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   Desecrating the American flag is a) a right guaranteed to American citizens, b) a time-honored Middle Eastern recreational activity, and/or c) an appropriate public school project geared toward reflection and exploration of feelings

01 Sep 2013 02:25 AM   |   5750 clicks   |   Fox News
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Lionel Mandrake    [TotalFark]  
"The teacher should be fired and run out of town," wrote one outraged Paducah resident. "I have a son serving to protect this flag at this very moment."

Really?   To protect the flag?  That's what he signed up for?  Your son is apparently an idiot.

01 Sep 2013 01:05 AM
Radak     

Lionel Mandrake: Really?   To protect the flag?  That's what he signed up for?  Your son is apparently an idiot.


It's a pretty cush job.  He's standing just outside the frame of the photograph in the article, poised to shoot a potato gun at anyone who steps on that particular flag.

01 Sep 2013 01:45 AM
MaudlinMutantMollusk    [TotalFark]  
Never place the symbol above the ideal

01 Sep 2013 02:03 AM
MrBallou    [TotalFark]  
Because, ya see, if we ask them to actually think about whether and why they care about the Flag and the Nation for which it stands, they might not come up with the right answer.

These people don't have much faith in their Faith, do they?

01 Sep 2013 02:04 AM
Zombie DJ     
You want to moan and gripe about people not respecting the flag than you should have rioted long ago when it was turned into handkerchief's for sweat, redneck hats and bathing suits.

01 Sep 2013 02:16 AM
CruiserTwelve    [TotalFark]  
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"You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then, you can stand up and sing about the "land of the free"."

01 Sep 2013 02:24 AM
austerity101     
Sweet Trickle-Down Jesus, why did I read the comments?

01 Sep 2013 02:31 AM
The All-Powerful Atheismo     
I'll take "all of the above" for $500 plinko-bucks, mr. sajak

01 Sep 2013 02:32 AM
the_cnidarian     
The worst/best part? The apology.

01 Sep 2013 02:34 AM
Cagey B     
I know I'm at a quality news source when the lede is immediately followed by an exhortation to follow the reporter on Facebook for "culture war updates".

01 Sep 2013 02:34 AM
cuzsis     
One of the students should have slipped and fallen and then sued the school. 


/The sort of material used to make flags laying on tile floor is quite slippery.
//the lolz would've been pretty epic.

01 Sep 2013 02:35 AM
DarkSoulNoHope     
Rednecks: They'll worship the flag and then shait on all the ideas of the symbol that the US flag represents.

01 Sep 2013 02:36 AM
Canton     

Zombie DJ: You want to moan and gripe about people not respecting the flag than you should have rioted long ago when it was turned into handkerchief's for sweat, redneck hats and bathing suits.


The thongs alone are frightening.

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I can't get upset about people contemplating the meaning of the flag, or using it as a symbol in protest, or whatever, but sometimes you just have to facepalm...

01 Sep 2013 02:36 AM
The All-Powerful Atheismo     

austerity101: Sweet Trickle-Down Jesus, why did I read the comments?


Because you probably had an enjoyable Saturday... perhaps a stranger said hello to you, or a waitress gave you the refill for free... perhaps you got a flat and someone pulled over to help you.  Or maybe you accidentally went 10 over the speed limit for a mile or two and the cop who pulled you over decided not to give you a ticket.

What you needed was to be reminded that your day was a fluke and that deep down, most people are real pieces of shiat.  You knew that, if only subconsciously, and that's why you read the comments.

01 Sep 2013 02:36 AM
The All-Powerful Atheismo     

the_cnidarian: The worst/best part? The apology.


doesn't bother me because you know she doesn't mean it, and she gets to keep her job.

01 Sep 2013 02:37 AM
rocky_howard     
I love how every retarded comment in TFA is about about the military. Way to be sterotyped, right-wingers!!

01 Sep 2013 02:37 AM
Alphax     

Cagey B: I know I'm at a quality news source when the lede is immediately followed by an exhortation to follow the reporter on Facebook for "culture war updates".


The Culture War.. because everyone not born into wealth needs to suffer for some reason or other.

01 Sep 2013 02:38 AM
Gordon Bennett    [TotalFark]  

austerity101: Sweet Trickle-Down Jesus, why did I read the comments?


There's a very rich vein of derp there ripe for mining. It's a joy to behold.

01 Sep 2013 02:39 AM
the_cnidarian     

The All-Powerful Atheismo: the_cnidarian: The worst/best part? The apology.

doesn't bother me because you know she doesn't mean it, and she gets to keep her job.


And therein lies the dichotomy.

01 Sep 2013 02:40 AM
LavenderWolf     

CruiserTwelve: [i162.photobucket.com image 342x254]
"You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then, you can stand up and sing about the "land of the free"."


I agree whole-heartedly with the ideal celebrated by that (fictional) Presidential quote.

01 Sep 2013 02:40 AM
Peki     

CruiserTwelve: [i162.photobucket.com image 342x254]
"You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then, you can stand up and sing about the "land of the free"."


The best part of that speech comes before, when he's saying free speech also means allowing a person to scream at the top of their lungs in support of something that you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.

01 Sep 2013 02:41 AM
Baron Harkonnen     

Lionel Mandrake: Really? To protect the flag? That's what he signed up for? Your son is apparently an idiot.


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01 Sep 2013 02:41 AM
Mr. Eugenides     
Ok, replace the flag with a picture of Obama.  Are we all still cool with it?

Either way it's disrespectful and either way it is protected speech.

01 Sep 2013 02:44 AM
Jorn the Younger     
Why are these people so horrified by a representation of the solid foundation America provides upon which we can build our lives?

The USPS sells stamps which blatantly violate the flag code.  Their official response is "Nobody really cares about that" so these farkwits can shut the fark up about "desecrating" the flag, as I've not seen a single one of them protesting near the post office.

01 Sep 2013 02:45 AM
Old enough to know better     

austerity101: Sweet Trickle-Down Jesus, why did I read the comments?


You've only yourself to blame.  The Fox News tag was right there. What did you expect to find?

01 Sep 2013 02:46 AM
BSABSVR     
By Todd Starnes

Nope

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01 Sep 2013 02:47 AM
skinink     
Accidental Traitor.

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01 Sep 2013 02:47 AM
tjsands1118     
This is funny I was just having a conversation with a co worker the other day.  Most American flags are now made in China. If a flag is made in China, wouldn't that make it a Chinese flag, even if it was American, it would be a Chinese American flag.

But as in relation to TFA, who really cares what happens to a piece of cheap fabric that was sewn together in a Chinese sweat shop.

01 Sep 2013 02:48 AM
Umeraken Ideut     
I wiped some ketchup off my face with a napkin that looked like the American Flag at a picnic in July. Something tells me these folks did, too.

01 Sep 2013 02:50 AM
austerity101     

Mr. Eugenides: Ok, replace the flag with a picture of Obama.  Are we all still cool with it?


Yep, I am, although the point would be lost--desecration of the flag has strong associations in this country; stepping on a photo of Obama does not.  

Either way it's disrespectful and either way it is protected speech.

Only the second part matters.  So shut up already and stop trying to deflect with pointless analogies that make no sense, troll.

01 Sep 2013 02:51 AM
Alphax     

BSABSVR: By Todd Starnes

Nope

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I don't recognize the name, but I find the GIF oddly compelling.

01 Sep 2013 02:51 AM
CruiserTwelve    [TotalFark]  

LavenderWolf: I agree whole-heartedly with the ideal celebrated by that (fictional) Presidential quote.


Sadly, a real president could never say something like that. It would be political suicide.

01 Sep 2013 02:51 AM
log_jammin     
I bet the teacher also says "happy holidays" at Christmas time.

01 Sep 2013 02:52 AM
Umeraken Ideut     

Mr. Eugenides: Ok, replace the flag with a picture of Obama.  Are we all still cool with it?

Either way it's disrespectful and either way it is protected speech.


Can I still draw a Hitler 'stache and devil horns on the picture?

01 Sep 2013 02:54 AM
UsikFark     

Jorn the Younger: Why are these people so horrified by a representation of the solid foundation America provides upon which we can build our lives?

The USPS sells stamps which blatantly violate the flag code.  Their official response is "Nobody really cares about that" so these farkwits can shut the fark up about "desecrating" the flag, as I've not seen a single one of them protesting near the post office.


Wiki mentions they got an exception.

01 Sep 2013 02:56 AM
AliceBToklasLives     
Oh get over the stupid flag.

01 Sep 2013 02:57 AM
Noam Chimpsky     
It's a banner for a union. You can't even really call it a national flag. It's like the EU flag.

01 Sep 2013 03:00 AM
Mr. Ekshun     
Reminds me of that time I desecrated a picture of Jessica Alba and the real one got pregnant.

01 Sep 2013 03:01 AM
The Green Manalishi     

austerity101: Sweet Trickle-Down Jesus, why did I read the comments?


Lots of hate on that page. You get used to people raging on the internet, but most of the time it's at least anonymous. These people use their real names and faces, and they sound ready to kill her. That disturbs me for some reason.

01 Sep 2013 03:02 AM
armoredbulldozer     

Zombie DJ: You want to moan and gripe about people not respecting the flag than you should have rioted long ago when it was turned into handkerchief's for sweat, redneck hats and bathing suits.


handerkerchiefs....without the apostrophe.  Don't trust the idiot Bill Gates' spellchecker.

Why the asinine tag?  Farklibtards love things that are unpatriotic.  That is how we ended with the imbecile B. Hussein Obama as POTUS.

01 Sep 2013 03:05 AM
ZeroCorpse     
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When the dipsy doodles in that town go after these folks-- and the companies selling these things-- I'll be a bit more sympathetic to their feelings about desecration of the flag.

01 Sep 2013 03:05 AM
Majin_Buu     
If I'm not into icon worship, am I still allowed in this thread?

01 Sep 2013 03:13 AM
Ranger Rover     

CruiserTwelve: [i162.photobucket.com image 342x254]
"You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then, you can stand up and sing about the "land of the free"."


I love this quote, too, and thought about it when I first saw the article. But I think being knowledgeable about and supportive of the right to burn the flag doesn't mean that it's appropriate to have kids desecrate it as an art project to explore their feelings. I get the sentiment behind exploring stuff like this, but I think it could have been done in a variety of different and better ways.

This story will likely fizzle out, but I'd be interested in hearing a little bit more about the project: was anyone required to participate (which would be unconstitutional itself)? How did the kids feel about it?

01 Sep 2013 03:14 AM
BSABSVR     

Mr. Eugenides: Ok, replace the flag with a picture of Obama.  Are we all still cool with it?


Slow down there Dr. Hawking. Who could ever imagine such a concept?

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01 Sep 2013 03:16 AM
beer4breakfast     

01 Sep 2013 03:17 AM
Lee Jackson Beauregard     
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01 Sep 2013 03:18 AM
uttertosh     

Noam Chimpsky: It's like the EU flag.


just dont hang the EU flag up-side down, lest the chavs come round your way and start some argy-bargy, try and earn their ASBO on your mug.

01 Sep 2013 03:21 AM
Rann Xerox     
"The teacher should be fired and run out of town," wrote one outraged Paducah resident. "I have a son serving to protect this flag at this very moment."

I guess this person's son is right now on guard detail outside of a factory in China where American flags are being made.

/DNRTFA

01 Sep 2013 03:22 AM
Ranger Rover     

austerity101: Either way it's disrespectful and either way it is protected speech.

Only the second part matters.  So shut up already and stop trying to deflect with pointless analogies that make no sense, troll.


Only the second part matters for what? I don't think anyone was trying to argue that what the teacher and kids did was illegal (unless I missed something), but rather that it was disrespectful. So, wouldn't the first part be what matters more, at least for these purposes?

Obviously, in any freedom of speech debate, there are two components - whether it's protected, i.e. legal, and whether it even matters - it would be legal for me to use any number of words that I otherwise choose not to. As far as lesson planning goes, teachers have to walk a fine line. If, as a teacher, I wanted to teach plantation era history by having half of the kids play Whitey and the other half dress up in blackface, it would be legal, but it would still be far from okay.

01 Sep 2013 03:24 AM
Mikey1969     
"The teacher should be fired and run out of town," wrote one outraged Paducah resident. "I have a son serving to protect this flag at this very moment."

Really? Where? I've never heard of this war, well not in the last 70 years or so, that is...

/Cue Obama's Time Machine

//The true irony is that if the guy WAS fighting to protect American ideals, one of those ideals would be the right to burn or desecrate the flag...

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