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  • Interesting. This is the second thing that makes this crash similar to the previous one. I think the investigation is going to show what everyone suspects to be true.
  • Well then they should have turned the plane upside-down.
  • Also interesting. The Ethiopians are having the crash investigated by Europeans instead of Americans. It's as if they think that if we do it, some sort of under-the-table political shenanigans involving large sums of money might possibly influence the final report.  Looking at the honest, moral, and upright people currently running things in Washington, it's hard to see why they could ever think that this could be true.
  • All part of the Chinese hack into the Boeing jet engine data in the first place. (yes tinfoil hat is on)
  • AlwaysRightBoy: All part of the Chinese hack into the Boeing jet engine data in the first place. (yes tinfoil hat is on)


    And speaking of aluminum foil hats, it sounds like Boeing is putting in software that can control flight without the pilots awareness. Sort of a remote control mechanism. Hackable even.
  • flamark: AlwaysRightBoy: All part of the Chinese hack into the Boeing jet engine data in the first place. (yes tinfoil hat is on)

    And speaking of aluminum foil hats, it sounds like Boeing is putting in software that can control flight without the pilots awareness. Sort of a remote control mechanism. Hackable even.


    Thank you for pointing out that it's aluminum, and not tin. Aluminum actually enhances radio mind control waves, not reflects them. And what are airplanes made out of???

    http://web.archive.org/web/2011121006​2​743/http://berkeley.intel-research.net​/arahimi/helmet/
  • iToad: Also interesting. The Ethiopians are having the crash investigated by Europeans instead of Americans. It's as if they think that if we do it, some sort of under-the-table political shenanigans involving large sums of money might possibly influence the final report.  Looking at the honest, moral, and upright people currently running things in Washington, it's hard to see why they could ever think that this could be true.


    Honestly, I'm not even sure anyone should ever trust us with anything even after the current administration is gone.

    /not without significant reforms, anyway.
  • iToad: Also interesting. The Ethiopians are having the crash investigated by Europeans instead of Americans. It's as if they think that if we do it, some sort of under-the-table political shenanigans involving large sums of money might possibly influence the final report.  Looking at the honest, moral, and upright people currently running things in Washington, it's hard to see why they could ever think that this could be true.


    There is no reason to assume it would be done by the NTSB. The country  where the accident occurs would generally do the investigation. Where such resources are not available  they will get help from other countries. France is much closer than the US.
  • I'm glad that they are sending the evidence to Europe, where science will be used, instead of letting the Trump FAA "evaluate" it for gays and abortion and witch hunts.
  • Lurky McLurkerton: Interesting. This is the second thing that makes this crash similar to the previous one. I think the investigation is going to show what everyone suspects to be true.


    They both crashed?
  • Marcus Aurelius: Lurky McLurkerton: Interesting. This is the second thing that makes this crash similar to the previous one. I think the investigation is going to show what everyone suspects to be true.

    They both crashed?


    That too. But, more specifically, they crashed, and all those poor people lost their lives, because the plane crashed itself despite the efforts of the pilots.
  • Lurky McLurkerton: That too. But, more specifically, they crashed, and all those poor people lost their lives, because the plane crashed itself despite the efforts of the pilots.


    But that's not important right now.

    Do you have any idea how many black boxes there are in Ethiopia?
  • Marcus Aurelius: Do you have any idea how many black boxes there are in Ethiopia?


    Dunno, but they do have the world's best Black Sabbath cover band. They perform every Saturday at sunset.
  • Well as far as kill switches go this one was gruesomely eficient.
  • iToad: Also interesting. The Ethiopians are having the crash investigated by Europeans instead of Americans. It's as if they think that if we do it, some sort of under-the-table political shenanigans involving large sums of money might possibly influence the final report.  Looking at the honest, moral, and upright people currently running things in Washington, it's hard to see why they could ever think that this could be true.


    Or...hear me out...Europeans are competent and several thousand miles closer.
  • Why does nobody speak the obvious?
    Yes, Boeing really farked up this software fix in order to make the plane flyable with the new engines without doing a comprehensive aerodynamic re-engineering.
    The Trump FAA is too corrupt to even investigate this, so the Germans are doing it.
  • HotIgneous Intruder: Why does nobody speak the obvious?
    Yes, Boeing really farked up this software fix in order to make the plane flyable with the new engines without doing a comprehensive aerodynamic re-engineering.
    The Trump FAA is too corrupt to even investigate this, so the Germans are doing it.


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  • HotIgneous Intruder: Why does nobody speak the obvious?
    Yes, Boeing really farked up this software fix in order to make the plane flyable with the new engines without doing a comprehensive aerodynamic re-engineering.
    The Trump FAA is too corrupt to even investigate this, so the Germans are doing it.


    . . . that's a pretty roundabout way to make fun of the French.
  • Contrabulous Flabtraption: iToad: Also interesting. The Ethiopians are having the crash investigated by Europeans instead of Americans. It's as if they think that if we do it, some sort of under-the-table political shenanigans involving large sums of money might possibly influence the final report.  Looking at the honest, moral, and upright people currently running things in Washington, it's hard to see why they could ever think that this could be true.

    Or...hear me out...Europeans are competent and several thousand miles closer.


    They are also potentially biased as remember France still owns over 11% of Airbus which is Boeing's chief rival who would love to discredit a Boeing product.  So there is potential appearance of bias all around whether it was done by the NTSB or BEA. I think getting this figured out and fixed is the priority of all involved as the airline industry suffers when planes regularly fall out of the sky.  However the manner it is done whether covering up incompetence or trying to lay blame on incompetence certainly can't be overlooked depending on who is doing the analysis.
  • HotIgneous Intruder: Why does nobody speak the obvious?
    Yes, Boeing really farked up this software fix in order to make the plane flyable with the new engines without doing a comprehensive aerodynamic re-engineering.


    Funny, I think that it's been hypothesized quite a bit that this is exactly the case. But if you're wondering why major American news sources haven't stated it, it may be due to not having enough information to make them willing to harm a, "Made in America," mentality without some kind of real evidence.

    /not exactly thrilled by a software fix for a hardware problem
    //especially when the results are so much worse than a floating-point error affecting 4th and 9th digits
    ///or a transposed opcode requiring a restart of the computer
  • Daedalus27: Contrabulous Flabtraption: iToad: Also interesting. The Ethiopians are having the crash investigated by Europeans instead of Americans. It's as if they think that if we do it, some sort of under-the-table political shenanigans involving large sums of money might possibly influence the final report.  Looking at the honest, moral, and upright people currently running things in Washington, it's hard to see why they could ever think that this could be true.

    Or...hear me out...Europeans are competent and several thousand miles closer.

    They are also potentially biased as remember France still owns over 11% of Airbus which is Boeing's chief rival who would love to discredit a Boeing product.  So there is potential appearance of bias all around whether it was done by the NTSB or BEA. I think getting this figured out and fixed is the priority of all involved as the airline industry suffers when planes regularly fall out of the sky.  However the manner it is done whether covering up incompetence or trying to lay blame on incompetence certainly can't be overlooked depending on who is doing the analysis.


    Airbus? More like Scarebus...  Ok, I can't remember the rest.  BSABSDS (so die screaming)
  • Analgesic: Daedalus27: Contrabulous Flabtraption: iToad: Also interesting. The Ethiopians are having the crash investigated by Europeans instead of Americans. It's as if they think that if we do it, some sort of under-the-table political shenanigans involving large sums of money might possibly influence the final report.  Looking at the honest, moral, and upright people currently running things in Washington, it's hard to see why they could ever think that this could be true.

    Or...hear me out...Europeans are competent and several thousand miles closer.

    They are also potentially biased as remember France still owns over 11% of Airbus which is Boeing's chief rival who would love to discredit a Boeing product.  So there is potential appearance of bias all around whether it was done by the NTSB or BEA. I think getting this figured out and fixed is the priority of all involved as the airline industry suffers when planes regularly fall out of the sky.  However the manner it is done whether covering up incompetence or trying to lay blame on incompetence certainly can't be overlooked depending on who is doing the analysis.

    Airbus? More like Scarebus...  Ok, I can't remember the rest.  BSABSDS (so die screaming)


    Nice. Good planes.
  • I am not saying the BEA is going to put it's thumb on the scale in the analysis. I am just questioning the people who claim the US and NTSB would cover things up to protect Boeing without acknowledging the fact that France has an actual ownership stake in the competitor of Boeing.  Who has the stronger motivation to manipulate results?  Who would be an unbiased party to do the analysis is tough to gauge, Canada, Japan, Singapore, maybe.  It depends on who has the labs and software to handle it.
  • Daedalus27: I am not saying the BEA is going to put it's thumb on the scale in the analysis. I am just questioning the people who claim the US and NTSB would cover things up to protect Boeing without acknowledging the fact that France has an actual ownership stake in the competitor of Boeing.  Who has the stronger motivation to manipulate results?  Who would be an unbiased party to do the analysis is tough to gauge, Canada, Japan, Singapore, maybe.  It depends on who has the labs and software to handle it.


    Welcome to Fark, where hate and ignorance prevails.  Just leave the Fark aviation/political experts to their circle jerks.
  • They had some other planes awhile back if I remember right that had the same problems these places had w/Jackscrews.
    Oh yeah (thx Google) Flight 261 Alaskan Airlines outta Seattle 1/31/2000 landed in the ocean (the hard way)
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