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14 Dec 2012 02:18 PM   |   4744 clicks   |   BBC
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SnarfVader     
Not good. A broad interpretation of "phone owner" or "phone user" could potentially ban services that locate a phone after it has been stolen.

14 Dec 2012 11:07 AM
Communist_Manifesto     

SnarfVader: Not good. A broad interpretation of "phone owner" or "phone user" could potentially ban services that locate a phone after it has been stolen.


That's kinda what I thought. I'm all for companies not being able to track everything about me though. Maybe we can get congress to ban the state from using this kind of surveillance as well! (hahahahhahaahahhahahaha)

14 Dec 2012 11:45 AM
serial_crusher    [TotalFark]  
The Location Privacy Protection Act would make it illegal for companies to sell apps which provide the location of the phone to other users.

I absolutely support this legislation. Could you imagine the chaos that would ensue if people were able to install any app they wanted on their phone, and use features that are useful to them but not necessarily everybody?

I'm at odds here, because the Republican in me says that we need more government intrusion into our private lives, but the Libertarian and Apple Fanboy in me are saying that we should leave this kind of intrusion up to private enterprise instead of relying on the government.

/ Seriously, if you don't want your phone tracking you, turn off location services and don't install sketchy stalking apps.

14 Dec 2012 01:49 PM
gopher321    [TotalFark]  
What? Actually talk to a girl? Nope, uh-uh, ain't gonna happen.

/I'm scared

14 Dec 2012 02:11 PM
doczoidberg     
How am I supposed to keep track of my ex?

14 Dec 2012 02:20 PM
Diogenes    [TotalFark]  

SnarfVader: Not good. A broad interpretation of "phone owner" or "phone user" could potentially ban services that locate a phone after it has been stolen.


Or locating kids, the elderly, or other missing persons.

14 Dec 2012 02:20 PM
PowerSlacker     
Anything that helps us get rid of Facebook is a good thing.

14 Dec 2012 02:22 PM
To The Escape Zeppelin!     

doczoidberg: How am I supposed to keep track of my ex?


You'll have to go back to obsessing over Facebook posts like the rest of us.

14 Dec 2012 02:23 PM
ringersol     
doczoidberg: "How am I supposed to keep track of my ex?"

Facebook?

14 Dec 2012 02:24 PM
Jon iz teh kewl     
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14 Dec 2012 02:28 PM
Millennium     
And so we get to the crux of the problem: people want to share their data with the world, but they don't want to share their data with those people. They have yet to figure out that they can't have it both ways.

14 Dec 2012 02:31 PM
CapeFearCadaver    [TotalFark]  

doczoidberg: How am I supposed to keep track of my ex?


Funny story, the ex tried to give me his old phone when he bought a new one... before all hell broke loose, tried it out for 2 days before I realized something fishy was going on. Ran over it a couple times and told it fell while I was at the catwalk at the mall.

9 months after everything 'ended' I finally got home internet, immediately shiat was trying to send my info out. Cleaned everything off as best I could, changed passwords around 10 times, then my company's IT guy came out did some more finagling with the laptop. Good lord the shiat psycho had put on there...

14 Dec 2012 02:33 PM
Mega Steve     
'Just go up and say something apps' recommended

Thanks for the advice, subby, but that doesn't work either.

I went up to Christina Hendricks, introduced myself, and told her " I love you, and I'd kill anyone for you. ANYONE." All it got me was a restraining order

14 Dec 2012 02:33 PM
Diogenes    [TotalFark]  

Millennium: And so we get to the crux of the problem: people want to share their data with the world, but they don't want to share their data with those people. They have yet to figure out that they can't have it both ways.


Which is why, with regard to Facebook at least, I just opt out entirely.

14 Dec 2012 02:34 PM
topcon     
Yeah...it isn't really "stalking" when you're voluntarily allowing one of these programs to tell other people where you are.

But yay, thanks for saving people from themselves with more laws.

14 Dec 2012 02:35 PM
groppet     
Guess its back to hiding in bushes and stealing her pets.

14 Dec 2012 02:36 PM
Diogenes    [TotalFark]  

topcon: Yeah...it isn't really "stalking" when you're voluntarily allowing one of these programs to tell other people where you are.

But yay, thanks for saving people from themselves with more laws.


As opposed to say Spokeo, which can publish all sorts of information about you without your consent. Much of it incorrect.

14 Dec 2012 02:37 PM
Diogenes    [TotalFark]  

groppet: Guess its back to hiding in bushes and stealing her pets.


That's a unique euphemism for "soiled panties."

14 Dec 2012 02:38 PM
reillan     
"just go up and say something" doesn't work for those of us with no social skills at all. I can't do small talk.

/FALAB

14 Dec 2012 02:42 PM
Millennium     
'Just go up and say something apps' recommended

What people are afraid of are people who did go up and say something, got rebuffed, but refuse to take no for an answer.

That said, this is what it means to share your data publicly: anyone can see what you share. If this makes you uncomfortable or would cause problems, don't share the data.

14 Dec 2012 02:49 PM
special20    [TotalFark]  

doczoidberg: How am I supposed to keep track of my ex?


Seriously, I don't need to be running into an ex when I'm out behaving badly.

Why do they hate America? Aren't they killing jobs in the private sector with this legislation? Unreal.

14 Dec 2012 02:54 PM
here to help    [TotalFark]  
However, David LeDuc, senior director of public policy at the Software & Information Industry Association believes that a voluntary "code of conduct" on data collection would be more beneficial to the sector than new legislation.

"This flexible, consensus process is better able to ensure that policies are not technology or platform specific," he wrote in a blog post last week.

"At a time of increasing convergence, where "applications" are seamlessly offered across a wide range of devices, fixed laws such as this would stifle technological evolution by creating a distinct privacy regime based on a specific type of device."


Sounds good to me, Dave. Now I'm sure you won't mind if I follow you and your family around digitally. I mean that's totally not creepy or inappropriate, right?

F*ckstain shill.

14 Dec 2012 02:58 PM
The Irresponsible Captain    [TotalFark]  
How about we just pass some comprehensive privacy laws that protect the personal data of private citizens from exploitation by business, government, and international entities? Wouldn't that solve all our problems?

Shouldn't you have to explicitly opt-in to any kind of location tracking?

14 Dec 2012 03:02 PM
Jim_Callahan     
Um, most of the affected apps are giving location info to advertisers, so that they can throw ads at you that are location-specific or related to your lifestyle. Going up to you and saying something is pretty much the entire point.

As far as banning tracking the location of a stolen device, that's not really how US property law works. Stolen property still belongs to the pre-theft owner, no matter how many times it's subsequently resold. And a tracking app of that kind is generally accessed through the primary account (i.e. it tends to be a service provider service) you wouldn't be sharing info with other users, just the primary user of the account. Basically I don't think that this would be a problem.

14 Dec 2012 03:16 PM
cgraves67     
My various exended family members all have each other on Google Latitude, which shares user location. It's come in handy a time or two. You can disable temporarily if you want to go off the radar.

14 Dec 2012 03:22 PM
dready zim     
It isn`t possible to write an app that can make sure people you want can have your location data etc but not the entire freakin world.

It just can`t be done. Impossible. We need to ban every app that has this capability. In fact what we need is to ban GPS on a phone altogether.

/stop saving me from myself. Myself wants me to enjoy my life...

14 Dec 2012 03:25 PM
dready zim     
Would this make home prisoner location ankle bracelets illegal?

They transmit the location of a user to the software owner...

14 Dec 2012 03:31 PM
FTGodWin     

Jim_Callahan: Um, most of the affected apps are giving location info to advertisers, so that they can throw ads at you that are location-specific or related to your lifestyle. Going up to you and saying something is pretty much the entire point.

As far as banning tracking the location of a stolen device, that's not really how US property law works. Stolen property still belongs to the pre-theft owner, no matter how many times it's subsequently resold. And a tracking app of that kind is generally accessed through the primary account (i.e. it tends to be a service provider service) you wouldn't be sharing info with other users, just the primary user of the account. Basically I don't think that this would be a problem.


I just love the games that run on my Acer tablet whether I'm playing them or not, constantly looking for any info to transfer back to the mothership.

Yep, they're "free" all right. I often think of how much I could do on the damn thing, but I'll never enter a single bit of meaningful data into a Google spy device.

14 Dec 2012 03:31 PM
Jim_Callahan     

dready zim: It isn`t possible to write an app that can make sure people you want can have your location data etc but not the entire freakin world.

It just can`t be done. Impossible. We need to ban every app that has this capability. In fact what we need is to ban GPS on a phone altogether.

/stop saving me from myself. Myself wants me to enjoy my life...


Sigh.

S.1223, section b:
`(1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (2), a covered entity may not knowingly collect, receive, record, obtain, or disclose to a nongovernmental individual or entity the geolocation information from an electronic communications device without the express authorization of the individual that is using the electronic communications device.
`(2) EXCEPTIONS- A covered entity may knowingly collect, receive, record, obtain, or disclose to a nongovernmental individual or entity the geolocation information from an electronic communication device without the express authorization of the individual that is using the electronic communications device if the covered entity has a good faith belief that the collection, receipt, recording, obtaining, or disclosure is--
`(A) necessary to locate a minor child or provide fire, medical, public safety, or other emergency services;
`(B) for the sole purpose of transmitting the geolocation information to the individual or another authorized recipient, including another third party authorized under this subparagraph; or
`(C) expressly required by statute, regulation, or appropriate judicial process.


Christ, people. You can still sign up for foursquare or google latitude, and you can still use a locator app on your own phone.

This... is not hard to look up, guys. You're already on the damned internet, typing the name of the act into Google is, what, 15 seconds of your time, even on a smartphone? You don't have to wait 4 hours for someone to do it for you while you make uninformed conspiracy theory comments.

14 Dec 2012 03:38 PM
Polyhazard     

Jim_Callahan: dready zim: It isn`t possible to write an app that can make sure people you want can have your location data etc but not the entire freakin world.

It just can`t be done. Impossible. We need to ban every app that has this capability. In fact what we need is to ban GPS on a phone altogether.

/stop saving me from myself. Myself wants me to enjoy my life...

Sigh.

S.1223, section b:
`(1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (2), a covered entity may not knowingly collect, receive, record, obtain, or disclose to a nongovernmental individual or entity the geolocation information from an electronic communications device without the express authorization of the individual that is using the electronic communications device.
`(2) EXCEPTIONS- A covered entity may knowingly collect, receive, record, obtain, or disclose to a nongovernmental individual or entity the geolocation information from an electronic communication device without the express authorization of the individual that is using the electronic communications device if the covered entity has a good faith belief that the collection, receipt, recording, obtaining, or disclosure is--
`(A) necessary to locate a minor child or provide fire, medical, public safety, or other emergency services;
`(B) for the sole purpose of transmitting the geolocation information to the individual or another authorized recipient, including another third party authorized under this subparagraph; or
`(C) expressly required by statute, regulation, or appropriate judicial process.

Christ, people. You can still sign up for foursquare or google latitude, and you can still use a locator app on your own phone.

This... is not hard to look up, guys. You're already on the damned internet, typing the name of the act into Google is, what, 15 seconds of your time, even on a smartphone? You don't have to wait 4 hours for someone to do it for you while you make uninformed conspiracy theory comments.


This. There is a world of difference between Foursquare and what this law is written to prevent.

Not to say it couldn't have unintended consequences, but most of the comments in this thread are not relevant to the actual proposal.

14 Dec 2012 03:42 PM
elchupacabra     
I've got a fairly sizeable Facebook list -- not bragging, as it's more due to my hobbies bringing me into contact with people than any charm, looks, or money skills.

Still, of my contacts list... I'm pretty much disappointed that some aren't stalking me.

14 Dec 2012 03:43 PM
Warlordtrooper     
Parents wishing to monitor their children's phones would be exempt.

"I believe that Americans have the fundamental right to control who can track their location, and whether or not that information can be given to third parties,"


These two statements contradict each other.

14 Dec 2012 04:20 PM
Nem Wan     
But prepare to accept government putting GPS on your vehicle to tax your mileage and whatever else they want to use it for, citizen.

14 Dec 2012 05:57 PM
ProfessorOhki     

Diogenes: SnarfVader: Not good. A broad interpretation of "phone owner" or "phone user" could potentially ban services that locate a phone after it has been stolen.

Or locating kids, the elderly, or other missing persons.


Parents wishing to monitor their children's phones would be exempt.

Because if there's one thing moron lawmakers are reliable for, it's WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!

14 Dec 2012 06:17 PM
Jon iz teh kewl     
aww camera shy!

snapshot from progressive

14 Dec 2012 06:32 PM
4tehsnowflakes    [TotalFark]  

Diogenes: topcon: Spokeo, which can publish all sorts of information about you without your consent. Much of it incorrect.


This summer Spokeo got whacked with an $800,000 fine by the FTC (federal agency that enforces consumer protection laws and other things) for violating FCRA and the FTC Act.

(would you like to know more, citizen?)

A fed law FCRA allows companies to disclose credit and financial data for certain purposes, with certain safeguards. Spokeo violated FCRA by giving out credit history information without the required step of making its employer customers pinky-swear that they would not use the data for any improper purpose; and by giving out data to other customers without making them promise not to use it the wrong way.

Also, Spokeo got its employees to attempt a viral marketing campaign in social media without disclosing that they were Spokeo employees. FTC believes this is false advertising.

//my Iphone is spying on me, obviously

14 Dec 2012 07:33 PM
Suckmaster Burstingfoam     

Mega Steve: 'Just go up and say something apps' recommended

Thanks for the advice, subby, but that doesn't work either.

I went up to Christina Hendricks, introduced myself, and told her " I love you, and I'd kill anyone for you. ANYONE." All it got me was a restraining order


You probably said it in a creepy way. Next time try to say it more friendly like.

14 Dec 2012 10:32 PM
Gawdzila     

SnarfVader: Not good. A broad interpretation of "phone owner" or "phone user" could potentially ban services that locate a phone after it has been stolen.


Diogenes: Or locating kids, the elderly, or other missing persons.


The actual text of the law wouldn't preclude those things.

15 Dec 2012 12:46 AM
BolshyGreatYarblocks     
How about an app which tasers the user if they speak to anyone in a biatchy tone of voice? That should encourage the US use of the "walk up and say something" app.

Feel free to upload Tourette Cartman pic.

15 Dec 2012 12:31 PM
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