Yay 100 year old house!

09 Dec 2012 01:40 AM
shift_DAWG     

esotericelement: "What's this world coming too..."


THIS. The article is based in Canada, so it should've been spelled "tou" as in colour, flavour, etc.

09 Dec 2012 04:48 AM
shift_DAWG     
My worst-case doomsday contingency (lose job, wife bails) includes taking $15k and buying a few acres off the beaten path in NW AZ (Kingman/Ash Fork area) and one of those semi-livable sheds at home depot (along these lines). oh and a generator. and guns, guns, guns.

/is it wrong that I kinda WANT to do this?

09 Dec 2012 05:00 AM
ComaToast     
I only buy Monster Cable extension cords for this very reason. Now I can't afford electricity - no fire hazard!

09 Dec 2012 05:56 AM
Rik01    [TotalFark]  
Fleming described the small building as "a standard type of metal garden shed that you'd get at your local hardware store. It certainly doesn't look like a place for people to be living in."

To The Escape Zeppelin


They weren't homeless until the city kicked them out of their rental. It's clearly better that they wander the street than live in sub par housing.

A lady I know had an old travel trailer on her property that had been unused for years. So when a couple of guys she knew became homeless, she let them stay in it. They were doing day labor plus had construction skills, so they were able to work now and then and were trying to get on their feet. They ran a heavy duty extension cord from her house to the trailer. Knowing about electricity, they used it mainly for lighting, alternating the loads between that and a hot plate. Mostly they cooked outside with an old BBQ with they fueled with the ample dried branches of the many oak trees about.

They ran a hose from her house for water. She let them use her bathroom. They didn't pay rent, but helped her out with the power bill, did repairs for her around her old house, even ran electrical wires to power a window a/c unit someone gave her.

Her house, BTW, was an old wooden one, built some time in the early 50's. She was on Social Security Income. (Meaning darn little.) Also food stamps.

The two guys scavenged for food also, getting things like day old bagels the bagel shop was throwing out, harvesting wilted vegetables from grocery store dumpsters, using the local Poor Pantries when they could.

They shared it all with her. They also fished when they could in the local river.

It was, IMO, a workable symbiotic relationship. They protected her from the many nuts in the neighborhood and fixed things her slumlord landlord wouldn't and she gave them shelter. When winter came, she often let them inside her home, where they slept in her living room. Too risky to run an electric heater in the trailer. Plus the house's electrical system was old.

Eventually, someone from the city observed this and promptly stepped in and told her to get rid of them or provide them with adequate, safe living accommodations, plus they pointed out that it was illegal for a trailer to be lived in on her half acre lot. (Here, to live outside a mobile home park, on land you own, with an anchored mobile home up to spec's, you needed 5 acres. The local leaders decided that ages ago. Just as land values were starting to rise.)

She could face fines of a couple of hundred dollars a day. She had to get rid of the trailer also, since it was considered uninhabitable.

Apparently, it's considered fine for the homeless to be kicked out of structures not up to code and go live in cardboard boxes, abandoned, rotting houses, abandoned buildings, in tents in patches of woods or the very few, very under funded local homeless shelters where the residents will rob and steal from each other than to do as these guys were: living quietly, saving money to get an apartment and working as often as they could plus helping out their benefactor in ways the state and her landlord wouldn't.

So, they moved into the main house for a time and hauled the old trailer to the dumps. Eventually they had to find somewhere else to live because the landlord, noting the additional people INSIDE his property, started demanding higher rent.

He never cared if they lived in the old trailer.

So, when they left, the lady lost a lot of free help which she needed. Plus, with the guys gone, things started vanishing from her yard and home.

In times of economic crisis, governing bodies tend to loose all common sense and compassion. Better for the poor to live in dirt than some place not up to code.

BTW. In my town, if abandoned buildings are discovered to have a homeless group living in them, the city tears them down. Including digging up the foundation.
They also do not contribute to the homeless shelter which has been fighting for years to stay open and to make itself safer.

09 Dec 2012 01:25 PM
runescorpio     

Dadoody: So....shed considered unsuitable living space as opposed to...the street?


Air vents in alleys are way safer. So are the shelters full of drug dealers and thieves. A shelter that allows pets?
Sounds like a fun place...

09 Dec 2012 02:50 PM
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