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   There is more to moving at supersonic speeds than just using jet-fuel, as these New Jersey motorists are about to find out

11 Dec 2012 03:20 PM   |   11489 clicks   |   Yahoo
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cretinbob    [TotalFark]  
So?

11 Dec 2012 12:53 PM
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vartian    [TotalFark]  
Several cars stalled on Friday when a gas station in Keyport and one in Manasquan unknowingly pumped jet fuel into their tanks.

Um, no.

11 Dec 2012 12:59 PM
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tricycleracer     
300 hectares on a single tank of kerosene.

11 Dec 2012 01:05 PM
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St_Francis_P     
See now, if they had diesels everything would have been fine.

11 Dec 2012 01:06 PM
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Relatively Obscure    [TotalFark]  
i3.ytimg.com

11 Dec 2012 01:31 PM
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CapeFearCadaver    [TotalFark]  

Relatively Obscure: [i3.ytimg.com image 320x180]


Came specifically for this.

11 Dec 2012 01:40 PM
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Snarfangel     
There is more to moving at supersonic speeds, Horatio,
Than are jet-fueled in your philosophy.

11 Dec 2012 02:16 PM
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maxheck     
"Swing low chariot, come down easy... Taxi to the terminal zone..."

11 Dec 2012 03:22 PM
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blatz514    [TotalFark]  
cache.gawkerassets.com

11 Dec 2012 03:23 PM
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Kumana Wanalaia     

CapeFearCadaver: Relatively Obscure: [i3.ytimg.com image 320x180]

Came specifically for this.


11 Dec 2012 03:23 PM
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spcMike    [TotalFark]  

St_Francis_P: See now, if they had diesels everything would have been fine.


Actually came here to say something about diesels being just fine with it.

11 Dec 2012 03:23 PM
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cig-mkr     
So hows that Flex-fuel thing working out for you? Not so much huh?

11 Dec 2012 03:24 PM
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farkingismybusiness    [TotalFark]  
This is why they can't be trusted to pump their own gas.

11 Dec 2012 03:25 PM
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bongmiester    [TotalFark]  
www.johnnysupersonic.com

11 Dec 2012 03:26 PM
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wildcardjack     
Was it Jet-A or 100 LL? That 100LL will kill a catalytic converter.

11 Dec 2012 03:26 PM
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Jim DiGriz     
And in this case, you can't trust the attendants/station/fuel vendor who provide the fuel and pump it for you.

11 Dec 2012 03:27 PM
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netringer    [TotalFark]  
It's a bit worse when they pump auto fuel (or Av gas) into jet planes.

Kinda hard to pull over and call for a tow when climbing through 3000 feet.

11 Dec 2012 03:27 PM
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The Bunyip     
This kind of thing wouldn't happen if we could pump our own gas, right?

11 Dec 2012 03:28 PM
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Raoul Eaton     

tricycleracer: 300 hectares on a single tank of kerosene.


I was kind of disappointed when I found out jet fuel was basically kerosene. I expected something far more exciting.

11 Dec 2012 03:29 PM
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Insatiable Jesus     
wildcardjack: Was it Jet-A or 100 LL? That 100LL will kill a catalytic converter.

One of my buddy's dad was a helicopter mechanic. He helped us put a helicopter turbo on a trashed VW Sirrocco and filled us up with avgas. Car was fun, for about a week.

11 Dec 2012 03:29 PM
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SirTanon     
It's okay, I drive one of these:

www.instablogsimages.com

11 Dec 2012 03:30 PM
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ChipNASA    [TotalFark]  
JP-7?

upload.wikimedia.org

11 Dec 2012 03:31 PM
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downstairs    [TotalFark]  
Approves.
 
cdn.bleacherreport.net

11 Dec 2012 03:31 PM
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maxheck     
netringer:

It's a bit worse when they pump auto fuel (or Av gas) into jet planes.

Kinda hard to pull over and call for a tow when climbing through 3000 feet.


I'm just guessing here, but given that regular gasoline is quite a lot more volatile than jet fuel...

"Kinda hard to pull over and call for a tow when engulfed in a fireball.

/ ok, maybe not *quite* that bad, but...

11 Dec 2012 03:32 PM
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oldfarthenry    [TotalFark]  
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Clem says jet-fuel makes a lousy bourbon substitute as well.

11 Dec 2012 03:33 PM
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ThrowYourHatredDown     

farkingismybusiness: This is why they can't be trusted to pump their own gas.


It is New Jersey, you don't pump your own gas.

11 Dec 2012 03:34 PM
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netringer    [TotalFark]  

Insatiable Jesus: One of my buddy's dad was a helicopter mechanic. He helped us put a helicopter turbo on a trashed VW Sirrocco and filled us up with avgas. Car was fun, for about a week.


www.ronpatrickstuff.com
Link

11 Dec 2012 03:34 PM
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Hack Patooey    [TotalFark]  
I buy 100LL for my FF from my local small-strip airfield. When I initially talked to the guy,he said that, for his logs, I have a 'homebuilt experimental craft'. I even have a tail number for it (a mash of the frame # and builder's initials). Now that I'm in 'the system', whatever that is, I can buy at any of the local small strips.

11 Dec 2012 03:35 PM
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Cheron     

spcMike: St_Francis_P: See now, if they had diesels everything would have been fine.

Actually came here to say something about diesels being just fine with it.


Sterling engine would have been fine

11 Dec 2012 03:35 PM
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farkingismybusiness    [TotalFark]  

ThrowYourHatredDown: farkingismybusiness: This is why they can't be trusted to pump their own gas.

It is New Jersey, you don't pump your own gas.


And they can't even get that right.

11 Dec 2012 03:44 PM
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SwiftFox     
I thought it was diesel fuel being refined fuel oil and jet fuel being refined kerosene?

11 Dec 2012 03:47 PM
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mightybaldking     
You think someone would have smelled the difference.
That stuff is thick and greasy smelling, Not at all like gasoline.

11 Dec 2012 03:48 PM
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unfarkingbelievable     

farkingismybusiness: ThrowYourHatredDown: farkingismybusiness: This is why they can't be trusted to pump their own gas.

It is New Jersey, you don't pump your own gas.

And they can't even get that right.


Ha! This from some clown who lives in DC.

11 Dec 2012 03:56 PM
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Insatiable Jesus     
mightybaldking: You think someone would have smelled the difference.
That stuff is thick and greasy smelling, Not at all like gasoline.


I was in Germany on business once, my ex and the kids were in France. I get a call from her asking me to confirm for her that gas and gasoil are the same thing. I could not. She then asked me if I thought that difference might have anything to do with the fact that her rental car was "on fire". Wasn't cheap.

11 Dec 2012 03:59 PM
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belome     
Sure, if it was a diesel it would ran just fine... for a small amount of time.

Then the high pressure fuel pump would get no lubrication and then it would start puking 15k worth of HPFP parts through the entire fuel system and you would be extra screwed.

Unless of course, you had an older diesel with no HPFP, then it would proably be ok, but would still be hell on the injection pump. Lubricity is your best friend.

11 Dec 2012 04:06 PM
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Crazy Lee     
Sally had a KIA
She topped-off with JetA
And extended flaps
For takeoff
On one fine Jersey day.

She stalled into the breakdown lane
And bailed into the scrum
Flying down the turnpike
Riding on her thumb.

11 Dec 2012 04:27 PM
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rnatalie    [TotalFark]  
The cars just won't run well on JET-A. Modern cars unlike piston airplanes have knock sensors that will shut things down pretty badly if the octane is way off.

11 Dec 2012 04:40 PM
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ShamanGator     
Brother in law had an old Nova we BUILT back in the very early 80's. He liked power & had a good disposable income at the time. He was working at a plane shop at the time & would run 130 octane ave gas on the weekends. Scary power & lots of fun.


CSB, sort of...

11 Dec 2012 04:59 PM
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StinkyFiddlewinks     
We used to get JP5 ( I think ) put in our diesel amphibious assault vehicles while aboard ships. It didn't do much other than make the engines run hotter.

11 Dec 2012 05:08 PM
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MythDragon     

ChipNASA: JP-7?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x235]


There is something awefully farking scary about using the same liquid that you use for fuel as your coolant.

11 Dec 2012 05:19 PM
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ReapTheChaos     
I'm not sure why people think jet fuel would make a car run faster, the truth is it will most likely not run at all, or run like shiat. Jet fuel is pretty much the equivalent of kerosene, it may have a higher octane than normal gasoline but it definitely wont work in a normal gas engine. The only exception may be JP-4, which is a 50-50 mix of kerosene and gasoline, but it's still going to run like crap and smoke like a mofo.

11 Dec 2012 06:06 PM
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St_Francis_P     

ReapTheChaos: it may have a higher octane than normal gasoline


No; much much lower. It will knock like crazy. You're thinking of Av Gas, which is high octane gas for piston engined aircraft.

11 Dec 2012 06:14 PM
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loral     
Jet fuel ignites under compression and not by spark like gasoline does.

In a car it would obviously stall because of the low compression. May run in a diesel though but that would be a different pump.

11 Dec 2012 06:18 PM
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harrym    [TotalFark]  
I like the commenter in the link that made it into an anti-union screed.

11 Dec 2012 06:21 PM
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netringer    [TotalFark]  

Hack Patooey: I buy 100LL for my FF from my local small-strip airfield. When I initially talked to the guy,he said that, for his logs, I have a 'homebuilt experimental craft'. I even have a tail number for it (a mash of the frame # and builder's initials). Now that I'm in 'the system', whatever that is, I can buy at any of the local small strips.


You don't need any kind of permission to buy AvGas. The airport guy was just making up a customer number for their fuel logs.

You do have a problem because you aren't paying state road taxes, but you are paying federal aviation improvement fund taxes, so thanks.

11 Dec 2012 06:26 PM
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unfarkingbelievable     

ShamanGator: Brother in law had an old Nova we BUILT back in the very early 80's. He liked power & had a good disposable income at the time. He was working at a plane shop at the time & would run 130 octane ave gas on the weekends. Scary power & lots of fun.


CSB, sort of...


Yes, it is totally cool! I think so, anyway. So, what happened to the Nova? Still have it? Sold it? Done anymore similar projects?

11 Dec 2012 06:44 PM
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cretinbob    [TotalFark]  

SirTanon: It's okay, I drive one of these:

[www.instablogsimages.com image 394x261]


That's actually funny. I used to have a diesel Rabbit and after fueling up one day I went in to pay and the nice young lady behind the counter stared at me wide eyed and said "You just put diesel in that!?!"
to which I smiled and politely replied " I hope so".

Yes it's a really shiatty article and the answers range from "So what?" to "So what, drain the tank."


SwiftFox: I thought it was diesel fuel being refined fuel oil and jet fuel being refined kerosene?


It all comes from crude oil. You get different sized molecules to turn to vapor at different temperatures. The length of the molecule determines the characteristics of the final product.

simplified, but not over simplified

www.setlaboratories.com

11 Dec 2012 06:45 PM
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LoneVVolf     

mightybaldking: You think someone would have smelled the difference.
That stuff is thick and greasy smelling, Not at all like gasoline.


This happened in NJ... EVERYTHING is thick and greasy here.

11 Dec 2012 06:59 PM
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LoneVVolf     

MythDragon: ChipNASA: JP-7?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x235]

There is something awefully farking scary about using the same liquid that you use for fuel as your coolant.


I'd be more concerned about the fuel/coolant pouring out of gaping holes in the fuselage while the aircraft taxis down the runway. That thing leaks like a sieve until it heats up.

11 Dec 2012 07:00 PM
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flamingboard     

LoneVVolf: mightybaldking: You think someone would have smelled the difference.
That stuff is thick and greasy smelling, Not at all like gasoline.

This happened in NJ... EVERYTHING is thick and greasy here.


It wasn't jet fuel. Just a week's supply of hair gel for guidos.

11 Dec 2012 08:13 PM
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