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   Pediatricians' group says kids need more recess time at school, this story brought to you in part by Sally's lemonade stand

01 Jan 2013 10:42 AM   |   2144 clicks   |   ABC
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Thunderpipes     
99% of the problems we have are due to kids not playing. AD&D, voting Democrat, being Fatty McFatFat, all the problems of the world can be traced to kids not playing.

01 Jan 2013 10:43 AM
wildcardjack     
But you can't grade kids on recess.

Yet.

01 Jan 2013 10:45 AM
Dalek Caan's doomed mistress     

wildcardjack: But you can't grade kids on recess.

Yet.


I thought that was called 'gym class'.

01 Jan 2013 10:48 AM
david_gaithersburg     
They may hurt themselves.

01 Jan 2013 10:54 AM
Infobahn    [TotalFark]  

Thunderpipes: 99% of the problems we have are due to kids not playing. AD&D, voting Democrat, being Fatty McFatFat, all the problems of the world can be traced to kids not playing.


I see your problem right there, fatty.

01 Jan 2013 10:55 AM
StoPPeRmobile     
fark that!

We need more cube farmers.

01 Jan 2013 10:57 AM
OrionXVI     

StoPPeRmobile: fark that!

We need more cube farmers.


Most already potato shaped. I don't think they need help upgrading to Jabba the Hut and dead by 50 (Dog knows I've seen my share of both working in a cube farm).

//Recess can be good, Physical Education is good

01 Jan 2013 11:06 AM
sloshed_again     
This applies all thru life.
Some of my best education came at breaktime or downtime.

01 Jan 2013 11:08 AM
that was my nickname in highschool     
What's the point? Hardly anyone in the U.S. understands the point of fitness. I travel a bit and see all kinds of gyms, but it's always the same: 40% are trying to make their bodies skinny, 40% are trying to make their bodies lumpy, and most of the rest are just there to maintain a smug sense of superiority. I joined a fight gym just so I could train around other people who are training for a purpose, even though I will never step into a ring.

01 Jan 2013 11:09 AM
threadjackistan     

Infobahn: Thunderpipes: 99% of the problems we have are due to kids not playing. AD&D, voting Democrat, being Fatty McFatFat, all the problems of the world can be traced to kids not playing.

I see your problem right there, fatty.


Advanced Dungeons and Dragons?

01 Jan 2013 11:09 AM
ChubbyTiger     

threadjackistan: Infobahn: Thunderpipes: 99% of the problems we have are due to kids not playing. AD&D, voting Democrat, being Fatty McFatFat, all the problems of the world can be traced to kids not playing.

I see your problem right there, fatty.

Advanced Dungeons and Dragons?


Damn bit better than 3.5.

01 Jan 2013 11:17 AM
wildlifer     
more recess and bring shop back.
get rid of cursive writing

01 Jan 2013 11:17 AM
BizarreMan    [TotalFark]  

that was my nickname in highschool: What's the point? Hardly anyone in the U.S. understands the point of fitness.


Recess isn't about fitness. It's about getting outside or in the gym. Moving around, Doing something that isn't thinking and learning. Disconnect the brain from the learning mode, and when it comes back after recess it will be more refreshed, relaxed, and inclined to learn more.

Fitness is just a side benefit.

01 Jan 2013 11:18 AM
Curious    [TotalFark]  

wildlifer: more recess and bring shop back.
get rid of cursive writing


cursive writing defines a nation. without it we are just savages.

01 Jan 2013 11:22 AM
MaxSupernova     
My first grader has two days of recess a week and three days of PE. One of the days in PE is devoted strictly to crossfit, one day are crossfit "games" and then the third day of PE are for your more traditional PE type activities...including dodgeball.

i really wish they would have recess everyday just to let the kids burn off some of the craziness and to give the kids a mental break. It just amazes me how much more academically aggressive they are now versus when I was in school and 20 minutes to just play would be very useful I think.

01 Jan 2013 11:37 AM
Fano     

BizarreMan: that was my nickname in highschool: What's the point? Hardly anyone in the U.S. understands the point of fitness.

Recess isn't about fitness. It's about getting outside or in the gym. Moving around, Doing something that isn't thinking and learning. Disconnect the brain from the learning mode, and when it comes back after recess it will be more refreshed, relaxed, and inclined to learn more.

Fitness is just a side benefit.


I always think of the hot Italian girl in my abnormal psych course that claimed there was no ADHD in Italy because those kids got a good dose of after school soccer practice. Seriously though, it's cruel to expect elemental age boys to sit quietly at a desk for a full school day.

01 Jan 2013 11:39 AM
punishmentforshoplifting     
Kids MUST learn how to socialize properly if they want any hope of a normal, successful life when they get older. It's a non-negotiable. Recess is a huge part of learning how to socialize properly.

/playing "popcorn" with the giant parachute and playground balls was AWESOME

01 Jan 2013 11:43 AM
punishmentforshoplifting     
Even with my one year old, he's MUCH easier to handle and better behaved if he's recently had outdoor play time. I hope recess is still around by the time he hits kindergarten.

01 Jan 2013 11:47 AM
Earpj     
I wanted to email this article to my son's Principal. The boy is in 5th grade. They were having a "Lockdown Drill" right before the vacation. Some of the kids wouldn't shut up.
The Principal got angry and took away recess for the entire 5th grade until next month. Anyone who knows my son, knows that he's a good kid and was doing what he was supposed to do. He said "Not only did we lose recess, but we'd all be dead, cause they can't shut up."

Anyway, I'm against group punishment, but I'm really against taking away recess.

01 Jan 2013 11:48 AM
CygnusDarius     
Agrees.

/I think it would be a good proposition for this new year to actually build on his dream

01 Jan 2013 11:54 AM
BizarreMan    [TotalFark]  

Fano: Seriously though, it's cruel to expect elemental age boys to sit quietly at a desk for a full school day.


If they take their meds they'll be nice, quiet, compliant and not cause problems.

01 Jan 2013 11:54 AM
GrizzledVeteran     
Fifty years ago, fresh off his success as the composer of "The Music Man," Meredith Willson got American kids exercising via the "Chicken Fat" song:

Link

/Much slimmer nation then, and I don't just blame the HFCS

01 Jan 2013 11:59 AM
Fano     

punishmentforshoplifting: Kids MUST learn how to socialize properly if they want any hope of a normal, successful life when they get older. It's a non-negotiable. Recess is a huge part of learning how to socialize properly.

/playing "popcorn" with the giant parachute and playground balls was AWESOME


Theory: we have more violent deviants today because kids don't have as much semiunsupervised play time. Kids don't have to figure out have to get along playing stick ball with other kids, they can just report to the nearest authority figure to make the other kid do what you want.

Also, popcorn was awesome, as was lifting the parachute, then everyone getting inside and letting it fall on you.

01 Jan 2013 12:07 PM
namegoeshere     

BizarreMan: that was my nickname in highschool: What's the point? Hardly anyone in the U.S. understands the point of fitness.

Recess isn't about fitness. It's about getting outside or in the gym. Moving around, Doing something that isn't thinking and learning. Disconnect the brain from the learning mode, and when it comes back after recess it will be more refreshed, relaxed, and inclined to learn more.

Fitness is just a side benefit.


This This This. Take away recess and make them FOCUS FOCUS FOCUS far past what small children are capable of doing, and then wonder why ADHD diagnoses are through the farking roof.

01 Jan 2013 12:14 PM
suziequzie     

wildcardjack: But you can't grade kids on recess.

Yet.


My grade 5 teacher complained to my mom at a Parent-Teacher night that "All Suziequzie does during recess is sit on the curb and read." I guess in his eyes I was failing recess.

01 Jan 2013 12:18 PM
dopekitty74     

Fano: punishmentforshoplifting: Kids MUST learn how to socialize properly if they want any hope of a normal, successful life when they get older. It's a non-negotiable. Recess is a huge part of learning how to socialize properly.

/playing "popcorn" with the giant parachute and playground balls was AWESOME

Theory: we have more violent deviants today because kids don't have as much semiunsupervised play time. Kids don't have to figure out have to get along playing stick ball with other kids, they can just report to the nearest authority figure to make the other kid do what you want.

Also, popcorn was awesome, as was lifting the parachute, then everyone getting inside and letting it fall on you.


This!!

Nowadays its considered bullying if you don't accept a certain kid into your group that is playing, even if the kid isn't someone you like, and having best friends and talking about it is prohibited in some schools so kids don't feel "left out"

If you want to have friends, you need to learn how to attract them and how to keep them, and its stupid to force kids to play with someone they don't like, because the resentment will just make the kid on the receiving end feel worse.

01 Jan 2013 12:19 PM
MidnightSkulker     
My son gets over an hour of recess a day. I've talked to a number of American friends whose kids get recess once or twice a week. It's absurd to expect kids - particularly kids under 10 - to focus all day with no physical outlet. My son goes nuts if we don't go outside everyday. He'd be horrible for his teachers if he didn't have recess.

01 Jan 2013 12:22 PM
serpent_sky    [TotalFark]  

MaxSupernova: i really wish they would have recess everyday just to let the kids burn off some of the craziness and to give the kids a mental break. It just amazes me how much more academically aggressive they are now versus when I was in school and 20 minutes to just play would be very useful I think.


I don't know if this is just my bad luck of the draw, but I work somewhere that breaks are frowned upon. Actively.  As if we're "getting away with something" for being away from our desks, even if we just go sit outside and eat a sandwich for 15 minutes or walk a few laps around the buildings.  I am so used to eating at my desk, I don't even think about it much anymore.  "Recess" is good for everyone.  Your brain needs a break. Your body needs to move.  In a way, though, these kids are just being trained for what's ahead.  The only job I can remember in ages with breaks was when I worked at a college and we were part of a union.  The breaks were not only offered, but everyone took them and nobody gave it a second thought.

01 Jan 2013 12:55 PM
Stone Meadow     
Meh, they need to work 12 hours a day in slave-like conditions. How else with the Rmoney's of the world maintain their lives of quiet desperation?

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01 Jan 2013 01:05 PM
The Irresponsible Captain     
In the enthusiasm to improve education we've removed recess, art, and music; and focused on teaching the kids answers to standardized tests.

Kind of backward, ain't it?

01 Jan 2013 01:11 PM
Sketch Artist     
I am 25. When I was in elementary school the day lasted from 8.15 to 3 pm and we had 3 recesses. Not to mention that buses got kids to school at varying times, and most everyone was there early, playing on the playground before school even started.

Now, this was a small, poor, rural school that wasn't exactly high-achieving, but the kids were active and there were maybe 1 or 2 fatties in a school of 55. I do think in our case the recess was a little excessive but I still think a morning recess and an afternoon one is a good way to balance the day and keep kids focused without over-taxing their attention spans.

01 Jan 2013 01:15 PM
SarcasticFark     
1. Extend the school day to 5pm.
2. Bring back recesses and daily phys. ed classes
3. Eliminate homework.
4. Profit?

01 Jan 2013 01:17 PM
StoPPeRmobile     

The Irresponsible Captain: In the enthusiasm to improve education we've removed recess, art, and music; and focused on teaching the kids answers to standardized tests.

Kind of backward, ain't it?


Nope.

The nation doesn't need so many thinkers anymore. Your boss will do the thinking for you. As God intended.

01 Jan 2013 01:18 PM
cyberspacedout    [TotalFark]  
If we're training kids to forego recess, I just hope this serves as an example for Congress.

01 Jan 2013 01:32 PM
weasil     
We still get two recesses (Pasadena, CA), but when you factor in the lining up time, and at lunch the waiting-for-the-last-lunch's-kids-to-c lear-the-field time, it's about 10 minutes in each recess. At the elementary level, it's rare to have a designated PE teacher, so it's usually on the regular teacher to see to the PE instruction. Most don't want to do PE unless they've finished everything else for the day, and so they either don't go out, or they go out last thing, when anyone else that got done early heads out, then it's a clusterfark and you can't do any organized activities.

My kids love me because I go out first thing in the morning, minimum half an hour, 3 days a week, guaranteed. It's cooler, so the girls don't have to worry so much about getting icky-sweaty, no one passes out from the heat, and there's hardly ever competition for the field.

My ADD-ish kids (one girl, three boys) are never an issue until after lunch, when they have to go for 2 hours and 20 minutes without a break. That's when I can hold out the "extra-recess" reward to get things done.

If they took away our recess time, I would just add more PE. It is, after all, a legally required subject in CA.

01 Jan 2013 01:46 PM
weasil     

cyberspacedout: If we're training kids to forego recess, I just hope this serves as an example for Congress.


I will second that motion.

01 Jan 2013 01:49 PM
cyberspacedout    [TotalFark]  

Sketch Artist: I am 25. When I was in elementary school the day lasted from 8.15 to 3 pm and we had 3 recesses. Not to mention that buses got kids to school at varying times, and most everyone was there early, playing on the playground before school even started.

Now, this was a small, poor, rural school that wasn't exactly high-achieving, but the kids were active and there were maybe 1 or 2 fatties in a school of 55. I do think in our case the recess was a little excessive but I still think a morning recess and an afternoon one is a good way to balance the day and keep kids focused without over-taxing their attention spans.


Pretty much the same here, except I grew up back in the 80s, in a larger suburban middle class school. They did cut out the third recess when I was in 5th grade, but the 3 hour stretch between lunch and the end of the day wasn't so bad. The faculty and staff at my elementary school knew that it worked to simply let kids be kids.

Nowadays there oughtta be a law requiring public schools to hire at least someone with a degree in or related to child psychology, and possibly someone to actually give a shiat about the students' well being. If it prevents just one maladjusted, angry, or lunatic kid from brining a gun to school, it might well be worth doing.

01 Jan 2013 02:16 PM
Brave     
I was actually blessed to work in a school once where I was given all the "ADD" type kids (mostly boys of course) and allowed to spend all day outside if we wanted. We practiced spelling words and math drills while throwing softballs back and forth, I disciplined by having kids run laps and we studied the heck out of dinosaurs. The kids were 1st, 2nd and 3rd grade and they all passed and didn't end the year feeling like they were defective for just being kids.

01 Jan 2013 03:00 PM
GF named my left testicle thundercles     

Brave: I was actually blessed to work in a school once where I was given all the "ADD" type kids (mostly boys of course) and allowed to spend all day outside if we wanted. We practiced spelling words and math drills while throwing softballs back and forth, I disciplined by having kids run laps and we studied the heck out of dinosaurs. The kids were 1st, 2nd and 3rd grade and they all passed and didn't end the year feeling like they were defective for just being kids.


im interested in your story. at what age are the kids expected to write? has the school been doing this program for long? has there been any resistance to it? the results were good? tell me more please.

01 Jan 2013 03:38 PM
Phins     
I train dogs with behavior problems and about half of all behavior problems can be solved just by the dog getting more exercise. They also learn faster after they've had the chance to just run around for 15 minutes.

Children are probably similar. These no recess policies seem penny-wise, pound-foolish to me.

01 Jan 2013 03:41 PM
namegoeshere     

Phins: These no recess policies seem penny-wise, pound-foolish to me


Penny-wise, pound-foolish pretty much defines education in the US.

01 Jan 2013 03:44 PM
Teresaol31     
I hate the whole group punishment of taking away recess. My fifth grader, who is well behaved and academically excellent has suffered for his classmate's inability to act right since first grade because of that particular punishment. Worse yet, they only 40 minutes for lunch and recess, so if the fatty kids are taking their time eating they may only get 10 minutes to begin with. They also only get one 30 minute PE per week. And yet they can spend 2 hours per day teaching them how to take the damn standardized math test that is coming up. They also spend 2 hours per day in "language arts" to address the verbal portion of the test. On the other hand, they also have NO playground "equipment" for the kids above first grade and because of injuries they can no longer play: tag, flag football, dodgeball, frisbee, or kickball during recess, so they mainly just stand around talking during recess. THIS is why I'm pulling him from public school next year and putting him in an online homeschool program. At least then I can control what he is being taught (or rather due to the level of suck his current school demonstrates, not taught) and when he needs a break he can go ride his bike, play hacky-sack, or practice handball in the backyard. No child left behind has become "no child gets ahead" and that includes in a foot race.

01 Jan 2013 04:21 PM
Beanlet     

dopekitty74: If you want to have friends, you need to learn how to attract them and how to keep them, and its stupid to force kids to play with someone they don't like, because the resentment will just make the kid on the receiving end feel worse.



An interesting exception to this. My daughter had a guy bullying her in 3rd grade. The teacher saw that this kid was an annoying shiat, but also knew he had a very harsh life outside of school. She thought inside he was a good kid, he just didn't know how to interact. She paired my daughter and the kid in a project that was meant to get the kids to learn about the other person and write an essay together about each other.

I wasn't thrilled at first, knowing this kid was really hard on my daughter, but they sat down together and learned some things that no one else knew. They worked really hard on the whole project and put together a fabulous essay and presentation.

After that, they were pretty close friends and enjoyed hanging out together. My daughter is a complete introvert, nerd, bookworm type (and very proud of it). They somehow balanced one another out, he brought out some fun sides of her and got her to play basketball with the boys. She got him interested in books, just a little more, and in being quieter in class. He was so careful not to upset her, it made him a much better student.

I know it doesn't always work out that way, in fact, she's had some bad experiences with teacher pairings that were obviously done because she was the good girl and the teacher hoped for the same thing, just disasterous all the way around. But that once, it changed a couple of kids' lives for the better.

01 Jan 2013 04:57 PM
PapaChester     

Teresaol31: I hate the whole group punishment of taking away recess. My fifth grader, who is well behaved and academically excellent has suffered for his classmate's inability to act right since first grade because of that particular punishment. Worse yet, they only 40 minutes for lunch and recess, so if the fatty kids are taking their time eating they may only get 10 minutes to begin with. They also only get one 30 minute PE per week. And yet they can spend 2 hours per day teaching them how to take the damn standardized math test that is coming up. They also spend 2 hours per day in "language arts" to address the verbal portion of the test. On the other hand, they also have NO playground "equipment" for the kids above first grade and because of injuries they can no longer play: tag, flag football, dodgeball, frisbee, or kickball during recess, so they mainly just stand around talking during recess. THIS is why I'm pulling him from public school next year and putting him in an online homeschool program. At least then I can control what he is being taught (or rather due to the level of suck his current school demonstrates, not taught) and when he needs a break he can go ride his bike, play hacky-sack, or practice handball in the backyard. No child left behind has become "no child gets ahead" and that includes in a foot race.


Oh homeschooling. NCLB has increased the amount of dipshiat kids BECAUSE parents are removing them from the classrooms to be "homeschooled", i.e. not schooled.

01 Jan 2013 05:08 PM
ThatGuyFromTheInternet     

namegoeshere: Phins: These no recess policies seem penny-wise, pound-foolish to me

Penny-wise, pound-foolish pretty much defines education in the US.


FTFY

01 Jan 2013 05:43 PM
razyjean     

BizarreMan: Fano: Seriously though, it's cruel to expect elemental age boys to sit quietly at a desk for a full school day.

If they take their meds they'll be nice, quiet, compliant and not cause problems.


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