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  • They're both massively overrated & neither can sing all that well?
  • People keep misunderstand their songs and appropriating them for purposes counter to the lyrics?
  • Springsteen was a cameo on CSI?
  • Straight Outta Wells Branch: They're both massively overrated & neither can sing all that well?


    Bruce is an excellent songwriter and a great human being.
  • theflatline: Straight Outta Wells Branch: They're both massively overrated & neither can sing all that well?

    Bruce is an excellent songwriter and a great human being.


    And an incredibly shiatty singer.
  • Springsteen is a musical genius.  Swift is a pop star.  The two are completely different things.
    Bruce Springsteen - It's hard to be a saint in the city (lyrics)
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  • No wonder I always thought Bruce sucked.
  • The more I learn about music and the better I get at it, the more I appreciate people like them. They're quite brilliant.
  • Bruce just looked so uncomfortable during his dance scenes in Cats.
  • chucknasty: Springsteen was a cameo on CSI?


    No it was Becky
  • edmo: The more I learn about music and the better I get at it, the more I appreciate people like them. They're quite brilliant.


    This.
    I will never be a Taylor Swift fan.  Her music is just not what I appreciate.

    But I can recognize the talent.

    I also have grown to kind of tired of the "musicians that dont appeal to me are untalented people" thing also.
  • Good take on swift
    Less so on Springsteen
  • Other than being a rich kid who basically purchased her way into a career, Taylor Swift's exactly like Springsteen.
  • Her drummer is going to be on a former Simpson's writers late night band?
  • Other than having bigger biceps, Springsteen's exactly like Taylor Swift.
  • Marcus Aurelius: Springsteen is a musical genius.  Swift is a pop star.  The two are completely different things.
    [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/s9aklSlM​thc]


    While I have gut instincts to follow you down that rabbit hole, I must disagree. Bruce put huge effort into becoming a 'successful recording artist' in the sense of working to sell records and appeal to the general public. In many ways, he's more of a sell-out than Becky. I prefer Bruce but if you're going to be an honest critic, Taylor Swift has pursued her art in as honest and authentic way as Bruce, even if she may have gotten a start in a different way from Springsteen.

    So ultimately, each figured out what they needed to do to get a start and worked until it happened, and then each has pursued their career in an honest manner. The similarities over-ride the differences.
  • PaulRB: Other than being a rich kid who basically purchased her way into a career, Taylor Swift's exactly like Springsteen.


    You can be both born into incredible privilege and be incredibly good at what you do. The two are not mutually exclusive.

    Look at some of the top players in sports right now:

    NFL: The best QB (Mahomes) has a dad who played 13 years in MLB, and arguably the best RB (McCaffery)'s father was a Hall of Fame NFL player in his own right.

    NBA: Steph Curry and Klay Thompson's fathers had long NBA careers. Kevin Love's father played in NBA and his uncle was one of the Beach Boys.
  • Straight Outta Wells Branch: theflatline: Straight Outta Wells Branch: They're both massively overrated & neither can sing all that well?

    Bruce is an excellent songwriter and a great human being.

    And an incredibly shiatty singer.


    No, you're thinking of Bob Dylan 😜
  • PaulRB: Other than being a rich kid who basically purchased her way into a career, Taylor Swift's exactly like Springsteen.


    You think she's the only daughter of a really rich person who wants to be a singer?
  • The most obvious difference between the reception of Springsteen and Swift is also the most obvious difference between the two of them as people: He is a man, and she is a woman.

    Swift didn't exactly discourage listeners from constantly parsing her lyrics to figure out which of her famous exes she was singing about early in her career; she even hid hints in her liner notes to help fans decode her clues. But the degree to which she was written off, for years, as a fundamentally unserious and self-involved artist reflects the ways in which domestic and romantic concerns are written off as unimportant when women talk about them.

    By comparison, Springsteen has so many songs about teenage boys crushing on teenage girls, but few people try to figure out who he's talking about when he mentions the almost mythical "Mary" in songs throughout his career. Perhaps it's because he wasn't dating famous people as a teenager, and perhaps because it's sadly still too common to think a man singing about an adolescent crush has more artistic merit than a woman doing the same thing.


    You're reaching here.  Rock is filled with classic female-sung songs about adolsecent crushes.  "Leader Of The Pack."  "It's My Party."  "He's So Fine."

    The author is right the first time: Swift isn't taken as serious as a songwriter as Springsteen because she spent too much time inviting the listener to believe that her songs were autobiographical and personal, rather than universal.  Nobody is trying to figure out who the various characters in Springsteen's songs represent because it's always been clear that Springsteen's characters are just archetypes.
  • Songs by Bruce about exes: 50. Sing by Bruce about cunnilingus = 0. Coincidence?
  • PaulRB: Other than being a rich kid who basically purchased her way into a career, Taylor Swift's exactly like Springsteen.


    Bruce was in the cover of Time and Newsweek on the same week in 1975. At the time they were both selling millions of copies a week and were incredibly important news sources. To make the cover of both magazines at the same time was not done with out having one serious pr machine supporting you.
  • wademh: Marcus Aurelius: Springsteen is a musical genius.  Swift is a pop star.  The two are completely different things.
    [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/s9aklSlM​thc]

    While I have gut instincts to follow you down that rabbit hole, I must disagree. Bruce put huge effort into becoming a 'successful recording artist' in the sense of working to sell records and appeal to the general public. In many ways, he's more of a sell-out than Becky. I prefer Bruce but if you're going to be an honest critic, Taylor Swift has pursued her art in as honest and authentic way as Bruce, even if she may have gotten a start in a different way from Springsteen.

    So ultimately, each figured out what they needed to do to get a start and worked until it happened, and then each has pursued their career in an honest manner. The similarities over-ride the differences.


    Great post. I was trying to come up with a response to OP but you nailed it.

    Bruce has left an incredible legacy but I would never use the word "genius" to describe his work. Nothing about his songwriting and performances is intuitive, it's all been studied out and practiced. He willed himself to be successful, and it worked.

    Counterpoint - Stevie Wonder, musical genius.
  • Bruce Springsteen is a VERY American singer. Apart from "Born in USA", he's not that famous outside of America. And I have to admit, listening to some others of his song, I've always wondered what the big deal was.
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