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   When you're too old for school bus fights, preparing your kid to do the fighting is the next best thing

14 Dec 2012 07:34 AM   |   3636 clicks   |   Tampa Bay Online
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fusillade762    [TotalFark]  
I'm not sure beating someone over the head with a sock full of padlocks really qualifies as a "fight".

14 Dec 2012 12:04 AM
brap    [TotalFark]  
Whoa.  Whatever happened to talking a kid into joining the debate team?

14 Dec 2012 12:20 AM
doglover    [TotalFark]  

fusillade762: I'm not sure beating someone over the head with a sock full of padlocks really qualifies as a "fight".


Yeah. If my kid were to fight someone with fists, I'd support them the whole way.

If my kid attacked someone randomly with a blackjack, I'd drag his ass to the cops myself.

14 Dec 2012 02:59 AM
Because People in power are Stupid     

fusillade762: I'm not sure beating someone over the head with a sock full of padlocks really qualifies as a "fight".


Yeah -Lightweights. Why bring a homemade mace when a zipgun would do nicely.

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14 Dec 2012 07:32 AM
fzumrk     
Daddy put us in the truck and
Dropped us off and said good luck, then
One lucky kid waiting for the bus
Made a winner out of one of us

14 Dec 2012 07:39 AM
abhorrent1     
*looks at mug shots*

/yep

14 Dec 2012 07:44 AM
Silly Jesus     
Trash acting trashy? Ya don't say?!

14 Dec 2012 07:44 AM
Silly Jesus     

abhorrent1: *looks at mug shots*

/yep


thatsracist.jpg

14 Dec 2012 07:45 AM
Dogfacedgod     
I bet this kid will grow up to be a scholar.

14 Dec 2012 07:46 AM
Molavian     
If everyone had tube socks full of padlocks this wouldn't have happened.

14 Dec 2012 07:47 AM
serial_crusher    [TotalFark]  
I'm all for the "teach your kid to fight back" philosophy, but yeah maybe teach him about not fighting dirty.

14 Dec 2012 07:49 AM
tiamet4     
For a moment I thought this was a school district overreacting to a parent teaching his kid to fight back against a bully. Then I read the article...nevermind.

14 Dec 2012 07:55 AM
kwame    [TotalFark]  
Whatever happened to good old fashioned socks filled with bars of soap?

14 Dec 2012 07:55 AM
Another Government Employee     
How long before this kid gets shot?

14 Dec 2012 07:57 AM
rnatalie    [TotalFark]  
You can always go and educate the teachers: Link to Video

14 Dec 2012 08:04 AM
keylock71     
What the fark is wrong with people...

This is the second story of a parent helping their kid beat on another kid I've seen this week.

shiat, when I got into fights as a kid, my mom was more pissed off at me than the other kid.

14 Dec 2012 08:09 AM
GORDON     
From TFA: "We have to teach kids that violence does not solve issues."

Bullshiat. Violence has solved more issues in the history of civilization than any other factor.

The kid was bullied, the school ignored it, and the bully got a beatdown. Seems better than waiting for the victim to just kill himself.

14 Dec 2012 08:15 AM
Grimthorn     

serial_crusher: I'm all for the "teach your kid to fight back" philosophy, but yeah maybe teach him about not fighting dirty.


Wait a second... IF you have to fight (and my argument might be "If you are cornered into a fight, then you did something wrong along the way.") then fight as absolutely dirty as you have to in order to win. If you're more worried about "fighting fair" than you are about winning quickly and getting the hell away, then you probably shouldn't be fighting in the first place. (and I believe that most "schoolyard fights" fall into the category of "shouldn't be there in the first place.")

Put another way... When dealing with a bully, what possible reason would I have to "fight fair" with one?

14 Dec 2012 08:16 AM
Grimthorn     
Guess I should also make this point...

This wasn't a fight, it was a straight up assault. If you're making plans to do violence to someone else, regardless of reason, then it's not a fight. It's an attack. And last I checked you can and should go to jail for that.

14 Dec 2012 08:18 AM
Aces and Eights     
At least the father is involved in the kid's life. Or he was until those meddling cops sent him to jail.

14 Dec 2012 08:19 AM
keylock71     

GORDON: The kid was bullied, the school ignored it, and the bully got a beatdown. Seems better than waiting for the victim to just kill himself.


Well, yes, if you just take the ex-felon's word for it...

Shields has been arrested in Hillsborough County 27 times, Lewis said. He has served prison time on three separate occasions. He was last released in 2009 after serving nearly four years for manufacturing and selling cocaine, according to state records.

Sounds like a typical concerned parent, who's just looking out for his son.

14 Dec 2012 08:21 AM
Free Radical     
"Calm, cool, reasoning" 
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14 Dec 2012 08:22 AM
ltdanman44     
When 12 year old bobby is a bully and you fight back you are defending your honor.

When 236 year old America bullies, fighting back is terrorism

14 Dec 2012 08:22 AM
GORDON     

keylock71: GORDON: The kid was bullied, the school ignored it, and the bully got a beatdown. Seems better than waiting for the victim to just kill himself.

Well, yes, if you just take the ex-felon's word for it...

Shields has been arrested in Hillsborough County 27 times, Lewis said. He has served prison time on three separate occasions. He was last released in 2009 after serving nearly four years for manufacturing and selling cocaine, according to state records.

Sounds like a typical concerned parent, who's just looking out for his son.


One thing has got absolutely nothing to do with the other. At all.

14 Dec 2012 08:24 AM
megarian    [TotalFark]  

Molavian: If everyone had tube socks full of padlocks this wouldn't have happened.


I lol'd.

14 Dec 2012 08:27 AM
drjekel_mrhyde     
WTF. The step father needs his ass kicked

14 Dec 2012 08:30 AM
keylock71     

GORDON: One thing has got absolutely nothing to do with the other. At all.


Well, then let's see some evidence of the bullying.

The fact is, this jackass helped one child assault another child with a deadly weapon.

That's not what civilized, law-abiding citizens do.

Even if what he says is true about his son being bullied by this other kid, that's is still no justification for what occurred at the bus stop.

So now, Mr. Padlocks-In-a-Tube-Stock has upped his total to 28 arrests.
But I'm sure he's an upstanding citizen who can be relied on to tell the truth when facing another stint in prison.

14 Dec 2012 08:30 AM
relcec     

Molavian: If everyone had tube socks full of padlocks this wouldn't have happened.


bullshiat,
no one *needs* multiple padlocks or a full length sock that can hold multiple padlocks.
these products are inherently dangerous and should be strictly regulated.

14 Dec 2012 08:31 AM
starsrift     
Unless the 13 year old happens to have his birthday in December, generally unlikely, the 14 year old got bullied by a kid in a grade below him who probably shares no classes.

14 Dec 2012 08:32 AM
relcec     

starsrift: Unless the 13 year old happens to have his birthday in December, generally unlikely, the 14 year old got bullied by a kid in a grade below him who probably shares no classes.


you know what they say, a kid being born in December is as rare as finding a Sao Tome Shrew in the northwest territories...

14 Dec 2012 08:35 AM
liam76     
Readingt he fark post title I thought he was goign to get in trouble for teaching hsi kid how to fight, I was prepared to explain how yes in many cases, expecially among kids violence does solve problems, and the school isn't going to help.

Not prepared for this.

WTF did this clown think was going to happen?

He should be going away to jail for a long time.

What is farked up is that he will probably get less time for setting up an assault with a deadly weapon on a kid then he did for selling drugs.

14 Dec 2012 08:37 AM
Psycoholic_Slag     

ltdanman44: When 12 year old bobby is a bully and you fight back you are defending your honor.

When 236 year old America bullies, fighting back is terrorism


Patriot = the side that won

Terrorist = the side that lost

14 Dec 2012 08:44 AM
Grither     

ltdanman44: When 12 year old bobby is a bully and you fight back you are defending your honor.

When 236 year old America bullies, fighting back is terrorism


Wow.

14 Dec 2012 08:46 AM
willfullyobscure     

GORDON: From TFA: "We have to teach kids that violence does not solve issues."

Bullshiat. Violence has solved more issues in the history of civilization than any other factor.

The kid was bullied, the school ignored it, and the bully got a beatdown. Seems better than waiting for the victim to just kill himself.


OK, Robert. Now lets hear about how creepy incest eugenics and "clan marriage" can solve societal problems too

14 Dec 2012 08:48 AM
liam76     

Psycoholic_Slag: Terrorist = the side that lostpurposely targets civilians


FTFY

And to keep this on track, the bully is the guy who randomly blindsides another kid with a sock full of padlocks.

14 Dec 2012 08:48 AM
relcec     

liam76: Psycoholic_Slag: Terrorist = the side that lost purposely targets civilians

FTFY

And to keep this on track, the bully is the guy who randomly blindsides another kid with a sock full of padlocks.


military-age male

http://www.emptywheel.net/2012/06/06/ scotus-reviews-the-military-age- m ale-standard-on-thursday/

14 Dec 2012 08:53 AM
ComaToast     

Molavian: If everyone had tube socks full of padlocks this wouldn't have happened.


When tube socks full of padlocks are outlawed then only outlaws will have tube socks full of padlocks. The second amendment guarantees our right to have tube socks full of padlocks!

14 Dec 2012 08:58 AM
keylock71     

liam76: Readingt he fark post title I thought he was goign to get in trouble for teaching hsi kid how to fight, I was prepared to explain how yes in many cases, expecially among kids violence does solve problems, and the school isn't going to help.

Not prepared for this.

WTF did this clown think was going to happen?

He should be going away to jail for a long time.

What is farked up is that he will probably get less time for setting up an assault with a deadly weapon on a kid then he did for selling drugs.


Yeah, kids get into fights and I think any reasonable parent would want their kid to have a basic understanding of how to defend themselves if they can't avoid a physical confrontation, but showing a kid how to make a make-shift prison weapon and instructing him while he's pummeling another kid with said weapon is well beyond the realm of reasonable.

It will be interesting to see the court decision on this one... I'm guessing this guy will get the book thrown at him considering he's an ex-felon, but who knows.

14 Dec 2012 09:14 AM
liam76     

relcec: liam76: Psycoholic_Slag: Terrorist = the side that lost purposely targets civilians

FTFY

And to keep this on track, the bully is the guy who randomly blindsides another kid with a sock full of padlocks.

military-age male

http://www.emptywheel.net/2012/06/06/ scotus-reviews-the-military-age- m ale-standard-on-thursday/


Unless they are intentionally targeting any random "military age male" that doesn't really apply.

14 Dec 2012 09:14 AM
angryjd     
"Tube sock full of padlocks" would be an awesome band name.

14 Dec 2012 09:28 AM
relcec     

liam76: relcec: liam76: Psycoholic_Slag: Terrorist = the side that lost purposely targets civilians

FTFY

And to keep this on track, the bully is the guy who randomly blindsides another kid with a sock full of padlocks.

military-age male

http://www.emptywheel.net/2012/06/06/ scotus-reviews-the-military-age- m ale-standard-on-thursday/

Unless they are intentionally targeting any random "military age male" that doesn't really apply.


but that's the point.
they aren't randomly targetting, they are blowing up men aged 12 to 70, who because of their age and sex are therefore militants, or terrorists.


http://www.salon.com/2012/05/29/milit ants_media_propaganda/
Virtually every time the U.S. fires a missile from a drone and ends the lives of Muslims, American media outlets dutifully trumpet in headlines that the dead were "militants" - even though those media outlets literally do not have the slightest idea of who was actually killed. They simply cite always-unnamed "officials" claiming that the dead were "militants." It's the most obvious and inexcusable form of rank propaganda: media outlets continuously propagating a vital claim without having the slightest idea if it's true.

This practice continues even though key Obama officials have been caught lying, a term used advisedly, about how many civilians they're killing. I've written and said many times before that in American media discourse, the definition of "militant" is any human being whose life is extinguished when an American missile or bomb detonates (that term was even used when Anwar Awlaki's 16-year-old American son, Abdulrahman, was killed by a U.S. drone in Yemen two weeks after a drone killed his father, even though nobody claims the teenager was anything but completely innocent: "Another U.S. Drone Strike Kills Militants in Yemen").

This morning, the New York Times has a very lengthy and detailed article about President Obama's counter-Terrorism policies based on interviews with "three dozen of his current and former advisers." I'm writing separately about the numerous revelations contained in that article, but want specifically to highlight this one vital passage about how the Obama administration determines who is a "militant." The article explains that Obama's rhetorical emphasis on avoiding civilian deaths "did not significantly change" the drone program, because Obama himself simply expanded the definition of a "militant" to ensure that it includes virtually everyone killed by his drone strikes. Just read this remarkable passage:

Mr. Obama embraced a disputed method for counting civilian casualties that did little to box him in. It in effect counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent.

14 Dec 2012 09:39 AM
keylock71     

angryjd: "Tube sock full of padlocks" would be an awesome band name.


I think I'd go with "Tubesock Padlock"...

14 Dec 2012 09:43 AM
Cold_Sassy     
Dang, Florida has been on a roll this week.

and the stepfather: "...Shields has been arrested in Hillsborough County 27 times, Lewis said. He has served prison time on three separate occasions. He was last released in 2009 after serving nearly four years for manufacturing and selling cocaine.

Makes you wonder what his Momma is like. 
she has already proved she exhibits very good judgement and decision making skills.

14 Dec 2012 09:54 AM
Psycoholic_Slag     

liam76: Psycoholic_Slag: Terrorist = the side that lostpurposely targets civilians

FTFY


Read up on Samuel Adams and The Sons of Liberty. They were considered "terrorists" by the Brits and those loyal to the Crown.

14 Dec 2012 10:06 AM
liam76     

Psycoholic_Slag: liam76: Psycoholic_Slag: Terrorist = the side that lostpurposely targets civilians

FTFY

Read up on Samuel Adams and The Sons of Liberty. They were considered "terrorists" by the Brits and those loyal to the Crown.


Want to point out where they were randomly targeting civilians.

relcec: liam76: relcec: liam76: Psycoholic_Slag: Terrorist = the side that lost purposely targets civilians

FTFY

And to keep this on track, the bully is the guy who randomly blindsides another kid with a sock full of padlocks.

military-age male

http://www.emptywheel.net/2012/06/06/ scotus-reviews-the-military-age- m ale-standard-on-thursday/

Unless they are intentionally targeting any random "military age male" that doesn't really apply.

but that's the point.
they aren't randomly targetting, they are blowing up men aged 12 to 70, who because of their age and sex are therefore militants, or terrorists.


If they were hitting any group of men aged 12 to 70 you would be right.

They aren't.

You have a point that the media and the govt are a bit lax with the definition of "militant" but that doesn't mean they are randomly targeting people.

They aren't flying drones around saying "hey we got a few dudes there the right age, lets hit them". They are going after specific targets.

14 Dec 2012 10:21 AM
FTDA     

ltdanman44: When 12 year old bobby is a bully and you fight back you are defending your honor.

When 236 year old America bullies, fighting back is terrorism


You're either trolling or a special kind of stupid.

14 Dec 2012 10:24 AM
FTDA     

keylock71: angryjd: "Tube sock full of padlocks" would be an awesome band name.

I think I'd go with "Tubesock Padlock"...


Locking up the love glove?

14 Dec 2012 10:30 AM
Sultan Of Herf     
Yay...I used to live and work near there. As a matter of fact that intersection is almost exactly half way between my old apartment and job. Nothing good in that area.

14 Dec 2012 10:38 AM
relcec     

liam76: They aren't flying drones around saying "hey we got a few dudes there the right age, lets hit them". They are going after specific targets.



sure they are...


The CIA is seeking authority to expand its covert drone campaign in Yemen by launching strikes against terrorism suspects even when it does not know the identities of those who could be killed, U.S. officials said. Securing permission to use these "signature strikes" would allow the agency to hit targets based solely on intelligence indicating patterns of suspicious behavior, such as imagery showing militants gathering at known al-Qaeda compounds or unloading explosives.

The practice has been a core element of the CIA's drone program in Pakistan for several years. CIA Director David H. Petraeus has requested permission to use the tactic against the al-Qaeda affiliate in Yemen, which has emerged as the most pressing terrorism threat to the United States, officials said.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2 012-04-18/world/35453346_1_signa tu re-strikes-drone-strike-drone-program



Ex-CIA Official Slams Obama's 'Indiscriminate' Use of Drones

Robert Grenier, a former CIA counter-terrorism head, has slammed President Obama's drone program telling the UK's Guardian that we have been "seduced" by drones and that the drones are killing people "indiscriminately."

Robert Grenier: "We have been seduced by them and the unintended consequences of our actions are going to outweigh the intended consequences." (US Air Force photo) While White House Press Secretary Jay Carney told reporters last week, "We have at our disposal tools that make avoidance of civilian casualties much easier, and tools that make precision targeting possible in ways that have never existed in the past," Grenier's comments cast doubt on the "precision targeting."

Implying that the drones have been killing civilians, Grenier told the Guardian in the interview: "It [the drone program] needs to be targeted much more finely. We have been seduced by them and the unintended consequences of our actions are going to outweigh the intended consequences."
Link


/so are you prepared to admit we practice terrorism? and wtf happened to all the liberals anyway? did they ever really exist?

14 Dec 2012 10:42 AM
Fissile     
Been my experience that kids who are dicks have parents who are dicks.

/Not surprised.

14 Dec 2012 10:44 AM
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