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   Annual gathering of the Rainbow Family in Montana woods provides food, camaraderie, and good times free to all. Well, free to all but the Forest Service, which spent $573,000 on law enforcement and infrastructure on the event

23 Sep 2013 03:43 PM   |   5983 clicks   |   Missoulian
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manimal2878     
Is this one of those things where they just take their yearly operational budget and divide it by the amount of time this event went on and claim the event "cost" them that much?

23 Sep 2013 03:45 PM
Clemkadidlefark     
No thanks. I remember their visit near here in 1992.

23 Sep 2013 03:46 PM
stir22     

Clemkadidlefark: No thanks. I remember their visit near here in 1992.


this.  they've come to montana many times.  each time it's a clusterfark.  they are welcome to not come back.

23 Sep 2013 03:47 PM
whither_apophis     
Which just means the Montana branch of the FS will have an extra $500k in next years budget. If they ended the year $500k under, clearly they didn't need it.

23 Sep 2013 03:48 PM
netcentric     
Pfft... who cares.    The FED could print that in 7 seconds.    Raise the debt ceiling,  add 10 billion for next month and viola....   surplus.

No worries, everybody gets some.

23 Sep 2013 03:48 PM
a particular individual    [TotalFark]  
What's stupid? Allowing everyone equal use of the area? Apparently subby wants only subby-approved gatherings. The USFS would have spent the same amount if it had been a 10,000-person gathering of the Make A Wish Foundation, or subby's mom's boyfriends.

23 Sep 2013 03:50 PM
Uzzah     

manimal2878: Is this one of those things where they just take their yearly operational budget and divide it by the amount of time this event went on and claim the event "cost" them that much?


No. These "earth-loving hippies" have a tendency to cut unauthorized trails, unlawfully collect wood, create impromptu latrines, and generally just tear the place up. Not necessarily in a malicious or spiteful sense, but in the sense of they don't necessarily recognize the cumulative environmental effects that large-group camping has. There are also security and law enforcement concerns with them every year -- there are inevitably some bad actors that slip in with them and cause real trouble, some drug overdose and/or distribution problems, a few fights that have to get broken up, and a million little petty offenses of various types. The Forest Service really doesn't like having to deal with these guys every year, but they don't have much choice, and they definitely put on extra staff when it gets announced that the Rainbow Family gathering is coming to your ranger district this year.

23 Sep 2013 03:52 PM
StreetlightInTheGhetto     
Despite making only two arrests at the Rainbow Family gathering near Jackson this summer, the U.S. Forest Service spent nearly $400,000 on law enforcement and more than $500,000 overall.

Meh.  I'm not a Rainbow kid but I have an ex who was one and a very good friend and an acquaintance went out there this year.

I trust my friend, but it was her first one and she was just there for a week.  Instead I'll trust a local writer over the Forest Service, whose opinion can be seen in the url:

http://missoulian.com/news/opinion/c olumnists/george-ochenski-rainbo w- gathering-friendly-to-land-and-visitor s-alike/article_9d14a0b4-e20a-11 e2-bdb8-0019bb2963f4.html

All the paths were carefully defined with lodgepole logs laid on the borders. There were no harsh words, no garbage, no cigarette butts, and no stinky souvenirs from roaming dogs. In fact, the entire area was cleaner than most of our fishing access sites and state parks.

Early Rainbow Gatherings relied heavily on the expertise of Vietnam veterans who knew how to keep thousands of people healthy in primitive settings. Long strands of plastic pipe brought clean water down from springs far above the highest campers. Five gallon buckets were lifted into trees on ropes, where gravity provided the pressure to feed the water through standard, under-the-sink water filters. Pit latrines modestly shielded with small logs were scattered throughout the area, each with a container of lime to sprinkle in after Nature's Call, and containers of diluted bleach with which to wash your hands. Wherever a path crossed even the tiniest of streams, small bridges spanned the water to prevent erosion.


Again, never been, but from what I've heard they practice what they preach.  I'm okay with those kind of hippies.

23 Sep 2013 03:53 PM
Sgygus    [TotalFark]  
An expenditure of $395,540 for law enforcement.

To make two arrests.

23 Sep 2013 03:53 PM
JRoo     
Police states aren't free.

I mean, they're hippies hanging out in the woods, you seriously want to leave them alone to frolic without a perimeter of cops hanging out and doing nothing? What if they conjure up Satan?

23 Sep 2013 03:54 PM
Mr.Hawk     
In 1990 I was living in Burlington VT for the summer and a guy I knew let 3 rainbow chicks crash at his house for 2 days. He had to fumigate it afterwards. Also got crabs.


csb

23 Sep 2013 03:58 PM
brandent     

manimal2878: Is this one of those things where they just take their yearly operational budget and divide it by the amount of time this event went on and claim the event "cost" them that much?


That's the way I read the math.  Looks like they spent a few bucks on overtime and a little travel money.  I'm not familiar with this kind of "camping" but wouldn't there have been some usage fees paid too?  I mean I go camping with 50 relatives every year for a week and it runs $1000 or so for the campsites.  Am I foolish to assume there were tens of thousands of dollars spent on campsite fees or is this just people squatting down out in the middle of the forest?

23 Sep 2013 03:58 PM
Cletus C.     
The chance to see naked, naive hippie chicks make it a reasonable deal. The government spends lots more money on far less worthy things.

23 Sep 2013 04:01 PM
Combustion     
Montana question:

I've been to Montana, and never seen a single sheep. Where did that "sheep farking" thing come from? Did there used to be sheep? Was I in the wrong part????

23 Sep 2013 04:02 PM
vbob     
Rainbow Tax.

23 Sep 2013 04:02 PM
Charlie Chingas     

Cletus C.: The chance to see naked, naive hippie chicks make it a reasonable deal. The government spends lots more money on far less worthy things.


Go on...

23 Sep 2013 04:02 PM
The My Little Pony Killer     
The first time I heard about a Rainbow Family Gathering, it was from people discussing the folks they knew who went to one and came back fried. Some family.

23 Sep 2013 04:04 PM
zimbomba63     

Sgygus: An expenditure of $395,540 for law enforcement.

To make two arrests.


Yeah, but they had to supply them with donuts, too.

Was around for the 60's and will tell you that the 60's hippie chicks were much better looking than the earth mamas in that picture.  Captain ZsuZsu, those type of mopes are timeless.

23 Sep 2013 04:05 PM
vbob     
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23 Sep 2013 04:05 PM
wiredroach     

a particular individual: What's stupid? Allowing everyone equal use of the area? Apparently subby wants only subby-approved gatherings. The USFS would have spent the same amount if it had been a 10,000-person gathering of the Make A Wish Foundation, or subby's mom's boyfriends.


Maybe subby thinks the amount of money spent on "law enforcement" for two arrests is stupid.

23 Sep 2013 04:05 PM
spunkymunky     

brandent: manimal2878: Is this one of those things where they just take their yearly operational budget and divide it by the amount of time this event went on and claim the event "cost" them that much?

That's the way I read the math.  Looks like they spent a few bucks on overtime and a little travel money.  I'm not familiar with this kind of "camping" but wouldn't there have been some usage fees paid too?  I mean I go camping with 50 relatives every year for a week and it runs $1000 or so for the campsites.  Am I foolish to assume there were tens of thousands of dollars spent on campsite fees or is this just people squatting down out in the middle of the forest?


I don't know how it is where this gathering was, but the GWNF and Jefferson Ntnl Forrest here in VA have no fees if you're not staying in the official camp grounds. I go camping a couple times a month throughout the summer and once a month the rest of the year and other than gas to get there, gear and food, it's free.

23 Sep 2013 04:07 PM
Intrepid00     
They wanna save the earth, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.

23 Sep 2013 04:12 PM
TrollingForColumbine     

spunkymunky: brandent: manimal2878: Is this one of those things where they just take their yearly operational budget and divide it by the amount of time this event went on and claim the event "cost" them that much?

That's the way I read the math.  Looks like they spent a few bucks on overtime and a little travel money.  I'm not familiar with this kind of "camping" but wouldn't there have been some usage fees paid too?  I mean I go camping with 50 relatives every year for a week and it runs $1000 or so for the campsites.  Am I foolish to assume there were tens of thousands of dollars spent on campsite fees or is this just people squatting down out in the middle of the forest?

I don't know how it is where this gathering was, but the GWNF and Jefferson Ntnl Forrest here in VA have no fees if you're not staying in the official camp grounds. I go camping a couple times a month throughout the summer and once a month the rest of the year and other than gas to get there, gear and food, it's free.


Unless otherwise posted you can camp anywhere in a national forest for free.

23 Sep 2013 04:15 PM
Intrepid00     

spunkymunky: brandent: manimal2878: Is this one of those things where they just take their yearly operational budget and divide it by the amount of time this event went on and claim the event "cost" them that much?

That's the way I read the math.  Looks like they spent a few bucks on overtime and a little travel money.  I'm not familiar with this kind of "camping" but wouldn't there have been some usage fees paid too?  I mean I go camping with 50 relatives every year for a week and it runs $1000 or so for the campsites.  Am I foolish to assume there were tens of thousands of dollars spent on campsite fees or is this just people squatting down out in the middle of the forest?

I don't know how it is where this gathering was, but the GWNF and Jefferson Ntnl Forrest here in VA have no fees if you're not staying in the official camp grounds. I go camping a couple times a month throughout the summer and once a month the rest of the year and other than gas to get there, gear and food, it's free.


If it is free why did it just cost 500k?

23 Sep 2013 04:15 PM
TrollingForColumbine     
Welcome Home

23 Sep 2013 04:17 PM
Rincewind53    [TotalFark]  

Sgygus: An expenditure of $395,540 for law enforcement.

To make two arrests.


wiredroach: Maybe subby thinks the amount of money spent on "law enforcement" for two arrests is stupid.

As I was very pleased to see the Forestry Service say in the article, measuring police effectiveness by arrests is stupid (and may I add, dangerous and incentives police to arrest people to meet quotas). It was a group of 20,000 people, and they had 24 officers patrolling it. That's a tiny number of people for such a huge event. Not only that, but if you RTFA, there were over 400 written-up interactions where the police were telling people to, I don't know, not litter or some stuff.

I'm just not seeing any real indication that there was actual waste. One police officer per 1,000 people seems a fairly decent ratio for an event this size.

23 Sep 2013 04:18 PM
TrollingForColumbine     

Intrepid00: spunkymunky: brandent: manimal2878: Is this one of those things where they just take their yearly operational budget and divide it by the amount of time this event went on and claim the event "cost" them that much?

That's the way I read the math.  Looks like they spent a few bucks on overtime and a little travel money.  I'm not familiar with this kind of "camping" but wouldn't there have been some usage fees paid too?  I mean I go camping with 50 relatives every year for a week and it runs $1000 or so for the campsites.  Am I foolish to assume there were tens of thousands of dollars spent on campsite fees or is this just people squatting down out in the middle of the forest?

I don't know how it is where this gathering was, but the GWNF and Jefferson Ntnl Forrest here in VA have no fees if you're not staying in the official camp grounds. I go camping a couple times a month throughout the summer and once a month the rest of the year and other than gas to get there, gear and food, it's free.

If it is free why did it just cost 500k?


Cops like to bust hippys and stop people from having fun. you did notice the only 2 arrests part.

23 Sep 2013 04:19 PM
Because People in power are Stupid    [TotalFark]  
This was a great excuse for Law Enforcement to rack up that overtime!

23 Sep 2013 04:20 PM
neversubmit     
As long as they didn't do anything unapproved, it was worth it.

23 Sep 2013 04:22 PM
ecmoRandomNumbers    [TotalFark]  
These people are gross. They've been here to my hometown twice in my lifetime. They destroy local businesses. Several restaurants had to close to clean all the feces from the bathroom walls, floors, mirrors.

23 Sep 2013 04:22 PM
Magorn    [TotalFark]  
before all the "stoopid Hippies" comment start to fly, I just want to note for the record these people tend to be DAMN good at logistics and self-policing, and if the forest service wants to shell out for unneeded overtime for thier officers that on them not the Rainbows.

I'd also urge you to Google "The new Waveland Cafe and Clinic"  when a group of Rainbow volunteers organized a "soup Kitchen" and Medical Clinci after Katrina that fed and provided medical aid to storm victims and first responders and did so faster and in FAR greater numbers than was managed by wither the Red Cross, FEMA, or the National Guard.  At its peak, the Cafe, which was run by the Rainbows on a fully vuolunter basis was feeding 4,000 people a day three hot meals a day.  The Clinic treated over 5,000 patients

So Snark on them all you want, they ARE the last of the true hippies after all, and coform to almost all those stereotypes;  but ask yourself if you've made as much of a positive contribuiton to society as they have first

23 Sep 2013 04:26 PM
unyon    [TotalFark]  

Combustion: Montana question:

I've been to Montana, and never seen a single sheep. Where did that "sheep farking" thing come from? Did there used to be sheep? Was I in the wrong part????


They have sheep.  But they're a whole lot harder to catch and fark than the regular kind.

23 Sep 2013 04:27 PM
unyon    [TotalFark]  

unyon: Combustion: Montana question:

I've been to Montana, and never seen a single sheep. Where did that "sheep farking" thing come from? Did there used to be sheep? Was I in the wrong part????

They have sheep.  But they're a whole lot harder to catch and fark than the regular kind.


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/tpiuwop

23 Sep 2013 04:27 PM
a particular individual    [TotalFark]  

wiredroach: Maybe subby thinks the amount of money spent on "law enforcement" for two arrests is stupid.


Yes, it would be stupid to think that there would be a break-even point on arresting people. It's stupid to complain that only two people were arrested (maybe next year they'll riot on acid  like we all know they want to). It's stupid to think that the bulk of operational expenses would go to arresting people. It was stupid to assume the gathering would be 20,000 people, when they could have asked around and tried to get a better estimate. And it's stupid to think that any gathering of similar size would not also require a law enforcement presence.

It all comes down to "How dare those filthy hippies exercise their constitutionally guaranteed right to peaceably assemble. Those rights are for Tea Baggers and other wholesome groups of real 'murcans."

23 Sep 2013 04:29 PM
FLMountainMan     

Uzzah: manimal2878: Is this one of those things where they just take their yearly operational budget and divide it by the amount of time this event went on and claim the event "cost" them that much?

No. These "earth-loving hippies" have a tendency to cut unauthorized trails, unlawfully collect wood, create impromptu latrines, and generally just tear the place up. Not necessarily in a malicious or spiteful sense, but in the sense of they don't necessarily recognize the cumulative environmental effects that large-group camping has. There are also security and law enforcement concerns with them every year -- there are inevitably some bad actors that slip in with them and cause real trouble, some drug overdose and/or distribution problems, a few fights that have to get broken up, and a million little petty offenses of various types. The Forest Service really doesn't like having to deal with these guys every year, but they don't have much choice, and they definitely put on extra staff when it gets announced that the Rainbow Family gathering is coming to your ranger district this year.


We've got them down in Apalachicola NF as well.  Same behavior.

23 Sep 2013 04:30 PM
a particular individual    [TotalFark]  

ecmoRandomNumbers: These people are gross. They've been here to my hometown twice in my lifetime. They destroy local businesses. Several restaurants had to close to clean all the feces from the bathroom walls, floors, mirrors.


Yes, and all of that was from the relatively few Rainbow people, and none of it was from the thousands of trustafarians who showed up to gawk and pretend to be hippies. Also, I'll bet none of those restaurants complained about the increased revenue from said trustafarians.

Say... I wonder how this compares to the annual destruction at Sturgis...

23 Sep 2013 04:34 PM
stir22     

Combustion: Montana question:

I've been to Montana, and never seen a single sheep. Where did that "sheep farking" thing come from? Did there used to be sheep? Was I in the wrong part????


we keep them inside when we know the out-of-staters are here.

23 Sep 2013 04:37 PM
mediablitz    [TotalFark]  

unyon: Combustion: Montana question:

I've been to Montana, and never seen a single sheep. Where did that "sheep farking" thing come from? Did there used to be sheep? Was I in the wrong part????

They have sheep.  But they're a whole lot harder to catch and fark than the regular kind.


There are somewhere north of 200k sheep raised in Montana. Sheep ranchers and callte rancher do not get along though.

Lots of sheep related stories this year, due to the wolf population increasing and sheep being attacked.

23 Sep 2013 04:37 PM
mediablitz    [TotalFark]  
10,000 people gathered in the forest 2 months ago, and several of you just now heard about it and feel the need to complain.

There were a few bad apples out of 10,000 people. Shocking.

23 Sep 2013 04:40 PM
orange whip     

a particular individual: ecmoRandomNumbers: These people are gross. They've been here to my hometown twice in my lifetime. They destroy local businesses. Several restaurants had to close to clean all the feces from the bathroom walls, floors, mirrors.

Yes, and all of that was from the relatively few Rainbow people, and none of it was from the thousands of trustafarians who showed up to gawk and pretend to be hippies. Also, I'll bet none of those restaurants complained about the increased revenue from said trustafarians.

Say... I wonder how this compares to the annual destruction at Sturgis...


Sturgis knows they are going to have to clean up shiat and puke. They tolerate it for the $$$. Rainbow hippies act all "we love nature" etc and STILL fark shiat up and bring very little $$$ compared to Sturgis. And please stop with the trustafarian blame.How do you know it was only them? Do trustafarians smear poo in a unique way? or is there a dna test done on the poo?

23 Sep 2013 04:42 PM
a particular individual    [TotalFark]  

orange whip: a particular individual: ecmoRandomNumbers: These people are gross. They've been here to my hometown twice in my lifetime. They destroy local businesses. Several restaurants had to close to clean all the feces from the bathroom walls, floors, mirrors.

Yes, and all of that was from the relatively few Rainbow people, and none of it was from the thousands of trustafarians who showed up to gawk and pretend to be hippies. Also, I'll bet none of those restaurants complained about the increased revenue from said trustafarians.

Say... I wonder how this compares to the annual destruction at Sturgis...

Sturgis knows they are going to have to clean up shiat and puke. They tolerate it for the $$$. Rainbow hippies act all "we love nature" etc and STILL fark shiat up and bring very little $$$ compared to Sturgis. And please stop with the trustafarian blame.How do you know it was only them? Do trustafarians smear poo in a unique way? or is there a dna test done on the poo?


The Rainbow people don't tend to go into town and eat at restaurants.

23 Sep 2013 04:45 PM
obamadidcoke     
10,000 people for about a month and you make 2 arrests? That's about a quarter of a million dollars per arrest. I think that the story here isn't how these hippies are costing taxpayers, I think it's how our government is going batshiat crazy with "law enforcement" and putting the unneeded cost on the american people.

I definitely think that there should be an investigation of the forrest service here, but I won't hold my breath.

23 Sep 2013 04:47 PM
WyDave     

unyon: Combustion: Montana question:

I've been to Montana, and never seen a single sheep. Where did that "sheep farking" thing come from? Did there used to be sheep? Was I in the wrong part????



"See that line of houses over there? I built them all, but do they call me Jones the house builder? Do they hell! See those railway lines over there? I laid them all, but do they call me Jones the engineer? Do they hell! See those bridges over that river? I built them all, but do they call me Jones the bridge builder?

23 Sep 2013 04:48 PM
orange whip     

a particular individual: orange whip: a particular individual: ecmoRandomNumbers: These people are gross. They've been here to my hometown twice in my lifetime. They destroy local businesses. Several restaurants had to close to clean all the feces from the bathroom walls, floors, mirrors.

Yes, and all of that was from the relatively few Rainbow people, and none of it was from the thousands of trustafarians who showed up to gawk and pretend to be hippies. Also, I'll bet none of those restaurants complained about the increased revenue from said trustafarians.

Say... I wonder how this compares to the annual destruction at Sturgis...

Sturgis knows they are going to have to clean up shiat and puke. They tolerate it for the $$$. Rainbow hippies act all "we love nature" etc and STILL fark shiat up and bring very little $$$ compared to Sturgis. And please stop with the trustafarian blame.How do you know it was only them? Do trustafarians smear poo in a unique way? or is there a dna test done on the poo?

The Rainbow people don't tend to go into town and eat at restaurants.


So your comparison to Sturgis is moot.

/not a biker
//never been to sturgis
///I know a few rainbow folk
////very self righteous individuals

23 Sep 2013 04:49 PM
minoridiot     
This is Nixon's legacy -- trying to bring order to the drugged out hippies.

23 Sep 2013 04:50 PM
Elegy     
Both of the states I've lived in during the past two decades have had "rainbow kids" living in the national forests in semi-permanent encampments.

Nice enough people, but my god the dirt and disease. Just about all of them had obvious signs of ringworm.

Not to mention how badly they trashed the areas surrounding their camps.

23 Sep 2013 04:51 PM
obamadidcoke     

Uzzah: manimal2878: Is this one of those things where they just take their yearly operational budget and divide it by the amount of time this event went on and claim the event "cost" them that much?

No. These "earth-loving hippies" have a tendency to cut unauthorized trails, unlawfully collect wood, create impromptu latrines, and generally just tear the place up. Not necessarily in a malicious or spiteful sense, but in the sense of they don't necessarily recognize the cumulative environmental effects that large-group camping has. There are also security and law enforcement concerns with them every year -- there are inevitably some bad actors that slip in with them and cause real trouble, some drug overdose and/or distribution problems, a few fights that have to get broken up, and a million little petty offenses of various types. The Forest Service really doesn't like having to deal with these guys every year, but they don't have much choice, and they definitely put on extra staff when it gets announced that the Rainbow Family gathering is coming to your ranger district this year.


Who cares what the forrest service likes. These guys are no different than the herds that tramp all over Yellowstone all summer and they deserve the same quality of service.

23 Sep 2013 04:52 PM
A Screaming Man with Two-Toned Shoes     
They've been gathering annually in Montana?!

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/Hello, Butte!!

23 Sep 2013 04:52 PM
orange whip     
I think the juggalo gathering and the rainbow gathering should be combined.

"Juggabow Gathering" ?

23 Sep 2013 04:54 PM
zerkalo     
White people-caused problems

23 Sep 2013 04:57 PM
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