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   Russians begin to think they may have backed the losing side in Syria

13 Dec 2012 10:39 AM   |   7688 clicks   |   BBC
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TommyDeuce     
Time for Assad to decide if he wants a villa in Venezuela, or an unmarked grave.

/Know which one I'd pick.

13 Dec 2012 10:45 AM
Bondith     
What's Russian for "He may be a murderous dictator, but he's our murderous dictator"?

13 Dec 2012 10:45 AM
rocky_howard     
It's the Cold War 2.0

13 Dec 2012 10:46 AM
TommyDeuce     

Bondith: What's Russian for "He may be a murderous dictator, but he's our murderous dictator"?


Stalin.

13 Dec 2012 10:46 AM
ocschwar     
So, remind me again who's the ignorant ham handed idiot nation that can't get foreign policy right?

I, uh, forgot.

13 Dec 2012 10:47 AM
Bondith     

TommyDeuce: Bondith: What's Russian for "He may be a murderous dictator, but he's our murderous dictator"?

Stalin.


Well played.

13 Dec 2012 10:49 AM
The_Fuzz     

ocschwar: So, remind me again who's the ignorant ham handed idiot nation that can't get foreign policy right?

I, uh, forgot.


Liechtenstein?

13 Dec 2012 10:51 AM
rocky_howard     

ocschwar: So, remind me again who's the ignorant ham handed idiot nation that can't get foreign policy right?

I, uh, forgot.


Most Amerihaters would have you believe their nations are all cultured and nuanced. Truth of the matter is, they very rarely if ever find themselves in a critical foreign policy position, so their claims are empty posturing, the US has to deal with critical stuff on a daily basis and frankly, I feel we have a better average than what other nations would.

It's the 1-0 novice boxer telling the 145-63 veteran that he sucks.

13 Dec 2012 10:51 AM
ha-ha-guy     
It is so cute when Russia is critical of us and thinks they matter. The days of them having a larger population base and more usable land than us have passed. They have half our population and while they have plenty of land, most of it is frozen farking Siberia they can barely exploit. As soon as we cut a deal with the Chinese over Syria, it is over. Russia will just bark and maybe fark around with nat gas exports to Europe in a fit of petulance. Or send out another nuclear submarine to have a disaster.

13 Dec 2012 10:51 AM
factoryconnection    [TotalFark]  
When I read that Syria has started using Scuds, which in their application are effectively unguided, "hit a random part of a selected city, maybe" weapons to scare and murder civilians, I realized a new chapter in this war had started. This will be the chapter with a lot more dead Syrians, regardless of foreign intervention.

Russia should get its people out.

13 Dec 2012 10:54 AM
beezeltown     
I guess the US added the caveat of labeling certain rebels as "terrorists" just in time for Russian recapitulation. Bashar is about to have his Assad handed to him.

13 Dec 2012 10:54 AM
Doom MD     
When will Syria do something about its gun problem?

13 Dec 2012 10:56 AM
justinguarini4ever     
I'm not losing sleep over Assad's imminent demise, but some of the tactics that the rebels are resorting to are despicable.

13 Dec 2012 10:57 AM
Bondith     

beezeltown: I guess the US added the caveat of labeling certain rebels as "terrorists" just in time for Russian recapitulation. Bashar is about to have his Assad handed to him.


It annoys me that that word doesn't mean what it looks like it should mean.

/although I guess it makes sense once you realise it's the source of the word recap

13 Dec 2012 10:59 AM
Pair-o-Dice     
FTA:
Russia still maintains that the ousting of President Assad would deepen the conflict,...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that resolve the conflict?

13 Dec 2012 11:03 AM
cgraves67     

justinguarini4ever: I'm not losing sleep over Assad's imminent demise, but some of the tactics that the rebels are resorting to are despicable.


This just in: people who fight in wars resort to immoral tactics to win.

13 Dec 2012 11:04 AM
Pair-o-Dice     

Doom MD: When will Syria do something about its gun problem?


We should let them borrow our 2nd amendment for a few days.

13 Dec 2012 11:08 AM
BoothbyTCD     

justinguarini4ever: I'm not losing sleep over Assad's imminent demise, but some of the tactics that the rebels are resorting to are despicable.


It's also not like the end of the Assad regime is going to result in anything but a genocidal bloodbath and yet another displaced refugee population in the Middle East to go with the Kurds and the Palestinians.

13 Dec 2012 11:09 AM
LewDux     

BoothbyTCD: justinguarini4ever: I'm not losing sleep over Assad's imminent demise, but some of the tactics that the rebels are resorting to are despicable.

It's also not like the end of the Assad regime is going to result in anything but a genocidal bloodbath and yet another displaced refugee population in the Middle East to go with the Kurds and the Palestinians.


Luckily they're only muslims

13 Dec 2012 11:13 AM
SpectroBoy     

Bondith: What's Russian for "He may be a murderous dictator, but he's our murderous dictator"?


Он может быть кровавого диктатора, но он наш кровавого диктатора

13 Dec 2012 11:15 AM
factoryconnection    [TotalFark]  

cgraves67: This just in: people who fight in wars resort to immoral tactics to win.


Asymmetric warfare is never easy to digest... overwhelming force is overcome with overwhelming crazy. Of course, traditional warfare is pretty freaking awful, too.

BoothbyTCD: It's also not like the end of the Assad regime is going to result in anything but a genocidal bloodbath and yet another displaced refugee population in the Middle East to go with the Kurds and the Palestinians.


Assad may have decided to become a butcher, but his regime has been holding the lid on a pressure cooker of insanity the same way that Saddam was in Iraq. Revolution in Syria will be even worse than the Iraqi Civil War, because there will be no modern military to attempt to tamp the violence nor provide all the medical and relief support... and remember the Iraqi Civil War was horrible.

13 Dec 2012 11:16 AM
you have pee hands     

Pair-o-Dice: Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that resolve the conflict?


It would result in a power vacuum and a lot of infighting, though that's probably going to happen anyway. The rebels are united by a common enemy but they don't necessarily agree on anything else.

13 Dec 2012 11:17 AM
RevCarter     
A lot of people just don't get what we're doing in Syria.

Sure, we're avoiding direct engagement, and any support we provide happens covertly, but there's a whole other level that's been going on, and that's the regional long view regarding Russia and Iran.

When this ends, the Allawites are going to get the fark out of dodge, leaving Russia and Iran with NO friends in the region. 

Sure, there will be plenty of Syrians who will be bitter that we never intervened, but if they're unhappy about our nonintervention in their favor, how do you think they're going to feel about Iran and Russia's continuous support against them?

In the end it'll be no worse for us, and much worse for our opponents and competitors...i.e. a win for us.

13 Dec 2012 11:17 AM
kbronsito    [TotalFark]  
The syrian opposition has made a critical mistake by not cutting a deal with Russia by now. We all know what the Russians want in Syria... they want 1) their naval base, 2) continued weapons purchases and 3) they'd like the bad precedent of pro-democracy protests that morph into armed struggle and topple one of their allies to not happen because it may give others ideas.

By now Moscow must realize they probably won't get item 3. But they gotta double down because they think they've lost items 1 and 2. A deal should be offered to them by the Syrian opposition: abstain from vetoing the next UN resolution about Syria (don't even have to vote for it) and you may have a shot at keeping items 1 and 2. Oppose the resolution and the 1) base will absolutely be gone, 2) Syria will begin a complete overhaul of its armed forces that will in the future include zero purchases of Russian weapons, 3) Syria will routinely oppose Russian interests at any international forum out of spite

They should also eventually include teaching of the revolution in the shools that includes a lesson on Russia hate so that their children and their children h8 on them until the end of time.

Of course... If I was Russia... I'd take this the deal if offered by the Syrian rebels and secretely ensure that another deal wasn't cut with China.

13 Dec 2012 11:20 AM
the_chief     
The Islamofascists are winning.

13 Dec 2012 11:20 AM
BoothbyTCD     

LewDux: BoothbyTCD: justinguarini4ever: I'm not losing sleep over Assad's imminent demise, but some of the tactics that the rebels are resorting to are despicable.

It's also not like the end of the Assad regime is going to result in anything but a genocidal bloodbath and yet another displaced refugee population in the Middle East to go with the Kurds and the Palestinians.

Luckily they're only muslims


Weak trolling there Lew.

13 Dec 2012 11:23 AM
Bondith     

SpectroBoy: Bondith: What's Russian for "He may be a murderous dictator, but he's our murderous dictator"?

Он может быть кровавого диктатора, но он наш кровавого диктатора


This is why I love Fark. Ask a snarky question, get a real answer.

/spaceba

13 Dec 2012 11:23 AM
BigNumber12     
I, for one, am thrilled at the prospect of a disorganized band of rebels and jihadis gaining possession of a large stockpile of chemical weapons.

13 Dec 2012 11:24 AM
Clemkadidlefark     
Al-Queda is ours, can't have

13 Dec 2012 11:25 AM
YixilTesiphon     
We should crush Russia by building LNG terminals in Corpus Christi and Philadelphia and exporting natural gas to Europe.

Rumor has it Russia funds a lot of anti-fracking groups in the US (not saying the groups know that).

13 Dec 2012 11:26 AM
cervier     

cgraves67: justinguarini4ever: I'm not losing sleep over Assad's imminent demise, but some of the tactics that the rebels are resorting to are despicable.

This just in: people who fight in wars resort to immoral tactics to win.


And later on if your side wins, theses immoral tactics become "Heroic deeds" in history books

13 Dec 2012 11:29 AM
etherknot     

Pair-o-Dice:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that resolve the conflict?


If Assad gets ousted from Syria, where's he going for Christmas? It's not like Turkey wants him over for dinner. I don't think Putin wants to sit next to him at the table either.

So no; it's a whole other ball game.

13 Dec 2012 11:33 AM
ocschwar     
If Assad gets ousted from Syria, where's he going for Christmas? It's not like Turkey wants him over for dinner. I don't think Putin wants to sit next to him at the table either.


If it reduces the bloodshed in Syria, he can farking crash on my couch.

/

13 Dec 2012 11:37 AM
lizyrd     
"...tens, possibly hundreds of thousands of people would be killed if that happened. 'If such a price for ousting the president seems acceptable to you, then what can we do? We consider it unacceptable," he said."

How many deaths are acceptable to oust a tsar?

13 Dec 2012 11:40 AM
LewDux     

BoothbyTCD: LewDux: BoothbyTCD: justinguarini4ever: I'm not losing sleep over Assad's imminent demise, but some of the tactics that the rebels are resorting to are despicable.

It's also not like the end of the Assad regime is going to result in anything but a genocidal bloodbath and yet another displaced refugee population in the Middle East to go with the Kurds and the Palestinians.

Luckily they're only muslims

Weak trolling there Lew.


Symmetrical parody. Plus it's true. Both sides are bad so vote for guy without scary beard

13 Dec 2012 11:40 AM
LewDux     

lizyrd: "...tens, possibly hundreds of thousands of people would be killed if that happened. 'If such a price for ousting the president seems acceptable to you, then what can we do? We consider it unacceptable," he said."

How many deaths are acceptable to oust a tsar?


Depends who you ask, menshevik or bolshevik

13 Dec 2012 11:43 AM
natas6.0     
these are not our friends..who cares
that includes you, russia

13 Dec 2012 11:44 AM
Pair-o-Dice     

etherknot: Pair-o-Dice:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that resolve the conflict?

If Assad gets ousted from Syria, where's he going for Christmas? It's not like Turkey wants him over for dinner. I don't think Putin wants to sit next to him at the table either.

So no; it's a whole other ball game.


So, no Turkey dinner for Christmas. Poor bastard.

13 Dec 2012 11:44 AM
Joe Blowme     
Both sides are run by savages so no side is the right side.

13 Dec 2012 11:57 AM
durbnpoisn     
Perhaps the Mayans were only referring to Syria. It's certainly starting to look that way.

13 Dec 2012 12:02 PM
Lt_Ryan     

ha-ha-guy: It is so cute when Russia is critical of us and thinks they matter. The days of them having a larger population base and more usable land than us have passed. They have half our population and while they have plenty of land, most of it is frozen farking Siberia they can barely exploit. As soon as we cut a deal with the Chinese over Syria, it is over. Russia will just bark and maybe fark around with nat gas exports to Europe in a fit of petulance. Or send out another nuclear submarine to have a disaster.


What a difference countless warm water ports make to country.

13 Dec 2012 12:10 PM
PunGent     

beezeltown: I guess the US added the caveat of labeling certain rebels as "terrorists" just in time for Russian recapitulation. Bashar is about to have his Assad handed to him.


There's been reports of Al Qaeda involvement on the rebel side for months now. It's possible that's not true, but I don't know enough about them to rule it out.

13 Dec 2012 12:30 PM
mciann     
Now, can the US demonstrate the same good sense and finally step away from Israel?

13 Dec 2012 12:44 PM
flynn80     
Even if they backed the Syrian people instead of Assad, the US/Isreal would still have sent in Qatari and Saudi Arabian Mercenaries, as part of PNAC's plans.

13 Dec 2012 12:51 PM
ocschwar     
Now, can the US demonstrate the same good sense and finally step away from Israel?


And let go of the only leash around Israel?

Fails the giggle test, that idea. The IDF would start going Arab on its enemies.

13 Dec 2012 01:01 PM
beezeltown     

PunGent: beezeltown: I guess the US added the caveat of labeling certain rebels as "terrorists" just in time for Russian recapitulation. Bashar is about to have his Assad handed to him.

There's been reports of Al Qaeda involvement on the rebel side for months now. It's possible that's not true, but I don't know enough about them to rule it out.


This is true, but It seems like the US just recently made a few loud proclamations about which factions are terrorists and which are not. It would make sense for the US (and Russia) to "clean up" their final statements about who they support and where they stand on the eve of the Syrian government's collapse.

13 Dec 2012 01:06 PM
czetie     
Russians begin to think they may have backed the losing side in Syria

This is a repeat from, oh, every farking conflict across the Middle East and North Africa since the beginning of the Cold War.

mciann: Now, can the US demonstrate the same good sense and finally step away from Israel?


Yes, because the two situations are so obviously comparable. ( °)( °)

13 Dec 2012 01:08 PM
GreenSoundz     

13 Dec 2012 01:32 PM
RevCarter     

beezeltown: PunGent: beezeltown: I guess the US added the caveat of labeling certain rebels as "terrorists" just in time for Russian recapitulation. Bashar is about to have his Assad handed to him.

There's been reports of Al Qaeda involvement on the rebel side for months now. It's possible that's not true, but I don't know enough about them to rule it out.

This is true, but It seems like the US just recently made a few loud proclamations about which factions are terrorists and which are not. It would make sense for the US (and Russia) to "clean up" their final statements about who they support and where they stand on the eve of the Syrian government's collapse.


It's a prelude to everyone dumping a shiatload of money into Syrian reconstruction. It gives the US a good bit more control over who gets funded and who doesn't. People and organizations with connections to Jabhat al-Nusra who are interested in getting money from us and from Europe are going to back away from them and towards the groups that we support.

It's a pretty clever Soft Power-type move, though only time will tell as far as its long term success or failure.

13 Dec 2012 01:41 PM
antron     
In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances.

13 Dec 2012 02:22 PM
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