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Theaetetus    [TotalFark]  

gja: Theaetetus: gja: So, you decided the expert doctors article I posted was, in your 'expert' opinion not clear enough or lacking in authoritative background?

... yes, and you didn't respond when I pointed out where it was not clear enough. Would you like to do so now?

Not clear enough? You are beyond dense then. I cannot help you if you lack the requisite cognitive ability to read a very clearly written article by an expert recognized on their field.


Hey, I understand that you can't address the error I pointed out in your article, but there's really no reason to resort to personal attacks, particularly since they only bring attention to your failure. It'd probably be better to just sneak out of the thread without posting, like so many others do.

I mean, obviously, better would be to admit that there's an error there and go out to find a clearer citation or another article that addresses it, but come on, who does that?

01 Aug 2013 04:38 PM
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FarkinHostile     

Theaetetus: They know a lot more today:
Circumcision Linked To Lower Prostate Cancer Risk Article Date: 12 Mar 2012 - 12:00 PST


Their findings that are published in the journal Cancer, say that it is not clear exactly why it helps reduce prostate cancer, perhaps due to cleanliness or the reduction in STD's....


So since you brought it up, if these studies are right, guess what else would reduce PROSTATE cancer?

Washing and condoms.

Gasp! You mean the same results can be obtained without unnecessary, dangerous SURGERY on a baby's penis? Say it ain't so!

I am seriously beginning the think you are a misandrist. You are absolutely rabid in defending womens rights but are all for non-consensual surgical alterations of boys genitals.

01 Aug 2013 04:39 PM
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gadian     
We're a pair of new fangled American parents that didn't go in for the circumcision package at birth.  In fact, the only person who asked about it was the nurse when I called to book his 3 month well baby visit.  I hope no one does wait until 3 months to have it done.  Every one else just naturally assumed we weren't doing it.  Anyhow, being of the female persuasion whose only experience is with circumcised men, I'm SOOO glad I'm not the one who is going to have to explain to the kid how to clean himself when it is able to retract.  Since the husband doesn't have the skin, I do wonder how he's going to broach the subject.

01 Aug 2013 04:40 PM
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FarkinHostile     

Theaetetus: Considering that you cherry picked two words in my earlier post to reply to and jump in with your outdated letter, I don't think you should really be throwing stones, y'know?



By cherry picking you mean utterly destroy your assertion that circumcision prevents penile and cervical cancer?

01 Aug 2013 04:41 PM
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Cucullen    [TotalFark]  

RockofAges: Peki: Rock of Ages, forgive the lack of quoting, but copy/pasta iPad sucks.

I've seen him clean it. He can move the skin around, just not pull it all the way back. Neither of us have had any unusual infections (I get a yeastie about once a year, but that's normal when I'm not on birth control). Sex is very pleasurable, just takes a lube, which again, is completely normal, since I tend to run on the dry side and will pop condoms if no lube is applied.

We have discussed getting it fixed. It appears it's simply a bit of fused skin on the underside that's preventing him, but we don't know if a doc would be willing to just snip the fuse or if they would insist on full circumcision. Again, we've been together four years, and there has been nothing unusual. No unusual taste, smell, nada. He's never had inflammation, and we both have tested negative for STDs the entire time we've been together. He's open to the idea, but honestly, why?

Again, just because the medical community goes "OMG we can't imagine how this could possibly be hygienic" doesn't mean it can't be, and since I'm quick to get UTIs and yeasties, I would know if there was a problem.

Peki: There is a large chance that the "fused skin on the underside" is just a normal part -- the frenulum. Again, it is simple "practice" that allows this to extend. If you have never been with another au naturelle man, you may not know the diffence. The general uncut male will be able to unsheathe at any time, with no problem. The frenulum remains attached to the back of the glans, and to the foreskin. It can be VERY tight (esp. as a boy -- who remembers, fellas?) but, as I said, over time and cleaning sessions this problem goes away, usually well before puberty.

It's good that you've had an open talk about it and I appreciate the candour. I would just sincerely recommend that you guys take SOME action on it because honestly, I don't think he realizes what COULD be if he can get the lolly all the way out there. It's just not fair! ;)

all the best.


Meh. All it takes is one long rough fun filled night and a bottle of whiskey sans condom and lube. Thats how i sorta remember it at least. He'll be a little sore maybe bleed a bit. But isn't that basically how it is for girls. Tell him to man up to the level of a teenage girl.

01 Aug 2013 04:42 PM
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A Terrible Human     
And now for obvious trolling

Uncircumcised dicks look like dog dicks.

01 Aug 2013 04:42 PM
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Ashyukun    [TotalFark]  

palestephie: I actually read this fark link/thread after happening upon The Atlantic article being discussed in the link.   The Atlantic article makes reference to the fact that most of the anti-circumcision crowd are actually women (the all-natural mom stereotype).  Why is this?  Why are dudes so okay with cutting stuff down there on a baby?  Esp like, guys that will even avoid taking scissors to that general region on themselves... (Yea you KNOW what I mean...)


The most common reason I seem to remember hearing is that the fathers themselves are cut- and want their sons to look like they do/not feel like they're 'strange' or 'different'...

01 Aug 2013 04:43 PM
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FarkinHostile     

A Terrible Human: And now for obvious trolling

Uncircumcised dicks look like dog dicks.


They don't taste the same, though.

01 Aug 2013 04:44 PM
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SuperChuck     

A Terrible Human: And now for obvious trolling

Uncircumcised dicks look like dog dicks.


I suppose you have experience with both to make that assertion?

01 Aug 2013 04:45 PM
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Oldiron_79     
So does someone have commemerative circumcision thread tutrlenecks?

01 Aug 2013 04:45 PM
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Theaetetus    [TotalFark]  

FarkinHostile: Theaetetus: Considering that you cherry picked two words in my earlier post to reply to and jump in with your outdated letter, I don't think you should really be throwing stones, y'know?


By cherry picking you mean utterly destroy your assertion that circumcision prevents penile and cervical cancer?


By cherry picking, I'm referring to the fact that I listed several different preventative features, and you selectively quoted to address only that one. You know, cherry picking.

Oh, and just for good measure, here's a 2011 study to counter your letter from two decades ago:
There was a strong protective effect of childhood/adolescent circumcision on invasive penile cancer (OR = 0.33; 95% CI 0.13-0.83; 3 studies).

01 Aug 2013 04:45 PM
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Fafai     

poot_rootbeer: Circumcision: unnecessary, largely harmless.

Can we be done with this debate now?


"Largely harmless." Interesting way to phrase that when you could more appropriately say "potentially harmful".

01 Aug 2013 04:47 PM
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stevetherobot     

gadian: We're a pair of new fangled American parents that didn't go in for the circumcision package at birth.  In fact, the only person who asked about it was the nurse when I called to book his 3 month well baby visit.  I hope no one does wait until 3 months to have it done.  Every one else just naturally assumed we weren't doing it.  Anyhow, being of the female persuasion whose only experience is with circumcised men, I'm SOOO glad I'm not the one who is going to have to explain to the kid how to clean himself when it is able to retract.  Since the husband doesn't have the skin, I do wonder how he's going to broach the subject.


I had the same issue and had to do some research on the web to learn what needed to be done. One thing I had no idea about is that the foreskin can't be fully retracted till he's about five years old. Just tell him matter of factly what he needs to do when you are teaching him to wash himself.

01 Aug 2013 04:47 PM
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palestephie     

SuperChuck: A Terrible Human: And now for obvious trolling

Uncircumcised dicks look like dog dicks.

I suppose you have experience with both to make that assertion?


Yep.  That was the joke.  Congrats to you for calling/ruining it.

01 Aug 2013 04:48 PM
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stevetherobot     

Ashyukun: palestephie: I actually read this fark link/thread after happening upon The Atlantic article being discussed in the link.   The Atlantic article makes reference to the fact that most of the anti-circumcision crowd are actually women (the all-natural mom stereotype).  Why is this?  Why are dudes so okay with cutting stuff down there on a baby?  Esp like, guys that will even avoid taking scissors to that general region on themselves... (Yea you KNOW what I mean...)

The most common reason I seem to remember hearing is that the fathers themselves are cut- and want their sons to look like they do/not feel like they're 'strange' or 'different'...


That's just weird.

01 Aug 2013 04:49 PM
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SuperChuck     

palestephie: SuperChuck: A Terrible Human: And now for obvious trolling

Uncircumcised dicks look like dog dicks.

I suppose you have experience with both to make that assertion?

Yep.  That was the joke.  Congrats to you for calling/ruining it.


Yeah, I'm good like that

01 Aug 2013 04:50 PM
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Theaetetus    [TotalFark]  
Oh, and from a 2002 study:
When the couples with men with 5 or fewer lifetime partners (40% of the study population) were excluded, there was a significantly reduced odds of cervical cancer in female partners of circumcised men compared with the female partners of uncircumcised men (OR, 0.42; 95% CI, 0.23-0.79).

Now, obviously, that one may not apply to Farkers, but it shouldn't be disregarded out of hand.

01 Aug 2013 04:51 PM
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dabbletech     
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01 Aug 2013 04:54 PM
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boyvoyeur     
And, of course, they carefully weighed their son's chances of receiving oral sex as an adult

I'd like to think of my parents as progressive, but I'm pretty sure this never came up when I was a baby

01 Aug 2013 04:58 PM
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FarkinHostile     

Theaetetus: FarkinHostile: Theaetetus: Considering that you cherry picked two words in my earlier post to reply to and jump in with your outdated letter, I don't think you should really be throwing stones, y'know?


By cherry picking you mean utterly destroy your assertion that circumcision prevents penile and cervical cancer?

By cherry picking, I'm referring to the fact that I listed several different preventative features, and you selectively quoted to address only that one. You know, cherry picking.

Oh, and just for good measure, here's a 2011 study to counter your letter from two decades ago:
There was a strong protective effect of childhood/adolescent circumcision on invasive penile cancer (OR = 0.33; 95% CI 0.13-0.83; 3 studies).



From your link:

Ecological evidence came from studies in East Africa in the 1960s which showed that penile cancer was more common than expected in traditionally non-circumcising ethnic groups than among traditionally circumcising ethnic groups...

Although male circumcision is widely sited to protect against penile cancer, the epidemiological evidence has never been systematically evaluated.

The sound you hear is everyone on this thread laughing in your face.

Be honest, you don't even read the links, do you? You google quickly, then when you find something you THINK backs your position, you post it. These Sub-Saharan African studies, funded by religious groups, are so not applicable to the west it's not funny, but some nitwit always breaks them out in these threads.

Don't bother linking any more studies from the 1960s in Africa. You've already shown how worthless they, and you, are. 

Anyway, the fight against this barbaric practice is being won. The cure searching for a disease that is circumcision is rapidly dying out in civilized nations.

Thank dog.

01 Aug 2013 05:02 PM
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8Fingers     

kvinesknows: 8Fingers: I for one am damn glad I am circumcised. It is very nice looking that way. I have received numerous compliments from women, I have had sex with, on how nice it is. Some have called it the most beautiful c*ck they have ever had the pleasure to be with.

your mom (and mine) dont count


My Mom said it reminded her of Dad. Your Mom said it was better than your Dad's and your's.

01 Aug 2013 05:03 PM
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beer4breakfast     

Barricaded Gunman: beer4breakfast: Girls who won't give head to an uncircumcised guy don't enjoy doing it enough to do that well of a job anyway.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha....  I know for a fact that this is wrong.

But please, continue to enjoy your creepy-looking penis.


I keep telling you man, your mom isn't as good as you think she is.

01 Aug 2013 05:03 PM
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gja    [TotalFark]  

Theaetetus: gja: gja: Theaetetus: HairBolus: I will take the arguments for male circumcision seriously once they also are applied to female circumcision. (no not clitorectomy and/or infibulation, just complete removal of the clitoral hood and labia minor because it "makes everything cleaner and neater").

I'm not sure how you make arguments about reduced incidences of penile cancer or cervical cancer in partners, UTIs, reduced risk of HIV transmission, and absence of phimosis apply to female circumcision. Do you have any suggestions?

/you thought the only arguments were cosmetic?

Yeah, about that....LINKY

/shot to hell, that argument is

Article in tiny print (to save space) please enlarge as needed.

"Phimosis is as common in circumcised newborns as it is in boys who are not circumcised."

I think that one needs a citation, seeing as how phimosis is when the foreskin can't be retracted.

If this is what you're pointing to as shooting the AAP's stance "to hell", you're going to need better aim. AAP's position is more recent, too:
Specific benefits from male circumcision were identified for the prevention of urinary tract infections, acquisition of HIV, transmission of some sexually transmitted infections, and penile cancer. Male circumcision does not appear to adversely affect penile sexual function/sensitivity or sexual satisfaction.

And from here, there's a 76% reduction in transmission of HIV.

Incidentally, another study noted that phimosis correlates with a 12-fold increase in risk of penile cancer... Peki, you might want to look into that with your fiance.


The AAP's article has no quantitative measures showing their math and regimen, so I find that a tremendously inadequate article.
No numbers=weak conclusion.

The OTHER article used a sampling from only 1 place, BY THEIR ADMISSION!
RE:"They offered young, sexually active, heterosexual, uncircumcised men in Johannesburg, South Africa, the chance to have the operation"
I don't live there, and neither does the rest of the world, so again....FAILURE.

01 Aug 2013 05:07 PM
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vygramul    [TotalFark]  
The important question is:

Is George Zimmerman circumcised?

01 Aug 2013 05:07 PM
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gja    [TotalFark]  

vygramul: The important question is:

Is George Zimmerman circumcised?


Only 1 person we all know got that close to him, and he aint talkin.


/i know, i know....hell, bus, aisle seat, blah blah blah

01 Aug 2013 05:09 PM
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Magnanimous_J     

deplorable: americans have an opinion on the rest of the world.

amusing.


You are using electricity and the internet and the english language.

You're welcome.

01 Aug 2013 05:10 PM
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Loki009    [TotalFark]  

dopekitty74: Guys with foreskins are a lot easier to get off when giving them head, so girls that don't enjoy would be better off doing it to those ones.  IME the guys who are circumsized take FOREVER to cum


How does this correlation relate to non oral sex. I would think that this would be a selling point?

01 Aug 2013 05:11 PM
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8Fingers     

FarkinHostile: A Terrible Human: And now for obvious trolling

Uncircumcised dicks look like dog dicks.

They don't taste the same, though.


Nice......

01 Aug 2013 05:11 PM
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gja    [TotalFark]  

Magnanimous_J: deplorable: americans have an opinion on the rest of the world.

amusing.

You are using electricity and the internet and the english language.

You're welcome.


Yeah, but we borrowed our language from the Brits. No?

At least we DID invent the innernets/intertubes

01 Aug 2013 05:12 PM
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gja    [TotalFark]  

8Fingers: FarkinHostile: A Terrible Human: And now for obvious trolling

Uncircumcised dicks look like dog dicks.

They don't taste the same, though.

Nice......


Man, that's ruff

/i'll be in my lab

01 Aug 2013 05:13 PM
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Mike Chewbacca     
Theaetetus, you're flailing. I tend to agree with you on pretty much everything you say, but this time you're wrong and your citations suck. And I'd like to point out that the standard treatment for phimosis nowadays isn't a circumcision, it's a topical steroidal cream applied for a few weeks. Also, "Phimosis usually occurs in uncircumcised males but can occur after circumcision where any excessive skin becomes sclerotic." It only occurs in 0.6% of boys under 15 in the UK, a country with a very low circumcision rate. And correlation does not equal causation regarding cancer prevention.

01 Aug 2013 05:15 PM
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kvinesknows     

8Fingers: kvinesknows: 8Fingers: I for one am damn glad I am circumcised. It is very nice looking that way. I have received numerous compliments from women, I have had sex with, on how nice it is. Some have called it the most beautiful c*ck they have ever had the pleasure to be with.

your mom (and mine) dont count

My Mom said it reminded her of Dad. Your Mom said it was better than your Dad's and your's.


pfft...  I doubt its better then my Dads.

01 Aug 2013 05:17 PM
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eggrolls     

RockofAges: Magnanimous_J: Like a little dude doesn't have enough to worry about in the world without growing up anxious that his dingus is weird looking.

And yes, if I were the new father of a boy, I would do everything in my power to ensure that one day, the ladies would be more than willing to give the old snake a smooch. It's called being a good parent.

It's only "weird looking" if you alter it. Seriously, boys are born with foreskins protecting their penis. After surgical alteration (I also find it amusing that Americans think the rest of the Western world follows their lead -- they don't, Canada is largely abandoning the process entirely except for (surprise: conservative, deep-south wannabe Alberta)) to fit in with the rest of the surgically altered ones?

I dunno, I don't really care one way or the other but when this debate comes up you know you're either talking to a Muslim or an American. It's a dead giveaway in Canuckia, land of the flapping free.


Uh..nope. Over 50% still in favor, up to 85% if dad is cut. And the CPS just charged their position from negative to doesn't-hurt-anybody-might-even-help neutral, just like the various American doctors associations.

http://o.canada.com/2013/03/03/canad as-pediatricians-set-to-reveal-n ew -policy-on-circumcision/  

Look deeper than Wikipedia next time.

01 Aug 2013 05:18 PM
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digitalrain     

teenytinycornteeth: D'oh! The gif didn't work.
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 500x210]


How do you know he's uncut?

01 Aug 2013 05:18 PM
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FarkinHostile     

Mike Chewbacca: Theaetetus, you're flailing. I tend to agree with you on pretty much everything you say



Pay closer attention to his posts and style in the future and that will change. I've been on the same side in few threads, and was embarrassed after it was all said and done.

Intellectually dishonest is putting it nicely.

01 Aug 2013 05:19 PM
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dopekitty74     

Loki009: dopekitty74: Guys with foreskins are a lot easier to get off when giving them head, so girls that don't enjoy would be better off doing it to those ones.  IME the guys who are circumsized take FOREVER to cum

How does this correlation relate to non oral sex. I would think that this would be a selling point?


Indeed. I view head as foreplay anyhow. It gets me going bigtime, then i just wanna get farked..

01 Aug 2013 05:19 PM
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serial arseonist     
There are, you know, medical reasons to get it done.
Medically NSFW


orclover: I never understood why people thought cleaning your fully functional penis was a chore.  Hell its my favorite part of taking a shower:D  So much fun I had to include my wife in on the party.  The one eyed anaconda is so clean some weeks that its actually shiny.

Sure it adds a minute (or 30 if you got the alone time) to taking a shower, but there is not a strait or gay man alive who wont set aside a few minutes a day for his dick, right fellas?  Thats a universal truth amongst all men no matter their preferences in other people, we love our dick and our dicks two hairy friends.  Taking care of our dicks  and keeping them healthy is not a damn chore.  Its a god damn honor.


images.sodahead.com

01 Aug 2013 05:20 PM
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JesseL     

Ashyukun: palestephie: I actually read this fark link/thread after happening upon The Atlantic article being discussed in the link.   The Atlantic article makes reference to the fact that most of the anti-circumcision crowd are actually women (the all-natural mom stereotype).  Why is this?  Why are dudes so okay with cutting stuff down there on a baby?  Esp like, guys that will even avoid taking scissors to that general region on themselves... (Yea you KNOW what I mean...)

The most common reason I seem to remember hearing is that the fathers themselves are cut- and want their sons to look like they do/not feel like they're 'strange' or 'different'...


My wife asked me about that (I'm cut) when she was pregnant and we were discussing whether or not to have our son circumcised.

I told her that I couldn't care less whether his penis looks like mine and the very idea that any father would is beyond creepy. I also mentioned that if he ever questioned it, an honest explanation is very simple.

01 Aug 2013 05:24 PM
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Loki009    [TotalFark]  

dopekitty74: Loki009: dopekitty74: Guys with foreskins are a lot easier to get off when giving them head, so girls that don't enjoy would be better off doing it to those ones.  IME the guys who are circumsized take FOREVER to cum

How does this correlation relate to non oral sex. I would think that this would be a selling point?

Indeed. I view head as foreplay anyhow. It gets me going bigtime, then i just wanna get farked..


Yeah. I'm uncut and the only times I've ever had any "issues" in that department was when the woman was treating it as a chore. Seem like you are enjoying it and actually paying attention and you are in control of how long it takes.

I can't speak to being uncut as I've always been but I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything.

01 Aug 2013 05:25 PM
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Theaetetus    [TotalFark]  

FarkinHostile: Theaetetus: FarkinHostile: Theaetetus: Considering that you cherry picked two words in my earlier post to reply to and jump in with your outdated letter, I don't think you should really be throwing stones, y'know?


By cherry picking you mean utterly destroy your assertion that circumcision prevents penile and cervical cancer?

By cherry picking, I'm referring to the fact that I listed several different preventative features, and you selectively quoted to address only that one. You know, cherry picking.

Oh, and just for good measure, here's a 2011 study to counter your letter from two decades ago:
There was a strong protective effect of childhood/adolescent circumcision on invasive penile cancer (OR = 0.33; 95% CI 0.13-0.83; 3 studies).


From your link:

Ecological evidence came from studies in East Africa in the 1960s which showed that penile cancer was more common than expected in traditionally non-circumcising ethnic groups than among traditionally circumcising ethnic groups...

Although male circumcision is widely sited to protect against penile cancer, the epidemiological evidence has never been systematically evaluated.

The sound you hear is everyone on this thread laughing in your face.

Be honest, you don't even read the links, do you? You google quickly, then when you find something you THINK backs your position, you post it. These Sub-Saharan African studies, funded by religious groups, are so not applicable to the west it's not funny, but some nitwit always breaks them out in these threads.

Don't bother linking any more studies from the 1960s in Africa. You've already shown how worthless they, and you, are.


What's amusing is that you apparently scanned through the study, saw "Africa" and immediately posted the above, without actually realizing that it's not about a "religious Sub-Saharan African study, funded by religious groups".

From the Study:
Description of eligible papersThe eight papers evaluating the effect of circumcision on penile cancer included one cross-sectional study and seven case-control studies (Table 1). Study populations were from Europe (n = 4), the United States (n = 3), and China (n = 1).


Let me just repeat that:
Study populations were from Europe (n = 4), the United States (n = 3), and China (n = 1).

Now you:
These Sub-Saharan African studies, funded by religious groups, are so not applicable to the west it's not funny, but some nitwit always breaks them out in these threads.
Don't bother linking any more studies from the 1960s in Africa.


Now it again:
Europe (n = 4), the United States (n = 3), and China (n = 1)

Now you again:
Be honest, you don't even read the links, do you? You google quickly, then when you find something you THINK backs your position, you post it.

Enough said.

01 Aug 2013 05:27 PM
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Ed Grubermann    [TotalFark]  

ChipNASA: FUMUNDA CHEEZE


Take a farking shower! Is basic hygiene really that hard to understand?

01 Aug 2013 05:27 PM
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JesseL     

serial arseonist: orclover: I never understood why people thought cleaning your fully functional penis was a chore.  Hell its my favorite part of taking a shower:D  So much fun I had to include my wife in on the party.  The one eyed anaconda is so clean some weeks that its actually shiny.

Sure it adds a minute (or 30 if you got the alone time) to taking a shower, but there is not a strait or gay man alive who wont set aside a few minutes a day for his dick, right fellas?  Thats a universal truth amongst all men no matter their preferences in other people, we love our dick and our dicks two hairy friends.  Taking care of our dicks  and keeping them healthy is not a damn chore.  Its a god damn honor.

images.sodahead.com 

You are either female or:
i140.photobucket.com

Any guy who has one will damned well make time.

01 Aug 2013 05:28 PM
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8Fingers     

kvinesknows: 8Fingers: kvinesknows: 8Fingers: I for one am damn glad I am circumcised. It is very nice looking that way. I have received numerous compliments from women, I have had sex with, on how nice it is. Some have called it the most beautiful c*ck they have ever had the pleasure to be with.

your mom (and mine) dont count

My Mom said it reminded her of Dad. Your Mom said it was better than your Dad's and your's.

pfft...  I doubt its better then my Dads.


To each their own. If you like your Dads the way it is, more power to you. Who am I to judge?

01 Aug 2013 05:29 PM
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Theaetetus    [TotalFark]  

Mike Chewbacca: Theaetetus, you're flailing. I tend to agree with you on pretty much everything you say, but this time you're wrong and your citations suck.


I really hope you aren't basing that on FarkinHostile's post. ^.^

And I'd like to point out that the standard treatment for phimosis nowadays isn't a circumcision, it's a topical steroidal cream applied for a few weeks. Also, "Phimosis usually occurs in uncircumcised males but can occur after circumcision where any excessive skin becomes sclerotic." It only occurs in 0.6% of boys under 15 in the UK, a country with a very low circumcision rate. And correlation does not equal causation regarding cancer prevention.

Sure, but then again, we don't really have much in the way of causation for cancer prevention. Statistical correlations are the best we have to go on for a lot of this stuff, and the statistical correlation is clear - circumcision is correlated with reduced risk of a whole bunch of this stuff.

As for "flailing", realize something that a lot of other people in this thread have missed - I'm not actually advocating for circumcision any more than I'm advocating against it. I'm contradicting the false claims that there's no benefit. There seems to be a benefit, just as there seems to be some risks. It's up to families and physicians to weigh those benefits and risks and decide for themselves, and that decision shouldn't be clouded by a bunch of false information spread in places like this.

01 Aug 2013 05:30 PM
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gja    [TotalFark]  

8Fingers: kvinesknows: 8Fingers: kvinesknows: 8Fingers: I for one am damn glad I am circumcised. It is very nice looking that way. I have received numerous compliments from women, I have had sex with, on how nice it is. Some have called it the most beautiful c*ck they have ever had the pleasure to be with.

your mom (and mine) dont count

My Mom said it reminded her of Dad. Your Mom said it was better than your Dad's and your's.

pfft...  I doubt its better then my Dads.

To each their own. If you like your Dads the way it is, more power to you. Who am I to judge?


Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

01 Aug 2013 05:31 PM
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FarkinHostile     
eggrolls:
Uh..nope. Over 50% still in favor, up to 85% if dad is cut. And the CPS just charged their position from negative to doesn't-hurt-anybody-might-even-help neutral, just like the various American doctors associations.

http://o.canada.com/2013/03/03/canada s-pediatricians-set-to-reveal-n ew -policy-on-circumcision/


FTFA, a summary:

"At the end of the day . . .  it will very much be influenced by dad's status, as well as the cultural and religious issues."

Not medical.

In other words:

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Is ALL good.

Jesus Wept.

I'm out. Have a great night.

01 Aug 2013 05:33 PM
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Theaetetus    [TotalFark]  

FarkinHostile: I'm out

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Probably your best way to save face at this point, yes.

01 Aug 2013 05:36 PM
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RockofAges     

eggrolls: RockofAges: Magnanimous_J: Like a little dude doesn't have enough to worry about in the world without growing up anxious that his dingus is weird looking.

And yes, if I were the new father of a boy, I would do everything in my power to ensure that one day, the ladies would be more than willing to give the old snake a smooch. It's called being a good parent.

It's only "weird looking" if you alter it. Seriously, boys are born with foreskins protecting their penis. After surgical alteration (I also find it amusing that Americans think the rest of the Western world follows their lead -- they don't, Canada is largely abandoning the process entirely except for (surprise: conservative, deep-south wannabe Alberta)) to fit in with the rest of the surgically altered ones?

I dunno, I don't really care one way or the other but when this debate comes up you know you're either talking to a Muslim or an American. It's a dead giveaway in Canuckia, land of the flapping free.

Uh..nope. Over 50% still in favor, up to 85% if dad is cut. And the CPS just charged their position from negative to doesn't-hurt-anybody-might-even-help neutral, just like the various American doctors associations.

http://o.canada.com/2013/03/03/canada s-pediatricians-set-to-reveal-n ew -policy-on-circumcision/  

Look deeper than Wikipedia next time.


Sorry, eggrolls. I actually live here. It's not rare to be circumcised by any means, but certainly nowhere near the prevalence of the USA (and falling, sharply, like I said outside of the "wannabe USA" provinces).

Also, read your own farking article, brah.

"
The new statement is expected to be more neutral.

"There isn't going to be a 'prescription' for Canadian males in terms of circumcision," society president Dr. Richard Stanwick, chief medical health officer for the Vancouver Island Health Authority, told Postmedia News.

The organization has been struggling to put forward a balanced position "that captures the risks, and the benefits, but is also respectful of personal preferences, religious issues and many other things that dictate this decision," Stanwick said."
 -=-=- AND

"

"It would be great if we had absolute answers, but on this one, I don't think we will," Stanwick said.

"At the end of the day . . .  it will very much be influenced by dad's status, as well as the cultural and religious issues."

A new study found that the circumcision rates are heavily influenced by whether or not the father is circumcised.

University of Saskatchewan researchers, in a study published in the journal

Overall, half - 56 per cent - said they would consider pursuing circumcision if they had a son. In cases where the father of the expected baby was circumcised, 82 per cent were in favour of circumcision, versus 15 per cent when the father wasn't circumcised.

According to the researchers, Canada's current circumcision rate is 32 per cent. In the U.S., rates are increasing, to 61 per cent of men, they said.
"

-=-=-

So, over 2/3rds of Canadian men are au naturelle, with a huge boom in circumcision in conservative provinces (Alberta, Prairies, mixed ONT / BC) and almost nonexistent in the rest of Canada by comparison to the USA.

Also, the CPS is revising their position, as they admit, because of "cultural and religious beliefs" and the need to appear more tolerant of decisions to circumcise due to political / cultural pressure from these various groups.

Also, note that dads who are cut often feel some strange need to do it to their own sons. This does seem a bit strange to those of us who have never thought about taking a scalpel to remove a fully functional and biologically natural part of our bodies to our infant sons. I personally think that there is a lot of deep seated body image issues going on there in tandem with the religious / traditional angle.

01 Aug 2013 05:38 PM
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FarkinHostile     

Theaetetus: FarkinHostile: I'm out.

Probably your best way to save face at this point, yes.


You are not fooling anyone.

Well, perhaps yourself, but who cares.

01 Aug 2013 05:41 PM
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JesseL     

Theaetetus: Mike Chewbacca: Theaetetus, you're flailing. I tend to agree with you on pretty much everything you say, but this time you're wrong and your citations suck.

I really hope you aren't basing that on FarkinHostile's post. ^.^

And I'd like to point out that the standard treatment for phimosis nowadays isn't a circumcision, it's a topical steroidal cream applied for a few weeks. Also, "Phimosis usually occurs in uncircumcised males but can occur after circumcision where any excessive skin becomes sclerotic." It only occurs in 0.6% of boys under 15 in the UK, a country with a very low circumcision rate. And correlation does not equal causation regarding cancer prevention.

Sure, but then again, we don't really have much in the way of causation for cancer prevention. Statistical correlations are the best we have to go on for a lot of this stuff, and the statistical correlation is clear - circumcision is correlated with reduced risk of a whole bunch of this stuff.

As for "flailing", realize something that a lot of other people in this thread have missed - I'm not actually advocating for circumcision any more than I'm advocating against it. I'm contradicting the false claims that there's no benefit. There seems to be a benefit, just as there seems to be some risks. It's up to families and physicians to weigh those benefits and risks and decide for themselves, and that decision shouldn't be clouded by a bunch of false information spread in places like this.


There may be benefits to circumcision. The big issue that you seem to be deliberately ignoring is that you can get far more benefit without surgery just by doing things like using condoms and having decent hygiene.

If you want to live like a stray dog, living in filth and farking everything with a pulse without protection then maybe circumcision is a good call for you.

For parents looking at whether to have their infant sons circumcised, it's probably wiser to give them a little practical knowledge about how to stay clean and healthy over having their genitals surgically altered.

01 Aug 2013 05:41 PM
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