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10 Dec 2012 11:19 AM   |   3144 clicks   |   C|Net
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Theaetetus     
There was an interesting explanation in the related thread on Slashdot that seems to point to the cause:
The root cause of this, and many of the other errors in city location observed throughout Australia, is actually quite simple and I don't know why Apple haven't fixed it yet. It was a bit of a facepalm moment when I realised what was actually going on with the Australian maps on iOS6.

Basically there are two problems:

1. Apple Maps is marking the centre of local government areas (analogous to a county, for American readers) as a point location, rather than a name for a large area of land (i.e. it's treating them as locations you can navigate to); and

2. In the case that a search query matches both a local government area name, AND a town name ... it preferences the local government area (which as mentioned, is being mapped as an exact point roughly in the middle of the area, generally in the middle of nowhere)

For example, follow the Hume Highway south from Sydney a little way and you will see a point marked as Wingecaribee, east of the highway, roughly in the vicinity of where the town of Moss Vale is (though, as noted, the GUI chooses to display Wingecaribee prominently, but doesn't mark Moss Vale or any other towns at all, unless you zoom in really close). The point marked as Wingecaribee is just a random spot in rugged forested terrain. Nothing's actually there. This is simply the centre of the Wingecaribee Shire. But there is no actual town called Wingecaribee so apart from looking weird, this doesn't hurt anything.

BUT ... keep following the highway south and you will soon come to the next shire, Goulburn Shire. Again, the centre of this local government area is marked as a point, called "Goulburn" and again, it's not anywhere near anything. It's in the middle of some random farmer's field somewhere. BUT THIS TIME, we have a problem, because within Goulburn Shire, there is actually also a town called Goulburn. But if you search for 'Goulburn', you are directed to the centre of the Goulburn Shire, NOT the town. This is completely retarded, as noone ever searches for things by local government area name in Australia (many people don't even know the name of their LGA ... they aren't as prominently known as counties in the US), and even if they did, wouldn't want to be directed to some arbitrary point near the middle of it with no regard for whether there's anything there.

This is what has happened in TFA too. There is a Mildura local government area. Within that, there is also a city called Mildura. But the city isn't marked; only the centre of the LGA. Which as stated, is in the middle of bloody nowhere.

Basically whoever processed the Australian mapping data has interpreted LGA (shire, county etc.) names as locality (town, city) names. And has given them prominence in both display and search results over actual localities. Should be simple to fix, surely. The data is there - it's just being used incorrectly.


I wonder if we have the same problem in the states... anyone know of a name that's shared by a town and county where the town isn't in the center of the county?

10 Dec 2012 10:05 AM
ThunderChild     
So they're having problems with finding strangers in the Alps?

10 Dec 2012 11:23 AM
JohnCarter     
Where have I seen something similar?

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10 Dec 2012 11:24 AM
aagrajag     
In which the term "to Darwin" refers to ending up in that shiathole?

10 Dec 2012 11:24 AM
JackieRabbit     
Is Apple's map app really that bad? I don't use a map app much, so I can't really judge. I have played with Apple's new map app and I was surprised at how much more accurate the GPS is. Google Maps could get me in my neighborhood, but only rarely within a block of my house. Apple's not only places me at my house, but on the correct side of it, if I'm out in the yard. So I'm guessing the main problem is poor map metadata?

10 Dec 2012 11:25 AM
Doc Daneeka     
A few weeks ago I asked Apple Maps to direct me to the IKEA in Elizabeth, NJ. It directed me to the end of a dead-end street, underneath an overpass, a good five miles away from the IKEA, and then cheerfully informed me that I had arrived at my destination. That was pretty sketchy.

I like the new iOS, but since then, we've been relying on my wife's Android phone for GPS navigation. Apple Maps simply was released half-baked and not ready for primetime. Very un-Apple-like to release such a shoddy product.

10 Dec 2012 11:27 AM
ha-ha-guy     

Doc Daneeka: A few weeks ago I asked Apple Maps to direct me to the IKEA in Elizabeth, NJ. It directed me to the end of a dead-end street, underneath an overpass, a good five miles away from the IKEA, and then cheerfully informed me that I had arrived at my destination. That was pretty sketchy.

I like the new iOS, but since then, we've been relying on my wife's Android phone for GPS navigation. Apple Maps simply was released half-baked and not ready for primetime. Very un-Apple-like to release such a shoddy product.


I find it odd how Steve had an intense hatred of Google for various reasons, but even he was smart enough not to dump Google maps on the device. It was his successors who did it in a horribly half assed fashion.

/come on Apple just admit the farkup and release an update where you can select Apple or google maps

10 Dec 2012 11:33 AM
Russ1642     
The GPS is there to help out your trip planning. You're supposed to verify the route, the destinations, etc. And for Christ's sake people, read the road signs along the way.

10 Dec 2012 11:33 AM
JackieRabbit     

Doc Daneeka: A few weeks ago I asked Apple Maps to direct me to the IKEA in Elizabeth, NJ. It directed me to the end of a dead-end street, underneath an overpass, a good five miles away from the IKEA, and then cheerfully informed me that I had arrived at my destination. That was pretty sketchy.

I like the new iOS, but since then, we've been relying on my wife's Android phone for GPS navigation. Apple Maps simply was released half-baked and not ready for primetime. Very un-Apple-like to release such a shoddy product.


There's an application called GPS Drive, which is quite good. It's free, but they want to to pay them $$ for the voice direction (you get it as a trial for 30 days). As I posted earlier, I don't use map apps much. But I did put Apple's to the test by asking it to route me from home to my house in the mountains. It selected two appropriate routes and both were accurate. Positioning was dead on the whole trip. I think Apple's app will get better. I remember everyone leveling the same criticisms against Google when their map app was new and today it's solid.

10 Dec 2012 11:34 AM
BitwiseShift     
Subby, don't Tazman me, you devil.

10 Dec 2012 11:35 AM
hogans     

Theaetetus: I wonder if we have the same problem in the states... anyone know of a name that's shared by a town and county where the town isn't in the center of the county?


How about Essex, Massachusetts?

10 Dec 2012 11:36 AM
Bermuda59     
Anyone travelling to Mildura or other locations within Victoria should rely on other forms of mapping until this matter is rectified," the police concluded.


At least it didn't send them to Miranda

10 Dec 2012 11:36 AM
Mr Guy     

hogans: Theaetetus: I wonder if we have the same problem in the states... anyone know of a name that's shared by a town and county where the town isn't in the center of the county?

How about Essex, Massachusetts?


Where does it tell you "Jacksonville, FL" is?

10 Dec 2012 11:43 AM
BigLuca    [TotalFark]  

ThunderChild: So they're having problems with finding strangers in the Alps?


You are mixing up Australia with Austria, which seems to be a common mistake for some reason. One has Barbies and boxing kangaroos and the other has leather pants and Hitlers. They both start with "Austr", but one ends quickly with a "ia" and the other kinda stretches out. They have similar names because Austrailia was settled by prisoners from Austria and they wanted to make it feel like home, but that was a long time ago (in the BC era) so they people evolved over generations to become shrunken dark dudes with bones in their noses and no shirts (or "Outbacks") to better survive the harsh desert like conditions. And finally, Australia is almost twice the size of Austria and about 1,000 miles away (in any direction cause it's on the other side of the Earth).

10 Dec 2012 11:44 AM
Marine1     
That's downright esoteric, subs.

/unless you're really into operating systems

10 Dec 2012 11:44 AM
imfallen_angel     
it's a feature.

10 Dec 2012 11:45 AM
aagrajag     

BigLuca: ThunderChild: So they're having problems with finding strangers in the Alps?

You are mixing up Australia with Austria, which seems to be a common mistake for some reason. One has Barbies and boxing kangaroos and the other has leather pants and Hitlers. They both start with "Austr", but one ends quickly with a "ia" and the other kinda stretches out. They have similar names because Austrailia was settled by prisoners from Austria and they wanted to make it feel like home, but that was a long time ago (in the BC era) so they people evolved over generations to become shrunken dark dudes with bones in their noses and no shirts (or "Outbacks") to better survive the harsh desert like conditions. And finally, Australia is almost twice the size of Austria and about 1,000 miles away (in any direction cause it's on the other side of the Earth).


New here, huh? It 's a "thing" to deliberately confuse the two.

10 Dec 2012 11:46 AM
JackieRabbit     

Russ1642: The GPS is there to help out your trip planning. You're supposed to verify the route, the destinations, etc. And for Christ's sake people, read the road signs along the way.


You'd be shocked at just how many young people today wouldn't even know where to start. I know a few people who, if you took their smartphone or tablet away from them, they'd instantly panic and become helpless. They can't be blamed, though. They have grown up being taught to depend on technology instead of their intellect and they were never taught basic skills.

10 Dec 2012 11:47 AM
aagrajag     

BigLuca: ThunderChild: So they're having problems with finding strangers in the Alps?

You are mixing up Australia with Austria, which seems to be a common mistake for some reason. One has Barbies and boxing kangaroos and the other has leather pants and Hitlers. They both start with "Austr", but one ends quickly with a "ia" and the other kinda stretches out. They have similar names because Austrailia was settled by prisoners from Austria and they wanted to make it feel like home, but that was a long time ago (in the BC era) so they people evolved over generations to become shrunken dark dudes with bones in their noses and no shirts (or "Outbacks") to better survive the harsh desert like conditions. And finally, Australia is almost twice the size of Austria and about 1,000 miles away (in any direction cause it's on the other side of the Earth).


Upon checking your profile, you are most decidedly *not* new here. Maybe you just don't come around as often.

It's a very stupid meme.

10 Dec 2012 11:47 AM
Theaetetus     

hogans: Theaetetus: I wonder if we have the same problem in the states... anyone know of a name that's shared by a town and county where the town isn't in the center of the county?

How about Essex, Massachusetts?


Looks to be northwest of South Hamilton, between Highland and Bay, so too far west.

Mr Guy: Where does it tell you "Jacksonville, FL" is?


Right downtown. But, it looks like that's also the center of Jacksonville county.

10 Dec 2012 11:47 AM
Temporarily Qualmless     

ha-ha-guy: /come on Apple just admit the farkup and release an update where you can select Apple or google maps


This. Time for a little humility.

Won't hurt for too long, will do a lot to enhance your reputation, since everyone pretty much knows you farked up.

10 Dec 2012 11:48 AM
pastorkius     

aagrajag: BigLuca: ThunderChild: So they're having problems with finding strangers in the Alps?

You are mixing up Australia with Austria, which seems to be a common mistake for some reason. One has Barbies and boxing kangaroos and the other has leather pants and Hitlers. They both start with "Austr", but one ends quickly with a "ia" and the other kinda stretches out. They have similar names because Austrailia was settled by prisoners from Austria and they wanted to make it feel like home, but that was a long time ago (in the BC era) so they people evolved over generations to become shrunken dark dudes with bones in their noses and no shirts (or "Outbacks") to better survive the harsh desert like conditions. And finally, Australia is almost twice the size of Austria and about 1,000 miles away (in any direction cause it's on the other side of the Earth).

New here, huh? It 's a "thing" to deliberately confuse the two.


Might want to re-read that paragraph.

10 Dec 2012 11:49 AM
Theaetetus     

Temporarily Qualmless: ha-ha-guy: /come on Apple just admit the farkup and release an update where you can select Apple or google maps

This. Time for a little humility.


Part of the problem there is that Google wasn't updating the Maps app, while they were providing tons of updates on Android.

10 Dec 2012 11:49 AM
jspenguin     

Theaetetus: anyone know of a name that's shared by a town and county where the town isn't in the center of the county?


In Kansas, there is a county called Wichita near the Colorado border. The city of Wichita is in Sedgwick county, in south-central Kansas. There is also a city called Sedgwick which is in Harvey county.

10 Dec 2012 11:50 AM
StrangeQ     
I still refuse to update the iOs on my phone because of this bullshiat. It's starting to become extremely inconvenient as more and more apps are requiring the latest version to install properly

/may be time to finally jailbreak the thing

10 Dec 2012 11:50 AM
jscart     
NavFree works great on both iOS and Android. Just download the maps for where you're going and you're done.

10 Dec 2012 11:50 AM
mark12A     
BigLuca ==== -n00b-

10 Dec 2012 11:51 AM
Theaetetus     

jspenguin: Theaetetus: anyone know of a name that's shared by a town and county where the town isn't in the center of the county?

In Kansas, there is a county called Wichita near the Colorado border. The city of Wichita is in Sedgwick county, in south-central Kansas. There is also a city called Sedgwick which is in Harvey county.


Huh. Both Wichita and Sedgwick land properly on their cities.

10 Dec 2012 11:51 AM
aagrajag     

pastorkius: aagrajag: BigLuca: ThunderChild: So they're having problems with finding strangers in the Alps?

You are mixing up Australia with Austria, which seems to be a common mistake for some reason. One has Barbies and boxing kangaroos and the other has leather pants and Hitlers. They both start with "Austr", but one ends quickly with a "ia" and the other kinda stretches out. They have similar names because Austrailia was settled by prisoners from Austria and they wanted to make it feel like home, but that was a long time ago (in the BC era) so they people evolved over generations to become shrunken dark dudes with bones in their noses and no shirts (or "Outbacks") to better survive the harsh desert like conditions. And finally, Australia is almost twice the size of Austria and about 1,000 miles away (in any direction cause it's on the other side of the Earth).

New here, huh? It 's a "thing" to deliberately confuse the two.

Might want to re-read that paragraph.


Oh, Christ, I feel stupid now.

//drinking
///shochu
////a lot

*skulks away in shame*

10 Dec 2012 11:52 AM
aagrajag     

mark12A: BigLuca ==== -n00b-


Got you too, eh?

10 Dec 2012 11:52 AM
BigLuca    [TotalFark]  

aagrajag: BigLuca: ThunderChild: So they're having problems with finding strangers in the Alps?

You are mixing up Australia with Austria, which seems to be a common mistake for some reason. One has Barbies and boxing kangaroos and the other has leather pants and Hitlers. They both start with "Austr", but one ends quickly with a "ia" and the other kinda stretches out. They have similar names because Austrailia was settled by prisoners from Austria and they wanted to make it feel like home, but that was a long time ago (in the BC era) so they people evolved over generations to become shrunken dark dudes with bones in their noses and no shirts (or "Outbacks") to better survive the harsh desert like conditions. And finally, Australia is almost twice the size of Austria and about 1,000 miles away (in any direction cause it's on the other side of the Earth).

Upon checking your profile, you are most decidedly *not* new here. Maybe you just don't come around as often.

It's a very stupid meme.


I play up that meme at almost every opportunity and there is always someone that doesn't get it and tries to "correct" me. I just wanted to see how the other half lived for once.

10 Dec 2012 11:52 AM
freewill    [TotalFark]  

Theaetetus: hogans: Theaetetus: I wonder if we have the same problem in the states... anyone know of a name that's shared by a town and county where the town isn't in the center of the county?

How about Essex, Massachusetts?

Looks to be northwest of South Hamilton, between Highland and Bay, so too far west.

Mr Guy: Where does it tell you "Jacksonville, FL" is?

Right downtown. But, it looks like that's also the center of Jacksonville county.


Not sure how precise this issue is, but both the center and northern boundary of Los Angeles, California appear to substantially south of the center of Los Angeles County. However, there appear to be some outlying islands included, in which case the center of the county might be on the coast.

10 Dec 2012 11:53 AM
aagrajag     

BigLuca: aagrajag: BigLuca: ThunderChild: So they're having problems with finding strangers in the Alps?

You are mixing up Australia with Austria, which seems to be a common mistake for some reason. One has Barbies and boxing kangaroos and the other has leather pants and Hitlers. They both start with "Austr", but one ends quickly with a "ia" and the other kinda stretches out. They have similar names because Austrailia was settled by prisoners from Austria and they wanted to make it feel like home, but that was a long time ago (in the BC era) so they people evolved over generations to become shrunken dark dudes with bones in their noses and no shirts (or "Outbacks") to better survive the harsh desert like conditions. And finally, Australia is almost twice the size of Austria and about 1,000 miles away (in any direction cause it's on the other side of the Earth).

Upon checking your profile, you are most decidedly *not* new here. Maybe you just don't come around as often.

It's a very stupid meme.

I play up that meme at almost every opportunity and there is always someone that doesn't get it and tries to "correct" me. I just wanted to see how the other half lived for once.


I read the first sentence and just assumed... Yeah, I should read more carefully.

You got me. I owe you a beer if you ever find yourself in Nagano.

10 Dec 2012 11:56 AM
Raithun     

Theaetetus: I wonder if we have the same problem in the states... anyone know of a name that's shared by a town and county where the town isn't in the center of the county?


Matagorda, TX is along the coast and a solid 15-20 miles SE of the center of Matagorda County.

Then, of course, there's Austin, Houston, Crockett, and Milam Counties, not one of which is anywhere close to the city that shares its name.

10 Dec 2012 11:56 AM
Elfich     

ha-ha-guy: Doc Daneeka: A few weeks ago I asked Apple Maps to direct me to the IKEA in Elizabeth, NJ. It directed me to the end of a dead-end street, underneath an overpass, a good five miles away from the IKEA, and then cheerfully informed me that I had arrived at my destination. That was pretty sketchy.

I like the new iOS, but since then, we've been relying on my wife's Android phone for GPS navigation. Apple Maps simply was released half-baked and not ready for primetime. Very un-Apple-like to release such a shoddy product.

I find it odd how Steve had an intense hatred of Google for various reasons, but even he was smart enough not to dump Google maps on the device. It was his successors who did it in a horribly half assed fashion.

/come on Apple just admit the farkup and release an update where you can select Apple or google maps


Apple has already fired a couple of senior people over the subject. No word on when it will be fixed though.

I think mapping was a subject that Apple wasn't quite cognizent of the depth and breadth of the subject. Everyone admits that MapQuest and Googlemaps had issues when they were first released. Google has had ten years to revise and improve their maps and add some really nice features. Google maps is rarely wrong and gets most of the weird merges and roadway crap in the Boston area correct (not perfect but pretty good).

Apple is now having to play serious catchup. Their maps are clearly inferior and I don't trust them. Plus they are missing features I had come to depend on (mass transit, walking routes, bike routes).

10 Dec 2012 11:57 AM
Mr Guy     

Theaetetus: hogans: Theaetetus: I wonder if we have the same problem in the states... anyone know of a name that's shared by a town and county where the town isn't in the center of the county?

How about Essex, Massachusetts?

Looks to be northwest of South Hamilton, between Highland and Bay, so too far west.

Mr Guy: Where does it tell you "Jacksonville, FL" is?

Right downtown. But, it looks like that's also the center of Jacksonville county.


I was curious if the water would throw off the geography of it. I've definitely seen maps that label Jacksonville as being mid-bay/lake/harbor, whatever that water is considered.

10 Dec 2012 11:57 AM
Elfich     

StrangeQ: I still refuse to update the iOs on my phone because of this bullshiat. It's starting to become extremely inconvenient as more and more apps are requiring the latest version to install properly

/may be time to finally jailbreak the thing


That may be really hard. The most recent iphones and iOS6 have not gotten past tethered jailbreaks.

10 Dec 2012 11:58 AM
Insatiable Jesus     
Right now, somebody out there is trying to come up with a plan to have Apple Maps fark him over and give him grounds for an 8 digit lawsuit.

Here's hoping he succeeds.

10 Dec 2012 12:03 PM
BigLuca    [TotalFark]  

aagrajag:
You got me. I owe you a beer if you ever find yourself in Nagano.


Well, I don't think I'll ever travel to China, but if I do I'll take you up on that beer!

:-P

10 Dec 2012 12:04 PM
Dr Dreidel     

Insatiable Jesus: Right now, somebody out there is trying to come up with a plan to have Apple Maps fark him over and give him grounds for an 8 digit lawsuit.

Here's hoping he succeeds.


Online maps have been around for 15 years, and GPS units for 8-10. I'd think we've all but exhausted the possibilities - isn't there already tons of precedent (from MapQuest, mostly, I'd wager) that you can't sue based on directions? That and the fine print (which isn't iron-clad, as we all know) that says they make no promises about the directions.

10 Dec 2012 12:09 PM
aagrajag     

BigLuca: aagrajag:
You got me. I owe you a beer if you ever find yourself in Nagano.

Well, I don't think I'll ever travel to China, but if I do I'll take you up on that beer!

:-P


Iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg

10 Dec 2012 12:09 PM
JoeyJoJo     
The five northern stations along the Red Line on the DC metro were closed this weekend, so I had to drive to the Fort Totten metro station to catch the metro. The POS Apple Map showed 'no results' for that search so instead I headed towards Fort Totten Park (which it miraculously found), then looked for Metro station signs from there. Same issue in NYC a few weeks ago with the subway stations and not being able to find them easily.

It's ridiculous that it's been at least a couple months and we're still dealing with this shiat. I've been having problems with the maps for a while now and since I travel for work, I need the maps to be accurate.

I've given up and I'm now waiting for Jelly Bean to be the native install on the Galaxy SIII and I'm jumping ship. At least I'll get my precious Google Maps back.

\I submitted this with a better headline

10 Dec 2012 12:12 PM
Fark Rye For Many Whores     

Theaetetus: I wonder if we have the same problem in the states... anyone know of a name that's shared by a town and county where the town isn't in the center of the county?


Bmore, and some towns (even smaller ones) in Va.

10 Dec 2012 12:14 PM
LewDux     

aagrajag: BigLuca: aagrajag: BigLuca: ThunderChild: So they're having problems with finding strangers in the Alps?

You are mixing up Australia with Austria, which seems to be a common mistake for some reason. One has Barbies and boxing kangaroos and the other has leather pants and Hitlers. They both start with "Austr", but one ends quickly with a "ia" and the other kinda stretches out. They have similar names because Austrailia was settled by prisoners from Austria and they wanted to make it feel like home, but that was a long time ago (in the BC era) so they people evolved over generations to become shrunken dark dudes with bones in their noses and no shirts (or "Outbacks") to better survive the harsh desert like conditions. And finally, Australia is almost twice the size of Austria and about 1,000 miles away (in any direction cause it's on the other side of the Earth).

Upon checking your profile, you are most decidedly *not* new here. Maybe you just don't come around as often.

It's a very stupid meme.

I play up that meme at almost every opportunity and there is always someone that doesn't get it and tries to "correct" me. I just wanted to see how the other half lived for once.

I read the first sentence and just assumed... Yeah, I should read more carefully.

You got me. I owe you a beer if you ever find yourself in Nagano.


I wouldn't mind finding myself in Nagano

10 Dec 2012 12:17 PM
Fark Rye For Many Whores     
Australia police discourage use of Apple maps so motorists won't Darwin themselves

So you're saying someone's lost? We need to find someone? We'll figure out who it is quick enough - just tell me who hasn't been seen for a while. Who's long gone?

10 Dec 2012 12:22 PM
Random Discord     

Bermuda59: Anyone travelling to Mildura or other locations within Victoria should rely on other forms of mapping until this matter is rectified," the police concluded.


At least it didn't send them to Miranda


Cant, its not on any of the charts.

10 Dec 2012 12:26 PM
ErnieBert     
Get Waze!
GPS + police trap + Hazards + auto traffic rerouting + free

10 Dec 2012 12:34 PM
BullBearMS     

It could be much, much worse. One woman lost her six year old son after their GPS device led them onto an unusable road in Death Valley.

Death by GPS.

Oh, and the error that killed her son was present in Google Maps and the Park Ranger had a hell of a time getting them to correct it.

Lately, Callagan has been working with technology companies to remove closed and hazardous roads from their navigation databases - but with only partial success.

"I'm pulling my hair," he said. "I was never able to reach a single human with Google Earth Maps. But in their system, they have a way you can let them know something is wrong. And over the course of a year, I was able to get their maps updated."

10 Dec 2012 12:39 PM
Fark Rye For Many Whores     

Random Discord: Bermuda59: Anyone travelling to Mildura or other locations within Victoria should rely on other forms of mapping until this matter is rectified," the police concluded.


At least it didn't send them to Miranda

Cant, its not on any of the charts.


And it's a colony for crazies.

10 Dec 2012 12:40 PM
BigLuca    [TotalFark]  

aagrajag: BigLuca: aagrajag:
You got me. I owe you a beer if you ever find yourself in Nagano.

Well, I don't think I'll ever travel to China, but if I do I'll take you up on that beer!

:-P

Iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg


Can I ask you a Japanese language question? The Japanese calligraphy that you see on scrolls and wall hangings, someone once told me that it's actually Chinese, is that true?

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