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  • That's odd. My nerd alert detector just went off.
  • Despite being terrible overall, that series did create a couple of interesting characters. Janeway wasn't one of them.
  • Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Despite being terrible overall, that series did create a couple of interesting characters. Janeway wasn't one of them.


    It didn't help that the character was all over the place from one episode to the next. That said, Mulgrew did real well with what she was given.
  • NeoCortex42: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Despite being terrible overall, that series did create a couple of interesting characters. Janeway wasn't one of them.

    It didn't help that the character was all over the place from one episode to the next. That said, Mulgrew did real well with what she was given.



    I disagree. With her stilted Hepburn-wannabe delivery she is grating in more active scenes and incompetent in quieter scenes.

    She was better than Bujold, who was an obvious disaster, but I think others on the short list could've made Janeway work better.
  • NeoCortex42: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Despite being terrible overall, that series did create a couple of interesting characters. Janeway wasn't one of them.

    It didn't help that the character was all over the place from one episode to the next. That said, Mulgrew did real well with what she was given.


    Totally agree. One of the first season episodes had Tuvok going behind Janeway's back and srealling some tech that would help Voyager get home faster. Janeway ends the episode scolding Tuvok and saying 'I can't trust you now'. Very next episode, it's like the whole thing was forgotten and Janeway was back to relying on Tuvok.
  • Janeway was probably the most bi-polar captain there was. When it came to each episode, you could flip a coin to decide whether she was going to uphold federation standards and ideals and self-sacrificing the opportunity to get home quicker, or whether the extreme hardships faced by the crew meant temporarily abandoning those ideals in order to get home quicker.
  • Will the statue be all over the place and poorly focused?
  • Will the statue revert to a salamander?
  • Just think, 200 years from now the Romulan Party is going to try to rewrite history and tear all the Federation monuments down. I mean, who does Indiana think it is celebrating those treasonous surrendering losers with monuments to their "leaders".  The Old Dominion Party won't stand for such revisionist tinkering.

    /I have no idea where I'm going with this
  • I thought Janeway was fine and Voyager was a pretty solid show overall.

    At the very least it didn't have Vic Fontaine.  Or entire episodes dedicated to the Ferengi.  Or freaking Will Riker.  Or Tasha Yar.  Or Wesley.
  • Will the statue be replaced by a younger, way hotter and bustier statue that becomes far more popular?
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  • While Janeway as a character was no paragon of consistency, neither were most other captains. Sisko straight up committed actual war crimes (such as poisoning an entire planet's atmosphere) and numerous other shady shennanigans, Kirk did whatever the hell he felt like at the time, even Picard wound up going off and doing derpy stuff from time to time, and then Archer was...Archer.

    Star Trek was always episodic space fantasy where most of the audience only caught the show once in a while on syndication and it was more intended as a canvas to explore themes and ideas than be a consisent coherent narrative. That's not to excuse some of the abysmal writing on Voyager, but that's only a matter of degrees, and each series had tons of garbage episodes and monstrous inconsistencies. For every Inner Light, there was an Up the Long Ladder and a Shades of Grey.
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  • Wolf892: Will the statue be replaced by a younger, way hotter and bustier statue that becomes far more popular?


    Yup, they're going with this version:
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    (Rowr!)
  • The Flexecutioner: Just think, 200 years from now the Romulan Party is going to try to rewrite history and tear all the Federation monuments down. I mean, who does Indiana think it is celebrating those treasonous surrendering losers with monuments to their "leaders".  The Old Dominion Party won't stand for such revisionist tinkering.

    /I have no idea where I'm going with this


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  • zbtop: While Janeway as a character was no paragon of consistency, neither were most other captains. Sisko straight up committed actual war crimes (such as poisoning an entire planet's atmosphere) and numerous other shady shennanigans


    The entire point of the latter half of DS9 was the apparent contradiction between the Federation ideals and the necessities of war.  Sisko generally didn't do contradictory things because of bad writing, but because he had two competing philosophies.  Sisko was dedicated to trying to pursue both, but couldn't do it without being self-contradictory at times.  He was explicitly called out for that a lot (e.g. during the Marquis story lines).

    Voyager seemed to be trying to do a similar thing (the ideals of the Federation vs survival), but it was too afraid to really do anything meaningful with the survival side of things so it ended up just looking silly.

    Picard was pretty consistent, especially given the fact that any TNG season had a good number of really terrible episodes that they clearly didn't put any time or resources into.

    Enterprise suffered similar problems to Voyager - they couldn't decide what they wanted it to be.  For the first few seasons Archer was pretty consistently being the ideal Federation captain.  But that was boring, so they went in a completely different direction to pick up viewers in the 3rd season.  And that wasn't great either, so they went in another direction in season 4.  Which worked, but the previous seasons were sufficiently bad that they couldn't recover.
  • They weren't lost, they were just far away in an uncharted area.  They got it turned around and going in the right direction.
  • God what a waste of money.
    Hope the homeless use it for a toilet.
  • The Flexecutioner: Just think, 200 years from now the Romulan Party is going to try to rewrite history and tear all the Federation monuments down. I mean, who does Indiana think it is celebrating those treasonous surrendering losers with monuments to their "leaders".  The Old Dominion Party won't stand for such revisionist tinkering.

    /I have no idea where I'm going with this


    That's fine. Janeway didn't know where she was going with her ship, either.
  • Tor_Eckman: I thought Janeway was fine and Voyager was a pretty solid show overall.

    At the very least it didn't have Vic Fontaine.  Or entire episodes dedicated to the Ferengi.  Or freaking Will Riker.  Or Tasha Yar.  Or Wesley.


    I'd take a Ferengi episode over any b-plot with Kes and Nelix.
  • Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Despite being terrible overall, that series did create a couple of interesting characters. Janeway wasn't one of them.


    I think her character works. Probably not the way intended, but a harried captain always torn between Starfleet and "wow, everything is farked, forever, might was well do something that gets us out of this mess I created" was always fun. Frustrating but fun. She is like Sisko, minus the character growth after season 4.

    I always found her fun only because she was always played off 7 of 9, the Doctor, instead of being a stoic captain, so site of themself. She wasn't someone to look up to, but that made her more relatable to me.
  • Weatherkiss: Janeway was probably the most bi-polar captain there was. When it came to each episode, you could flip a coin to decide whether she was going to uphold federation standards and ideals and self-sacrificing the opportunity to get home quicker, or whether the extreme hardships faced by the crew meant temporarily abandoning those ideals in order to get home quicker.


    This is exactly what I hate about Voyager.

    The farking Tuvix episode really cheesed me off.
  • Weatherkiss: Janeway was probably the most bi-polar captain there was. When it came to each episode, you could flip a coin to decide whether she was going to uphold federation standards and ideals and self-sacrificing the opportunity to get home quicker, or whether the extreme hardships faced by the crew meant temporarily abandoning those ideals in order to get home quicker.


    A friend pointed out to me that Janeway's only consistent characterization was her need for coffee. Everything else changed episode to episode.

    /So the monument better have her with a coffee cup in her hand
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