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The My Little Pony Killer     
"Based on this meeting and discussion by our team, the decision was made that Anthony is currently not a transplant candidate due to having a history of noncompliance, which is one of our center's contraindications to listing for heart transplant," the hospital said in a letter to Stokes' family.
Due to a lack of donors, hospitals have strict guidelines for who can receive an organ. Noncompliance generally refers to patients who refuse to take medications or fail to show up to clinic visits. But Stokes' family says the teen is considered noncompliant in part because of his low grades and trouble with the law.


He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

12 Aug 2013 10:30 PM
IntertubeUser     

The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?


I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.

12 Aug 2013 10:40 PM
Relatively Obscure    [TotalFark]  
Or the family is making shiat up because they're understandably desperate and frustrated.

12 Aug 2013 10:47 PM
The My Little Pony Killer     

IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.


I don't think that somebody who does take their meds and show up for clinic visits should have to miss out on a heart over somebody who won't bother to do either one. And irresponsibility has been killing teenagers for as long as there have been teenagers.

12 Aug 2013 10:50 PM
xlbrooklyn    [TotalFark]  
As someone who's also been through the "will he? or won't he?" test (and passed), I can say that doctors are VERY concerned that their transplant patients will be absolutely compliant with the prescribed medications, therapies, clinic visits, etc post-transplant, or else the organ (and patient) will suffer decline and die.  A wasted organ in a landscape of scarcity is unacceptable.  So YES - it's perfectly understandable to take a good hard look at a patient's history of compliance - both generally in life and specifically medical - to factor in to whether or not they receive a transplant.  I've known two patients who were booted from the lung transplant program because they didn't attend the educational seminars (as required).  They eventually reformed and were accepted back in.  If this kid can maybe knuckle down, get his grades up, stop hanging out with the wrong crowd (or whatever the hell it is he's been doing), he may show enough self-discipline that the transplant team will take a chance on him.

12 Aug 2013 10:56 PM
xlbrooklyn    [TotalFark]  
Momma says RIGHT IN THE VIDEO "...because he wouldn't take his meds...."

12 Aug 2013 11:03 PM
Gwendolyn    [TotalFark]  

IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.


You would still eventually need a donor heart and not qualifying for it now for that reason will still be unqualified for it later. Especially if he is in need of a transplant because he wouldn't take his medication, Getting a transplant isn't something you can wait 5 years or so until you pull your head out of your butt and realize you need to follow doctor's advice. It sucks but why give this kid a heart and be back here needing another transplant in a year or two if someone else who would take great care of it dies on the list?

For kids they generally look at the parents too. Whatever they saw there wasn't any better than the kid.

12 Aug 2013 11:16 PM
Amos Quito     

IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.



"Mere irresponsibility" has resulted in the death of many a teenager.


/Darwin insists

12 Aug 2013 11:25 PM
IntertubeUser     

Gwendolyn: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.

You would still eventually need a donor heart and not qualifying for it now for that reason will still be unqualified for it later. Especially if he is in need of a transplant because he wouldn't take his medication, Getting a transplant isn't something you can wait 5 years or so until you pull your head out of your butt and realize you need to follow doctor's advice. It sucks but why give this kid a heart and be back here needing another transplant in a year or two if someone else who would take great care of it dies on the list?

For kids they generally look at the parents too. Whatever they saw there wasn't any better than the kid.


But the operative word here is "kid."

I'm not saying that he should get a human heart ahead of anyone else, especially another kid who meets the criteria.  All I'm saying is that there should be some sort of Plan B here, such as an artificial heart.

12 Aug 2013 11:34 PM
The My Little Pony Killer     

IntertubeUser: Gwendolyn: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.

You would still eventually need a donor heart and not qualifying for it now for that reason will still be unqualified for it later. Especially if he is in need of a transplant because he wouldn't take his medication, Getting a transplant isn't something you can wait 5 years or so until you pull your head out of your butt and realize you need to follow doctor's advice. It sucks but why give this kid a heart and be back here needing another transplant in a year or two if someone else who would take great care of it dies on the list?

For kids they generally look at the parents too. Whatever they saw there wasn't any better than the kid.

But the operative word here is "kid."

I'm not saying that he should get a human heart ahead of anyone else, especially another kid who meets the criteria.  All I'm saying is that there should be some sort of Plan B here, such as an artificial heart.


What about the kids who take their medications? Why should they get bumped further down the list for one who won't?

12 Aug 2013 11:35 PM
IntertubeUser     

The My Little Pony Killer: IntertubeUser: Gwendolyn: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.

You would still eventually need a donor heart and not qualifying for it now for that reason will still be unqualified for it later. Especially if he is in need of a transplant because he wouldn't take his medication, Getting a transplant isn't something you can wait 5 years or so until you pull your head out of your butt and realize you need to follow doctor's advice. It sucks but why give this kid a heart and be back here needing another transplant in a year or two if someone else who would take great care of it dies on the list?

For kids they generally look at the parents too. Whatever they saw there wasn't any better than the kid.

But the operative word here is "kid."

I'm not saying that he should get a human heart ahead of anyone else, especially another kid who meets the criteria.  All I'm saying is that there should be some sort of Plan B here, such as an artificial heart.

What about the kids who take their medications? Why should they get bumped further down the list for one who won't?


No.  Please re-read my post.

12 Aug 2013 11:46 PM
The My Little Pony Killer     

IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: IntertubeUser: Gwendolyn: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.

You would still eventually need a donor heart and not qualifying for it now for that reason will still be unqualified for it later. Especially if he is in need of a transplant because he wouldn't take his medication, Getting a transplant isn't something you can wait 5 years or so until you pull your head out of your butt and realize you need to follow doctor's advice. It sucks but why give this kid a heart and be back here needing another transplant in a year or two if someone else who would take great care of it dies on the list?

For kids they generally look at the parents too. Whatever they saw there wasn't any better than the kid.

But the operative word here is "kid."

I'm not saying that he should get a human heart ahead of anyone else, especially another kid who meets the criteria.  All I'm saying is that there should be some sort of Plan B here, such as an artificial heart.

What about the kids who take their medications? Why should they get bumped further down the list for one who won't?

No.  Please re-read my post.


I did read your post. The fact of the matter is the kid you are defending has a history of not taking his meds. I'm sure there are other children on that list who do take their meds. Why should they have to be bumped further down the list in favor of somebody who refuses to take care of the body they already have?

12 Aug 2013 11:49 PM
shanrick    [TotalFark]  
not a transplant candidate due to having a history of noncompliance
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12 Aug 2013 11:50 PM
TuteTibiImperes    [TotalFark]  

IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: IntertubeUser: Gwendolyn: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.

You would still eventually need a donor heart and not qualifying for it now for that reason will still be unqualified for it later. Especially if he is in need of a transplant because he wouldn't take his medication, Getting a transplant isn't something you can wait 5 years or so until you pull your head out of your butt and realize you need to follow doctor's advice. It sucks but why give this kid a heart and be back here needing another transplant in a year or two if someone else who would take great care of it dies on the list?

For kids they generally look at the parents too. Whatever they saw there wasn't any better than the kid.

But the operative word here is "kid."

I'm not saying that he should get a human heart ahead of anyone else, especially another kid who meets the criteria.  All I'm saying is that there should be some sort of Plan B here, such as an artificial heart.

What about the kids who take their medications? Why should they get bumped further down the list for one who won't?

No.  Please re-read my post.


Are artificial hearts feasible in all patients, or do they only work in certain conditions?  There could be medical issues why it wouldn't work, or maybe it's something that doctors are considering and that didn't make it into the tiny blurb of an article.  Who knows, it's beyond the scope of what we know.

12 Aug 2013 11:52 PM
HotWingAgenda    [TotalFark]  
But Stokes' family says the teen is considered noncompliant in part because of his low grades and trouble with the law.

Y'know when you're drinking with your friends and someone poses the hypothetical of whether you would donate an organ to a convicted criminal? Looks like we have a definitive answer.

13 Aug 2013 12:05 AM
Fark It    [TotalFark]  

IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.


The problem is that there aren't enough spare hearts to go around, and it's up to transplant boards to attach objective criteria to highly emotionally-charged situations.  There are probably other teenagers on the list who are good students and responsible citizens, who are less likely to waste the gift they've been lucky enough to receive.

13 Aug 2013 12:06 AM
IntertubeUser     

The My Little Pony Killer: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: IntertubeUser: Gwendolyn: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.

You would still eventually need a donor heart and not qualifying for it now for that reason will still be unqualified for it later. Especially if he is in need of a transplant because he wouldn't take his medication, Getting a transplant isn't something you can wait 5 years or so until you pull your head out of your butt and realize you need to follow doctor's advice. It sucks but why give this kid a heart and be back here needing another transplant in a year or two if someone else who would take great care of it dies on the list?

For kids they generally look at the parents too. Whatever they saw there wasn't any better than the kid.

But the operative word here is "kid."

I'm not saying that he should get a human heart ahead of anyone else, especially another kid who meets the criteria.  All I'm saying is that there should be some sort of Plan B here, such as an artificial heart.

What about the kids who take their medications? Why should they get bumped further down the list for one who won't?

No.  Please re-read my post.

I did read your post. The fact of the matter is the kid you are defending has a history of not taking his meds. I'm sure there are other children on that list who do take their meds. Why should they have to be bumped further down the list in favor of somebody who refuses to take care of the body they already have?


Then you missed where I wrote, "I'm not saying that he should get a human heart ahead of anyone else, especially another kid who meets the criteria."

No one should get bumped down a list.

I'll type slower for ya next time.

13 Aug 2013 12:08 AM
The My Little Pony Killer     

IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: IntertubeUser: Gwendolyn: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.

You would still eventually need a donor heart and not qualifying for it now for that reason will still be unqualified for it later. Especially if he is in need of a transplant because he wouldn't take his medication, Getting a transplant isn't something you can wait 5 years or so until you pull your head out of your butt and realize you need to follow doctor's advice. It sucks but why give this kid a heart and be back here needing another transplant in a year or two if someone else who would take great care of it dies on the list?

For kids they generally look at the parents too. Whatever they saw there wasn't any better than the kid.

But the operative word here is "kid."

I'm not saying that he should get a human heart ahead of anyone else, especially another kid who meets the criteria.  All I'm saying is that there should be some sort of Plan B here, such as an artificial heart.

What about the kids who take their medications? Why should they get bumped further down the list for one who won't?

No.  Please re-read my post.

I did read your post. The fact of the matter is the kid you are defending has a history of not taking his meds. I'm sure there are other children on that list who do take their meds. Why should they have to be bumped further down the list in favor of somebody who refuses to take care of the body they already have?

Then you missed where I wrote, "I'm not saying that he should get a human h ...


Okay, so why should a kid who won't take care of his body get to have TWO surgeries?

13 Aug 2013 12:11 AM
cman     
I wonder if there is anything more than this.

Low grades and trouble with the law does not sound like anything legally plausible for denial of transplants. The hospital, likewise, deals with issues of patient confidentiality, so their comment was meant to be neutral sounding as possible.

Someone is lying. But who?

13 Aug 2013 12:20 AM
IntertubeUser     

The My Little Pony Killer: Okay, so why should a kid who won't take care of his body get to have TWO surgeries?


Because we live in a gotdamned civilized society, where the life of a human actually matters (or it should).  That's why.

Now, if this KID needs to be put in a home with guardians who'll ram the medicine down his pie hole for him, then so be it.  But letting a KID die because he's an idiot or irresponsible is bullshiat.

13 Aug 2013 12:23 AM
cman     

IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: Okay, so why should a kid who won't take care of his body get to have TWO surgeries?

Because we live in a gotdamned civilized society, where the life of a human actually matters (or it should).  That's why.

Now, if this KID needs to be put in a home with guardians who'll ram the medicine down his pie hole for him, then so be it.  But letting a KID die because he's an idiot or irresponsible is bullshiat.


You can't help everyone.

These organs are not something that they have a farkload of. Its nothing like that. The reason why they have these lists is to come up with a filter. because there are too many people and not enough organs. I am sorry, but why make an exception for him? He didn't follow the rules.

13 Aug 2013 12:27 AM
The My Little Pony Killer     

IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: Okay, so why should a kid who won't take care of his body get to have TWO surgeries?

Because we live in a gotdamned civilized society, where the life of a human actually matters (or it should).  That's why.

Now, if this KID needs to be put in a home with guardians who'll ram the medicine down his pie hole for him, then so be it.  But letting a KID die because he's an idiot or irresponsible is bullshiat.


Oh my god. Think about all the other KIDS you're willing to push further down a list in favor of the one KID who refuses to take his medication or take care of his body.

Yes, I get it, you think that children are all innocent and pure and need to be protected at any cost, but you are honestly a selfish jerk if you can't consider, for one second, all of the other KIDS who are trying to take care of themselves and who put in the effort to do simple things like TAKE THE MEDICATIONS THEY NEED TO LIVE and SHOW UP TO THE APPOINTMENTS THEY SCHEDULE.

Why should society put any more time and effort than they already have into somebody who is clearly not interested in the life they do have?

13 Aug 2013 12:27 AM
cman     

cman: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: Okay, so why should a kid who won't take care of his body get to have TWO surgeries?

Because we live in a gotdamned civilized society, where the life of a human actually matters (or it should).  That's why.

Now, if this KID needs to be put in a home with guardians who'll ram the medicine down his pie hole for him, then so be it.  But letting a KID die because he's an idiot or irresponsible is bullshiat.

You can't help everyone.

These organs are not something that they have a farkload of. Its nothing like that. The reason why they have these lists is to come up with a filter because there are too many people and not enough organs. I am sorry, but why make an exception for him? He didn't follow the rules.


Whoops, misplaced period. Fixt

13 Aug 2013 12:28 AM
Boojum2k     

cman: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: Okay, so why should a kid who won't take care of his body get to have TWO surgeries?

Because we live in a gotdamned civilized society, where the life of a human actually matters (or it should).  That's why.

Now, if this KID needs to be put in a home with guardians who'll ram the medicine down his pie hole for him, then so be it.  But letting a KID die because he's an idiot or irresponsible is bullshiat.

You can't help everyone.

These organs are not something that they have a farkload of. Its nothing like that. The reason why they have these lists is to come up with a filter. because there are too many people and not enough organs. I am sorry, but why make an exception for him? He didn't follow the rules.


Pretty much this. Still sucks, but AFAIK they don't have enough donor organs for those who meet all criteria.

13 Aug 2013 12:33 AM
IntertubeUser     

cman: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: Okay, so why should a kid who won't take care of his body get to have TWO surgeries?

Because we live in a gotdamned civilized society, where the life of a human actually matters (or it should).  That's why.

Now, if this KID needs to be put in a home with guardians who'll ram the medicine down his pie hole for him, then so be it.  But letting a KID die because he's an idiot or irresponsible is bullshiat.

You can't help everyone.

These organs are not something that they have a farkload of. Its nothing like that. The reason why they have these lists is to come up with a filter. because there are too many people and not enough organs. I am sorry, but why make an exception for him? He didn't follow the rules.


I wasn't saying to give him an organ.  I was wondering why an artificial heart wasn't an option here.

13 Aug 2013 12:36 AM
HotWingAgenda    [TotalFark]  

cman: Someone is lying. But who?


Consider who stands to gain the most from making a big fuss with the press. There's your answer.

13 Aug 2013 12:36 AM
teto85    [TotalFark]  
Maybe he should have shot a friend in the face.

13 Aug 2013 12:40 AM
Boojum2k     

IntertubeUser: I was wondering why an artificial heart wasn't an option here.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artific ial_heart#Total_artificial_heart

Apparently because the only total replacement artificial hearts are still experimental and used to hold out for a transplant, and the partial versions would likely not be sufficient. Also, long term medication would still be required, and there the compliance issue comes up again.

13 Aug 2013 12:43 AM
The My Little Pony Killer     

IntertubeUser: cman: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: Okay, so why should a kid who won't take care of his body get to have TWO surgeries?

Because we live in a gotdamned civilized society, where the life of a human actually matters (or it should).  That's why.

Now, if this KID needs to be put in a home with guardians who'll ram the medicine down his pie hole for him, then so be it.  But letting a KID die because he's an idiot or irresponsible is bullshiat.

You can't help everyone.

These organs are not something that they have a farkload of. Its nothing like that. The reason why they have these lists is to come up with a filter. because there are too many people and not enough organs. I am sorry, but why make an exception for him? He didn't follow the rules.

I wasn't saying to give him an organ.  I was wondering why an artificial heart wasn't an option here.


Because he won't take the medications that he needs to take in order to keep his body from rejecting it.

/were those words small enough for you this time, or do we need to go around the block a few more times?

13 Aug 2013 12:45 AM
IntertubeUser     

The My Little Pony Killer:
Why should society put any more time and effort than they already have into somebody who is clearly not interested in the life they do have?

Because they're KIDS.  And the rules for and the expectations of KIDS are different than for adults.  There's a reason that KIDS aren't legally allowed to vote or buy beer or cigs or pr0n, etc.  The standards are different since KIDS are not expected to act in a responsible manner.
Boojum2k: IntertubeUser: I was wondering why an artificial heart wasn't an option here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artifici al_heart#Total_artificial_heart

Apparently because the only total replacement artificial hearts are still experimental and used to hold out for a transplant, and the partial versions would likely not be sufficient. Also, long term medication would still be required, and there the compliance issue comes up again.


This kid should have no choice but to comply, even if means pulling him out of that home and given different guardians, or put into some sort of institutional setting.

But even if the artificial heart is experimental, from the info in the article, he's dead in six months anyway.  It seems like experimental trumps nothing at all here.

13 Aug 2013 12:56 AM
Boojum2k     

IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer:
Why should society put any more time and effort than they already have into somebody who is clearly not interested in the life they do have?

Because they're KIDS.  And the rules for and the expectations of KIDS are different than for adults.  There's a reason that KIDS aren't legally allowed to vote or buy beer or cigs or pr0n, etc.  The standards are different since KIDS are not expected to act in a responsible manner.
Boojum2k: IntertubeUser: I was wondering why an artificial heart wasn't an option here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artifici al_heart#Total_artificial_heart

Apparently because the only total replacement artificial hearts are still experimental and used to hold out for a transplant, and the partial versions would likely not be sufficient. Also, long term medication would still be required, and there the compliance issue comes up again.

This kid should have no choice but to comply, even if means pulling him out of that home and given different guardians, or put into some sort of institutional setting.

But even if the artificial heart is experimental, from the info in the article, he's dead in six months anyway.  It seems like experimental trumps nothing at all here.


So again, we're pouring resources into this kid, including 24 hour fully supervised care, while other patients suffer from the lack. All to give him zero quality of life, as he would be essentially a prisoner, for the maybe 30 day extension the artificial heart would give him.

13 Aug 2013 01:03 AM
muck4doo     
Teen denied heart transplant due to: A) Lack of donors. B) Being black. C) Low grades

E) None of the above

13 Aug 2013 01:46 AM
the ha ha guy     
So Palin was right? The death panels are real?

/Nah, couldn't be, this kid looks like he could be Obama's son.

13 Aug 2013 02:39 AM
CujoQuarrel     

IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?
...
  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.


Why not. We've got tons of teenagers

13 Aug 2013 02:41 AM
GF named my left testicle thundercles     

muck4doo: Teen denied heart transplant due to: A) Lack of donors. B) Being black. C) Low grades

E) None of the above


D) Not taking medicines that would likely result in his death and a wasted heart

13 Aug 2013 02:42 AM
AverageAmericanGuy    [TotalFark]  
It's sad that a boy has to die because everything he's been taught leads him to be untrusting and hostile to authority.

I don't want to bring it up, but this is also why Trayvon Martin is dead today.

There is a culture that is sabotaging young black boys. It is killing them far more effectively than white racism ever did.

13 Aug 2013 02:43 AM
spamdog     

AverageAmericanGuy: It is killing them far more effectively than white racism ever did.


I dunno man. A noose is pretty effective.

13 Aug 2013 02:49 AM
Pray 4 Mojo     
"The doctor was all... we ain't givin' Ant-ony no heart! They say he be all lacksadaisicle about taking his medicines and shows bad demeanors with his grades and gettin' busted by the polica and all that shiat."

"Oh no he DI'INT!"

13 Aug 2013 02:49 AM
ciberido     

xlbrooklyn:  I've known two patients who were booted from the lung transplant program because they didn't attend the educational seminars (as required).  They eventually reformed and were accepted back in.  If this kid can maybe knuckle down, get his grades up, stop hanging out with the wrong crowd (or whatever the hell it is he's been doing), he may show enough self-discipline that the transplant team will take a chance on him.


Sure.  Tell the kid to come back in a couple of years and try again.
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It's too bad he won't live.  But then again, who does?

13 Aug 2013 02:50 AM
AverageAmericanGuy    [TotalFark]  

spamdog: AverageAmericanGuy: It is killing them far more effectively than white racism ever did.

I dunno man. A noose is pretty effective.


It's pretty inefficient. You'd have to catch them, tie them up, and then hang them. Takes a lot of time and manpower.

Now the Nazis, they were the kings of efficiency in that regard. Millions dead.

But if you can get them to kill themselves, that works best of all. Just supply them with the tools to kill each other and let culture take its course.

13 Aug 2013 02:51 AM
Captain Dan     
This story sucks.  Poor guy.

I hope he does a 180, starts complying with everything, and becomes a model citizen who receives a transplant, goes to college, and improves the world.  But that's probably not how this story ends.

:(

13 Aug 2013 02:53 AM
Slagnasty     
Put him on a machine that requires him to be strapped to a bed 27/7 until he learns how to take his goddamn meds.

13 Aug 2013 02:54 AM
EmmaLou    [TotalFark]  
Whatever the non-compliance is, it's something he brought upon himself. Sometimes our actions have consequences. Why should his non-compliance be to the detriment of someone else? I'm sick of people thinking their actions have no consequences and that they're invincible to any repercussions of said actions.

13 Aug 2013 02:54 AM
robohobo     
Love how the article used a staged photo of his playing chess as if to refute the bad grades angle.

13 Aug 2013 02:56 AM
berylman     

teto85: Maybe he should have shot a friend in the face.


We have no way of knowing but ya got to wonder if Cheney was fast tracked or special allowances made to secure his transplant.

13 Aug 2013 02:56 AM
E5bie     

AverageAmericanGuy: It's sad that a boy has to die because everything he's been taught leads him to be untrusting and hostile to authority.

I don't want to bring it up, but this is also why Trayvon Martin is dead today.

There is a culture that is sabotaging young black boys. It is killing them far more effectively than white racism ever did.


Must not bite... ... Guh! ...  Random Stalker Dude != Authority

Also, you don't suppose the li'l ol' racism thing might have had something to do with the development of mistrust? Nah.

13 Aug 2013 02:58 AM
Prof. Frink     

IntertubeUser: Gwendolyn: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.

You would still eventually need a donor heart and not qualifying for it now for that reason will still be unqualified for it later. Especially if he is in need of a transplant because he wouldn't take his medication, Getting a transplant isn't something you can wait 5 years or so until you pull your head out of your butt and realize you need to follow doctor's advice. It sucks but why give this kid a heart and be back here needing another transplant in a year or two if someone else who would take great care of it dies on the list?

For kids they generally look at the parents too. Whatever they saw there wasn't any better than the kid.

But the operative word here is "kid."

I'm not saying that he should get a human heart ahead of anyone else, especially another kid who meets the criteria.  All I'm saying is that there should be some sort of Plan B here, such as an artificial heart.


Plan B would have prevented getting as far as this situation, yes.

13 Aug 2013 02:58 AM
Mystery Vortex     
How does race factor into this at all? It sounds like the article is purposely trying to make it about race by pushing it in our faces that he's a BLACK teen. Here's a picture of him too to drive the point home folks!

13 Aug 2013 02:58 AM
robohobo     

berylman: teto85: Maybe he should have shot a friend in the face.

We have no way of knowing but ya got to wonder if Cheney was fast tracked or special allowances made to secure his transplant.


Well, of course. He was the Vice President. Biden would get the same bs preferential treatment.

13 Aug 2013 02:59 AM
cc_rider    [TotalFark]  
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Enough said.

13 Aug 2013 03:00 AM
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