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  • It probably also helps that we got screwed so hard by Covid in the first place that the fear of God was placed into everyone.

    /well, the ~70% of the population who aren't batsh*t insane anyway.
  • When the UK announced we wouldn't join the EU vaccine program and go our own way lots of critics, and anti Brexiteers, were howling that the Tories were playing political games, the UK would be screwed, we'd never be able to buy vaccines, we'd be at the back of the queue etc etc.

    I don't think any of them have admitted they were wrong.

    The EU, after four years of pretending to care about Ireland and telling the UK there cannot be a border of any sort under any circumstances, suddenly announced they were putting border controls in Ireland, without even consulting the Irish government who found out by watching the news on TV. When both Sinn Fein and the DUP are calling you idiots then you know you messed up.
  • Well, you know what they say about what comes from Texas, right?
  • The euro is going to take a hit from this news. Time to throw some money in Forex.
  • France is going to herd it through the grapevine.
  • A new vaccine manufacturing facility just opened up this month in Germany.  They aim to create a couple hundred thousand doses of the Biontech-Pfiser vaccine in the first half of the year.  That should help.
  • xanadian: Well, you know what they say about what comes from Texas, right?


    your/subby's mom?
  • xanadian: Well, you know what they say about what comes from Texas, right?


    The Zodiac Killer?
  • The EU has a joint-purchasing arrangement for the vaccine, so the doses they have purchased have to be spread across ~500 million people, and the UK and US have bought most of the available doses. They'll get it together soon, though.
  • themindiswatching: It probably also helps that we got screwed so hard by Covid in the first place that the fear of God was placed into everyone.

    /well, the ~70% of the population who aren't batsh*t insane anyway.


    Every silver lining has a cloud.
  • The race to vaccinate populations in Europe and the West comes as rich nations are accused of hoarding doses at the expense of poorer ones

    I mean - aside from inventing it, paying for it, and manufacturing it - we really have no right to be first in line.
  • I don't know about the UK, but I find it hard to believe that the US can possibly reach herd immunity by the end of this year or next year. The vaccination rates now are impressive -- well not in my part of Maryland, but in general -- but this is the low-hanging fruit of willing recipients.

    At some stage, we're going to run out of sensible people and hit the anti-vaxxers, and then the rates are going to stall.
  • themindiswatching: It probably also helps that we got screwed so hard by Covid in the first place that the fear of God was placed into everyone.

    /well, the ~70% of the population who aren't batsh*t insane anyway.


    Unfortunately, 70% isn't enough to archive herd immunity any time soon.  Eventually, most of the anti-vaxxers will have been infected, then we will be okay.
  • tuxq: The euro is going to take a hit from this news. Time to throw some money in Forex.


    Considering that there are about 100 reports regarding anticipated herd immunity a day for this disease, all of which come to different conclusions, I very much doubt that currency traders will even notice and if they did, I don't see why the Euro would fall in value anyway.
  • Carter Pewterschmidt: When the UK announced we wouldn't join the EU vaccine program and go our own way lots of critics, and anti Brexiteers, were howling that the Tories were playing political games, the UK would be screwed, we'd never be able to buy vaccines, we'd be at the back of the queue etc etc.

    I don't think any of them have admitted they were wrong.


    Was joining the EU vaccine programme ever even a possibility? Bulk-buying every possible candidate in advance was definitely the right move, and possibly the only thing Boris and his cronies have got right in this whole sorry business.

    Let's not forget that Germany has roughly 40% of England's death rate from COVID-19.
  • orbister: Was joining the EU vaccine programme ever even a possibility?


    Yes, we were still in the transition period then and could have joined, but the government looked at the restrictions the EU were requiring and nope'd out of it. Same with the PPE buying deal before that, where the UK was heavily criticised by Remainers here for not taking part but again the EU made a complete pigs breakfast of their scheme and so not joining worked out fine.
  • natazha: themindiswatching: It probably also helps that we got screwed so hard by Covid in the first place that the fear of God was placed into everyone.

    /well, the ~70% of the population who aren't batsh*t insane anyway.

    Unfortunately, 70% isn't enough to archive herd immunity any time soon.  Eventually, most of the anti-vaxxers will have been infected, then we will be okay.


    It's interesting how, a year after Covid hit, we still have no clear idea just what percentage of the population has already been infected. Somewhere along the way we should have instituted a national testing regime that randomly sampled the population, and not just tested just those who showed up at hospitals or who thought they had symptoms.
  • Considering we are at a 4% vaccination rate and they are even considering the Russian Sputnik vaccine to fill the demamd.... Hurry the fark up because plenty of people want it in the EU.

    // It will be Autumn before we get it
  • xanadian: Well, you know what they say about what comes from Texas, right?


    It's salty and good for your skin?
  • Well, I guess it would have been silly to have started ramping production last April when the candidates began stage II/III trials. Those could have been wasted millions. Better to wait until after the vaccines are approved to start worrying about having every facility capable of producing mRNA and wrapping it in a lipid.
  • xanadian: Well, you know what they say about what comes from Texas, right?


    The last good Republican President?
  • beany: I don't know about the UK, but I find it hard to believe that the US can possibly reach herd immunity by the end of this year or next year. The vaccination rates now are impressive -- well not in my part of Maryland, but in general -- but this is the low-hanging fruit of willing recipients.

    At some stage, we're going to run out of sensible people and hit the anti-vaxxers, and then the rates are going to stall.


    Will we even notice though?  The average age of death is 79.  Once we vaccinate most of the elderly, I think the vaccination rate become less important.  I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I'll get it when it becomes available, but I think as a public health issue, the immediate crisis will be past.  And eventually, the vaccine will be normalized. The death rate is already plummeting, because we're vaccinating the elderly.
  • Rapmaster2000: tuxq: The euro is going to take a hit from this news. Time to throw some money in Forex.

    Considering that there are about 100 reports regarding anticipated herd immunity a day for this disease, all of which come to different conclusions, I very much doubt that currency traders will even notice and if they did, I don't see why the Euro would fall in value anyway.


    I just noticed it and I'm a currency trader. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/​N​Y.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locations=EU

    Simply put, if the UK and US re-open before the EU, the EU's GDP will look weak by comparison for the same timeline. This will impact the EUR/USD and EUR/GBP.
  • > low European vaccination numbers

    Not to mention... low European infection numbers
  • beany: I don't know about the UK, but I find it hard to believe that the US can possibly reach herd immunity by the end of this year or next year. The vaccination rates now are impressive -- well not in my part of Maryland, but in general -- but this is the low-hanging fruit of willing recipients.

    At some stage, we're going to run out of sensible people and hit the anti-vaxxers, and then the rates are going to stall.


    They can, the CDC already estimated 100 million exposed back in november before the holidays

    Remember actual cases =/= reported cases

    At the current rate, its entirely possible

    However, we may never reach true herd immunity with all these variants.

    We may have to continually get vaccined against it.

    But I dont think we are going to be see majoring outbreaks of this for awhile at least
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