I hate HOAs, but:

"It shouldn't be considered a sign. It should be considered my Christmas decorations," he said.

No asshole, it's a sign. It's not even a decorative sign. It's just a sign.

Earth's procession is the reason for the season. Pagan ritual is the reason for the seasonal celebration. Christian usurpation of the pagan ritual is the reason it has any meaning for Christians, but that's quite a bit of after-the-fact meaning assignment.

This thread has the potential to be a variant on that old "how fishermen blow their minds" Far Side cartoon.

Well if you're going to go all Magritte on our asses, this is not an eviction notice.

Yep. It's a sign.

And the meek shall inherit the Earth.

Surely it is a sign of the apocalypse ... I'm agreeing with the HOA.

Get that farking thing out of my sight!

Ed Finnerty: And the meek shall inherit the Earth.


...which is,of course, why he should be meeker and adhere to the HOA bylaw.

Lsherm: No asshole, it's a sign. It's not even a decorative sign. It's just a sign.

This. The guy's just using the season to give him a reason to break HOA rules, which, while they're as popular as VDs around here, are to keep idiots like this from doing what he's doing.

How else will the evil heathens learn about the silver bells and axial tilt and the pine trees and Santa Claus and California raisins and the Jesus and Blitzen and the Ghost of Christmas Present and egg nog without violating basic contract law? Also, there's usually a donkey involved.

/Also this...

FriarReb98: Lsherm: No asshole, it's a sign. It's not even a decorative sign. It's just a sign.

This. The guy's just using the season to give him a reason to break HOA rules, which, while they're as popular as VDs around here, are to keep idiots like this from doing what he's doing.

Right. He only got religion so he can break rules.

Sorry Jackass, you wanted in the HOA, you got in, now do what yer told.

Geez... I'm in favor of The War on Christmas as much as the next heathen liberal atheist, but Jesus farking Christ on a cracker, it's farking Christmas... lighten up Francis.

Submitter here... I'm trying to get one of my friends who lives in that same neighborhood to put up a 2 foot by 2 foot sign that he wanted to put up (he says he's too lazy and doesn't want to get vandalized) that says "Axial tilt: the reason for the season". 

I commented in the paper as well, asking: I wonder if one of his neighbors put up a Happy Hanukkah sign the same size as his, and put blue and white lights around it, or a sign saying "Merry Kwanzaa" or a sign wishing people a Merry Solstice, would he be leading the pack in requiring them to be removed?

Maybe Jesus is the reason the HOA will own his home shortly.

What Would Jesus Decorate?

Mominator: Submitter here... I'm trying to get one of my friends who lives in that same neighborhood to put up a 2 foot by 2 foot sign that he wanted to put up (he says he's too lazy and doesn't want to get vandalized) that says "Axial tilt: the reason for the season". 

I commented in the paper as well, asking: I wonder if one of his neighbors put up a Happy Hanukkah sign the same size as his, and put blue and white lights around it, or a sign saying "Merry Kwanzaa" or a sign wishing people a Merry Solstice, would he be leading the pack in requiring them to be removed?

Why would he? The HOA is requiring it to be removed. In general, people who run afoul of HOA rules aren't the kind of people who enforce HOA rules.

Why is it that the flamboyant displays of modern religion are always gaudy and hideous? Is there any religious person with a sense of taste anymore?

81250742" target="_blank">spqr_ca: Why is it that the flamboyant displays of modern religion are always gaudy and hideous? Is there any religious person with a sense of taste anymore?

Lsherm: Mominator: Submitter here... I'm trying to get one of my friends who lives in that same neighborhood to put up a 2 foot by 2 foot sign that he wanted to put up (he says he's too lazy and doesn't want to get vandalized) that says "Axial tilt: the reason for the season". 

I commented in the paper as well, asking: I wonder if one of his neighbors put up a Happy Hanukkah sign the same size as his, and put blue and white lights around it, or a sign saying "Merry Kwanzaa" or a sign wishing people a Merry Solstice, would he be leading the pack in requiring them to be removed?

Why would he? The HOA is requiring it to be removed. In general, people who run afoul of HOA rules aren't the kind of people who enforce HOA rules.

At this point, the sign is still there. I'm asking a question, and I honestly would be interested in hearing the answer from that homeowner. Is he protesting against the HOA's restrictions, or is this a sort of "I'm Christian so I can get away with this" thing?

Mominator: At this point, the sign is still there. I'm asking a question, and I honestly would be interested in hearing the answer from that homeowner. Is he protesting against the HOA's restrictions, or is this a sort of "I'm Christian so I can get away with this" thing?

I thinks it's more of a "I'm a Christian, and this is OUR holiday, and my god is bigger than your god, and I'm doing this as a religious duty - RELIGIOUS duty, mind you, so how dare you tell me I can't put up a sign if I want to" thing.

Jesus should have told you to not join an HOA.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: What Would Jesus Decorate?

If you take one and staple it to a couple of planks, it looks fabulous.

Ugh.. Pushy over the top agenda driven religious assholes.. Just as bad as pushy over the top agenda driven atheists.

I'd put up a sign of Bastet and Anubis. Just because I could.

styckx: Ugh.. Pushy over the top agenda driven religious assholes.. Just as bad as pushy over the top agenda driven atheists.

Which do you hear more from? You are just as bad as the BSABSVR crowd, you know that, right?

Personally, I'd want him to be allowed to keep the sign, just so I would never forget which house belongs to the pushy douchecanoe.

/down with HOAs
//down with God-botherers

Was excited for an HOA thread...

Too bad it's a sign.

/Maybe net time.

No, it's "art", dummy. It's always "art" and then hand them the business card of the local chapter of the ACLU

Damn you for posting an article where I have to side with the HOA.

Merry goddamn Christmas.

CantConfirmOrDeny: Surely it is a sign of the apocalypse ... I'm agreeing with the HOA.

It just better be a sign that's 2' x 2' or less.

AverageAmericanGuy: Earth's procession axial tilt is the reason for the season. Pagan ritual is the reason for the seasonal celebration. Christian usurpation of the pagan ritual is the reason it has any meaning for Christians, but that's quite a bit of after-the-fact meaning assignment.

FTFY.

Also, I think you meant precession, and that is the change in the tilt itself.

1000 Ways to Dye: AverageAmericanGuy: Earth's procession axial tilt is the reason for the season. Pagan ritual is the reason for the seasonal celebration. Christian usurpation of the pagan ritual is the reason it has any meaning for Christians, but that's quite a bit of after-the-fact meaning assignment.

FTFY.

Also, I think you meant precession, and that is the change in the tilt itself.

DID I STUTTER??

Blue_Blazer: styckx: Ugh.. Pushy over the top agenda driven religious assholes.. Just as bad as pushy over the top agenda driven atheists.

Which do you hear more from? You are just as bad as the BSABSVR crowd, you know that, right?

I prefer to just not vote. Just as I prefer to keep my religious beliefs to myself as I don't have any unwarranted self importance and think random people actually give a shiat about what I believe in..

We need to get God back in HOA's.

Nice to see the weekly "HOA is Auschwitz" thread.

baka-san: Sorry Jackass, you wanted in the HOA, you got in, now do what yer told.

Who said he wanted in a HOA? Because he moved there? Are you on of those "if you don't like a HOA don't move there?"

HOA's cover appx 25 million homes in the US. It's not always as simple as just spouting off don't move there.

I do agree with the HOA that it is a sign and should go.

CaptSS: HOA's cover appx 25 million homes in the US. It's not always as simple as just spouting off don't move there

The funny part about most people who complain about their HOA is they don't ever go to the monthly meetings. You want to fix your HOA, or have input in it's operation? Go to the meetings, participate, democracy.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Whyat Would Jesus Decorate?

Who decorates for their own birthday?

CaptSS: baka-san: Sorry Jackass, you wanted in the HOA, you got in, now do what yer told.

Who said he wanted in a HOA? Because he moved there? Are you on of those "if you don't like a HOA don't move there?"

HOA's cover appx 25 million homes in the US. It's not always as simple as just spouting off don't move there.


Yes it is.

Oh, you want low-crime, right?

I'm torn, here. On one hand, I hate HOAs. I think they're one of the worst inventions ever and exist purely to separate otherwise good people from their money.

On the other hand, considering that sign, this guy is a douchecanoe and deserves whatever he gets.

log_jammin: Jesus should have told you to not join an HOA.

Or to at least read the two-page flier conveniently tucked into his door about two weeks before Thanksgiving that reminded residents about the holiday decorating rules.

CaptSS: baka-san: Sorry Jackass, you wanted in the HOA, you got in, now do what yer told.

Who said he wanted in a HOA? Because he moved there? Are you on of those "if you don't like a HOA don't move there?"

HOA's cover appx 25 million homes in the US. It's not always as simple as just spouting off don't move there.

I do agree with the HOA that it is a sign and should go.

Yes, it is. Choosing a place to live is all about compromise. You can't have every feature you want. You can't live in your own definition of the perfect neighborhood. You can't dictate what stores and services are nearby or how close your job is (finding a job, also compromise). If you're going to buy a home you damned well better know if there's an HOA involved. Ignorance of the rules won't protect you from a bunch of power mad whiny douche nozzles who decide to fine you into bankruptcy so if you have to find out the hard way that's your own fault.

Having dealt with HOA BS myself I can say that it would be nice if more of them were as proactive about making residents aware of the rules as this one was. Usually their first contact with you is a demand to pay an exorbitant fine or they'll take your house. If you want to claim you had no choice but to buy a house in an HOA and play the victim when they clamp down on you for not following the rules you're a retard. It really is that simple.

StoPPeRmobile: CaptSS: baka-san: Sorry Jackass, you wanted in the HOA, you got in, now do what yer told.

Who said he wanted in a HOA? Because he moved there? Are you on of those "if you don't like a HOA don't move there?"

HOA's cover appx 25 million homes in the US. It's not always as simple as just spouting off don't move there.


Yes it is.

Oh, you want low-crime, right?

Yeah, that and something about a Camaro on blocks in the front yard affects the value. Of course that homeowner can't see it due to his front windows being covered with aluminum foil.

TRY HARDER

Lsherm: I hate HOAs, but:

"It shouldn't be considered a sign. It should be considered my Christmas decorations," he said.

No asshole, it's a sign. It's not even a decorative sign. It's just a sign.

I'm of the opposite mind.

Normally I'd be against neighbors putting up a sign about Jesus. I like the Nativity because there's cows and shiat. It's cool farming action. But I'm not Christian and I don't need to see the J-word at Yuletide.

But in this case, it farks with an HOA. I hope he wins just because of that.

Omahawg: No, it's "art", dummy. It's always "art" and then hand them the business card of the local chapter of the ACLU

After that you can admire your signature on the deed including the clause in which you agreed to abide by the HOA's rules.

Normally I am against HOAs but just this one i have to agree its a damn sign.

Simple solution: Cut the offending sign into 2' X 2' pieces, then the HOA can't say shiat.

Pocket Ninja: This thread has the potential to be a variant on that old "how fishermen blow their minds" Far Side cartoon.