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18 Aug 2014 02:34 PM   |   9799 clicks   |   Fark
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Drew    [TotalFark]  
Adding misogyny to Fark moderator guidelines.

Adam Savage once described to me the problem this way: if the Internet was a dude, we'd all agree that dude has a serious problem with women.

We've actually been tightening up moderation style along these lines for awhile now, but as of today, the FArQ will be updated with new rules reminding you all that we don't want to be the He Man Woman Hater's Club.  This represents enough of a departure from pretty much how every other large internet community operates that I figure an announcement is necessary.

There are lots of examples of highly misogynistic language in pop culture, and Fark has used those plenty over the years. From SNL's "Jane, you ignorant slut" to Blazing Saddles' multiple casual references to rape, there are a lot of instances where views are made extreme to parody them. On Fark, we have a tendency to use pop culture references as a type of referential shorthand with one another.

On SNL and in a comedy movie, though, the context is clear. On the Internet, it's impossible to know the difference between a person with hateful views and a person lampooning hateful views to make a point. The mods try to be reasonable, and context often matters. We will try and determine what you meant, but that's not always a pass. If your post can be taken one of two ways, and one of those ways can be interpreted as misogynistic, the mods may delete it -- even if that wasn't your intent.

Things that aren't acceptable:

- Rape jokes
- Calling women as a group "whores" or "sluts" or similar demeaning terminology
- Jokes suggesting that a woman who suffered a crime was somehow asking for it

Obviously, these are just a few examples and shouldn't be taken as the full gospel, but to give you a few examples of what will always be over the line. Trying to anticipate every situation and every conversation in every thread would be ridiculous, so consider these guidelines and post accordingly.  I recommend that when encountering grey areas, instead of trying to figure out where the actual line is, the best strategy would be to stay out of the grey area entirely.

As one of the folks who picks headlines, I can also say with some certainty that we're not going to get everything right all the time on our end either.  I've been trying to keep an eye toward these guidelines for a couple months now and I still make mistakes and/or miss problem taglines completely.  We're trying to make the Fark community a better place, and hopefully this will be a few steps in the right direction.

18 Aug 2014 02:35 PM
medius    [TotalFark]  
good.

although rape jokes, i'll miss you most of all

18 Aug 2014 02:37 PM
LazyMedia     
Should be some busy times in the Jezebel-hate threads.

18 Aug 2014 02:38 PM
troymccluresf     
Good on ya.

18 Aug 2014 02:38 PM
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat    [TotalFark]  
Stampeding Cattle through the Vatican still OK, though?

18 Aug 2014 02:38 PM
Eddie Adams from Torrance    [TotalFark]  
You said ra...er.. nevermind.

As long as it's still OK to make fun of the mentally handicapped and tea partiers, I'll get over it.

18 Aug 2014 02:38 PM
Drew    [TotalFark]  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Stampeding Cattle through the Vatican still OK, though?


yup that's cool

18 Aug 2014 02:38 PM
Mrs.Sharpier    [TotalFark]  
Good news!

18 Aug 2014 02:39 PM
Hebalo     
Brilliant, and long overdue. Thanks Drew!

18 Aug 2014 02:39 PM
reillan     

medius: good.

although rape jokes, i'll miss you most of all


What about man-on-man prison rape jokes.  Those are still cool, right?

/only one that's gotten me into the HOTY contest so far...

18 Aug 2014 02:39 PM
Alassra     
Thanks to Drew and the Mod team.

18 Aug 2014 02:39 PM
CJHardin    [TotalFark]  
Kinda sad that we actually need to have rules against this.

18 Aug 2014 02:39 PM
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat    [TotalFark]  

Drew: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Stampeding Cattle through the Vatican still OK, though?

yup that's cool


Do I get a badge?

18 Aug 2014 02:39 PM
Genevieve Marie    [TotalFark]  

reillan: medius: good.

although rape jokes, i'll miss you most of all

What about man-on-man prison rape jokes.  Those are still cool, right?

/only one that's gotten me into the HOTY contest so far...


Nope. Rape jokes in general are out now. Thanks for giving us a chance to clarify though.

18 Aug 2014 02:40 PM
SirDigbyChickenCaesar     
What if it's guy on guy rape?  That still cool?

18 Aug 2014 02:40 PM
treesloth     
Drew, you ignorant slut.

Not misogyny!

Seriously, though, good call.

18 Aug 2014 02:40 PM
Pocket Ninja    [TotalFark]  
This headline could be interpreted as meaning that misogyny is now a requirement.

18 Aug 2014 02:40 PM
cgraves67     
I guess it's time to retire that old box of rape jpg.

18 Aug 2014 02:40 PM
Sir Cumference the Flatulent    [TotalFark]  

Drew: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Stampeding Cattle through the Vatican still OK, though?

yup that's cool


THANK GOD

18 Aug 2014 02:40 PM
Nabb1    [TotalFark]  
I think we're going to need a ruling on "Your mom" jokes.

18 Aug 2014 02:40 PM
ChipNASA     
OK you mean like misogyny or misogyny misogyny.


/Someone had to say it.

18 Aug 2014 02:40 PM
rbaron71     
This is probably a bad time to ask for the Boobies tag to come back to the main page.

18 Aug 2014 02:40 PM
skozlaw    [TotalFark]  
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I like tasteless humor, I could do without the people who are just plain tasteless, though.

/ they require way too much salt to be palatable

18 Aug 2014 02:40 PM
oldfarthenry    [TotalFark]  
Are fart jokes are still cool, Drew? I'd hate to be rendered mute (sorry, PC incorrect) -er- speechless.

18 Aug 2014 02:40 PM
Genevieve Marie    [TotalFark]  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: What if it's guy on guy rape?  That still cool?


Not at all. Rape jokes are no longer allowed, it doesn't matter who the victim is.

18 Aug 2014 02:40 PM
Smeggy Smurf     
How are we supposed to make fun of Republicans now?

18 Aug 2014 02:40 PM
Rapmaster2000    [TotalFark]  
I can assure you that I will be railing against this great injustice on my Men's Rights and Fedora Acceptance subreddit.

18 Aug 2014 02:40 PM
Large Marge sent me    [TotalFark]  
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18 Aug 2014 02:41 PM
vbob     

Eddie Adams from Torrance: You said ra...er.. nevermind.

As long as it's still OK to make fun of the mentally handicapped and tea partiers, I'll get over it.


The Tea Party people are misogynists??

That's racist!!

18 Aug 2014 02:41 PM
shamalamadingdong     
I would also like to recommend adding the words "overly sensitive", or the act of calling someone "overly sensitive" (or any variation thereof) to that list of unacceptable items.

It hurts my feelings when someone calls me overly sensitive.

18 Aug 2014 02:41 PM
honeygrl    [TotalFark]  
What if I call myself a slut? Is that ok?

18 Aug 2014 02:41 PM
JerseyTim    [TotalFark]  

Pocket Ninja: This headline could be interpreted as meaning that misogyny is now a requirement.


Yeah, I thought they were now making sure all moderators hate women.

18 Aug 2014 02:41 PM
Bondith     
List of people allowed to make rape jokes:

1. Rape victims.

End of list.

18 Aug 2014 02:41 PM
Metalupis    [TotalFark]  
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18 Aug 2014 02:41 PM
GnomePaladin     

Eddie Adams from Torrance: You said ra...er.. nevermind.

As long as it's still OK to make fun of the mentally handicapped and tea partiers, I'll get over it.


You said tea partiers twice.

18 Aug 2014 02:41 PM
Rev.K    [TotalFark]  
So Number 6 Dances are no longer cool on Fark?

18 Aug 2014 02:41 PM
Dino-Czar     

Eddie Adams from Torrance: You said ra...er.. nevermind.

As long as it's still OK to make fun of the mentally handicapped and tea partiers, I'll get over it.


But you repeat yourself.

18 Aug 2014 02:42 PM
treesloth     

Pocket Ninja: This headline could be interpreted as meaning that misogyny is now a requirement.


Or as "mods will now offer helpful tips on how to be a better misogynist."

18 Aug 2014 02:42 PM
OscarTamerz     
But Drew you ignorant slut is still okay?

18 Aug 2014 02:42 PM
Drew    [TotalFark]  

JerseyTim: Pocket Ninja: This headline could be interpreted as meaning that misogyny is now a requirement.

Yeah, I thought they were now making sure all moderators hate women.


We tossed the idea around but half of them are women so it wasn't practical

18 Aug 2014 02:42 PM
Blues_X    [TotalFark]  
But Black Dynamite, I provide ignorant sluts to the community.

18 Aug 2014 02:42 PM
zedster    [TotalFark]  
Is this Drew endorsing Hilary 16'?

18 Aug 2014 02:42 PM
RoyBatty     

Drew: - Jokes suggesting that a woman who suffered a crime was somehow asking for it


Is it okay to suggest that a man who suffered a crime was somehow asking for it?

18 Aug 2014 02:42 PM
medius    [TotalFark]  

reillan: What about man-on-man prison rape jokes.  Those are still cool, right?


only one way to find out...

one of us (not me) should get convicted of a felony and then post about our experience in prison, but add a ;-) at the end so they know you're being tongue in cheeks

18 Aug 2014 02:42 PM
thismomentinblackhistory     

honeygrl: What if I call myself a slut? Is that ok?


Just use your log-in name, everyone will know what it means.

18 Aug 2014 02:42 PM
Kittypie070    [TotalFark]  
*sniffs statement with mild cynicism*

Awright, I'll accept it at face value.

How about out and out constant lying?

18 Aug 2014 02:42 PM
SirDigbyChickenCaesar     
I suspect traffic will be down about 20% just with the elimination of "subby's mom" jokes.

18 Aug 2014 02:42 PM
rotsky    [TotalFark]  

Drew: He Man Woman Hater's Haters Club


Fixed.

18 Aug 2014 02:42 PM
Intelligent_Donkey     
Headline sounds like you have to be misogynistic to be a moderator now.

18 Aug 2014 02:42 PM
ChipNASA     

cgraves67: I guess it's time to retire that old box of rape jpg.


R.I.P.  SNL Celebrity Jeopardy Sean Connery.

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