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  • The minute they pushed the original writer from the first game out they'd signed the death warrant on this game.  I'm not surprised that they've farked it so hard with meddling that it's now going to require a complete rewrite.  I will say I'm surprised Paradox meddled that badly, they seemed like they were pretty hands off with Battletech.
  • LowbrowDeluxe: The minute they pushed the original writer from the first game out they'd signed the death warrant on this game.  I'm not surprised that they've farked it so hard with meddling that it's now going to require a complete rewrite.  I will say I'm surprised Paradox meddled that badly, they seemed like they were pretty hands off with Battletech.


    Has Paradox been meddling?  I thought Hardsuit were the ones who booted Mitsoda.  Switching companies entirely might be more of a sign of just how thoroughly Hardsuit has shiat the bed.  Not particularly shocking, their track record on games is far from stellar.

    But yeah, overall, this game has reached the point where it's got "development hell" written all over it.  I was looking forward to it despite everything, but it might be about time to call it a sunk cost and scrap it.  If they cut a deal with Microsoft and get Obsidian to work on it, they might have a shot, but I don't know that anyone is really in a position to save this thing at this point.
  • Last Man on Earth: LowbrowDeluxe: The minute they pushed the original writer from the first game out they'd signed the death warrant on this game.  I'm not surprised that they've farked it so hard with meddling that it's now going to require a complete rewrite.  I will say I'm surprised Paradox meddled that badly, they seemed like they were pretty hands off with Battletech.

    Has Paradox been meddling?  I thought Hardsuit were the ones who booted Mitsoda.  Switching companies entirely might be more of a sign of just how thoroughly Hardsuit has shiat the bed.  Not particularly shocking, their track record on games is far from stellar.

    But yeah, overall, this game has reached the point where it's got "development hell" written all over it.  I was looking forward to it despite everything, but it might be about time to call it a sunk cost and scrap it.  If they cut a deal with Microsoft and get Obsidian to work on it, they might have a shot, but I don't know that anyone is really in a position to save this thing at this point.


    yeah, I think you're right actually.  Just the whole incident screamed 'corporate meddling' which I usually associate with the publisher.  Been saying for a while that the sequence of events reads like some corporate suit took a look at the nearly completed game and demanded it be turned into a GTA clone or something to compete with Cyberpunk.
  • LowbrowDeluxe: yeah, I think you're right actually.  Just the whole incident screamed 'corporate meddling' which I usually associate with the publisher.  Been saying for a while that the sequence of events reads like some corporate suit took a look at the nearly completed game and demanded it be turned into a GTA clone or something to compete with Cyberpunk.


    In a sense, I wonder if "competing with Cyberpunk" is part of the problem.  After the absolute disaster that hit CDPR following the release backlash, Paradox might have decided to take a harder look at how this game was coming along to avoid being the next company against the wall.  That's just a guess, though.  Much as I loved the original (bugs and all), there's no chance I'm getting this without a whole lot of reviews first, if it ever comes out at all.
  • Last Man on Earth: LowbrowDeluxe: yeah, I think you're right actually.  Just the whole incident screamed 'corporate meddling' which I usually associate with the publisher.  Been saying for a while that the sequence of events reads like some corporate suit took a look at the nearly completed game and demanded it be turned into a GTA clone or something to compete with Cyberpunk.

    In a sense, I wonder if "competing with Cyberpunk" is part of the problem.  After the absolute disaster that hit CDPR following the release backlash, Paradox might have decided to take a harder look at how this game was coming along to avoid being the next company against the wall.  That's just a guess, though.  Much as I loved the original (bugs and all), there's no chance I'm getting this without a whole lot of reviews first, if it ever comes out at all.


    Thats probably the crux of this. Development hell combined with the backlash from cyberpunk has probably got Paradox rattled and didn't wanna follow in its footsteps.
  • Damn, I had preordered this close to a year ago and hadn't read about any of the drama. I played the hell out of Bloodlines.

    Yanking the whole studio seems extreme, even for trying to avoid another Cyberpunk. Hopefully it goes to another studio that can clean up the mess.
  • Shakes999: Last Man on Earth: LowbrowDeluxe: yeah, I think you're right actually.  Just the whole incident screamed 'corporate meddling' which I usually associate with the publisher.  Been saying for a while that the sequence of events reads like some corporate suit took a look at the nearly completed game and demanded it be turned into a GTA clone or something to compete with Cyberpunk.

    In a sense, I wonder if "competing with Cyberpunk" is part of the problem.  After the absolute disaster that hit CDPR following the release backlash, Paradox might have decided to take a harder look at how this game was coming along to avoid being the next company against the wall.  That's just a guess, though.  Much as I loved the original (bugs and all), there's no chance I'm getting this without a whole lot of reviews first, if it ever comes out at all.

    Thats probably the crux of this. Development hell combined with the backlash from cyberpunk has probably got Paradox rattled and didn't wanna follow in its footsteps.


    I concur. I was guessing they would push it back at least 6 months when I saw all the negative press CDPR was getting, I wasn't expecting a whole year though.
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  • LowbrowDeluxe: Last Man on Earth: LowbrowDeluxe: The minute they pushed the original writer from the first game out they'd signed the death warrant on this game.  I'm not surprised that they've farked it so hard with meddling that it's now going to require a complete rewrite.  I will say I'm surprised Paradox meddled that badly, they seemed like they were pretty hands off with Battletech.

    Has Paradox been meddling?  I thought Hardsuit were the ones who booted Mitsoda.  Switching companies entirely might be more of a sign of just how thoroughly Hardsuit has shiat the bed.  Not particularly shocking, their track record on games is far from stellar.

    But yeah, overall, this game has reached the point where it's got "development hell" written all over it.  I was looking forward to it despite everything, but it might be about time to call it a sunk cost and scrap it.  If they cut a deal with Microsoft and get Obsidian to work on it, they might have a shot, but I don't know that anyone is really in a position to save this thing at this point.

    yeah, I think you're right actually.  Just the whole incident screamed 'corporate meddling' which I usually associate with the publisher.  Been saying for a while that the sequence of events reads like some corporate suit took a look at the nearly completed game and demanded it be turned into a GTA clone or something to compete with Cyberpunk.


    Paradox is...strange. They can be brilliant one moment, then make you wonder WTF the next. Example: the Jason Momoa Conan film. Paradox owns the Robert E. Howard estate rights, so they produced the film. But then, instead of adapting an REH or other established story, they craft the film around the lore of their MMO, which had already gone Free To Play by that time.
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    "Both"? They're the same people.

    I'm fine with a game getting delayed so that a better product is released.
  • Thats a shame :/ Paradox has a lot of good stuff under their wing.
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    "Both"? They're the same people.

    I'm fine with a game getting delayed so that a better product is released.


    Oh good, so the takeaway is that the important part of this strawman you're fighting in this thread is just that you found a way to feel smugly superior in general.  What a shock.
  • yeah i'm real sure this all 2077's fault.
    If 2077 were not such the hot liquid cat shiat still so fresh in the cereal bowl, they'd have totally released their own hot steamer on time and totally half baked. but it's just "too soon" right now.

    So i figure all the dev houses, good or bad, are all in a hold up pattern. Like even if they don't really do more work on their projects, they just can't take a hot dump on everyone too soon after the last one was dropped.
    So they gotta at least postpone the shiatfest they got for a bit till we've collectively forgotten about the current crap fest.
  • PvtStash: yeah i'm real sure this all 2077's fault.
    If 2077 were not such the hot liquid cat shiat still so fresh in the cereal bowl, they'd have totally released their own hot steamer on time and totally half baked. but it's just "too soon" right now.

    So i figure all the dev houses, good or bad, are all in a hold up pattern. Like even if they don't really do more work on their projects, they just can't take a hot dump on everyone too soon after the last one was dropped.
    So they gotta at least postpone the shiatfest they got for a bit till we've collectively forgotten about the current crap fest.


    My personal interpretation is that Hardsuit screwed the pooch with some kind of corporate meddling trying to turn the game into something it isn't and it's going to take a year+ to rip it back down and rebuild what had been almost finished.  At least that's my hope.  When they fired the creative director out of the blue heading into the last stretch I've been assuming someone somewhere said something like "make it more of an arena shooter" or "how can we add micro-transactions?"  The alternative is whoever Paradox gets in to clean it up is going to be tasked with 'finishing' whatever half-assed monstrosity was so bad Paradox shiatcanned the studio.
  • RoyFokker'sGhost: Paradox is...strange. They can be brilliant one moment, then make you wonder WTF the next. Example: the Jason Momoa Conan film. Paradox owns the Robert E. Howard estate rights, so they produced the film. But then, instead of adapting an REH or other established story, they craft the film around the lore of their MMO, which had already gone Free To Play by that time.


    You are a little discombobulated.

    Funcom has exclusive video game rights to Conan, but nothing else.  It doesn't own the intellectual property, had absolutely nothing to do with the movie, and certainly didn't make a film around the MMO.  Paradox Interactive, the video game company, was spun off of the old Paradox Entertainment which owns the rights to Conan but they haven't bene the same company for a while now.  As far as I know Paradox Interactive never made an MMO.
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    "Both"? They're the same people.

    I'm fine with a game getting delayed so that a better product is released.

    Oh good, so the takeaway is that the important part of this strawman you're fighting in this thread is just that you found a way to feel smugly superior in general.  What a shock.


    Strawman? That literally is what happened with Cyberpunk. Hordes screaming each time they delayed the game to polish it, and then the same hordes screaming when they released it with bugs.

    And it's not in general: I just feel smugly superior to the above-mentioned hypocrites, and to you, for being in such a rush to call things strawmen and post xkcd cartoons without any understanding of what they mean.
  • Imperator was so bad at release, they revamped the game almost completely. First time I was mad at them.

    So I'm glad they are more careful now.
  • When I read the writer and some of the vets from Bloodlines were canned, yeah, I was glad I did not fall into a pre-order temptation, which is rare. I might preorder Evil Genius 2 ... an hour before it gets released.

    Also, after reading the new VtM fluff, I was miffed at the limitation of clan selection in the upcoming Bloodlines 2. Shiat got interesting since the 2000s ...

    The Lasombra and Assamite are now Camarilla enforcers, replacing the Gangrel, Brujah and Tremere (the latter decimated by government agents and vampire hunters). The Lasombra's old faction, the Sabbat, broke apart after many of its members decided to go on a global safari to cannibalize ancient vampires ... and nobody has returned from the hunting trip yet (hinted to be successful for those who survived and they will be future enemies down the road). After some bloody comeuppance, the Giovanni are now just a cog in the old clan of necromancer vampires they usurped, and those bloodlines are building a new mystic faction. The Ministry (rebranded Followers of Set, most of whom dropped the Egyptian cult act) would be great to play in a dialogue-wheel game because they live off temptation and corruption of others as much as blood, and they are now odd couple allies of "good guy" vampire clans Brujah and Gangrel, who rebelled against the Cammies after Bloodlines.
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    "Both"? They're the same people.

    I'm fine with a game getting delayed so that a better product is released.

    Oh good, so the takeaway is that the important part of this strawman you're fighting in this thread is just that you found a way to feel smugly superior in general.  What a shock.

    Strawman? That literally is what happened with Cyberpunk. Hordes screaming each time they delayed the game to polish it, and then the same hordes screaming when they released it with bugs.

    And it's not in general: I just feel smugly superior to the above-mentioned hypocrites, and to you, for being in such a rush to call things strawmen and post xkcd cartoons without any understanding of what they mean.


    So your position is that you were posting about a generic faceless group of fans of an unrelated game, mentioned only in passing in the comments and only for reasons unrelated to your hypothetical point.  This point you deftly established your oh-so-smug superiority on by establishing both sides of the argument and attributing the hypothetical opponent only the weakest and flimsiest of reason.  If only there was a word for that.  If only.

    Also you can suck the corn off my taint.  Your feelings of superiority are as meaningful to me as whatever nutrition you get from it.
  • Practical_Draconian: When I read the writer and some of the vets from Bloodlines were canned, yeah, I was glad I did not fall into a pre-order temptation, which is rare. I might preorder Evil Genius 2 ... an hour before it gets released.


    I went ahead and took the plunge on Evil Genius 2.  All the footage so far looks like they successfully realized 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' and just made a prettier sequel.
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    "Both"? They're the same people.

    I'm fine with a game getting delayed so that a better product is released.

    Oh good, so the takeaway is that the important part of this strawman you're fighting in this thread is just that you found a way to feel smugly superior in general.  What a shock.

    Strawman? That literally is what happened with Cyberpunk. Hordes screaming each time they delayed the game to polish it, and then the same hordes screaming when they released it with bugs.

    And it's not in general: I just feel smugly superior to the above-mentioned hypocrites, and to you, for being in such a rush to call things strawmen and post xkcd cartoons without any understanding of what they mean.

    So your position is that you were posting about a generic faceless group of fans of an unrelated game, mentioned only in passing in the comments and only for reasons unrelated to your hypothetical point.


    Nah, it's apparently you specifically. In that thread, you're calling anyone who says that delays are okay a "corporate cocksucker": "'hurrrr go play something else' is just working the head with your lips while tonguing the balls." Maybe that's why you're acting so defensive now.
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    "Both"? They're the same people.

    I'm fine with a game getting delayed so that a better product is released.

    Oh good, so the takeaway is that the important part of this strawman you're fighting in this thread is just that you found a way to feel smugly superior in general.  What a shock.

    Strawman? That literally is what happened with Cyberpunk. Hordes screaming each time they delayed the game to polish it, and then the same hordes screaming when they released it with bugs.

    And it's not in general: I just feel smugly superior to the above-mentioned hypocrites, and to you, for being in such a rush to call things strawmen and post xkcd cartoons without any understanding of what they mean.

    So your position is that you were posting about a generic faceless group of fans of an unrelated game, mentioned only in passing in the comments and only for reasons unrelated to your hypothetical point.

    Nah, it's apparently you specifically. In that thread, you're calling anyone who says that delays are okay a "corporate cocksucker": "'hurrrr go play something else' is just working the head with your lips while tonguing the balls." Maybe that's why you're acting so defensive now.


    And I stand by it, especially talking to a self professed sommelier of dick-tasting.  You want to roll over and lift your legs because they couldn't get their shiat together after a seven year development cycle, feel free.  I, personally, think both being disgusted by the delays, and by the fark ups, is perfectly reasonable.  None of that, at all, has anything to do with this thread however.  This whole tangent is just you sucking off a straw cock out of desperation.  If you're that hard up try a GOP convention.
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    "Both"? They're the same people.

    I'm fine with a game getting delayed so that a better product is released.

    Oh good, so the takeaway is that the important part of this strawman you're fighting in this thread is just that you found a way to feel smugly superior in general.  What a shock.

    Strawman? That literally is what happened with Cyberpunk. Hordes screaming each time they delayed the game to polish it, and then the same hordes screaming when they released it with bugs.

    And it's not in general: I just feel smugly superior to the above-mentioned hypocrites, and to you, for being in such a rush to call things strawmen and post xkcd cartoons without any understanding of what they mean.

    So your position is that you were posting about a generic faceless group of fans of an unrelated game, mentioned only in passing in the comments and only for reasons unrelated to your hypothetical point.

    Nah, it's apparently you specifically. In that thread, you're calling anyone who says that delays are okay a "corporate cocksucker": "'hurrrr go play something else' is just working the head with your lips while tonguing the balls." Maybe that's why you're acting so defensive now.

    And I stand by it, especially talking to a self professed sommelier of dick-tasting.  You want to roll over and lift your legs because they couldn't get their shiat together after a seven year development cycle, feel free.  I, personally, think both being disgusted by the delays, and by the fark ups, is perfectly reasonable.  None of that, at all, has anything to do with this thread however.  This whole tangent is just you sucking off a straw cock out of desperation.  If you're that hard up tr ...


    See, right back to the hypocrisy and defensiveness. Also, I don't think 'self-professed' means what you think it means, just like you clearly don't know what a strawman is.
  • Theaetetus: See, right back to the hypocrisy and defensiveness. Also, I don't think 'self-professed' means what you think it means, just like you clearly don't know what a strawman is.


    And I don't think you know what either 'defensive' or 'hypocrisy' means.  Unfortunately for you, I'm perfectly aware of what 'self-professed' means in the context of having you farkied as 'self-professed sommelier of dick-tasting', and I stand by it as well.  Clearly the onus of providing citation and thread links for quotes doesn't lie on the person making them, and even if you did provide the link you desperately dug up for this thread last time I called you on it you accepted the farkie in an attempt to turn it around on me as a way to continue to act smugly superior.  So you own it.  And no.  I ain't going to bother to find that thread, either.  Y'all can stop doing that if you want me to stop calling you on it.
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