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   Holy Fiscal Cliffitude, Batman. Lindsey Graham congratulated Obama on Fox News Sunday for getting a deal done. Is this the end of our long national nightmare? Will our taxes go up? What about Moose and Squirrel?

30 Dec 2012 02:01 PM   |   8668 clicks   |   Washington Post
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NewportBarGuy    [TotalFark]  
I'm racking my brain for the GOP votes they need. I think Graham is saying he'll vote for it, but that's still 50-50 based upon how they treated Dole's UN treaty. You can probably get Scott Brown, because he wants Kerry's seat. You can count on Snowe and Collins. Who else?

Who else is not batsh*t crazy? I honestly can't think of anymore votes. Saxby Chambliss said something a few weeks ago, but he got his peter stepped on. Can they actually get 60 votes? F*cking filibuster rule is retarded. Especially since they don't have the stones to actually make them filibuster the goddamn thing.

30 Dec 2012 11:15 AM
ZAZ    [TotalFark]  
I expect any deal to be worse than the "cliff".

30 Dec 2012 11:52 AM
kxs401    [TotalFark]  

NewportBarGuy: I'm racking my brain for the GOP votes they need. I think Graham is saying he'll vote for it, but that's still 50-50 based upon how they treated Dole's UN treaty. You can probably get Scott Brown, because he wants Kerry's seat. You can count on Snowe and Collins. Who else?

Who else is not batsh*t crazy? I honestly can't think of anymore votes. Saxby Chambliss said something a few weeks ago, but he got his peter stepped on. Can they actually get 60 votes? F*cking filibuster rule is retarded. Especially since they don't have the stones to actually make them filibuster the goddamn thing.


Yeah, but there may be Republicans who would neither vote for it nor filibuster it. That way it passes so they don't get blamed for not having a deal but they don't have the "yes" vote on their records.

30 Dec 2012 12:05 PM
PreMortem    [TotalFark]  
TFA does not include Graham congradulating Obama on a deal. I am disappoint in headline.

30 Dec 2012 12:07 PM
GAT_00     

NewportBarGuy: I'm racking my brain for the GOP votes they need. I think Graham is saying he'll vote for it, but that's still 50-50 based upon how they treated Dole's UN treaty. You can probably get Scott Brown, because he wants Kerry's seat. You can count on Snowe and Collins. Who else?

Who else is not batsh*t crazy? I honestly can't think of anymore votes. Saxby Chambliss said something a few weeks ago, but he got his peter stepped on. Can they actually get 60 votes? F*cking filibuster rule is retarded. Especially since they don't have the stones to actually make them filibuster the goddamn thing.


Graham says he thinks the bill needs 60% of the Senate GOP to back it to get a tenth of the House GOP to vote for it, assuming that all the Democrats vote for the deal.

Every single part of this is absurd and I think unlikely.

30 Dec 2012 12:27 PM
AirForceVet    [TotalFark]  
I'm not holding my breath on any deal.

I'll be in my fully-stocked bunker until the Cliff is over.

30 Dec 2012 01:04 PM
MacEnvy    [TotalFark]  

PreMortem: TFA does not include Graham congradulating Obama on a deal. I am disappoint in headline.


Or, you know, any actual indication that there's a deal.

30 Dec 2012 01:52 PM
lordjupiter     
this thread...how the fark does it work?

30 Dec 2012 02:09 PM
skinink     
Nice how on the one hand the politicians proclaim America the best Country in the World, then on the other hand they do everything to run the country like they couldn't give a shiat. Obama was re-elected on November 2nd, so all of them had just about two whole months to avert this, but they haven't. Jerks.

30 Dec 2012 02:09 PM
Jesda     
It's going to be a crappy deal that screws over most taxpayers.

But hey, credit for getting it done? Oh well.

30 Dec 2012 02:13 PM
iheartscotch    [TotalFark]  
A republican congratulated Obama on something?

How bad could it be?

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together ... mass hysteria!

30 Dec 2012 02:14 PM
computerguyUT     
Let's see...higher taxes means more money to the Guvmint.
Um.....I don't see our esteemed leaders' incentive to change a damn thing.

Oh that's right, there are still those of you out there that think the government gives a flying fark about you.
Suckers.

30 Dec 2012 02:15 PM
KIA     
No.

30 Dec 2012 02:16 PM
Bit'O'Gristle     
I can't believe that just this one time, we can't drop partisan politics and just make a nice deal that will save us from plunging into the abyss. It's bad enough that most of the major companies have fled to other climes to pay their workers shiat wages and no benefits, so work is hard to find , and the jobs you CAN find are crap that don't pay. Now, we are looking at taxing everyone at a higher rate, when the economy is in a steady depression, and unemployment is high. One would like to think that we elected these people to actually, I don't know, HELP the constituents they represent, and let go of the political line they drive on all the time. Taxing me more when i don't have much now isn't really helping me.

30 Dec 2012 02:17 PM
CJHardin     
We have to protect our phoney baloney jobs here, gentlemen! We must do something about this immediately! Immediately! Immediately! Harrumph! Harrumph!

/I'm glad that they should now be able to avoid such an arbitrary thing. Kudos.

30 Dec 2012 02:18 PM
AirForceVet    [TotalFark]  

lordjupiter: this thread...how the fark does it work?


Like this obviously.

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30 Dec 2012 02:18 PM
KrispyKritter     

lordjupiter: this thread...how the fark does it work?


The Politics tab - how the heck does one find it?

30 Dec 2012 02:18 PM
ggecko     

iheartscotch: A republican congratulated Obama on something?

How bad could it be?

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together ... mass hysteria!


Yeah, but it's not a congratulations. He congratulated him for getting a "political victory", that's like saying "oh, you won this round but we'll get you next time".

30 Dec 2012 02:19 PM
Coming on a Bicycle     
I still haven't found anyone with some authority explain exactly *why* this fiscal cliff would be such an enormous disaster.

30 Dec 2012 02:19 PM
simplicimus     
I don't think Moose and Squirrel make any income, so they won't be affected by this.

30 Dec 2012 02:19 PM
Taylor Mental     

ZAZ: I expect any deal to be worse than the "cliff".


THIS. You know Obama will sell us out before making those assholes pay for causing this mess.

30 Dec 2012 02:19 PM
Funk Brothers     
New York Times' Tweeter feed is reporting a setback.

30 Dec 2012 02:20 PM
Marine1     
Graham seems to be one of the few in the old guard that seems to understand that the GOP really needs to change if it intends to survive.

/seems is the active word in that sentence.

30 Dec 2012 02:20 PM
Bontesla    [TotalFark]  

GAT_00: NewportBarGuy: I'm racking my brain for the GOP votes they need. I think Graham is saying he'll vote for it, but that's still 50-50 based upon how they treated Dole's UN treaty. You can probably get Scott Brown, because he wants Kerry's seat. You can count on Snowe and Collins. Who else?

Who else is not batsh*t crazy? I honestly can't think of anymore votes. Saxby Chambliss said something a few weeks ago, but he got his peter stepped on. Can they actually get 60 votes? F*cking filibuster rule is retarded. Especially since they don't have the stones to actually make them filibuster the goddamn thing.

Graham says he thinks the bill needs 60% of the Senate GOP to back it to get a tenth of the House GOP to vote for it, assuming that all the Democrats vote for the deal.

Every single part of this is absurd and I think unlikely.


I don't foresee a resolution occurring in enough time. If all budgetary bills must originate in the House and if this one originates in the Senate then I think we'll see what we saw a few months ago when another budgetary bill was originated in the Senate. They allowed it to come up for a vote in the House because they knew it couldn't be passed. The House only needs to accuse Obama of trying to bypass the Constitution and suddenly this becomes a discussion about who did what and not the fiscal cliff.

30 Dec 2012 02:20 PM
TomD9938     
Leave Moose and Squirrel to me.

30 Dec 2012 02:21 PM
Mrtraveler01     

Bit'O'Gristle: Taxing me more when i don't have much now isn't really helping me.


Unless you make over $250,000 you wouldn't have had to worry about being tasked if the GOP and Dems would have come to an agreement.

The GOP would rather have everyone pay higher taxes than letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the rich.

Let me repeat:

The GOP would rather have everyone pay higher taxes than letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the rich.

Unless you make over $250,000, I don't see how anyone can vote for the GOP in their best interests.

30 Dec 2012 02:22 PM
Bontesla    [TotalFark]  

Coming on a Bicycle: I still haven't found anyone with some authority explain exactly *why* this fiscal cliff would be such an enormous disaster.


GIS

30 Dec 2012 02:22 PM
Unknown_Poltroon     
"New York Times' Tweeter feed is reporting a setback." I am shocked.

30 Dec 2012 02:23 PM
iheartscotch    [TotalFark]  

ggecko: iheartscotch: A republican congratulated Obama on something?

How bad could it be?

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together ... mass hysteria!

Yeah, but it's not a congratulations. He congratulated him for getting a "political victory", that's like saying "oh, you won this round but we'll get you next time".


Perhaps he should have said,

" Next time Obama, next time...mrrreeeeoooow"

And then flew off in his flying car thing.

30 Dec 2012 02:23 PM
Jake Havechek     

PreMortem: TFA does not include Graham congradulating Obama on a deal. I am disappoint in headline.


He did on FOX News Sunday. He said "my hat is off to the president" for getting a deal.

The GOP are farked. The teabagger faction is at war with establishment GOP, and they both hate moderate Republicans.

30 Dec 2012 02:23 PM
Publikwerks    [TotalFark]  
Republican's want Chained CPI included, which democrats are saying no to.

You know, I think the GOP is right about one thing. We need more guns, if only to start shooting them with.

30 Dec 2012 02:24 PM
Stephen_Falken     
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Oh, Cliff
Sometimes it must be difficult not to feel as if
You really are a Cliff
When fascists keep trying to push you over it
Are they the lemmings?
Or are you Cliff?
Or are you, Cliff?

30 Dec 2012 02:24 PM
clowncar on fire     
Watered down version I'm sure- a few higher taxes on the wealthiest, elimination of programs that don't exist but have been budgeted for 2013. Probably balancing the budget in the short term but raising the debt ceiling a bit, cause, ya gotta have options.

I'd prefer eliminating charity and home mortgage interest write-offs, raising the minimum tax on the wealthiest to 22-25% on derivatives for those earning 250k or more, all government programs take a 2% or more reduction, and pay the additional 2% on my own earned income. Tax property sales of over 200k on people who earn 250k (combined wages and any other income that year property is sold). Tax gifts of cash/monetary gifts of over 50k. Place import taxes on companies who have moved from domestic to overseas, minimum tax on those who choose to return.

In all fairness, imposing a flat non-returnable annual tax of $100 on our lowest wage earners (that's like a bag of weed or half a carton of cigs/12 pack of cheep beer monthly) as they seem to place the heaviest burden on our public services. Seriously time to look at religious organizations that are openly exploiting the tax laws and the revenue they generate, medicare fraud, start taxing luxury again.

30 Dec 2012 02:25 PM
Krikkitbot     
Quid pro quo Clarice, quid pro quo

30 Dec 2012 02:25 PM
Marine1     

Mrtraveler01: Bit'O'Gristle: Taxing me more when i don't have much now isn't really helping me.

Unless you make over $250,000 you wouldn't have had to worry about being tasked if the GOP and Dems would have come to an agreement.

The GOP would rather have everyone pay higher taxes than letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the rich.

Let me repeat:

The GOP would rather have everyone pay higher taxes than letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the rich.

Unless you make over $250,000, I don't see how anyone can vote for the GOP in their best interests.


Part of me is okay with this.

The rest of me, not so much. Our society doesn't set its mind on "what you can do for your country", it thinks of the exact opposite. We can't afford all the stuff we want right now, even if we jack the rate up on the rich. Everyone would have to contribute more. This won't happen.

30 Dec 2012 02:26 PM
Jim_Tressel's_O-Face     
Today:

Graham: "A deal is near!"
White House: "It is?"

Tomorrow:

Graham: "We had a deal but the White House ruined it! Its all their fault!"
White House: "We did? It is?"
Media dutifully stenographs: "Graham Says White House Scuttled Deal To Save Us From Financial Ruin, White House Denies, Both Sides Are Still Bad"

30 Dec 2012 02:26 PM
Funk Brothers     

Mrtraveler01: Bit'O'Gristle: Taxing me more when i don't have much now isn't really helping me.

Unless you make over $250,000 you wouldn't have had to worry about being tasked if the GOP and Dems would have come to an agreement.

The GOP would rather have everyone pay higher taxes than letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the rich.

Let me repeat:

The GOP would rather have everyone pay higher taxes than letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the rich.

Unless you make over $250,000, I don't see how anyone can vote for the GOP in their best interests.


The reason why raising taxes over $250,000 is that it is excessive and not fair for those making under $250,000. It creates envy and class warfare. Besides that money should be going to creating jobs and helping the economy, not paying down our debt. The French court ruled that François Hollande's 75% tax on millionaires is unconstitutional just a few days ago. If Obama gets his way, Conservatives and Tea Party folks must fight this tax in the court. It will eventually go up to the Supreme Court who will rule it unconstitutional.

30 Dec 2012 02:26 PM
Jake Havechek     

Krikkitbot: Quid pro quo Clarice, quid pro quo


Tell me Mr. Boehner......have the lambs stopped screaming yet?

30 Dec 2012 02:27 PM
sarahthustra     
oh lindsey graham, you coy minx...

30 Dec 2012 02:28 PM
The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves     
Obama's hand just gets stronger if the tax cuts expire.

30 Dec 2012 02:28 PM
Zoomaster     
My bet is they go over the cliff, then early next year they will pass the exact same deal that they refuse to accept now. They are going to allow taxes to go up, without voting on it, so the republicans can claim they never voted to raise taxes. Then after Jan. 1, after the automatic raises go into effect, they will pass the exact same thing they refuse to pass now, because then they can claim they voted to lower taxes.

/all politics are local
//they only care about getting re-elected back home
///not what is best for the nation

30 Dec 2012 02:29 PM
MemeSlave     

ZAZ: I expect any deal to be worse than the "cliff".


Over in 2.

30 Dec 2012 02:29 PM
Jake Havechek     
All the income under $250,000 will still be taxed at the old rate, it's the first penny over that and the rest that is over the $250,000 will be taxed at a new rate.

That is what the GOP and FOX News Channel does not want you to know.

30 Dec 2012 02:29 PM
The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves     
His pimp hand, that is.

30 Dec 2012 02:29 PM
red5ish     
Here's hoping Dick Cheney takes Lindsey Graham hunting sometime soon.

30 Dec 2012 02:29 PM
Infernalist     
I see nothing in that article but wishful thinking and more deflection of blame toward the Senate for the House GOP's failure to act.

30 Dec 2012 02:29 PM
Atomic Spunk     
Silly Fark headlines that misrepresent the content of the linked articles are tolerable if we're reading about a Kardashian or teachers having sex with students, but this fiscal cliff thing is a little more important than that.

30 Dec 2012 02:31 PM
simplicimus     

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Obama's hand just gets stronger if the tax cuts expire.


My thought as well. Because the House couldn't agree to raise taxes on the rich, everybody's taxes went up, including the rich. I don't think they thought their clever plan through.

30 Dec 2012 02:31 PM
Kuroshin     

ZAZ: I expect any deal to be worse than the "cliff".


30 Dec 2012 02:32 PM
Jake Havechek     
'my number one priority is making sure president Obama's a one-term president.'

-- Mitch McConnell


You made your bed, farkos, now lie in it.

30 Dec 2012 02:32 PM
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