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   Going forward, West Virginia University would prefer its mascots refrain from killing bears with their school-issued muskets

10 Dec 2012 10:10 AM   |   3856 clicks   |   AL.com
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kd8our     
And they complain about that MTV show...

10 Dec 2012 10:12 AM
Enemabag Jones     
Better watch it, he could go postal on a very slow crowd with that thing.

10 Dec 2012 10:12 AM
KrispyKritter     
the bears would probably feel better about that too

10 Dec 2012 10:13 AM
ChipNASA     
But he NEEDED killin....jes sayin is all.

10 Dec 2012 10:15 AM
rjakobi     
But shooting Hokies is okay, right?

10 Dec 2012 10:16 AM
sp86     
Guess they can't bear the thought of him associating their school with hunting. I mean, remember how upset NFL fans got when the Chiefs mascot scalped a guy?

10 Dec 2012 10:16 AM
TheOther     
Pussy. That's what the school-issued knife is for.

10 Dec 2012 10:16 AM
drjekel_mrhyde     
I'm okay with hunting to cull a population , but I'll never eat the meat.
/Monsters Inside Me spooks the shiat out of me.
//Was up most of night searching Google for parasites, while scratching like a mad man

10 Dec 2012 10:18 AM
stuhayes2010     
Didn't know that was a real muzzle loader.

10 Dec 2012 10:20 AM
Jesus Burnt My Hotdog     
You Septics are aware that to native English speakers, the word "coonskin" conjours up images of a sort of brownish leather, you know, something your more Southern residents would be proudly sporting rather than the pelt of a small furry animal?

10 Dec 2012 10:22 AM
Eddy Gurge    [TotalFark]  
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10 Dec 2012 10:22 AM
NashMcNash     

kd8our: And they complain about that MTV show...


This. WVU fans bask in their reputation as couch burning rednecks, but have been crying foul over this MTV show depicted them as couch burning rednecks.

10 Dec 2012 10:23 AM
EngineerBob     
drjekel_mrhyde

I'm okay with hunting to cull a population , but I'll never eat the meat.
/Monsters Inside Me spooks the shiat out of me.
//Was up most of night searching Google for parasites, while scratching like a mad man

Fire fix this.
So easy caveman can do.

10 Dec 2012 10:24 AM
abhorrent1     
Takes a real man to shoot a helpless bear hiding in a tree.

10 Dec 2012 10:25 AM
Prank Monkey     
I find this to be incredibly awesome. I had no idea that was a functioning musket. I want to hang out with this guy and drink beer and eat bear chili.

10 Dec 2012 10:29 AM
Talondel     

Jesus Burnt My Hotdog: coonskin


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I'm pretty sure I'm a native speaker of English, and to me it just refers to the pelt of a raccoon. It frontier days, these skins were often fashioned into hats. Numerous online dictionaries support this definition.  I can't find a single example of usage that corresponds to what you seem to think it means.

Of course, you also used the phrase 'septics' as though it was proper noun, rather than a slang term, so your mastery of language is already questionable at best.

10 Dec 2012 10:35 AM
lack of warmth     

kd8our: And they complain about that MTV show...


done in one.

10 Dec 2012 10:36 AM
FuLinHyu    [TotalFark]  
But they play Baylor in the Big 12 now...

10 Dec 2012 10:39 AM
Jesus Burnt My Hotdog     

Talondel: pointless pedantry


You must be a blast at parties.

10 Dec 2012 10:42 AM
dentalhilljack     

NashMcNash: kd8our: And they complain about that MTV show...

This. WVU fans bask in their reputation as couch burning rednecks, but have been crying foul over this MTV show depicted them as couch burning rednecks.


To be fair, many of the couch burners in Sunnyside are out of state students from New Jersey. Not that anyone would make a show about Jersey trash......

10 Dec 2012 10:45 AM
Englebert Slaptyback     

NashMcNash


This. WVU fans bask in their reputation as couch burning rednecks, but have been crying foul over this MTV show depicted them as couch burning rednecks.


Why do they burn couches? I mean why do they choose couches over other things?

10 Dec 2012 10:45 AM
Insatiable Jesus     
WTF?

Why don't tags work with Opera any more?

10 Dec 2012 10:47 AM
dittybopper    [TotalFark]  

abhorrent1: Takes a real man to shoot a helpless bear hiding in a tree.


With a single shot weapon that takes a while to reload? That's semi-even odds. If you miss, or just wound the bear, the bear has a chance to either escape, or to make your life interesting in deep laceration-y, puncture wound-y, blunt trauma-y sorts of ways.

10 Dec 2012 10:47 AM
ChipNASA     
PRAY FOR HONEY BOO BOO!!!!!!
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10 Dec 2012 10:50 AM
stuffy     
Holy Farking sheat! They let him have a real gun? The anti gun crowd is going to lose there little minds.

10 Dec 2012 10:51 AM
dittybopper    [TotalFark]  
IT'S NOT A MUSKET!

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Look at the trigger guard: It's got double-set triggers. That makes it a rifle. No musket, which are smoothbores*, and thus relatively inaccurate, would need the accuracy improvement that comes from double-set triggers.

Also, a real man would use a flintlock, not one of them there new-fangled persuction guns.



*With the exception of rifled muskets, but that doesn't apply here.

10 Dec 2012 10:52 AM
abhorrent1     

dittybopper: the bear has a chance to either escape, or to make your life interesting in deep laceration-y, puncture wound-y, blunt trauma-y sorts of ways.


That's the outcome I prefer.

10 Dec 2012 10:53 AM
dittybopper    [TotalFark]  

stuffy: Holy Farking sheat! They let him have a real gun? The anti gun crowd is going to lose there little minds.


Under federal law, it's not a gun.

Also, there is no way that I'm aware of to make an accurate looking gun like that, that is incapable of firing a projectile. It's not like a modern breechloader where you can modify the barrel so that a conventional cartridge won't chamber.

10 Dec 2012 10:54 AM
umrdyldo     
Episode of Buck Wild?

10 Dec 2012 10:57 AM
xtrc8u     
Yea!! We're the Mountaineers!!
Wait, the guy portraying our mascot really is a mountaineer?? Boooo, big mean bear killer. Mountaineers are bad people. Booo.

10 Dec 2012 10:58 AM
dittybopper    [TotalFark]  

abhorrent1: dittybopper: the bear has a chance to either escape, or to make your life interesting in deep laceration-y, puncture wound-y, blunt trauma-y sorts of ways.

That's the outcome I prefer.


You'd love me then. This is what I hunt with:

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I stopped using modern guns to hunt with about 10 years ago, and stopped using a modern bow about 6 years ago. I'm starting to transition from using steel broadheads to one ones I knapped myself:

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10 Dec 2012 10:59 AM
detroitdoesntsuckthatbad     

NashMcNash: kd8our: And they complain about that MTV show...

This. WVU fans bask in their reputation as couch burning rednecks, but have been crying foul over this MTV show depicted them as couch burning rednecks.


Hey now, if they did that their whole front yard would go up in flames.

10 Dec 2012 11:00 AM
Cyrusv10     
Hahaaha "Going forward"

10 Dec 2012 11:00 AM
hdhale     

dittybopper: IT'S NOT A MUSKET!

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Look at the trigger guard: It's got double-set triggers. That makes it a rifle. No musket, which are smoothbores*, and thus relatively inaccurate, would need the accuracy improvement that comes from double-set triggers.

Also, a real man would use a flintlock, not one of them there new-fangled persuction guns.



*With the exception of rifled muskets, but that doesn't apply here.


Smooth bore muskets were generally pretty accurate out of about 100 meters. Rifled muskets out to about 300 meters. Percussion caps were invented in 1839, and likely Davey Crockett used them, but Daniel Boone did not.

Kudos to the mascot though who is "as advertised" and not some Econ major who took the job as a mascot because he likes tight ends and was nervous the first time he had to touch that "big, ugly hand held cannon".

10 Dec 2012 11:00 AM
NashMcNash     

dentalhilljack: NashMcNash: kd8our: And they complain about that MTV show...

This. WVU fans bask in their reputation as couch burning rednecks, but have been crying foul over this MTV show depicted them as couch burning rednecks.

To be fair, many of the couch burners in Sunnyside are out of state students from New Jersey. Not that anyone would make a show about Jersey trash......


That is a fair assessment. I've always said Morgantown isn't bad in July, when everyone is in New Jersey.

10 Dec 2012 11:06 AM
dentalhilljack     
Regarding the hunt - it was a legal kill. Bears were in season and he supposedly checked in the bear at a DNR station where it weighed in somewhere around 150 pounds (black bears are not big).

Previous Mountaineer mascots have said that they hunted with the official rifle when they were serving. Of course, the rest of them had the good sense (a) not to film it, (b) edit in the fight song, (c) start chanting "Let's Go Mountaineers!" and (d) release the whole thing on Youtube. There was no policy against using the rifle to hunt because no one previously called attention to themselves doing it. Like many laws, it's the realization that it happened that causes a policy to be set.

Unlike many of my family I am not a hunter and don't take pleasure in seeing animals get killed, even though there is an overpopulation of bears and deer in urban areas here. Having said that, Jonathan didn't do anything wrong, legally or technically by WVU guidelines before Friday. All he's guilty of is being a colossal dumbass for posting the video in the first place.

10 Dec 2012 11:06 AM
dentalhilljack     

NashMcNash: dentalhilljack: NashMcNash: kd8our: And they complain about that MTV show...

This. WVU fans bask in their reputation as couch burning rednecks, but have been crying foul over this MTV show depicted them as couch burning rednecks.

To be fair, many of the couch burners in Sunnyside are out of state students from New Jersey. Not that anyone would make a show about Jersey trash......

That is a fair assessment. I've always said Morgantown isn't bad in July, when everyone is in New Jersey.


Heck, this'll be a good December. Students leave in a week and global warming is keeping the snow off the ground.

10 Dec 2012 11:08 AM
HMS_Blinkin     
Why exactly did the school need to issue him a musket that was capable of firing projectiles? Wouldn't it be really easy to make a musket that would make smoke and noise at football games but be incapable of actually shooting stuff?

10 Dec 2012 11:13 AM
TofuTheAlmighty     

dittybopper: I stopped using modern guns to hunt with about 10 years ago, and stopped using a modern bow about 6 years ago. I'm starting to transition from using steel broadheads to one ones I knapped myself:


Pffft, I only hunt with atlatls.

10 Dec 2012 11:19 AM
dittybopper    [TotalFark]  

hdhale: Smooth bore muskets were generally pretty accurate out of about 100 meters.


No they weren't:

A soldier's musket if not exceedingly ill-bored (as many are), will strike the figure of a man at 80 yards, perhaps even at 100; but a soldier must be very unfortunate indeed who shall be wounded by a common musket at 150 yards, providing his antagonist aims at him; and as for firing at a man at 200 yards with a common musket, you might just as well fire at the moon and have the same hope of hitting your object. I do maintain and will prove, whenever called on, that no man was ever killed at 200 yards by a common soldier's musket by the person who aimed at him. - Colonel George Hanger, 1814.

Note he is saying that some fraction of military muskets will "perhaps even [strike the figure of a man] at 100 [yards]". That's a pretty big friggin' target: 5 to 6 feet tall, and 2 feet wide.

I have pretty extensive experience in shooting both smoothbore and rifled muzzleloading guns, and I wouldn't depend on a smoothbore to hit something like the vital area on a deer, using a round ball like they did back then, out much past 40 yards, *MAYBE* 50 if you've really worked up a good load for that gun. The vital area on a deer is about the size of a dinner plate, btw.

My father, who has built many of them (including one entirely from scratch - no premanufactured parts) once tried a whole bunch of things to get them to shoot accurately, and you just can't do it. It is the nature of a round ball fired from a smoothbore gun to be inaccurate. This is especially true of cast round balls, which almost certainly have imperfections that more modern swaged balls don't have.

Rifled muskets out to about 300 meters. Percussion caps were invented in 1839, and likely Davey Crockett used them, but Daniel Boone did not.


You really don't know who I am, do you? You're looking shiat up on Wikipedia. I have actual experience.

BTW, for massed volley fire, a rifled musket is fine out to 500 yards. For individual shots at discrete targets, a typical rifle firing a patched round ball is good to 150, perhaps 200 yards, depending on the gun and the shooter. A Baker Rifle like this:

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Actually was the best of both Worlds: For individual, accurate shots, you could load a tightly patched ball, say a .615" ball with a greased linen patch. For quick volley fire en masse, you could load a smaller ball either patched or not, and it would load as quickly as a musket.

Interestingly enough, because they were shorter than a musket, they came with a "sword bayonet", to make the overall length of rifle+bayonet the same as a Brown Bess+bayonet. Because of the way they were mounted, though, you couldn't fire the gun with the bayonet fixed.

10 Dec 2012 11:23 AM
dittybopper    [TotalFark]  

TofuTheAlmighty: dittybopper: I stopped using modern guns to hunt with about 10 years ago, and stopped using a modern bow about 6 years ago. I'm starting to transition from using steel broadheads to one ones I knapped myself:

Pffft, I only hunt with atlatls.


I would, if NYS would let me:

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Unfortunately, you can't use an atlatl to hunt with in New York State.

10 Dec 2012 11:25 AM
starscream1690     

TofuTheAlmighty: dittybopper: I stopped using modern guns to hunt with about 10 years ago, and stopped using a modern bow about 6 years ago. I'm starting to transition from using steel broadheads to one ones I knapped myself:

Pffft, I only hunt with atlatls.


Me throw rocks

10 Dec 2012 11:26 AM
starscream1690     
I don't really throw rocks, I use everything from a modern rifle to a traditional recurve, but my typical hunt could be PETA approved: no animals are actually harmed during the production.

10 Dec 2012 11:29 AM
dittybopper    [TotalFark]  

TofuTheAlmighty: dittybopper: I stopped using modern guns to hunt with about 10 years ago, and stopped using a modern bow about 6 years ago. I'm starting to transition from using steel broadheads to one ones I knapped myself:

Pffft, I only hunt with atlatls.


Hey, will you be at the Northeastern Open Atlatl Championship in Vermont next year?

10 Dec 2012 11:31 AM
badscooter     
Did he shake it?

10 Dec 2012 11:31 AM
dittybopper    [TotalFark]  

starscream1690: I don't really throw rocks, I use everything from a modern rifle to a traditional recurve


If you really think about it, those are merely fancy ways to throw rocks.

10 Dec 2012 11:34 AM
tallen702     
Shoot, black powder season is black powder season, and if the school is going to provide you with the tools to do a job, you might as well use them.

/Grew up in WV
//There are plenty of bears in that state that need killin'
///Especially out in Pocahontas County

10 Dec 2012 11:36 AM
assjuice     

NashMcNash: dentalhilljack: NashMcNash: kd8our: And they complain about that MTV show...

This. WVU fans bask in their reputation as couch burning rednecks, but have been crying foul over this MTV show depicted them as couch burning rednecks.

To be fair, many of the couch burners in Sunnyside are out of state students from New Jersey. Not that anyone would make a show about Jersey trash......

That is a fair assessment. I've always said Morgantown isn't bad in July, when everyone is in New Jersey.


Actually it is total BS. I lived in Morgantown for 7 years and never met anyone from further than 50 miles away. WVians just love to blame their problems in people who "ain't from here."

10 Dec 2012 11:38 AM
CptnSpldng     

HMS_Blinkin: Why exactly did the school need to issue him a musket that was capable of firing projectiles? Wouldn't it be really easy to make a musket that would make smoke and noise at football games but be incapable of actually shooting stuff?


Because black powder (an unforgiving compound) needs to be able to explode and produce a noticeable amount of flame & smoke and it needs to be producing it a goodly distance from the person's face.

On a separate note, I would imagine that US military personnel serving in honor guards are using 'real' weapons all the time including the field guns occasionally used in some ceremonies.

10 Dec 2012 11:41 AM
dprathbun     

dittybopper: TofuTheAlmighty: dittybopper: I stopped using modern guns to hunt with about 10 years ago, and stopped using a modern bow about 6 years ago. I'm starting to transition from using steel broadheads to one ones I knapped myself:

Pffft, I only hunt with atlatls.

Hey, will you be at the Northeastern Open Atlatl Championship in Vermont next year?


Hey you two. Get a room.

10 Dec 2012 11:42 AM
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