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  • Oh lordy he is beyond stupid if he believes that every golfer in georgia wants equality in any form
  • Maybe they should rename the tournament "The Massas'"
  • Atomic Jonb: Maybe they should rename the tournament "The Massas'"


    oof. that's good. wow.
  • Rory McIlroy at his press conference this week: "I have to be respectful and somewhat careful what I say because I'm not a citizen of this country," Rory McIlroy said. "But I certainly think all great countries and democracies are built on equal voting rights and everyone being able to get to the ballot boxes as easily as possible."
    He added: "I'm all for getting people to get out and vote and to have a great democracy, and I've chosen to live in this country because I believe this country is the best country in the world."

    Soooo close Rory.  You were on the road to a coherent message and then caved to the pressure.  The equivalent of laying up on the 13th hole on Sunday when you're two shots behind.
  • Botkin of the Yard: Rory McIlroy at his press conference this week: "I have to be respectful and somewhat careful what I say because I'm not a citizen of this country," Rory McIlroy said. "But I certainly think all great countries and democracies are built on equal voting rights and everyone being able to get to the ballot boxes as easily as possible."
    He added: "I'm all for getting people to get out and vote and to have a great democracy, and I've chosen to live in this country because I believe this country is the best country in the world."

    Soooo close Rory.  You were on the road to a coherent message and then caved to the pressure.  The equivalent of laying up on the 13th hole on Sunday when you're two shots behind.


    As an expat getting ready to move back to the US after 10 years away - I fully sympathize. I almost never talk local politics with the citizens of my home country. It has to be people I really trust. And even then it can be really difficult and takes a lot of work to be clear and to understand one another properly. (This is not to say I don't listen - I listen to opinions and views a lot - I just don't offer my own take. It's too easy to be misunderstood or do something stupid.)

    So if my livelihood depended largely on a good public image - I don't think I'd do any better than he did. I'd try hard to walk a line that doesn't offend and keep my real opinions to myself.
  • stoolpigeon So if my livelihood depended largely on a good public image - I don't think I'd do any better than he did. I'd try hard to walk a line that doesn't offend and keep my real opinions to myself.

    I certainly don't want to single out McIlroy.  Christine Brennan asked the same question to Mickelson and he punted to, making the rather implausible claim that he wasn't familiar with the Georgia voting law.  The problem for the two of them is that her question basically left no wiggle room.  Why would a new and more restrictive voting law be needed in a state where there was no evidence of fraud in the last election and why would such legislation seem to be targeting minority voters?

    McIlroy obviously knows the answer and that's why he said everyone is supposed to have the right to vote.  He's married to an American, he lives here much of the year and his kids will be American citizens.  So it's not quite the same as you working overseas and not wanting to offend the locals.

    I understand these people have corporate relationships and part of that involves not putting those companies in a tough spot.  But don't go halfway to acknowledging what we all know to be true and then fall back on the flag waving because you want to have it both ways.
  • Botkin of the Yard: Soooo close Rory.  You were on the road to a coherent message and then caved to the pressure.  The equivalent of laying up on the 13th hole on Sunday when you're two shots behind.


    What part of his statement in particular do you take umbrage with?
  • lol totally.  1%'ers who frequent that country club are allllll about helping the poors.

    Just farking admit you couldn't care less about Jim Crowe.  It'll come as a surprise to no one.
  • GoldSpider

    Again, it's not the fault of McIlroy or Mickelson that the Georgia legislature decided to create this completely avoidable mess and it's fair to acknowledge that Augusta is not in the same position as MLB on this.  They can't just pull up stakes and move their event to another location.

    But they were asked a direct question and sometimes, fair or not, there just isn't a way to avoid seeing what is right in front of one's nose.  So he managed to do that in the first half of his answer.  Obviously, voting rights can't be screwed with if we're going to have a functioning system.  The disappointing thing is that he could have either left it there or expanded on that thought.  Instead he went with this meek back tracking routine and included some odd sounding jingoism.

    It's not that he did anything offensive, the republicans in Georgia did that.  It's that he got halfway to a thoughtful answer and wimped out.
  • According to Federal Election Commission records, Ridley made donations on Dec. 1 of $2,800 to Perdue for Senate and $2,800 to the Senate Georgia Battleground Fund.

    I am shocked....SHOCKED.
  • Botkin of the Yard: stoolpigeon So if my livelihood depended largely on a good public image - I don't think I'd do any better than he did. I'd try hard to walk a line that doesn't offend and keep my real opinions to myself.

    I certainly don't want to single out McIlroy.  Christine Brennan asked the same question to Mickelson and he punted to, making the rather implausible claim that he wasn't familiar with the Georgia voting law.  The problem for the two of them is that her question basically left no wiggle room.  Why would a new and more restrictive voting law be needed in a state where there was no evidence of fraud in the last election and why would such legislation seem to be targeting minority voters?

    McIlroy obviously knows the answer and that's why he said everyone is supposed to have the right to vote.  He's married to an American, he lives here much of the year and his kids will be American citizens.  So it's not quite the same as you working overseas and not wanting to offend the locals.

    I understand these people have corporate relationships and part of that involves not putting those companies in a tough spot.  But don't go halfway to acknowledging what we all know to be true and then fall back on the flag waving because you want to have it both ways.


    A whole lot of people aren't familiar with the Georgia state voting law, like the President of the United States who has been fact checked as making a false statement multiple times about the voting law.  It's nearly 100 pages of government writing, I doubt 99% of the people who are making statements about the law actually read it.
  • I haven't read the 100 or so pages but I know that it's target is to take away the black vote.
  • American-Irish eyes   A whole lot of people aren't familiar with the Georgia state voting law, like the President of the United States who has been fact checked as making a false statement multiple times about the voting law.

    He has been fact checked on some statements.  So has Brian Kemp.  Why did you forget to mention that?

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/02/politi​c​s/fact-check-biden-kemp-georgia-electi​on-law-water-drop-boxes-hours/index.ht​ml

    It's nearly 100 pages of government writing, I doubt 99% of the people who are making statements about the law actually read it.

    Yes, government writing.  It's probably all in Latin.  Actually it's been dissected pretty thoroughly and there's no getting around the fact that it's a power grab by Georgia republicans.  Why overhaul election processes when there was no problem to begin with?  Other than republicans losing of course.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/us​/​politics/georgia-voting-law-annotated.​html
  • Botkin of the Yard: stoolpigeon So if my livelihood depended largely on a good public image - I don't think I'd do any better than he did. I'd try hard to walk a line that doesn't offend and keep my real opinions to myself.

    I certainly don't want to single out McIlroy.  Christine Brennan asked the same question to Mickelson and he punted to, making the rather implausible claim that he wasn't familiar with the Georgia voting law.  The problem for the two of them is that her question basically left no wiggle room.  Why would a new and more restrictive voting law be needed in a state where there was no evidence of fraud in the last election and why would such legislation seem to be targeting minority voters?

    McIlroy obviously knows the answer and that's why he said everyone is supposed to have the right to vote.  He's married to an American, he lives here much of the year and his kids will be American citizens.  So it's not quite the same as you working overseas and not wanting to offend the locals.

    I understand these people have corporate relationships and part of that involves not putting those companies in a tough spot.  But don't go halfway to acknowledging what we all know to be true and then fall back on the flag waving because you want to have it both ways.


    McElroy hails from Northern Ireland, which has voter ID laws in place.  He likely knows that the furor is nonsense, but he still has to come up with a vague answer to avoid PR trouble.
  • State_College_Arsonist McElroy hails from Northern Ireland, which has voter ID laws in place.  He likely knows that the furor is nonsense, but he still has to come up with a vague answer to avoid PR trouble.

    Perhaps there was some perception there that reform was needed.  Given the history of that place I can see there being all sorts of problems.

    Nothing of the sort exists here.  There is no evidence of rampant or even frequent voter fraud here.  And that includes Georgia.  The law in question is designed to discourage minority turnout and as a way for the republican legislature to take the power of election oversight out of the hands of the Sec, of State.  And why?  Because their state turned blue and they can't win without stacking the deck.
  • Boycotts are a waste of time. In case you haven't noticed, all that ever happens after the GOP gets called out on their latest heinous act is they double down. Then triple down. And so on.
  • NFL boycott? Did not work. Boycott of all products in the past ten years? Did not work. Boycott MLB? Won't work. This? Won't work either.
  • Atomic Jonb: Maybe they should rename the tournament "The Massas'"


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    The only other thing I could offer. Georgia was named after a King, and Augusta is named after the Emperor who disbanded the Senate.
  • Remember, this is the same institution that released its TV sponsors and split the broadcast costs with CBS for two years rather than admit a female member.
  • So the sport that holds an event called "The Masters" on a former plantation that excluded black competitors (to say nothing of black members) until 1975 is not interested in boycotting Georgia over a racist voter suppression law. Shocking.
  • kdawg7736: NFL boycott? Did not work. Boycott of all products in the past ten years? Did not work. Boycott MLB? Won't work. This? Won't work either.


    Nobody really even follows through anyway.  They might yell and scream about boycotting on social media as another form of virtue signalling, but they don't ever do it.  Or it's not something they would ever buy anyway.

    Like every thread in the Food tab about Chik-Fil-A, you get your "woke" crowd saying stuff like "i'm never going to give a dime to those Jesus Chicken Bigots!".  Yeah, sure.  You don't even have one in your town. But the drive-through line around the store tells me they're not really missing your 5 bucks anyway.
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