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   Chinese find Aussie Prime Minister's end-of-the-world farewell speech about as amusing as they found the Onion honoring Kim Jong Un. Which is to say, they think it's dead serious

14 Dec 2012 10:19 AM   |   4695 clicks   |   Daily Life (Australia)
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Dead for Tax Reasons    [TotalFark]  
So are these cases of the chinese being naive of the nature of the internet due to censorship, or is their government correct in censorship since, as a people, they just can't handle the information out there

Or these people are like grandma who believe all the fw:fw:fw: emails they receive

14 Dec 2012 08:55 AM
Diogenes    [TotalFark]  

Dead for Tax Reasons: So are these cases of the chinese being naive of the nature of the internet due to censorship, or is their government correct in censorship since, as a people, they just can't handle the information out there

Or these people are like grandma who believe all the fw:fw:fw: emails they receive


The level of freedom of speech we enjoy (which includes silly speech) is completely alien them and many others around the world. They either believe it's official speech, or speech allowed by officials.

14 Dec 2012 09:07 AM
ginandbacon    [TotalFark]  
FARKING AUTOPLAY. Thanks a lot, Subass.

14 Dec 2012 09:15 AM
dbirchall     

Diogenes: The level of freedom of speech we enjoy (which includes silly speech) is completely alien them and many others around the world. They either believe it's official speech, or speech allowed by officials.


To be fair, that was the actual Australian Prime Minister, and she did actually say those things. I guess China doesn't have a longstanding tradition of satire, parody and pranks on radio shows?

14 Dec 2012 09:33 AM
Diogenes    [TotalFark]  

dbirchall: Diogenes: The level of freedom of speech we enjoy (which includes silly speech) is completely alien them and many others around the world. They either believe it's official speech, or speech allowed by officials.

To be fair, that was the actual Australian Prime Minister, and she did actually say those things. I guess China doesn't have a longstanding tradition of satire, parody and pranks on radio shows?


No, you're right. This one was especially challenging.

14 Dec 2012 10:18 AM
The Jami Turman Fan Club     

ginandbacon: FARKING AUTOPLAY. Thanks a lot, Subass.


You clicked the link? Why would you DO that? Why?

14 Dec 2012 10:25 AM
HindiDiscoMonster     

Dead for Tax Reasons: So are these cases of the chinese being naive of the nature of the internet due to censorship, or is their government correct in censorship since, as a people, they just can't handle the information out there

Or these people are like grandma who believe all the fw:fw:fw: emails they receive


yes

14 Dec 2012 10:25 AM
doczoidberg     
She's kind of hot.

14 Dec 2012 10:26 AM
HindiDiscoMonster     

doczoidberg: She's kind of hot.


it's the whole powerful women thing... isn't it?

/chips, dips, chains, and whips FTW

14 Dec 2012 10:30 AM
Ol' Derpy Bastard     

ginandbacon: FARKING AUTOPLAY. Thanks a lot, Subass.


Do you even NoScript? Link

14 Dec 2012 10:32 AM
ciberido     

Dead for Tax Reasons: So are these cases of the chinese being naive of the nature of the internet due to censorship, or is their government correct in censorship since, as a people, they just can't handle the information out there

Or these people are like grandma who believe all the fw:fw:fw: emails they receive


The West is no better. After all, we fell pretty hard for that "Gangnam Style" hoax.

14 Dec 2012 10:33 AM
Bleyo     
When I lived in Japan, the locals did not appreciate sarcasm at all.

I just think it's a cultural difference between East Asia and the West.

14 Dec 2012 10:33 AM
doczoidberg     

HindiDiscoMonster: doczoidberg: She's kind of hot.

it's the whole powerful women thing... isn't it?

/chips, dips, chains, and whips FTW


HindiDiscoMonster: doczoidberg: She's kind of hot.

it's the whole powerful women thing... isn't it?

/chips, dips, chains, and whips FTW



Yes, it is.

14 Dec 2012 10:34 AM
ginandbacon    [TotalFark]  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: ginandbacon: FARKING AUTOPLAY. Thanks a lot, Subass.

You clicked the link? Why would you DO that? Why?


I wasn't completely awake yet.

Ol' Derpy Bastard: ginandbacon: FARKING AUTOPLAY. Thanks a lot, Subass.

Do you even NoScript? Link


Does that disable everything though? Like Hulu and NPR and so on?

14 Dec 2012 10:36 AM
OldManDownDRoad     

Bleyo: When I lived in Japan, the locals did not appreciate sarcasm at all.

I just think it's a cultural difference between East Asia and the West.


Heh - try adding a little sarcasm or irony to the comments section of your local newspaper and see how quickly it gets deleted if the section is moderated. The papers owned by McClatchy (News and Observer of Raleigh, Charlotte Observer, etc) are particularly notorious for this.

In related news, the IT dept on campus sent out an "End of the World" email notification earlier this week that reminded everyone to have their TPS forms in early. That would be grreeaaattt . . .

14 Dec 2012 10:42 AM
Ol' Derpy Bastard     

ginandbacon: The Jami Turman Fan Club: ginandbacon: FARKING AUTOPLAY. Thanks a lot, Subass.

You clicked the link? Why would you DO that? Why?

I wasn't completely awake yet.

Ol' Derpy Bastard: ginandbacon: FARKING AUTOPLAY. Thanks a lot, Subass.

Do you even NoScript? Link

Does that disable everything though? Like Hulu and NPR and so on?


It disables whatever you want it to disable. You can forbid Java, Flash, Silverlight, and other plug-ins in the UI.

14 Dec 2012 10:44 AM
Diogenes    [TotalFark]  

Bleyo: When I lived in Japan, the locals did not appreciate sarcasm at all.

I just think it's a cultural difference between East Asia and the West.


I took a class in German Cinema in college. Our professor, and I agree, said the same of Germans. Sarcasm and satire are outside their frame of reference.

When he said that, that old SNL Sprockets skit, "Germany's Most Disturbing Home Videos" suddenly made alot of sense.

14 Dec 2012 10:47 AM
trapped-in-CH     
And I'm now in love with the Australian PM.

14 Dec 2012 10:47 AM
topcon     
A nation of people who will spend three months hard-earned salary on things like powdered shark penis think the Australian PM says the world is ending? NO WAY!

14 Dec 2012 10:49 AM
unchellmatt    [TotalFark]  

Diogenes: Dead for Tax Reasons: So are these cases of the chinese being naive of the nature of the internet due to censorship, or is their government correct in censorship since, as a people, they just can't handle the information out there

Or these people are like grandma who believe all the fw:fw:fw: emails they receive

The level of freedom of speech we enjoy (which includes silly speech) is completely alien them and many others around the world. They either believe it's official speech, or speech allowed by officials.


It's not just that, at least by my experience with people from China. There's a cultural difference. Sarcasm and situations like this, the absurd stated with deadpan seriousness, particularly by heads of state, is almost unheard of. I mean, they DO have absurdist humor, certainly, and puns (for example, the word for "airplane" is, effectively, the same as the words for "fat chicken", just different tonal value which can make for deliberate and very silly statements), but what this lady did and what the Onion does just doesn't click.

Out in a pub with a friend from China, there was this really annoying, seriously ugly-ass rude coont giving the bartender a hard time. He finally just tells her to screw, get out of his pub. She leaves. I looked at the bartender and said "Well, she was a lovely woman, wasn't she?" My buddy from China was totally perplexed as to why I'd say that while the bartender laughed. We BOTH had to try and explain it to him, but with his bad English and my bad Chinese, it took a while.

14 Dec 2012 10:54 AM
Suckmaster Burstingfoam     
Didn't read. Webpage had 54 scripts, apparently, according to NoScript.

PS if you want to really be anal about security, you can also run Ghostery, AdBlock Plus, and edit your hosts.txt to block IPs you don't like.

14 Dec 2012 11:03 AM
JackieRabbit     
Not surprising. The Chinese people I work with (not Chinese-American) are very literal and do not recognize Western satire.

14 Dec 2012 11:04 AM
Lucky LaRue    [TotalFark]  
Ok, everyone, I want you to stop picking on China RIGHT NOW! You may think you're being funny, but what you are really doing called "Bullying". Think how you would feel if the whole world decided to make fun of your country's science and math skills. It would be pretty hurtful, right? So stop being a bully, OK?

14 Dec 2012 11:04 AM
Sass-O-Rev    [TotalFark]  
Between my (slight) hearing loss, and the PM's accent, what I heard was not "flesh-eating zombies", but "fellatiating zombies"

/even funnier, that way.

14 Dec 2012 11:12 AM
unchellmatt    [TotalFark]  

unchellmatt: *blah blah as if I knew what I was talking about...


I should have said "at least among the Chinese people I've known". For all I know there could have been a HUGE percentage of the population that got it and get that sort of humor. At least the Chinese people I've known, sarcasm and deadpan goes right over their heads.

14 Dec 2012 11:12 AM
AdamK     
the chinese are easy to troll

14 Dec 2012 11:17 AM
sjmcc13     

unchellmatt: unchellmatt: *blah blah as if I knew what I was talking about...

I should have said "at least among the Chinese people I've known". For all I know there could have been a HUGE percentage of the population that got it and get that sort of humor. At least the Chinese people I've known, sarcasm and deadpan goes right over their heads.


Same for me (the ones from chine, and the ones raised in North America). Sort of like with Eve and the snake in Eden (apply Ockham's razor to the story and you get a trivially different and better explination and lesson then is traditionally taught) if you have no real experience with something you have a very hard time detecting it.

14 Dec 2012 11:22 AM
BokerBill     

ciberido: Dead for Tax Reasons: So are these cases of the chinese being naive of the nature of the internet due to censorship, or is their government correct in censorship since, as a people, they just can't handle the information out there

Or these people are like grandma who believe all the fw:fw:fw: emails they receive

The West is no better. After all, we fell pretty hard for that "Gangnam Style" hoax.


The line about the "total triumph of K-Pop" was the scariest part.

14 Dec 2012 11:56 AM
Diogenes    [TotalFark]  

unchellmatt: We BOTH had to try and explain it to him, but with his bad English and my bad Chinese, it took a while.


I love situations like that.

I have a co-worker originally from Mexico who's trying to sharpen her (already solid) English skills. So I sometimes deliberately throw out idioms I know she won't immediately understand. Sometimes she takes them literally. "Man, I worked my fingers to the bone this weekend." "Really?! Did that hurt? Did they bleed?"

It's OK though. She's helping me with Mexican Spanish (I learned Castellano) for getaway wedding there next October. Revenge is a dish best served spicy.

14 Dec 2012 12:00 PM
Paris1127    [TotalFark]  

trapped-in-CH: And I'm now in love with the Australian PM.


This is funny Gillard. Be careful of angry Gillard. I visited the Parliament House a few weeks after this speech and you could still see the shiat stain on Tony Abbott's chair...

14 Dec 2012 01:40 PM
o'really     
Am I the only one that thought the article writer was being awfully dense? I'm sure at least some of those chinese posts she quoted were being made sarcastically. "And I haven't even gotten married yet!"...

The article writer herself points out that the video was found by chinese as "too strange to believe". Sooo, the chinese didn't fall for it, right?

She acts like the risk of fallout in china for politicians by doing anything out of the norm is somehow new... This has always been true in communist china. Political events are always scripted. I assume this is a carryover from pre-communist china.

I also disagree with some people's statements here that chinese are unfamiliar with satire. On the contrary, in a country with extreme censorship, astute and biting satire is especially important. China has a long history of satire, because they can't poke fun at their politicians directly. This is especially common in literature, but also is found in art,comics, op eds, etc.

The author's statement that chinese politicians are unfamiliar with irony made me laugh. The chinese political system is RIFE with irony, the system itself is completely ironic in its contradictions. the chinese people know it, shiat anyone familiar with communism recognizes this, no?

I've never been to china, but I lived in taiwan, and the chinese there love to make fun of themselves and others.

And yes, diogenes, the germans have no sense of humor, that is a known fact. Ever seen a german sketch show attempt? It's embarrassing.

14 Dec 2012 02:16 PM
groppet     

o'really: And yes, diogenes, the germans have no sense of humor, that is a known fact. Ever seen a german sketch show attempt? It's embarrassing.


Well they lost the edge in joke weapons during WW2

14 Dec 2012 03:07 PM
calufrax     

groppet: o'really: And yes, diogenes, the germans have no sense of humor, that is a known fact. Ever seen a german sketch show attempt? It's embarrassing.

Well they lost the edge in joke weapons during WW2


Look up some of Henning Wehn's stuff...

14 Dec 2012 05:10 PM
ADHD Librarian     

dbirchall: Diogenes: The level of freedom of speech we enjoy (which includes silly speech) is completely alien them and many others around the world. They either believe it's official speech, or speech allowed by officials.

To be fair, that was the actual Australian Prime Minister, and she did actually say those things. I guess China doesn't have a longstanding tradition of satire, parody and pranks on radio shows?


So when this radio prank causes suicides across the East will the media all be calling it all Julia's fault?

15 Dec 2012 05:10 AM
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