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   Keiji Nakazawa, author of the anti-war/anti-nuke book Barefoot Gen, passes away at 73 years old

25 Dec 2012 12:08 PM   |   1673 clicks   |   Japan Times
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elffster     
Oh, thats sad.  IIRC Barefoot Gen was auto-biographical.

RIP dude, you earned it.

25 Dec 2012 09:57 AM
AverageAmericanGuy     
I always thought it was overwrought. They had clips on the news today of him giving a speech to school kids.

The gist of his speech was that you should never accept any reason to go to war. Peace is always preferable to war, because war is terrible.

I can understand how his experience may color his attitude, but this aversion to conflict is a huge problem in Japan and has led to the rise of societal elements that have figured out that you only need to act slightly intimidating because others will usually acquiesce. Some of this attitude may spring from Japan's aggressive expansion prior to WWII which led directly to its involvement in WWII (and similarly how America got entangled in Iraq). Rather than the military working to maintain a strong defensive posture, it became a tool for an expansionist empire. In this light, a healthy distrust of the military is necessary and good.

But there is a difference between being anti-war and being anti-'this war'. Nakazawa, and many other Japanese, make no such differentiation. I think it's wrong and leads to worse suffering at the hands of tyrants in the long run.

25 Dec 2012 10:15 AM
jake_lex    [TotalFark]  

AverageAmericanGuy: I always thought it was overwrought. They had clips on the news today of him giving a speech to school kids.

The gist of his speech was that you should never accept any reason to go to war. Peace is always preferable to war, because war is terrible.

I can understand how his experience may color his attitude, but this aversion to conflict is a huge problem in Japan and has led to the rise of societal elements that have figured out that you only need to act slightly intimidating because others will usually acquiesce. Some of this attitude may spring from Japan's aggressive expansion prior to WWII which led directly to its involvement in WWII (and similarly how America got entangled in Iraq). Rather than the military working to maintain a strong defensive posture, it became a tool for an expansionist empire. In this light, a healthy distrust of the military is necessary and good.

But there is a difference between being anti-war and being anti-'this war'. Nakazawa, and many other Japanese, make no such differentiation. I think it's wrong and leads to worse suffering at the hands of tyrants in the long run.


I think the thought of people like Nakazawa, though, is that Japan might not be able to handle the difference between the two.  It's sort of like an AA member who says that you can't drink socially because a glass of wine with dinner is going to end up in a three day bender that will put you back on the downward spiral.

I will not pretend that I know enough about Japan and its culture to know if this is a fair assessment, but given Japan's history, and what they have done this century (they certainly haven't gone as far to address and atone for this as Germany has), I can see the point.

25 Dec 2012 12:17 PM
Wasn't Looking at his Neck     
I'll put it this way: if Grave of the Fireflies was a pinch of salt in one eye, book 2 of Gen is a dust storm.

Saw the movie before getting to book 1.

25 Dec 2012 12:17 PM
meatofmystery     

Wasn't Looking at his Neck: I'll put it this way: if Grave of the Fireflies was a pinch of salt in one eye, book 2 of Gen is a dust storm.

Saw the movie before getting to book 1.


this.

There are things in Barefoot Gen that stick with you. Not just emotionally heart wrenching things, but just unfathomably HORRIFIC images.

25 Dec 2012 12:24 PM
Real Women Drink Akvavit    [TotalFark]  
I haven't read Barefoot Gen in YEARS. I'm going to have to dig it up online or see if my son still has it. My son is as "no, you may not borrow that comic, not yours" as I am  with all of my books on various Pagan and Heathen traditions, so even if he has it (I'm pretty sure I passed it on to him) I may still have to order it online.

I miss reading comics, truth be told. I might roll on up to a comic shop and see what they have out nowadays, pick a few things up to read. Almost everything I have now is reference of the religious variety or books on black metal and death metal. A few comics here and there would help lighten me up a bit, I think.

25 Dec 2012 12:27 PM
strapp3r     
tri-fecta complete?

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/he IS smiling

25 Dec 2012 12:51 PM
Fark Rye For Many Whores     
died of lung cancer at a hospital in the city, sources said Tuesday. He was 73.

73?! Can you believe all these hippies, afraid of a little radiation. Even the lung cancer takes 67 years to kill you. And look at all the extra heads and arms and giant lizards it's given us.

25 Dec 2012 12:52 PM
Real Women Drink Akvavit    [TotalFark]  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: died of lung cancer at a hospital in the city, sources said Tuesday. He was 73.

73?! Can you believe all these hippies, afraid of a little radiation. Even the lung cancer takes 67 years to kill you. And look at all the extra heads and arms and giant lizards it's given us.


I want a giant lizard! I'd ride it around Sacramento alllll day long! I'd get it a fancy saddle and see if the horseback cops down on the K Street mall would let us ride with them. It would be so cool!

25 Dec 2012 12:57 PM
Boxingoutsider     
My dad was a big part of the anti nuke movement so I saw these comics at his office when I was a kid. I remember them being heartwrenching and graphic. I re ordered them recently and they broke my heart again. Some of the themes resonate today like his dad having his patriotism questioned for not blindly following the war rhetoric.

Great comic. Kind of the evil version of tintin. Great writing and drawing and mature themes.

25 Dec 2012 01:09 PM
PanicMan     
So it goes.
/wrong anti-war author.

25 Dec 2012 01:13 PM
utharda    [TotalFark]  
Good night brave prince.

Maybe we'll get there.  Otherwise I think the bees will take over.

25 Dec 2012 01:19 PM
DaintySavage     
You can't hug your children with nuclear arms

25 Dec 2012 01:24 PM
White_Scarf_Syndrome     
-arms up....

KEIJI NAKAZAWA!!!

BANZAIIII!!!
BANZAAAIII!!
BANZAAAIII!!!

I do believe the whole series is available now, at least in that Last Gasp US publication.

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25 Dec 2012 01:44 PM
TV's Vinnie     
Moral of story: DON'T BOMB PEARL HARBOR AND YOU WON'T GET NUKED!

Seriously, after reading about "Unit 731" and what they did (and what they had planned, such as balloon-carried payloads of plague fleas), it made me wish we had enough plute on hand for a dozen A bombs. They did stuff that even the Waffen SS would have winced at.

25 Dec 2012 01:54 PM
WizardofToast     

TV's Vinnie: Moral of story: DON'T BOMB PEARL HARBOR AND YOU WON'T GET NUKED!

Seriously, after reading about "Unit 731" and what they did (and what they had planned, such as balloon-carried payloads of plague fleas), it made me wish we had enough plute on hand for a dozen A bombs. They did stuff that even the Waffen SS would have winced at.


While what the Japanese government did was terrible, I dunno how that justifies doing what we did to a city of civilians who may not have even known that stuff.

25 Dec 2012 02:09 PM
TV's Vinnie     

WizardofToast: While what the Japanese government did was terrible, I dunno how that justifies doing what we did to a city of civilians who may not have even known that stuff.


We simply got them before they got us (and believe me, they were very much in the process of getting at us. Not with nukes, but unleashing the Black Death across the US would have been bad enough. Possibly even more inhuman than a nuke strike).

25 Dec 2012 02:22 PM
White_Scarf_Syndrome     

TV's Vinnie: WizardofToast: While what the Japanese government did was terrible, I dunno how that justifies doing what we did to a city of civilians who may not have even known that stuff.

We simply got them before they got us (and believe me, they were very much in the process of getting at us. Not with nukes, but unleashing the Black Death across the US would have been bad enough. Possibly even more inhuman than a nuke strike).


Okaaay.,.heeeeere we go!

I do believe the Russians were very close in closing in from the West.

I do not now how long or with what forces, I will admit.

25 Dec 2012 02:25 PM
thisiszombocom     
of course youre anti nuke you little rice eater, you lost. join the winning team and youd be pronuke.

U-S-A!
U-S-A!
U-S-A!
U-S-A!

25 Dec 2012 02:29 PM
meatofmystery     

TV's Vinnie: Moral of story: DON'T BOMB PEARL HARBOR AND YOU WON'T GET NUKED!

Seriously, after reading about "Unit 731" and what they did (and what they had planned, such as balloon-carried payloads of plague fleas), it made me wish we had enough plute on hand for a dozen A bombs. They did stuff that even the Waffen SS would have winced at.


Not every citizen was pro war, pro Nazi, anti American, etc you jackass.

25 Dec 2012 02:31 PM
teto85    [TotalFark]  
Just finished Vol. 10 of the manga last week.  He finally grows up and goes to Tokyo to become an artist.  It's a pretty good story.

25 Dec 2012 02:36 PM
Korzine     

White_Scarf_Syndrome: TV's Vinnie: WizardofToast: While what the Japanese government did was terrible, I dunno how that justifies doing what we did to a city of civilians who may not have even known that stuff.

We simply got them before they got us (and believe me, they were very much in the process of getting at us. Not with nukes, but unleashing the Black Death across the US would have been bad enough. Possibly even more inhuman than a nuke strike).

Okaaay.,.heeeeere we go!

I do believe the Russians were very close in closing in from the West.

I do not now how long or with what forces, I will admit.


How so? The Soviet Union attacked the nation of Japan in August of 1945 during Operation August Storm. Because Japan had not expected an attack from the Soviets before 1946 (not realizing the Soviet Union had been moving tanks east long before the victory in Europe) they left very little resistance. In short terms the Soviet Union managed to conquer Manchuria, half of Korea (had to stop because they were out running their supply lines, giving us troops time to move into the south), the southern region of Sakhalin, and the Kuril Islands scoring nearly 10 to 1 kill ratios (some of the worst suffered by Japan during the entire war I believe). They were moving troops to invade Hokkaido when the war ended. The Soviets kept all Japanese territory they conquered.

Sakhalin saw the same reaction to foreign invaders as was witnessed in Okinawa. Including the tendency of families to commit suicide (fear of what the invaders would do to them from Japanese propaganda) rather than be conquered by foreigners. Soldiers would hand out grenades to civilian families so they could huddle around them and pull the pin.

Had the war continued Hokkaido could very well be Russian territory like the Kurils and the southern end of Sakhalin.

Considering what happened in places like Sakhalin, Saipan (Marpi Point), and Hokkaido, the nuclear bombs were probably the most humane (being the least amount of lost lives) way to end the war.

Probably NSFW Marpi Point from History Channel

25 Dec 2012 02:52 PM
Free Radical     

TV's Vinnie: Moral of story: DON'T BOMB PEARL HARBOR AND YOU WON'T GET NUKED!

Seriously, after reading about "Unit 731" and what they did (and what they had planned, such as balloon-carried payloads of plague fleas), it made me wish we had enough plute on hand for a dozen A bombs. They did stuff that even the Waffen SS would have winced at.


So of course the only right thing to do is to hit them with a nuke.

You are a jackass.

25 Dec 2012 03:10 PM
TV's Vinnie     

Free Radical: TV's Vinnie: Moral of story: DON'T BOMB PEARL HARBOR AND YOU WON'T GET NUKED!

Seriously, after reading about "Unit 731" and what they did (and what they had planned, such as balloon-carried payloads of plague fleas), it made me wish we had enough plute on hand for a dozen A bombs. They did stuff that even the Waffen SS would have winced at.

So of course the only right thing to do is to hit them with a nuke.

You are a jackass.


Dude. Deed's been done. Nothing you can do about it.

25 Dec 2012 03:20 PM
TV's Vinnie     

meatofmystery: TV's Vinnie: Moral of story: DON'T BOMB PEARL HARBOR AND YOU WON'T GET NUKED!

Seriously, after reading about "Unit 731" and what they did (and what they had planned, such as balloon-carried payloads of plague fleas), it made me wish we had enough plute on hand for a dozen A bombs. They did stuff that even the Waffen SS would have winced at.

Not every citizen was pro war, pro Nazi, anti American, etc you jackass.


But apparently, enough of them were.

25 Dec 2012 03:21 PM
TV's Vinnie     
A quick little bit of local history lesson for you nuke-lheads:

During WWII, Japan had been carrying out experiments with balloon bombs. Using the jet stream air currents, these VERY cheap to make devices could travel a long distance.

One of them even traveled so far as dropping it's payload onto an Omaha, Nebraska neighborhood.

myweb.unomaha.eduView Full Size


WWII censorship prevented word from being leaked out which would have been helpful for Japan's research, because that device very well could have contained bioweapons (and chances were very high that the next wave of balloons would have). They weren't accurate, but with canisters of plague or cholera, you won't have to be.

So cry me a river if a couple of cities in Japan got nailed with an A bomb. War is Hell. Compared to the firebombings in Tokyo and Dresden, they got off lightly.

25 Dec 2012 03:28 PM
dervish16108     

Boxingoutsider: My dad was a big part of the anti nuke movement so I saw these comics at his office when I was a kid. I remember them being heartwrenching and graphic. I re ordered them recently and they broke my heart again. Some of the themes resonate today like his dad having his patriotism questioned for not blindly following the war rhetoric.

Great comic. Kind of the evil version of tintin. Great writing and drawing and mature themes.


I met some survivors of the Hiroshima bombings last year, and attended several of their lectures. One of them described the day of the bombings. Definitely heartwrenching.

Regardless of how horrible the Japanese government was during World War II, those kids and civilians did not deserve such horror.

25 Dec 2012 03:34 PM
teto85    [TotalFark]  

TV's Vinnie: A quick little bit of local history lesson for you nuke-lheads:

During WWII, Japan had been carrying out experiments with balloon bombs. Using the jet stream air currents, these VERY cheap to make devices could travel a long distance.

One of them even traveled so far as dropping it's payload onto an Omaha, Nebraska neighborhood.

[myweb.unomaha.edu image 528x396]

WWII censorship prevented word from being leaked out which would have been helpful for Japan's research, because that device very well could have contained bioweapons (and chances were very high that the next wave of balloons would have). They weren't accurate, but with canisters of plague or cholera, you won't have to be.

So cry me a river if a couple of cities in Japan got nailed with an A bomb. War is Hell. Compared to the firebombings in Tokyo and Dresden, they got off lightly.


The only victims of the balloon bombs were 6 members of a church picnic group in Oregon.  The minister survived.  His bride of one week, not so much.

25 Dec 2012 03:44 PM
Gergesa     

dervish16108: Boxingoutsider: My dad was a big part of the anti nuke movement so I saw these comics at his office when I was a kid. I remember them being heartwrenching and graphic. I re ordered them recently and they broke my heart again. Some of the themes resonate today like his dad having his patriotism questioned for not blindly following the war rhetoric.

Great comic. Kind of the evil version of tintin. Great writing and drawing and mature themes.

I met some survivors of the Hiroshima bombings last year, and attended several of their lectures. One of them described the day of the bombings. Definitely heartwrenching.

Regardless of how horrible the Japanese government was during World War II, those kids and civilians did not deserve such horror.


Although I don't have a statistical analysis handy I'd be willing to bet most people killed in war are going to be civilians. Does anyone happen to know what the ratio of soldier to civilian loss typically is?

25 Dec 2012 03:51 PM
TomD9938     

Free Radical: So of course the only right thing to do is to hit them with a nuke.


You'd have preferred they were fire-bombed like Tokyo or Dresden?

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Pearl Harbor aside, what they did in China alone incurred a huge karmic debt on Japan.

25 Dec 2012 03:53 PM
MO_humanist     

TV's Vinnie: Moral of story: DON'T BOMB PEARL HARBOR AND YOU WON'T GET NUKED!

Seriously, after reading about "Unit 731" and what they did (and what they had planned, such as balloon-carried payloads of plague fleas), it made me wish we had enough plute on hand for a dozen A bombs. They did stuff that even the Waffen SS would have winced at.


Did you know that Gen MacAurthur had the guy in charge of unit 731 PARDONED. Over the objection of the soviets I might add. (Many of his victims were russian)

Why? Because we wanted him to work on biological weapons for the good ole USA.

25 Dec 2012 03:59 PM
gibbon1     

meatofmystery: Not every citizen was pro war, pro Nazi, anti American, etc you jackass.


Not to mention that the Japanese knew that when the Americans came they were going to be slaughtered. And then the Americans came and it didn't happen.

25 Dec 2012 04:36 PM
Captain Steroid    [TotalFark]  
Man, that movie f**ked me up. O_O

25 Dec 2012 04:45 PM
superspeck     
CSB time. I got to meet the dude when he brought the film over for it's American debut at SMU sometime in the late 1980's. I was going to film school there so I got to watch movies for class. It was awesome!

Currently unemployed/
Could use a job//
Hungry and about to be homeless in a week///
College was a blast!////

25 Dec 2012 04:58 PM
SpeedyBB     

teto85: TV's Vinnie: A quick little bit of local history lesson for you nuke-lheads:

During WWII, Japan had been carrying out experiments with balloon bombs. Using the jet stream air currents, these VERY cheap to make devices could travel a long distance.

One of them even traveled so far as dropping it's payload onto an Omaha, Nebraska neighborhood.

[myweb.unomaha.edu image 528x396]

WWII censorship prevented word from being leaked out which would have been helpful for Japan's research, because that device very well could have contained bioweapons (and chances were very high that the next wave of balloons would have). They weren't accurate, but with canisters of plague or cholera, you won't have to be.

So cry me a river if a couple of cities in Japan got nailed with an A bomb. War is Hell. Compared to the firebombings in Tokyo and Dresden, they got off lightly.

The only victims of the balloon bombs were 6 members of a church picnic group in Oregon.  The minister survived.  His bride of one week, not so much.


One more tragic example of the dangers of church group picnics. Will they never learn?

(Insert montage of churches flattened by tornados, pastors electrocuted by microphones, belfries blasted by lightning, parishioner gunned down for pick-your-reason yadda2.)

25 Dec 2012 05:09 PM
GandalfTheWhite     
Barefoot Gen is a must-read.

Karmic debt for Japan? For the rape of Nanking? While that may be true, that's a narrow view of history. I would imagine our debt for the bombs (including the damage done during test & development) is unparalleled. That's not to say we could avoid getting in the nuclear arms race. It's just unfortunate. I'm not sure of any way to avoid taking on that responsibility.

RIP 中沢さん

25 Dec 2012 05:33 PM
Since1971     
The really scary part is that the alternative might have actually cost more lives: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation _Downfall

Everybody seems to forget that.

25 Dec 2012 06:18 PM
Ronin_S     

TV's Vinnie: Moral of story: DON'T BOMB PEARL HARBOR AND YOU WON'T GET NUKED!

Seriously, after reading about "Unit 731" and what they did (and what they had planned, such as balloon-carried payloads of plague fleas), it made me wish we had enough plute on hand for a dozen A bombs. They did stuff that even the Waffen SS would have winced at.


Even if the civilians knew what their government was up to, they were under military rule and there would have been nothing they could have done about it.

RIP Mr. Nakazawa (NSFS)

25 Dec 2012 06:20 PM
TV's Vinnie     

Ronin_S: TV's Vinnie: Moral of story: DON'T BOMB PEARL HARBOR AND YOU WON'T GET NUKED!

Seriously, after reading about "Unit 731" and what they did (and what they had planned, such as balloon-carried payloads of plague fleas), it made me wish we had enough plute on hand for a dozen A bombs. They did stuff that even the Waffen SS would have winced at.

Even if the civilians knew what their government was up to, they were under military rule and there would have been nothing they could have done about it.

RIP Mr. Nakazawa (NSFS)


Care to explain why to this very day, the people (not just the government, but the people themselves) refuse to even acknowledge any responsibility for WWII. Hell, the only reason they even admit that WWII ever even existed is just to whine about Hiroshima. Otherwise................

25 Dec 2012 06:40 PM
RoyFokker'sGhost     

TV's Vinnie: Moral of story: DON'T BOMB PEARL HARBOR AND YOU WON'T GET NUKED!

Seriously, after reading about "Unit 731" and what they did (and what they had planned, such as balloon-carried payloads of plague fleas), it made me wish we had enough plute on hand for a dozen A bombs. They did stuff that even the Waffen SS would have winced at.


And it was so horrible that the US gave most of the members of 731 a pass and new identities in America to jump start our own bioweapons programs.

No matter how evil a person or their act, all will be forgiven if a politician can benefit from using them.

25 Dec 2012 07:13 PM
Mouser     

TV's Vinnie: Moral of story: DON'T BOMB PEARL HARBOR AND YOU WON'T GET NUKED!

Seriously, after reading about "Unit 731" and what they did (and what they had planned, such as balloon-carried payloads of plague fleas), it made me wish we had enough plute on hand for a dozen A bombs. They did stuff that even the Waffen SS would have winced at.


The US told the Imperial Japanese government that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were only the start. Had they refused unconditional surrender, we were planning on building and dropping more nukes on Japanese cities until their population was decimated to the point where they could no longer fight back.

That's right--we were fully prepared to commit genocide against the Japanese if they didn't come around. That probably explains why they've been so anti-war since then.

25 Dec 2012 07:40 PM
TV's Vinnie     

Mouser: TV's Vinnie: Moral of story: DON'T BOMB PEARL HARBOR AND YOU WON'T GET NUKED!

Seriously, after reading about "Unit 731" and what they did (and what they had planned, such as balloon-carried payloads of plague fleas), it made me wish we had enough plute on hand for a dozen A bombs. They did stuff that even the Waffen SS would have winced at.

The US told the Imperial Japanese government that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were only the start. Had they refused unconditional surrender, we were planning on building and dropping more nukes on Japanese cities until their population was decimated to the point where they could no longer fight back.

That's right--we were fully prepared to commit genocide against the Japanese if they didn't come around. That probably explains why they've been so anti-war since then.


You sound......JimmieRustled.

25 Dec 2012 08:27 PM
Forbidden Doughnut     

TomD9938: Free Radical: So of course the only right thing to do is to hit them with a nuke.

You'd have preferred they were fire-bombed like Tokyo or Dresden?

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x267]

Pearl Harbor aside, what they did in China alone incurred a huge karmic debt on Japan.


True that.

On a lesser scale, the Koreans were treated rather awfully by the Japanese as well.

/ and you don't see Japanese cars on the roads over there
// at least I didn't see any in Worst Korea in the mid-90's...

25 Dec 2012 08:55 PM
ha-ha-guy     
Look in WWII everyone considered civilian populations fair game.

Germans with genocide attempts on some population groups, V1s and V2s fired as terror weapons at population centers. The Brits had a long history of using naval artillery to shell coastal cities filled with troublesome natives. Early on in WWII as they were on the defensive they didn't get to do as much, but later in the war the RAF took part in terror raids. The Russians considered their own civilian population expandable in the name of total victory, they also had no issue purging groups in areas they took control of. The Japanese of course considered all Chinese on the face of the earth expandable.

By the end of the war there was unease over terror tactics and the giant "fark you"s of Hiroshima and Nagasaki definitely accelerated that unease. That said the Japanese and their crying over "poor us, we were nuked" can go fark themselves. The first country that had a nuclear weapon working in that war was clearing going to use it. Stalin didn't have much in the way of strategic bombers, so had he been given one he would have had to strap it onto the back of a peasant conscript, but everyone else out there had plans for aerial strikes against opposing population centers. America just showed up with that stick first.

Actually one point to note is at the state of the war a lot of the Europeans fighting was done with a focus to avoid atrocities and deaths. Gentleman like behavior, the Germans behaving like well mannered Prussians (in Western Europe at least). The Japanese actually win the award for long term commitment to being vicious farkers, From their invasion of Korea through surrendering on the Missouri.

25 Dec 2012 09:04 PM
ha-ha-guy     

Forbidden Doughnut: // at least I didn't see any in Worst Korea in the mid-90's...


The younger generation is more over it, thanks in part to the rising of China. As one Korean told me "Yeah we have a wing of the library filled with books about how the Japanese were dicks, we have entire libraries about what dicks the Chinese are." The younger generations see themselves as not that different, Asian cultures with some Western aspects who both have serious concerns about China.

25 Dec 2012 09:07 PM
timharrod    [TotalFark]  
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Read it as a young adult, when I was still learning what could be done in the comics medium.

Indelible.

25 Dec 2012 11:27 PM
redsquid     
So the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a 'karmic debt' for the actions of the military industrial complex of Japan? Does that mean that September 11 was a karmic debt for the actions of the US military industrial complex? Can the 'bad karma' of evil men be atoned with the blood of innocent civilians while the guilty are pardoned?

25 Dec 2012 11:32 PM
swingbozo     
Why did we nuke Japan? Uhm, remember they weren't going to surrender and it'd have been a meat grinder the likes of which history has never seen if we tried to invade?

Cry me a river about nuking Japan. It saved more lives than it lost.

26 Dec 2012 12:03 AM
swingbozo     
Mouser:
The US told the Imperial Japanese government that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were only the start. Had they refused unconditional surrender, we were planning on building and dropping more nukes on Japanese cities until their population was decimated to the point where they could no longer fight back.

That's right--we were fully prepared to commit genocide against the Japanese if they didn't come around. That probably explains why they've been so anti-war since then.


Boo hoo. Do you know what a meat grinder it would have been to try to invade Japan? They started it. I don't feel so bad about them finally backing down. Oh, and review your history. Nagasaki wasn't about Japan, it was about Russia. We had to prove we had more than one of the damn things and unfortunately we proved it right on top of Japan proper. Nagasaki was a big FU to Russia. Sorry about the results there, Japan.

26 Dec 2012 12:13 AM
qualtrough     
So the Japs did horrible things and we did horrible things back, but the Japs did it first so it's OK that we did it? Got it, thanks!

26 Dec 2012 02:47 AM
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