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   Congratulations law students. You're now in the elite employment ranks of Future Starbucks Baristas, along with all those liberal arts masters degree holders

31 Jan 2013 01:01 PM   |   12585 clicks   |   The New York Times
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RexTalionis    [TotalFark]  
Boy, ain't that the truth.

31 Jan 2013 11:00 AM
Nabb1    [TotalFark]  

RexTalionis: Boy, ain't that the truth.


31 Jan 2013 11:09 AM
Rincewind53     
Not me, I'm pretty and special and will graduate with money just raining down on me like some sort of cash bukkake.

31 Jan 2013 11:34 AM
Weaver95    [TotalFark]  
nice to see law students in the same boat as the rest of us.  c'mon down to the protests and get your fair share of abuse!

31 Jan 2013 11:36 AM
rumpelstiltskin    [TotalFark]  
I know they won't give you your money back if you go to law school but don't get a job as a lawyer, but what about your soul? Do they at least return that?

31 Jan 2013 11:37 AM
Rincewind53     

Weaver95: nice to see law students in the same boat as the rest of us.  c'mon down to the protests and get your fair share of abuse!


Actually, I'm trained to go down to the protests to act as legal observers for the National Lawyer's Guild, to protect protesters from police abuses.

31 Jan 2013 11:39 AM
Mugato    [TotalFark]  
Law school. Memorize a bunch of court case precedents and terminally boring laws and learn to argue like an asshole. Doesn't impress me. farking Bush managed to get a law degree, ffs. Sure there was nepotism involved but he still made it to class.

31 Jan 2013 11:44 AM
xynix    [TotalFark]  

Weaver95: nice to see law students in the same boat as the rest of us.  c'mon down to the protests and get your fair share of abuse!


We share the same boat so they're taking on water too. Simply put .. less Americans can afford: Divorce, frivolous lawsuits against X-friends/family/neighbors, custody battles, etc. Corporations are also using less legal help or outsourcing aspects of it to foreign lands or private home-workers (My mom does court reporting from her house). More IT efficiency means less need for legal admins as well so it effects the entire "legal industry." My mom used to be a legal administrator.. Hard to find employment in the field.

Computers have also allowed us to rely less on real attorneys and more on internet available legal documents. I don't have to get my lease agreement drawn up by a lawyer as I can simply download one from the internet for free and it will have the same legal standing as one made by a lawyer. Even forming a corporation or LLC which used to require an attorney can now be done by an individual with the same end result: an incorporation. The first Corp I had cost $1500 to form. The last LLC I made a few years ago for rental properties cost me zero as I did it myself with publicly available legal documents which I then submitted to my state for legal corporation. It's the same exact documentation that cost me $1500 back in 96.

Now we compound these problems with the fact that seasoned lawyers are sticking around longer before they retire. Some attorneys are coming back to the industry because they realize they can't live off what they originally planned on. So now I have an option between a guy who's spent 40 years practicing and knows everyone in the district vs. a new guy who doesn't really know all that much. Who would you pick?

31 Jan 2013 11:45 AM
Weaver95    [TotalFark]  

Rincewind53: Weaver95: nice to see law students in the same boat as the rest of us.  c'mon down to the protests and get your fair share of abuse!

Actually, I'm trained to go down to the protests to act as legal observers for the National Lawyer's Guild, to protect protesters from police abuses.


i've met more than a few of your group at various Occupy gatherings.  I don't think the capital cops were too fond of y'all either but the ground rule explanations of what you can and can't do around cops during a protest helped keep things from getting ugly on either side.

I liked it when the cops tried to be all cool about eavsedropping and the lawyer guild rep was like 'c'mon down!  there's a seat here in front'.  i've never seen someone look so uncomfortable in body armor before....

31 Jan 2013 11:45 AM
vernonFL    [TotalFark]  
My sister hasn't even graduated law school yet and she already has a job with the local DAs office.

31 Jan 2013 11:47 AM
Rincewind53     

Weaver95: Rincewind53: Weaver95: nice to see law students in the same boat as the rest of us.  c'mon down to the protests and get your fair share of abuse!

Actually, I'm trained to go down to the protests to act as legal observers for the National Lawyer's Guild, to protect protesters from police abuses.

i've met more than a few of your group at various Occupy gatherings.  I don't think the capital cops were too fond of y'all either but the ground rule explanations of what you can and can't do around cops during a protest helped keep things from getting ugly on either side.

I liked it when the cops tried to be all cool about eavsedropping and the lawyer guild rep was like 'c'mon down!  there's a seat here in front'.  i've never seen someone look so uncomfortable in body armor before....


I haven't actually had the opportunity to be a legal observer, sadly. Occupy DC's need for them basically fizzled out right after I got the training, and I wasn't available for the few protests after that where they've needed us. But next year when I'm less utterly destroyed with time (this semester I'm doing a clinic representing an asylum applicant who is in removal proceedings) I'm going to work more closely with NLG. Any organization that drove Joe McCarthy mad is one I can support.

31 Jan 2013 11:49 AM
kronicfeld    [TotalFark]  

Mugato: Law school. Memorize a bunch of court case precedents and terminally boring laws and learn to argue like an asshole. Doesn't impress me.


I've heard of straw men, but straw schools?

31 Jan 2013 11:50 AM
Rincewind53     

kronicfeld: Mugato: Law school. Memorize a bunch of court case precedents and terminally boring laws and learn to argue like an asshole. Doesn't impress me.

I've heard of straw men, but straw schools?


Yeah, it's like he saw The Paper Chase and thinks that's how it actually is.

31 Jan 2013 11:53 AM
PainInTheASP    [TotalFark]  

vernonFL: My sister hasn't even graduated law school yet and she already has a job with the local DAs office.


Are you sure she said "job" and not "file"?

31 Jan 2013 11:53 AM
RexTalionis    [TotalFark]  

Rincewind53: kronicfeld: Mugato: Law school. Memorize a bunch of court case precedents and terminally boring laws and learn to argue like an asshole. Doesn't impress me.

I've heard of straw men, but straw schools?

Yeah, it's like he saw The Paper Chase and thinks that's how it actually is.


I have never seen the Paper Chase.

31 Jan 2013 11:54 AM
Shostie    [TotalFark]  

RexTalionis: I have never seen the Paper Chase.


It's actually a decent little movie.

31 Jan 2013 11:58 AM
brap    [TotalFark]  

vernonFL: My sister hasn't even graduated law school yet and she already has a job with the local DAs office.


My sister could kick your sisters ass.

31 Jan 2013 12:05 PM
Because People in power are Stupid    [TotalFark]  
Why don't they just work in Intellectual Property where they can make money by stealing other people's ideas and patenting them?

Seems that you can only get rich doing this.

31 Jan 2013 12:08 PM
Cyberluddite    [TotalFark]  

Rincewind53: Not me, I'm pretty and special and will graduate with money just raining down on me like some sort of cash bukkake.


As a lawyer myself, I've tried to talk many youngsters out of going to law school and becoming lawyers (including in TFD some advice threads over the years) , with tales of horrible working conditions, long hours, shiatty pay, poor job prospects, and widespread career dissatisfaction among most of my colleagues.  It always falls on deaf ears, and your sarcastic comment above is not too far off from what they actually say and seem to believe.  Unless I happen to talk to them a few years later, when I typically hear the "You were right--I wish I'd listened then" sort of comments.

31 Jan 2013 12:09 PM
Cyberluddite    [TotalFark]  

vernonFL: My sister hasn't even graduated law school yet and she already has a job with the local DAs office.


I hope she's able to pay off her $100,000 in student loans quickly on that lavish $50K/year salary.

Certainly some people find good and satisfying jobs, and do it right away (hell, I did, for that matter).  But especially now, that's most definitely the exception.

31 Jan 2013 12:13 PM
sigdiamond2000    [TotalFark]  

vernonFL: My sister hasn't even graduated law school yet and she already has a job with the local DAs office.


Is she a young, brash rainmaker who's going to use her natural spunky charm to step on some toes and put the system on trial?

31 Jan 2013 12:16 PM
sigdiamond2000    [TotalFark]  

Cyberluddite: Certainly some people find good and satisfying jobs, and do it right away (hell, I did, for that matter).


Were you a young, brash rainmaker who used your natural spunky charm to step on some toes and put the system on trial?

31 Jan 2013 12:17 PM
Rincewind53     

RexTalionis: I have never seen the Paper Chase.


Sadly, me neither. But it's on NetFlix now, so it's on my list of things to watch.

Cyberluddite: As a lawyer myself, I've tried to talk many youngsters out of going to law school and becoming lawyers (including in TFD some advice threads over the years) , with tales of horrible working conditions, long hours, shiatty pay, poor job prospects, and widespread career dissatisfaction among most of my colleagues.  It always falls on deaf ears, and your sarcastic comment above is not too far off from what they actually say and seem to believe.  Unless I happen to talk to them a few years later, when I typically hear the "You were right--I wish I'd listened then" sort of comments.


I'm one of those actual public interest types that legitimately does not care about making a lot of money, so I'm in a fairly good position re: employment. I mean, not that I  havea 2L summer job at the moment, but that's because government & nonprofits don't hire in the fall semester, generally.

31 Jan 2013 12:18 PM
whistleridge    [TotalFark]  

Cyberluddite: vernonFL: My sister hasn't even graduated law school yet and she already has a job with the local DAs office.

I hope she's able to pay off her $100,000 in student loans quickly on that lavish $50K/year salary.

Certainly some people find good and satisfying jobs, and do it right away (hell, I did, for that matter).  But especially now, that's most definitely the exception.


Depends on your school. Duke will pay off all of your loans if you work for 5 years as an ADA or a public defender. That's the one I know of for sure. I can't imagine it's the only one, or even rare.

31 Jan 2013 12:24 PM
Eddie Adams from Torrance    [TotalFark]  
Your next lawyer:

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My client would like to plead "Not Guilty" your honor.

31 Jan 2013 12:25 PM
Eddie Adams from Torrance    [TotalFark]  
Dammit.. Clarence Thomas ate my image.

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31 Jan 2013 12:27 PM
vernonFL    [TotalFark]  

sigdiamond2000: Is she a young, brash rainmaker who's going to use her natural spunky charm to step on some toes and put the system on trial?


LOL Yes actually. We joke about it all the time. She's heard every "legally blonde", "law and order", "I'll need you when I get a DWI"  "No, YOU'RE out of order!" joke.

31 Jan 2013 12:28 PM
PainInTheASP    [TotalFark]  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Dammit.. Clarence Thomas ate my image.

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Looks like it didn't agree with him and he puked it back up.  Probably had some pubes on it.

31 Jan 2013 12:29 PM
DannyJunior     

vernonFL: LOL Yes actually. We joke about it all the time. She's heard every "legally blonde", "law and order", "I'll need you when I get a DWI" "No, YOU'RE out of order!" joke.


Sounds like she can't handle the truth.

31 Jan 2013 12:32 PM
markie_farkie    [TotalFark]  

31 Jan 2013 12:33 PM
RexTalionis    [TotalFark]  
I did law because working as a programmer/IT technician seems like soul-crushing work.

Anyway, is anyone interested in hiring an IT guy who knows his way around the law?

31 Jan 2013 12:34 PM
kronicfeld    [TotalFark]  

sigdiamond2000: vernonFL: My sister hasn't even graduated law school yet and she already has a job with the local DAs office.

Is she a young, brash rainmaker who's going to use her natural spunky charm to step on some toes and put the system on trial?


Single Female Lawyer
Havin' lots of sex

31 Jan 2013 12:37 PM
Cyberluddite    [TotalFark]  

sigdiamond2000: Cyberluddite: Certainly some people find good and satisfying jobs, and do it right away (hell, I did, for that matter).
Were you a young, brash rainmaker who used your natural spunky charm to step on some toes and put the system on trial?


It must have been that.  Or the fact that I graduated from law school at a time when the legal market was booming--which should give you an idea of how long ago that was.

31 Jan 2013 12:40 PM
Rincewind53     

kronicfeld: sigdiamond2000: vernonFL: My sister hasn't even graduated law school yet and she already has a job with the local DAs office.

Is she a young, brash rainmaker who's going to use her natural spunky charm to step on some toes and put the system on trial?

Single Female Lawyer
Havin' lots of sex


Oh, the people I know in law school who fit that model... It's enough to make a guy wish he were single.

31 Jan 2013 12:41 PM
kxs401    [TotalFark]  
Oh man, I just love these articles.

I kind of feel guilty every time I teach an LSAT prep class.

31 Jan 2013 12:42 PM
Rincewind53     

kxs401: Oh man, I just love these articles.

I kind of feel guilty every time I teach an LSAT prep class.


You should stand up in front of your class and shout "You're all  MAD. Mad I tell you!"

31 Jan 2013 12:43 PM
Weaver95    [TotalFark]  

RexTalionis: I did law because working as a programmer/IT technician seems like soul-crushing work.

Anyway, is anyone interested in hiring an IT guy who knows his way around the law?


shiat - i'm STILL looking for a job.  the IT field is pretty thin right now.

31 Jan 2013 12:45 PM
sigdiamond2000    [TotalFark]  

vernonFL: sigdiamond2000: Is she a young, brash rainmaker who's going to use her natural spunky charm to step on some toes and put the system on trial?

LOL Yes actually. We joke about it all the time. She's heard every "legally blonde", "law and order", "I'll need you when I get a DWI" "No, YOU'RE out of order!" joke.


I like to do the "dun-dun" noise from L & O whenever I'm in the presence of a lawyer. I feel it both breaks the ice and let's them know I can have an informed conversation about legal matters.

I do the same thing with cops, but with them I usually say something about how cool Tutuola looks in those big leather jackets he wears.

31 Jan 2013 12:51 PM
RexTalionis    [TotalFark]  

Weaver95: RexTalionis: I did law because working as a programmer/IT technician seems like soul-crushing work.

Anyway, is anyone interested in hiring an IT guy who knows his way around the law?

shiat - i'm STILL looking for a job.  the IT field is pretty thin right now.


That sucks, dude. What is your location? Maybe a change of locale might help?

31 Jan 2013 12:53 PM
give me doughnuts     

Mugato: Law school. Memorize a bunch of court case precedents and terminally boring laws and learn to argue like an asshole. Doesn't impress me. farking Bush managed to get a law degree, ffs. Sure there was nepotism involved but he still made it to class.


If you're talking about Bush 43, no, he didn't have a law degree. Neither did Jeb, or  Bush 41.

31 Jan 2013 12:54 PM
I drunk what     
it's my money and i need it now

31 Jan 2013 01:03 PM
Grand_Moff_Joseph    [TotalFark]  
Sucks for them, as it does for any new graduate looking for work.

That said though, the last thing we need is more freaking lawyers.  What we need are engineers and scientists.

31 Jan 2013 01:04 PM
DrPainMD     
Law school grads have had a hard time getting jobs for decades. How do you think that they can charge $500 per hour if they let everybody in the club? Lawyers understand supply and demand, and how to restrict supply. They also pay big bribes campaign contributions to legislators to increase demand.

31 Jan 2013 01:04 PM
Strix occidentalis     
Starbucks barristers?

31 Jan 2013 01:04 PM
kwame    [TotalFark]  
You mean stubbornly enrolling in a professional school for a career field that is completely saturated with qualified people, then doing nothing to separate yourself from the crowd means it's hard to get a job?  F*ck.  That's amazing.

31 Jan 2013 01:04 PM
xanadian    [TotalFark]  
Gee.  Fewer lawyers.  Whatever are we gonna do?

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31 Jan 2013 01:06 PM
mafiageek1980     
They (degree holders) become either a coffee shop drone or a call center drone. If they are dumb enough (like some members of my family)  they become a insurance drone.

/has a bachelors in Communications (speech, public speaking)
//no regrets about the degree, but was led to believe that I would get a decent paying job
///call center drone, but actually like the company/job

31 Jan 2013 01:06 PM
xanadian    [TotalFark]  

kwame: You mean stubbornly enrolling in a professional school for a career field that is completely saturated with qualified people, then doing nothing to separate yourself from the crowd means it's hard to get a job?  F*ck.  That's amazing.


Yeah, well, there's that, too.

31 Jan 2013 01:07 PM
Koalaesq     
In New Jersey, there is one attorney for every 108 people.

Note that this is NOT the worst thing about New Jersey, which is pretty sad.

31 Jan 2013 01:07 PM
cgraves67     
My brother is about to graduate from law school, so I'm getting a kick, etc.

31 Jan 2013 01:07 PM
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