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  • If it's true?

    Hang 'em high.
  • Imagine if Trump weren't an idiot and wasn't surrounded by such ineptitude. The next version will know how to keep their mouth shut and will surround themself with people who know what they're doing, do it mostly under the radar until it's too late, and do it well.

    Biden needs to win, and things like this need to be thoroughly investigated and prosecuted. This country cannot withstand more of this kind of "leadership." The fact that it possibly happened at all shows we're already broken.
  • waxbeans: cretinbob: easier to post links from PC

    So the marshal deputies give conflicting accounts.
    The guy did have a gun in his pocket.
    I have been assured that carrying a gun is an inalienable right and not at all illegal.

    Until it's not.
    Selective prosecution.
    Discharging a weapon in the city is against the law. But, seldom does self-defense shootings get charged with discharging a weapon.


    You have a constitutional right to self defense, so if you reasonably believe your life is in danger, that supersedes the law against discharging of a firearm.

    That said, simply having a gun on you, even if you are carrying it illegally, is not grounds to be killed by the police. If it were, the police would be justified in opening fire on all the militia guys, because every state has laws against private militias that make it illegal for private individuals to carry out their own private police/military operations.  You can use a gun to defend your home, but the minute you set up a perimeter around someone else's property "to protect it" you are breaking the law, unless their life is in immediate danger.

    Third thing, even if the shooting was a hundred percent legit and self defense on the part of the cops here, and Trump gave no order for them to make the shooting, but is claiming to have done so after the fact, it would be grounds to have any cases against anyone else that may have been working with the victim, thrown out, and it opens the government to civil lawsuits.  

    Finally, it is illegal as hell for a president to order the killing of an American, even one who is suspected of committing a crime, so giving such an order, even if it ends up the cops did not follow it, or were unaware that such an order had been given, means the president is guilty of a serious felony, so Trump is in fact claiming he committed murder by giving such an order.

    What pisses me off is that every conservative I know is just gonna turn red in the face, and stomp their feet, and angrily claim that the left is protecting murderers and cuddling criminals when any of this is pointed out.  It doesn't matter if the deceased in this case was a murderer.  We have laws and the fact is, if killing someone without judicial action is okay, because they committed a crime, then it was okay for the victim in this case, to have murdered the right wing militia guy, because that guy was also breaking the law at the time.
  • Duh. Everyone knew this was a targeted assassination of an American citizen, on American soil, by the Feds. They were never going to arrest him and grant him due process in a criminal court.
    /I'm just surprised they didn't drone him instead.
  • cretinbob: easier to post links from PC

    So the marshal deputies give conflicting accounts.
    The guy did have a gun in his pocket.
    I have been assured that carrying a gun is an inalienable right and not at all illegal.


    Thanks for the link.

    Stingers are never put in pockets, noooo, neeeever.

    Telling an ex-serviceman offering CPR to go away is macho-bullshiat-- if that witness is truthful.

    WTF is this FTA first line:
    Late summer sunshine bathed a working-class neighborhood in suburban Olympia,

    Iterated in the 6th from the last paragraph, like frickin' denouement to a climax...
    A moment after the shooting, Louis, the father of two, stared across the street,

    still bathed in late summer sunshine,


    Surveilled associate provided a safe-house, not revealed to the public? Uh-Ro. Police assets still a cookin'!

    Son declares fugitive told him he'd evade arrest. Thanks, junior. I guess Dad wasn't the most "providing" of types, huh? More of a teach through example, guy, than by substantial means. Principled.
  • Rhino Jockey: Wanted for questioning:
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  • My Sober Alt: I really don't know because this is just another story I don't think we'll ever know what really happened.


    Yeah, though highly questionable, if the president of the United States of America wasn't publicly saying he sort of put a hit out on the guy, this would probably go nowhere.

    And it isn't that it doesn't suck, it's just that in reality it's kind of an iffy situation. Iffy situations tend to go in favor of the LEO side. Hell, even non-iffy situations go in favor of LEO.

    All in all, I would expect an investigation that goes nowhere in the end.
  • EmmaLou: Imagine if Trump weren't an idiot and wasn't surrounded by such ineptitude. The next version will know how to keep their mouth shut and will surround themself with people who know what they're doing, do it mostly under the radar until it's too late, and do it well.

    Biden needs to win, and things like this need to be thoroughly investigated and prosecuted. This country cannot withstand more of this kind of "leadership." The fact that it possibly happened at all shows we're already broken.


    Wholly agreed.  There need to be investigations into everything - and those investigations should be held regardless of whether Trump and his people pardon each other or not.  If they don't, charge them or not as appropriate.  If they do?  Complete the investigations anyway, just to shine daylight on it.  This cannot be allowed to stand.

    Oh, and any investigations should be wholly public.  No redactions for anything except national security, with redactions that being reviewed and confirmed or denied by a committee comprised of one elected individual chosen by each significant party, one non-partisan individual picked by the House & one by the senate, and one judge picked by SCOTUS.  Everyone needs to be shown as being invested in this.  Everyone.
  • RottenEggs: Albert911emt: Everything Trump touches dies or is corrupted.

    He'll be Hillary level soon .


    Trump probably has been whining "why can't I kill people when I want like Hillary and Obama!"
  • winedrinkingman: waxbeans: cretinbob: easier to post links from PC

    So the marshal deputies give conflicting accounts.
    The guy did have a gun in his pocket.
    I have been assured that carrying a gun is an inalienable right and not at all illegal.

    Until it's not.
    Selective prosecution.
    Discharging a weapon in the city is against the law. But, seldom does self-defense shootings get charged with discharging a weapon.

    You have a constitutional right to self defense, so if you reasonably believe your life is in danger, that supersedes the law against discharging of a firearm.

    That said, simply having a gun on you, even if you are carrying it illegally, is not grounds to be killed by the police. If it were, the police would be justified in opening fire on all the militia guys, because every state has laws against private militias that make it illegal for private individuals to carry out their own private police/military operations.  You can use a gun to defend your home, but the minute you set up a perimeter around someone else's property "to protect it" you are breaking the law, unless their life is in immediate danger.

    Third thing, even if the shooting was a hundred percent legit and self defense on the part of the cops here, and Trump gave no order for them to make the shooting, but is claiming to have done so after the fact, it would be grounds to have any cases against anyone else that may have been working with the victim, thrown out, and it opens the government to civil lawsuits.  

    Finally, it is illegal as hell for a president to order the killing of an American, even one who is suspected of committing a crime, so giving such an order, even if it ends up the cops did not follow it, or were unaware that such an order had been given, means the president is guilty of a serious felony, so Trump is in fact claiming he committed murder by giving such an order.

    What pisses me off is that every conservative I know is just gonna turn red in the face, and stomp their feet, and angrily claim that the left is protecting murderers and cuddling criminals when any of this is pointed out.  It doesn't matter if the deceased in this case was a murderer.  We have laws and the fact is, if killing someone without judicial action is okay, because they committed a crime, then it was okay for the victim in this case, to have murdered the right wing militia guy, because that guy was also breaking the law at the time.


    I don't disagree.
    But, the cops regularly kill people.
    They killed a kid with a toy gun.
    They killed a man with a CCL.
    They hurt a man having a diabetic seizure. They insisted he was resisting.
    They killed a kid for wearing a mask.
    They killed a man for refusing to enter a police vehicle.
    They killed women for allegedly being a stash House. (Which is completely different from being a drug den) which means even if she was guilty she wasn't actually facing that much time.
    They shot a man for going for his wallet after the officer specifically asked him for identification.
    They strangled them in for ceiling cigarettes.
    They beat a man for several minutes for DWI animating arrest. Meanwhile they could have just handcuffed them at any time considering how much they had already beat him.
    But reasons.
  • transporter_ii: And it isn't that it doesn't suck, it's just that in reality it's kind of an iffy situation. almost all situations tend to go in favor of the LEO side. Hell, even non-iffy situations go in favor of LEO.


    FTFY
  • Why? Was the guy on 5th Avenue?
  • ReaverZ: RottenEggs: Albert911emt: Everything Trump touches dies or is corrupted.

    He'll be Hillary level soon .

    Trump probably has been whining "why can't I kill people when I want like Hillary and Obama!"


    Killing people he doesn't like, is the job he thought he was getting in 2016
  • The victim here was interviewed on a couple left wing podcasts, offering his version of events, the day before this happened. He actually told interviewers that he expected he  would be killed rather than prosecuted.
  • FTA:

    REPS [...] CALL FOR INVESTIGATION

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  • An investigation into an extrajudicial killing likely ordered by Trump and carried out by a hastily assembled death squad?

    I am sure Bill Barr will get right on that.

    That cynically noted, this does deserve a real investigation.

    If it gets any attention it will get a whitewash from the WH.
  • maddog2030: ...and then?


    And then Democrats write an angry letter to Barr telling him the perpetrators should be prosecuted, which Barr wipes his ass with.
  • Albert911emt: Everything Trump touches dies or is corrupted.


    Trump would be Sauron, but only if Sauron was a big, angry, flaming-orange vagina
  • RottenEggs: Albert911emt: Everything Trump touches dies or is corrupted.

    He'll be Hillary level soon .


    2 or 3 more decades till Biden level.
  • monsatano: Twilight Farkle: [YouTube video: Capital T (Capital G/Nine Inch Nails Trump Remix)]

    Year Zero explained what would happen if we let the policies of the Bush II administration run their natural course. We didn't listen.

    [YouTube video: The Warning]


    To be fair, that's because most people haven't heard of Year Zero, and the mix of that song is so bad you can barely hear the singer over the music.
  • Roshamon: Albert911emt: Everything Trump touches dies or is corrupted.

    Trump would be Sauron, but only if Sauron was a big, angry, flaming-orange vagina


    Putin is Morgoth?
  • shpritz: waxbeans: cretinbob: easier to post links from PC

    So the marshal deputies give conflicting accounts.
    The guy did have a gun in his pocket.
    I have been assured that carrying a gun is an inalienable right and not at all illegal.

    Until it's not.
    Selective prosecution.
    Discharging a weapon in the city is against the law. But, seldom does self-defense shootings get charged with discharging a weapon.

    You're thinking of the incident where he shot the maggot.

    cretinbob is talking about when the marshals chose to execute him on the spot instead of arresting him


    Thanks Marshalls for saving tax dollars on booking, processing, jail, trial, etc.  Don't worry I am sure some body cam footage will show the antifaTHER was in the wrong.
  • EmmaLou: Imagine if Trump weren't an idiot and wasn't surrounded by such ineptitude. The next version will know how to keep their mouth shut and will surround themself with people who know what they're doing, do it mostly under the radar until it's too late, and do it well.

    Biden needs to win, and things like this need to be thoroughly investigated and prosecuted. This country cannot withstand more of this kind of "leadership." The fact that it possibly happened at all shows we're already broken.


    The fact that Nixon was pardoned showed the country was broken. Everything else has been the inevitable result of that.

    \of course, there's also the fact that the country was created broken, what with the whole slavery thing.
  • cretinbob: Apparently these " marshals" were hastily deputized and were guys like corrections officers and other people who were not career marshals.
    Makes you wonder why that is.


    Or how many yahoos out there think they have a license to kill
  • We're also going to have to clear out the U.S. Marshalls after the Election as well?

    Jesus, is there nothing in our Federal Government left of the previous 200 years of progress?
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