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   Union members in Michigan engage in polite discussion with those who have an opposing viewpoint. Just kidding, they beat a Fox News reporter, sucker punch him, then collapse a tent on top of women and old people

12 Dec 2012 03:44 AM   |   7906 clicks   |   The Detroit_News
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video man    [TotalFark]  
Good. It's about time we start using old school tactics.

11 Dec 2012 09:47 PM
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homelessdude     

video man: Good. It's about time we start using old school tactics.


I was just about to say the same thing. Enough is enough.

11 Dec 2012 09:49 PM
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violentsalvation    [TotalFark]  
Some people don't want to participate in your little scam, you stupid unions.

11 Dec 2012 09:53 PM
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Lsherm    [TotalFark]  

homelessdude: video man: Good. It's about time we start using old school tactics.

I was just about to say the same thing. Enough is enough.


I agree. Beating people you disagree with is the best way to get the point across that you won't make a good employee. The arrest records should keep them out of the job pool long enough for more qualified people to join in.

11 Dec 2012 09:54 PM
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Marcus Aurelius    [TotalFark]  
Workers had to die to get union protections to begin with. May as well return the favor.

11 Dec 2012 10:02 PM
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Elandriel     
Consider the sustained attack against worker's rights to organize and negotiate for a better station in life vs. owners, this is a logical progression. We are seeing the beginning of the modern day labor rights movement, I think.

People probably will end up dying for their rights again before this is settled. And, we'll probably come back to it again in another 80 years.

11 Dec 2012 10:20 PM
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2wolves    [TotalFark]  
Iron & coal police ring any bells?

11 Dec 2012 10:25 PM
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trivial use of my dark powers     
I'm of two minds on this:

You shouldn't hit people just for being annoying.

OTOH, I come from a long line of coal miners on both sides of the family and damn near lost a great uncle during the whole Matewan debacle. I know what happened in the mines pre-union. Unions can be irritating but I firmly believe that they are much better than the alternative.

OK, union guys, stop hitting people unless they hit you first.

11 Dec 2012 10:33 PM
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BSABSVR    [TotalFark]  

trivial use of my dark powers: OK, union guys, stop hitting people unless they hit you first.


Especially guys with cameras who are intentionally trolling you so you'll hit them.

11 Dec 2012 10:38 PM
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Lsherm    [TotalFark]  

Elandriel: Consider the sustained attack against worker's rights to organize and negotiate for a better station in life vs. owners, this is a logical progression. We are seeing the beginning of the modern day labor rights movement, I think.

People probably will end up dying for their rights again before this is settled. And, we'll probably come back to it again in another 80 years.


The problem is that back in the day the companies ultimately didn't have any options. The workers could pressure their local area with what video man calls old-school tactics and effectively shut down an entire industry on a grand scale. These days it's difficult, if not impossible, to get that kind of coordination. Retail and fast food is particularly difficult to coordinate because if one problem area refuses to settle, the company can just close off that small portion of the market. Industrial unions still have some clout because they can shut down an entire product line. Smaller retail/food stores? The company (nationwide) can just shut down the problem stores until the employees cry uncle. Moreover, you can't get nationwide coordination because employees in right to work states, if they actually went on strike to support employees in other states, would be summarily fired.

It COULD happen, but not like the old days. You'd need a nationwide, subversive campaign to have every worker at every store walk off the job at the same time and stay away for an extended period of time without pay or benefits and the possibility of a lost job. Given the "spreading out" of Americans over the last half-century you would also need a support network for those workers when push came to shove. Back in the early days of union building people had family to fall back on. That isn't the case anymore.

So I wouldn't call it impossible, but it's in the realm of extremely unlikely.

11 Dec 2012 10:42 PM
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GAT_00     
Funny, none of that is in the link. Nothing about hitting a reporter, and I saw the video of the tent earlier. Didn't look like anyone was in it.

But hey, protesting is bad, but passing a bill in a locked session in the middle of the night without telling anyone is good. That's real democracy - Republican democracy.

11 Dec 2012 11:04 PM
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Lsherm    [TotalFark]  

GAT_00: Funny, none of that is in the link. Nothing about hitting a reporter, and I saw the video of the tent earlier. Didn't look like anyone was in it.

But hey, protesting is bad, but passing a bill in a locked session in the middle of the night without telling anyone is good. That's real democracy - Republican democracy.


Technically in the slide show:

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With the caption:

A man in an International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers union jacket punches Fox News reporter Steven Crowder in the face outside the pro-Right-to-Work tent of Americans for Prosperity, an organization funded by wealthy private donors.

11 Dec 2012 11:10 PM
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GAT_00     

Lsherm: GAT_00: Funny, none of that is in the link. Nothing about hitting a reporter, and I saw the video of the tent earlier. Didn't look like anyone was in it.

But hey, protesting is bad, but passing a bill in a locked session in the middle of the night without telling anyone is good. That's real democracy - Republican democracy.

Technically in the slide show:

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With the caption:

A man in an International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers union jacket punches Fox News reporter Steven Crowder in the face outside the pro-Right-to-Work tent of Americans for Prosperity, an organization funded by wealthy private donors.


Lsherm: GAT_00: Funny, none of that is in the link. Nothing about hitting a reporter, and I saw the video of the tent earlier. Didn't look like anyone was in it.

But hey, protesting is bad, but passing a bill in a locked session in the middle of the night without telling anyone is good. That's real democracy - Republican democracy.

Technically in the slide show:

[img651.imageshack.us image 640x438]

With the caption:

A man in an International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers union jacket punches Fox News reporter Steven Crowder in the face outside the pro-Right-to-Work tent of Americans for Prosperity, an organization funded by wealthy private donors.


More likely to be true then, but until I see people vouching that this guy is a member of that union, I still refuse to completely believe it. I have no trouble believing that Fox would stage that to discredit the protesters.

11 Dec 2012 11:20 PM
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fusillade762    [TotalFark]  
House Speaker Jase Bolger, R-Marshall, has said the state police's constitutional autonomy prevents the Legislature from making financial support of the troopers' union optional.

That's... convenient.


"I'm going to jail today!"

It's good to have goals.

11 Dec 2012 11:59 PM
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HakunaMatata    [TotalFark]  
People should punch Fox news reporters every single chance they get.

12 Dec 2012 12:03 AM
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Mentat    [TotalFark]  
I guess this proves that unions should be destroyed.

12 Dec 2012 12:05 AM
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doglover     

HakunaMatata: People should punch Fox news reporters every single chance they get.


The second amendment specifies "arms"

Buckets of low temperature roofing tar and chicken feathers could easily fall under that category.

Ask a stupid question, get tarred and feathered.

12 Dec 2012 12:08 AM
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log_jammin     
Video of the dude getting punched.

1. He was trolling the crowd.

2. another union member stopped the first guy.

12 Dec 2012 12:17 AM
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log_jammin     
Crowder said "Dana, they literally would have killed me where I stood if I'd of fought back and defended myself after the sucker punch. They literally would have torn me limb-from-limb."

I'd love for someone to point to where in the video that he valiantly fought back to save his life.

12 Dec 2012 12:19 AM
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omnibus_necanda_sunt     
When people's livelihoods are on the line, don't expect them to give up without a fight. Gun-waving Rascal-bound retarded Randroids should at the very least possess enough capacity for human empathy to understand that.

But they don't. Hence tardmitter, or more likely trollmitter.

12 Dec 2012 12:35 AM
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omnibus_necanda_sunt     
May the Walton children and their ilk eat ALL the cocks, and the tidal waves of cum wipe them from the pages of history.

12 Dec 2012 12:41 AM
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Relatively Obscure    [TotalFark]  

log_jammin: Crowder said "Dana, they literally would have killed me where I stood if I'd of fought back and defended myself after the sucker punch. They literally would have torn me limb-from-limb."

I'd love for someone to point to where in the video that he valiantly fought back to save his life.


DNRTFA or whatever, but I think your quote is him specifically saying he did NOT fight back valiantly and WHY he may appear to be a huge wimpoid to Red Blooded America.



/Shouldn't really attack this guy. It's at best akin to attacking WBC clowns.

12 Dec 2012 12:52 AM
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GAT_00     

Relatively Obscure: log_jammin: Crowder said "Dana, they literally would have killed me where I stood if I'd of fought back and defended myself after the sucker punch. They literally would have torn me limb-from-limb."

I'd love for someone to point to where in the video that he valiantly fought back to save his life.

DNRTFA or whatever, but I think your quote is him specifically saying he did NOT fight back valiantly and WHY he may appear to be a huge wimpoid to Red Blooded America.

/Shouldn't really attack this guy. It's at best akin to attacking WBC clowns.


I can't really blame someone for attacking their enemy.

12 Dec 2012 01:09 AM
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ArkAngel    [TotalFark]  
Crowder said "Dana, they literally would have killed me where I stood if I'd of fought back and defended myself after the sucker punch. They literally would have torn me limb-from-limb."

And I suppose they were literally hanging from the rafters too?

12 Dec 2012 01:18 AM
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Relatively Obscure    [TotalFark]  

GAT_00: Relatively Obscure: log_jammin: Crowder said "Dana, they literally would have killed me where I stood if I'd of fought back and defended myself after the sucker punch. They literally would have torn me limb-from-limb."

I'd love for someone to point to where in the video that he valiantly fought back to save his life.

DNRTFA or whatever, but I think your quote is him specifically saying he did NOT fight back valiantly and WHY he may appear to be a huge wimpoid to Red Blooded America.

/Shouldn't really attack this guy. It's at best akin to attacking WBC clowns.

I can't really blame someone for attacking their enemy.


I think you can and do sometimes.

12 Dec 2012 01:18 AM
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log_jammin     

Relatively Obscure: DNRTFA or whatever, but I think your quote is him specifically saying he did NOT fight back valiantly and WHY he may appear to be a huge wimpoid to Red Blooded America.


yeah, you're completely right. I misread it .

12 Dec 2012 01:19 AM
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GAT_00     

Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: Relatively Obscure: log_jammin: Crowder said "Dana, they literally would have killed me where I stood if I'd of fought back and defended myself after the sucker punch. They literally would have torn me limb-from-limb."

I'd love for someone to point to where in the video that he valiantly fought back to save his life.

DNRTFA or whatever, but I think your quote is him specifically saying he did NOT fight back valiantly and WHY he may appear to be a huge wimpoid to Red Blooded America.

/Shouldn't really attack this guy. It's at best akin to attacking WBC clowns.

I can't really blame someone for attacking their enemy.

I think you can and do sometimes.


Was it smart? Was it appropriate? Of course not. But fark it, those people need punched in the face for what they're doing to the country. I wouldn't hesitate to convict the guy for assault, but these people are the enemy of the country. They are a big force in driving all this shiat that is also driving this country straight into the gutter. A punch to the face is well deserved.

12 Dec 2012 01:23 AM
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Amos Quito     
Divide and conquer, always say.

12 Dec 2012 01:28 AM
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Relatively Obscure    [TotalFark]  

GAT_00: Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: Relatively Obscure: log_jammin: Crowder said "Dana, they literally would have killed me where I stood if I'd of fought back and defended myself after the sucker punch. They literally would have torn me limb-from-limb."

I'd love for someone to point to where in the video that he valiantly fought back to save his life.

DNRTFA or whatever, but I think your quote is him specifically saying he did NOT fight back valiantly and WHY he may appear to be a huge wimpoid to Red Blooded America.

/Shouldn't really attack this guy. It's at best akin to attacking WBC clowns.

I can't really blame someone for attacking their enemy.

I think you can and do sometimes.

Was it smart? Was it appropriate? Of course not. But fark it, those people need punched in the face for what they're doing to the country. I wouldn't hesitate to convict the guy for assault, but these people are the enemy of the country. They are a big force in driving all this shiat that is also driving this country straight into the gutter. A punch to the face is well deserved.


You could have c/p'd that from a Freep post about a different article.

12 Dec 2012 01:28 AM
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log_jammin     

GAT_00: Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: Relatively Obscure: log_jammin: Crowder said "Dana, they literally would have killed me where I stood if I'd of fought back and defended myself after the sucker punch. They literally would have torn me limb-from-limb."

I'd love for someone to point to where in the video that he valiantly fought back to save his life.

DNRTFA or whatever, but I think your quote is him specifically saying he did NOT fight back valiantly and WHY he may appear to be a huge wimpoid to Red Blooded America.

/Shouldn't really attack this guy. It's at best akin to attacking WBC clowns.

I can't really blame someone for attacking their enemy.

I think you can and do sometimes.

Was it smart? Was it appropriate? Of course not. But fark it, those people need punched in the face for what they're doing to the country. I wouldn't hesitate to convict the guy for assault, but these people are the enemy of the country. They are a big force in driving all this shiat that is also driving this country straight into the gutter. A punch to the face is well deserved.


so what you are saying is, you can't really blame someone for attacking their enemy, so long as it's your enemy as well. which is all well and good, but be honest about it.

12 Dec 2012 01:29 AM
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GAT_00     

Relatively Obscure: You could have c/p'd that from a Freep post about a different article.


No you couldn't have. No Freeper would have said that it wasn't appropriate or would consider it assault. I'm not demanding we round people up and put them into camps. Fox went there to gloat about taking people's rights away. You gloat in someone's face about how they just beat you, people tend to punch you in the face. That's a normal, though overly aggressive, response in dozens of scenarios.

log_jammin: so what you are saying is, you can't really blame someone for attacking their enemy, so long as it's your enemy as well. which is all well and good, but be honest about it.


See above. And yeah, if I went to an anti-gay marriage rally and gloated to someone's face about how gays were going to get married and they couldn't stop it, I'd expect to be punched in the face too.

12 Dec 2012 01:37 AM
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log_jammin     

GAT_00: See above. And yeah, if I went to an anti-gay marriage rally and gloated to someone's face about how gays were going to get married and they couldn't stop it, I'd expect to be punched in the face too.


Oh the dude was without a doubt trolling the crowd, But I don't think "he had it coming". I don't make excuses for bad behavior.

12 Dec 2012 01:55 AM
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Weaver95    [TotalFark]  

violentsalvation: Some people don't want to participate in your little scam, you stupid unions.


this has nothing to do with unions. want someone to blame? yell at the GOP. their dirty tricks created this mess. of COURSE it was gonna turn ugly. what did you expect would happen?

i'm not condoning violence but I am saying that this entire disaster was easily avoidable.

12 Dec 2012 02:03 AM
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Relatively Obscure    [TotalFark]  

GAT_00: No you couldn't have.


Yes I could have. Sure, many would be as you say, but there are always some who would sound exactly like you just had.

12 Dec 2012 02:18 AM
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Weaver95    [TotalFark]  

Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: No you couldn't have.

Yes I could have. Sure, many would be as you say, but there are always some who would sound exactly like you just had.


except that GAT has a point - fox news went there and made an already difficult situation worse. the local MI Republicans already antagonized the unions and pissed off the local Democrats. then along comes fox news (and a few tea baggers) to jump in and gloat about how great it was that the lame duck session was used by their hero Republicans to ramrod some unpopular legislation through congress and hey, it's just wonderful to see such dirty tricks used to great effect.

i'm actually impressed the local unions showed as much restraint as they did.

12 Dec 2012 02:25 AM
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Relatively Obscure    [TotalFark]  

Weaver95: fox news went there and made an already difficult situation worse.


Not arguing that. It's still not okay to play punchadouche on some douche doing little more than being a douche. If you can't control yourself better than that, stay the fark home.

12 Dec 2012 02:29 AM
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log_jammin     

Weaver95: except that GAT has a point - fox news went there and made an already difficult situation worse. the local MI Republicans already antagonized the unions and pissed off the local Democrats. then along comes fox news (and a few tea baggers) to jump in and gloat about how great it was that the lame duck session was used by their hero Republicans to ramrod some unpopular legislation through congress and hey, it's just wonderful to see such dirty tricks used to great effect.


which goes right back to " you can't really blame someone for attacking their enemy, so long as it's your enemy as well."

12 Dec 2012 02:31 AM
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Weaver95    [TotalFark]  

Relatively Obscure: Weaver95: fox news went there and made an already difficult situation worse.

Not arguing that. It's still not okay to play punchadouche on some douche doing little more than being a douche. If you can't control yourself better than that, stay the fark home.


that's a nice theory...but here in the real world, when you piss all over people's rights, treat them unfairly and then come by and taunt 'em for trying to set things right...well, it's understandable when they lash out at the nearest target. the provocation from the GOP is/was/has been extreme. having fox news come by and piss all over the unions was only going to create even further tension.

12 Dec 2012 02:35 AM
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Weaver95    [TotalFark]  

log_jammin: Weaver95: except that GAT has a point - fox news went there and made an already difficult situation worse. the local MI Republicans already antagonized the unions and pissed off the local Democrats. then along comes fox news (and a few tea baggers) to jump in and gloat about how great it was that the lame duck session was used by their hero Republicans to ramrod some unpopular legislation through congress and hey, it's just wonderful to see such dirty tricks used to great effect.

which goes right back to " you can't really blame someone for attacking their enemy, so long as it's your enemy as well."


no, i'm saying emotions were already running hot. Fox news only made it worse.

12 Dec 2012 02:36 AM
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Relatively Obscure    [TotalFark]  

Weaver95: that's a nice theory


It's not a theory.

Weaver95: but here in the real world, when you piss all over people's rights, treat them unfairly and then come by and taunt 'em for trying to set things right...well, it's understandable when they lash out at the nearest target.


In the real world, speech is a right and committing battery isn't.

12 Dec 2012 02:39 AM
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log_jammin     

Weaver95: no, i'm saying emotions were already running hot. Fox news only made it worse.


Yes. of course they did. but that's not an excuse.

12 Dec 2012 02:42 AM
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Weaver95    [TotalFark]  

Relatively Obscure:

In the real world, speech is a right and committing battery isn't.


tell ya what sparky - you get good and liquored up and go down to your local biker bar. while there, make sure you personally insult each and every biker in the bar. Because hey - why not right? first amendment! whoopee!

After the EMTs clean you up and remove that chrome handlebar someone stuffed up your nose, i'll come by the emergency room and pick you up. then we'll discuss the difference between 'theory' and 'practice'.

12 Dec 2012 02:43 AM
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Weaver95    [TotalFark]  

log_jammin: Weaver95: no, i'm saying emotions were already running hot. Fox news only made it worse.

Yes. of course they did. but that's not an excuse.


it was an entirely expected response tho. one might even conclude that a new agency had a vested interest in creating a situation that would look good on camera for the 11 o'clock news.

Personally, I think Fox New walked dangerously close to yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater, then filmed the resulting chaos for the ratings boost.

12 Dec 2012 02:46 AM
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Relatively Obscure    [TotalFark]  

Weaver95: Relatively Obscure:

In the real world, speech is a right and committing battery isn't.

tell ya what sparky - you get good and liquored up and go down to your local biker bar. while there, make sure you personally insult each and every biker in the bar. Because hey - why not right? first amendment! whoopee!

After the EMTs clean you up and remove that chrome handlebar someone stuffed up your nose, i'll come by the emergency room and pick you up. then we'll discuss the difference between 'theory' and 'practice'.


What I said still wasn't a theory, your comparison is lame, and these hypothetical 'bikers' would still be wrong while I'd be a douche for randomly insulting people. 

But hey, good job with the "sparky" jab. I can feel the burn.

12 Dec 2012 02:46 AM
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Weaver95    [TotalFark]  

Relatively Obscure:
After the EMTs clean you up and remove that chrome handlebar someone stuffed up your nose, i'll come by the emergency room and pick you up. then we'll discuss the difference between 'theory' and 'practice'.

What I said still wasn't a theory, your comparison is lame, and these hypothetical 'bikers' would still be wrong while I'd be a douche for randomly insulting people. 

But hey, good job with the "sparky" jab. I can feel the burn.


you really don't think Fox News might have ramped up the violence on purpose? because I certainly wouldn't put it past 'em to taunt a bunch of already pissed off union workers just so they'd have something to run in their next news segment.

12 Dec 2012 02:48 AM
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Relatively Obscure    [TotalFark]  

Weaver95: Relatively Obscure:
After the EMTs clean you up and remove that chrome handlebar someone stuffed up your nose, i'll come by the emergency room and pick you up. then we'll discuss the difference between 'theory' and 'practice'.

What I said still wasn't a theory, your comparison is lame, and these hypothetical 'bikers' would still be wrong while I'd be a douche for randomly insulting people. 

But hey, good job with the "sparky" jab. I can feel the burn.

you really don't think Fox News might have ramped up the violence on purpose? because I certainly wouldn't put it past 'em to taunt a bunch of already pissed off union workers just so they'd have something to run in their next news segment.


And again. If you're the sort of clown who reacts to hurt feelings with violence, stay home and don't get married.

12 Dec 2012 02:50 AM
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Weaver95    [TotalFark]  

Relatively Obscure:
And again. If you're the sort of clown who reacts to hurt feelings with violence, stay home and don't get married.


And again, that's 99.99% of the human race. to include you, I might add.

12 Dec 2012 02:52 AM
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Relatively Obscure    [TotalFark]  

Weaver95: Relatively Obscure:
And again. If you're the sort of clown who reacts to hurt feelings with violence, stay home and don't get married.

And again, that's 99.99% of the human race. to include you, I might add.


Boy, I remember the last time I started a fight by taking a swing at someone who had not attacked me.

Grade school.

12 Dec 2012 02:54 AM
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BSABSVR    [TotalFark]  
Not even posted yet, and this thread already has the neighborhood fat kids and overnight IT guys acting pretend tough.

This will just be an epic goddamn cluster fark when all is said and done.

12 Dec 2012 02:55 AM
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Weaver95    [TotalFark]  

Relatively Obscure: Weaver95: Relatively Obscure:
And again. If you're the sort of clown who reacts to hurt feelings with violence, stay home and don't get married.

And again, that's 99.99% of the human race. to include you, I might add.

Boy, I remember the last time I started a fight by taking a swing at someone who had not attacked me.

Grade school.


properly provoked, you'll take a swing at people too. and if you don't believe that, then you're lying to yourself. especially if everyone in the crowd around you is doing the same thing.

that said, we're moving away from the topic at hand. I think it's likely that Fox News went there to provoke the union workers in order to catch some footage for their evening news segments...then got more than they expected. now...you can yell at the union workers for that, but you'd damn well better slam fox news reporters for making a tense situation even worse. think you can do that?

12 Dec 2012 02:57 AM
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