They really didn't think this thing through at all. Very, very bad idea. Someone should get fired for that.

I am a gun owner and I support new legislation and common-sense measures to restrict/ban hi-cap mags, certain types of weapons and more enforcement of current laws on the books. This is NOT helping!

Whomever thought that was a good idea should be unemployed.

Newspapers do this sort of thing every five or six years.  Then somebody publishes the names, addresses, phone numbers, license plate numbers, and schools of the kids of all the reporters and editors and they all have to jump through hoops to get phone numbers changed, and if I recall last time I read about this foolishness one of the reporters moved because she was tired of getting rotten fish guts on her porch.

"How about a map of the editorial staff and publishers of Gannett and Journal News with names and addresses of their families...,"

Please do.

doglover: "How about a map of the editorial staff and publishers of Gannett and Journal News with names and addresses of their families...,"

Please do.

The publisher, the publisher's home alarm security code, the publisher's favorite nine-martini-lunch restaurant, the publisher's country club tee times and the dates he tells his family he's going to a men's fellowship meeting but really goes to Dita's Dungeon to be tied up with extension cords and repeatedly violated with a bottle of Pert by a shaved midget albino.

NewportBarGuy: They really didn't think this thing through at all. Very, very bad idea. Someone should get fired for that.

I am a gun owner and I support new legislation and common-sense measures to restrict/ban hi-cap mags, certain types of weapons and more enforcement of current laws on the books. This is NOT helping!

Whomever thought that was a good idea should be unemployed.

Do something about the laws that allow the info to be pubic record. The hand-wringing is a bit boring. Noones going to lose their job over this.

Someone's going to publish it eventually. Whether it's a paper or a gun control blogger.

I could see this backfiring.

Generation_D: I could see this backfiring.

Case an address, doublecheck the list. Not on the gun owners' registry? Easy pickins for a home invasion. They won't shoot back.

Pfaw, public records. I could've gotten the same information if I go to the local town halls.

I live in a somewhat rural area, where you assume that every house has at least one gun.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: goes to Dita's Dungeon to be tied up with extension cords and repeatedly violated with a bottle of Pert by a shaved midget albino.

Go on...

catusr: I live in a somewhat rural area, where you assume that every house has at least one gun.

Yah, out in the country pretty much everyone has at least one gun. We don't have to register them either.

God, but zealots do some thoroughly brain dead stuff. I mean, that's Westboro Baptist crazy.

I hope those assholes lose every gun owners subscription, as well as those who don't own guns but still have common sense. Advertisers should be dropping them right and left too.

Fire the editor and whatever writers were involved with this.

RexTalionis: Pfaw, public records. I could've gotten the same information if I go to the local town halls.

sure.
just like you can go to a court house and find the names of everyone on trial and the charges against them - you can publish that too.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: doglover: "How about a map of the editorial staff and publishers of Gannett and Journal News with names and addresses of their families...,"

Please do.

The publisher, the publisher's home alarm security code, the publisher's favorite nine-martini-lunch restaurant, the publisher's country club tee times and the dates he tells his family he's going to a men's fellowship meeting but really goes to Dita's Dungeon to be tied up with extension cords and repeatedly violated with a bottle of Pert by a shaved midget albino.

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Dita's Dungeon has it all...

Oh, my. Judging from the comments, we have a quite a number of revolutionaries on our hands here.

tenpoundsofcheese: RexTalionis: Pfaw, public records. I could've gotten the same information if I go to the local town halls.

sure.
just like you can go to a court house and find the names of everyone on trial and the charges against them - you can publish that too.

I don't get your point. 1) That's false, not all names are released (for instance, minors), and 2) so what? Isn't that what newspapers do?

I am under no delusion that I have an expectation of privacy in my public records.

I'm familiar with a smal part of the area in question and can emphatically state that this list is incomplete both in not listing all pistol permit holders and in totally omitting unregistered guns. Doesn't excuse the idiocy of the decision to publish this information for general consumption, but anyone who thinks they're guaranteed a selection of easy targets based on unlisted homes might well be on the receiving end of some small-caliber hilarity.

isn't it generally known when you apply that it will be publically available? pretty sure i knew that when i got my permit in MA.

doglover: Generation_D: I could see this backfiring.

Case an address, doublecheck the list. Not on the gun owners' registry? Easy pickins for a home invasion. They won't shoot back.

That makes no sense, no one's going to shoot anyone when there's no one there.

I would think that the reason people are pissed off is because thieves are going to be targeting gun owner's houses to steal their guns.

doglover: Generation_D: I could see this backfiring.

Case an address, doublecheck the list. Not on the gun owners' registry? Easy pickins for a home invasion. They won't shoot back.

Or, I can pick an address that *is* listed, wait until no one is home, and then walk out with some firearms that will sell very nicely on the black market.

The vast majority of burglars operate when the home is vacant, something your vaunted guns will do nothing to protect against.

Follow up article:

Mass shooting at The Journal News offices by disgruntled gun owner.

RexTalionis: tenpoundsofcheese: RexTalionis: Pfaw, public records. I could've gotten the same information if I go to the local town halls.

sure.
just like you can go to a court house and find the names of everyone on trial and the charges against them - you can publish that too.

I don't get your point. 1) That's false, not all names are released (for instance, minors), and 2) so what? Isn't that what newspapers do?

I am under no delusion that I have an expectation of privacy in my public records.

The point is ease of access.
I doubt that newspapers publish the list of every adult who is charged with a crime and the details of that crime.
Much less do they create a nice interactive tool that, I don't know, people who are hiring people could look at in their free time
(although of course they would never make a decision based on what they read)

Are the resumes and job applications of people who apply for federal jobs considered public information?  If so, is there a searchable database for all that info?

tlchwi02: isn't it generally known when you apply that it will be publically available? pretty sure i knew that when i got my permit in MA.

Available for someone to discover, perhaps; but published is another thing.

doglover: Generation_D: I could see this backfiring.

Case an address, doublecheck the list. Not on the gun owners' registry? Easy pickins for a home invasion. They won't shoot back.

That's not how crime works.

Put me on the map. But not my pussy ass hippy neighbors.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: doglover: "How about a map of the editorial staff and publishers of Gannett and Journal News with names and addresses of their families...,"

Please do.

The publisher, the publisher's home alarm security code, the publisher's favorite nine-martini-lunch restaurant, the publisher's country club tee times and the dates he tells his family he's going to a men's fellowship meeting but really goes to Dita's Dungeon to be tied up with extension cords and repeatedly violated with a bottle of Pert by a shaved midget albino.

THAT IS A SCURRILOUS LIE!!!!!! The albino was not shaved.

Spanky McStupid: Available for someone to discover, perhaps; but published is another thing.

seems like semantics at that point. I guess its annoying that a newspaper published it, but if anyone who was interested could obtain the information anyway i don't get the outrage. oh no, public information is available to the public!

The people that should be pissed are the ones that DON'T own guns. Now everone knows that they have to legal way to defend themselves. This is just plain batshiat crazy.

How about a list of illegal gun owners.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

snuff3r: Noones going to lose their job over this.

But Noone didn't have anything to do with this. Noone has been doing a great job since he joined the paper.

What, don't all you tough-guy six-shootin' cowboys want everyone to know how big and bad you are with your big bad guns? Pussies. Learn to fist-fight, like a real man.

snuff3r: NewportBarGuy: They really didn't think this thing through at all. Very, very bad idea. Someone should get fired for that.

I am a gun owner and I support new legislation and common-sense measures to restrict/ban hi-cap mags, certain types of weapons and more enforcement of current laws on the books. This is NOT helping!

Whomever thought that was a good idea should be unemployed.

Do something about the laws that allow the info to be pubic record. The hand-wringing is a bit boring. Noones going to lose their job over this.

Someone's going to publish it eventually. Whether it's a paper or a gun control blogger.

No one is two words... Unless of course you are saying nooooneees, which is how I read that.

FTA: "How about a map of the editorial staff and publishers of Gannett and Journal News with names and addresses of their families...," wrote commenter George Thompson.

Seems fair to me.

There's an idea. Treat gun owners like registered pedophiles, and then wonder why they have such a persecution complex.

So you publish folks who, like myself, have handgun permits. Keep in mind that some states require no such permit for shotguns and rifles.

The ONLY thing that can stop a bad guy with a newspaper is a good guy with a newspaper.

Step 1)Have a break in staged Step 2) hide gun Step 3) sue paper

Profit!

I have been thinking during other recent gun threads that this would be a good idea, for all guns. As things stand, you only need a permit if you're a serious gun nerd, or a SoF rambo. This kind of map is perfect for parents who don't want to buy a house near someone who is likely to send a stray round through the wall.

Why would a pro-gun person be ashamed of their guns?

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: What, don't all you tough-guy six-shootin' cowboys want everyone to know how big and bad you are with your big bad guns? Pussies. Learn to fist-fight, like a real man.

Real world doesn't work that way, also just because you have a gun permit doesn't mean you have a conceal/carry permit which means they can be stolen once people know you are not home.

Public records are public! Oh the horror!

ParaHandy: This kind of map is perfect for parents who don't want to buy a house near someone who is likely to send a stray round through the wall.

Most parents don't share your paralyzing fear of firearms. Seek help.

tlchwi02: seems like semantics at that point. I guess its annoying that a newspaper published it, but if anyone who was interested could obtain the information anyway i don't get the outrage. oh no, public information is available to the public!

Not at all. I've never known of a burglar who bothered to go downtown to check public records for information like this. But despite what many probably believe, many see the local section of the newspaper. If for no other reason than to see which of their buddies was recently arrested.
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I can't speak for others, but I know I don't worry about my house getting broken into when I'm home. I'm worried about my house getting broken into when I'm not home.

tylerdurden217: snuff3r: NewportBarGuy: They really didn't think this thing through at all. Very, very bad idea. Someone should get fired for that.

I am a gun owner and I support new legislation and common-sense measures to restrict/ban hi-cap mags, certain types of weapons and more enforcement of current laws on the books. This is NOT helping!

Whomever thought that was a good idea should be unemployed.

Do something about the laws that allow the info to be pubic record. The hand-wringing is a bit boring. Noones going to lose their job over this.

Someone's going to publish it eventually. Whether it's a paper or a gun control blogger.

No one is two words... Unless of course you are saying nooooneees, which is how I read that.

ParaHandy: I have been thinking during other recent gun threads that this would be a good idea, for all guns. As things stand, you only need a permit if you're a serious gun nerd, or a SoF rambo. This kind of map is perfect for parents who don't want to buy a house near someone who is likely to send a stray round through the wall.

Why would a pro-gun person be ashamed of their guns?

Exactly! It's stories like this that made the wife and I decide against moving into a golf course neighborhood.

/Never know when one of those serious golfers will go nuts

coco ebert: Oh, my. Judging from the comments, we have a quite a number of revolutionaries on our hands here.

What purpose does this serve? I've tried to find a positive aspect and found none. They want to create a visual to get across the point of how many guns are out there? Fine, just stick with the numbers. I honestly see no need to list the names and addresses of every pistol permit holder. I understand that this information is available under FOIA, but what possible purpose does it serve to collate it and put it out like that?

It's just going to piss people off more and that is not going to further the debate, nor will it help convince other gun owners to embrace new legislation or increased enforcement of current legislation.

If they want to collect the data, they should also pull all criminal records of those they are targeting and combine that with the data and find out how many people with pistol permits should a) not have been given them or b) who should have them taken away because of a crime after they got it. That? I'm fine with that.

Just putting it out there like they did? Not cool with that at all.

Why would you do that? I can see publishing names of child rapers and other sexual deviants, but posting who is armed and who isn't? You know someone is going to try to burgle one of those homes that has guns in it while the people are away.

Hamanu: doglover: Generation_D: I could see this backfiring.

Case an address, doublecheck the list. Not on the gun owners' registry? Easy pickins for a home invasion. They won't shoot back.

That makes no sense, no one's going to shoot anyone when there's no one there.

I would think that the reason people are pissed off is because thieves are going to be targeting gun owner's houses to steal their guns.

Whether you're a gun owner or not, you probably shouldn't think this is a good idea.

coco ebert: Oh, my. Judging from the comments, we have a quite a number of revolutionaries on our hands here.

I'd say they're more parlor pinks.  Anyone know why the GOP decided to take the color of the Revolution as its own?