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   Maryland lawmaker proposes to fine companies and cities that issue bogus speed camera fines

15 Dec 2012 12:39 PM   |   3702 clicks   |   Land Line
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scottydoesntknow    [TotalFark]  
www.operatorchan.org

15 Dec 2012 11:41 AM
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Dead for Tax Reasons     
Bogus speed camera fines? So all of them then

15 Dec 2012 12:39 PM
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wambu     
Just grandstanding demagoguery from a politician.

15 Dec 2012 12:41 PM
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Thisbymaster     
The state wins no matter what, sounds like something that would pass.

15 Dec 2012 12:42 PM
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meyerkev    [TotalFark]  
Huzzah.

/Banned in my old state.
//$500/pop in my new state

15 Dec 2012 12:42 PM
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mcsmiley     
Half of the fine should go to the person who got the ticket in the first place for being inconvenienced.

15 Dec 2012 12:44 PM
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ComicBookGuy     
No Hero tag?

15 Dec 2012 12:45 PM
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grimlock1972     
works for me.

15 Dec 2012 12:47 PM
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Tanthalas39     
So it's merely proposed? Seems that there should already be a law in place. Say, fraud.

15 Dec 2012 12:53 PM
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fustanella     

mcsmiley: Half of the fine should go to the person who got the ticket in the first place for being inconvenienced.


Now we're talking.

15 Dec 2012 12:54 PM
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lordjupiter     
Well how about it, assholes who defended these cameras and tickets in the previous thread? Still think everyone who gets a ticket only has themselves to blame?

15 Dec 2012 12:55 PM
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Fark Rye For Many Whores     

15 Dec 2012 12:58 PM
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grinding_journalist    [TotalFark]  

fustanella: mcsmiley: Half of the fine should go to the person who got the ticket in the first place for being inconvenienced.

Now we're talking.


+1.

However, the cynical (or realistic) side of me says, Yep, it'll be "hoped" that the legislature takes up this bill until the speed camera company offers a $50,000 "campaign contribution" to this particular rep.

What I'd adore is if he took the cash and STILL pushed the bill. Granted, he'd be throwing his political career on the sacrificial altar of principle, but it would be awesome and heartening.

/would like to see more politicos sacrifice their careers on the altar of principle
//would like to see just one, actually

15 Dec 2012 12:58 PM
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upndn     
This will go nowhere.

15 Dec 2012 12:59 PM
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Britney Spear's Speculum     
Speed cameras should be banned outright. Especially in states with snow.

15 Dec 2012 01:05 PM
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Brick-House     
Where's the Hero Tag?

My daughter in law got a red light camera ticket while driving my car. She turned right on a red that triggered the camera.

Some company sent me a notice that looked like something that would,come from the court asking me to identify the driver. They wanted me provide her name, address, phone, and even her DL and SS number. So I guess I needed to rummage around her purse. Since they weren't offering a reward, I trashed the notice.

Assholes are as bad as scam artists.

I threw themda

15 Dec 2012 01:07 PM
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Honest Bender    [TotalFark]  
Is a speeding ticket considered a type of police report? Because then you'd have the issuer on the hook for filing a false report. Otherwise, like someone up-thread suggested, it's fraud.

I'm sick of legislators constantly writing more laws against things that are already against the law. How about you get out there and enforce the laws we already have!

15 Dec 2012 01:11 PM
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CruJones     
I don't think Texas allows speed cameras, so we got that going for us. I think there are a few red light cameras in San Antonio, but none anywhere near where I live, so they don't actually effect me. I still disagree with them in principle, and effectiveness however.

15 Dec 2012 01:14 PM
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Britney Spear's Speculum     
It makes no sense, in California the company tickets the car, not the driver. Traffic tickets are to be issued to the driver, not the car owner. If someone driving your car commits a traffic violation and a cop catches you, the driver is ticketed. Now if the car is illegally parked it gets towed, that's the owner's fault, however, that is not a moving violation.

So essentially the state is allowing 3rd parties to assess traffic violations against the car owner. Not to mention the "studies" performed by the companies that lawmakers cite to justify the cameras are paid for by the camera companies.

If you support traffic cameras, you support fascism.

15 Dec 2012 01:16 PM
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Hector Remarkable     
Shouldn't this be the ironic tag?

15 Dec 2012 01:24 PM
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OtherLittleGuy    [TotalFark]  
Nope. Won't happen. LEOs and the camera businesses will squash it.

/because, safety

15 Dec 2012 01:27 PM
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cptjeff    [TotalFark]  

Honest Bender: I'm sick of legislators constantly writing more laws against things that are already against the law. How about you get out there and enforce the laws we already have!


You realize that's not how laws work, right? The vast majority of bills, including stuff like this, edit existing statutes, they don't add new ones. The actual language is probably adds a line or two to the provisions in the Maryland Code authorizing traffic cameras- something along the lines of, "if false reports are issued by the camera, for each offense, a fine not exceeding $10,000 but not less than 10 times the value of the ticket shall be imposed upon the authorizing government by the State of Maryland, to be paid into the general fund".

The trouble with relying on general fraud statutes or whatever is that you have to get a court to recognize a private right of action for the use of that statute in that context, you have to get a court to admit it applies, so on and so forth. Adding an explicit requirement targeted against a specific behavior makes it much, much more likely that that behavior will actually be addressed.

15 Dec 2012 01:38 PM
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kokomo61    [TotalFark]  
I'm not getting a kick out of this....I just got tagged for a speed camera violation in DC. Late at night, no traffic, 4-lane, limited access street......(e.g., no intersections or even sidewalks in the area). Saw the flash, looked down at my speedometer...which said just under 30MPH. There was a guy in front of me, so I didn't think anything of it....until I got the notice - $100. Said I was going 36MPH. Sucks.

15 Dec 2012 01:51 PM
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Hot Carl To Go     

kokomo61: I'm not getting a kick out of this....I just got tagged for a speed camera violation in DC. Late at night, no traffic, 4-lane, limited access street......(e.g., no intersections or even sidewalks in the area). Saw the flash, looked down at my speedometer...which said just under 30MPH. There was a guy in front of me, so I didn't think anything of it....until I got the notice - $100. Said I was going 36MPH. Sucks.


I'm torn between my hatred for cameras and people who drive below 30 mph :D

15 Dec 2012 02:00 PM
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gibbon1     

mcsmiley: Half of the fine should go to the person who got the ticket in the first place for being inconvenienced.


I'd say all of it. If the traffic court denies, then it can be appealed. Win on appeal and you $10,000 each. Fail that, appeal to superior court, win that you it's $100,000. Seriously my long time comment is that piddly fines should be collected and then returned to the public. File your taxes, get a refund and your share of the fines collected. Meaning the state doesn't get to keep any of it.

15 Dec 2012 02:18 PM
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enry    [TotalFark]  

OtherLittleGuy: Nope. Won't happen. LEOs and the camera businesses will squash it.

/because, $afety


FTFY

15 Dec 2012 02:22 PM
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occamswrist     
How is the city going to pay the fine, again?

15 Dec 2012 02:40 PM
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snocone    [TotalFark]  
No no no.
If a maniacal machine falsely accuses a human, put it to death!
Only way to domesticate machines.

15 Dec 2012 02:42 PM
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NephilimNexus     
I applaud the effort of this lawmaker and, should he succeed in his endeavor to end bogus speed camera tickets, then my condolences to his family for when they find his body in gutter with seventeen bulletholes in it and the cops rule it a suicide.

15 Dec 2012 02:42 PM
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AndreMA     

kokomo61: I'm not getting a kick out of this....I just got tagged for a speed camera violation in DC. Late at night, no traffic, 4-lane, limited access street......(e.g., no intersections or even sidewalks in the area). Saw the flash, looked down at my speedometer...which said just under 30MPH. There was a guy in front of me, so I didn't think anything of it....until I got the notice - $100. Said I was going 36MPH. Sucks.


Sue the company and demand that the camera be impounded for inspection by a court-approved third party lab.

/good luck

15 Dec 2012 02:45 PM
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JosephFinn     

Brick-House: Where's the Hero Tag?

My daughter in law got a red light camera ticket while driving my car. She turned right on a red that triggered the camera.

Some company sent me a notice that looked like something that would,come from the court asking me to identify the driver. They wanted me provide her name, address, phone, and even her DL and SS number. So I guess I needed to rummage around her purse. Since they weren't offering a reward, I trashed the notice.

Assholes are as bad as scam artists.

I threw themda


And then you paid the penalty after you missed paying for the ticket on your car, I assume.

15 Dec 2012 02:46 PM
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HammerHeadSnark     
Die, Red-Light camera scum!

www.seattlecaraccidentlawyerblog.com

camerafraud.files.wordpress.com

THERE! Are you dead yet?

/Totally hot 'n smokin'.

15 Dec 2012 03:15 PM
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StoPPeRmobile     
You cant stop Skynet.

15 Dec 2012 05:08 PM
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BMFPitt     
No Hero tag?

15 Dec 2012 06:58 PM
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fugeeface     
Golfclap

15 Dec 2012 07:14 PM
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