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ZAZ: Why not take the letter off entirely? What purpose does it serve?
For trans people, having an ID that confirms they are who they say they are helps in tons of daily interactions like getting carded for beer or cashing a check. Not to mention pushing back on the "you're in the wrong bathroom" and traffic stops with shiatty cops.
Just as importantly, it is the government's recognition of their true selves. That's a mammoth mental health bonus.
"Lets get rid of gender on IDs", to me, feels like "let's get rid of state sponsored marriages" as a reaction to same-sex marriage being legalized. Throwing out an entire system because it now benefits "those people".
My 2 cents, YMMV
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Eclectic: Not to mention pushing back on the "you're in the wrong bathroom"
yeah the X gender isn't gonna help with that
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moothemagiccow: Eclectic: Not to mention pushing back on the "you're in the wrong bathroom"
yeah the X gender isn't gonna help with that
Imagine, if you will, that I brought that up in reply to someone asking me "why have gender on ID at all?"
Personally, the "F" on my license has helped me when security has tried to frog march me out of a changing room because "omg there's a man in there!" and when I was denied bathroom use
The rest of the points I posted still apply to non-binary people.
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Eclectic: ZAZ: Why not take the letter off entirely? What purpose does it serve?
For trans people, having an ID that confirms they are who they say they are helps in tons of daily interactions like getting carded for beer or cashing a check. Not to mention pushing back on the "you're in the wrong bathroom" and traffic stops with shiatty cops.
Just as importantly, it is the government's recognition of their true selves. That's a mammoth mental health bonus.
"Lets get rid of gender on IDs", to me, feels like "let's get rid of state sponsored marriages" as a reaction to same-sex marriage being legalized. Throwing out an entire system because it now benefits "those people".
My 2 cents, YMMV
My first instinct was also to question the need for gender on an id card. I'm not sure I agree with you position but now I'm not sure I agree with my first instinct either. I think it's going to take me a while to figure it out.
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Eclectic: ZAZ: Why not take the letter off entirely? What purpose does it serve?
For trans people, having an ID that confirms they are who they say they are helps in tons of daily interactions like getting carded for beer or cashing a check. Not to mention pushing back on the "you're in the wrong bathroom" and traffic stops with shiatty cops.
Just as importantly, it is the government's recognition of their true selves. That's a mammoth mental health bonus.
"Lets get rid of gender on IDs", to me, feels like "let's get rid of state sponsored marriages" as a reaction to same-sex marriage being legalized. Throwing out an entire system because it now benefits "those people".
My 2 cents, YMMV
I think he was more talking about the superfluous nature of marking gender on licenses, so while the comparison was valid I don't believe that was how they intended it to be taken.
This is a UK license, for example:
Gender isn't on there. Just name, date of birth, date of issue/expiration, and address.
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Eclectic: The rest of the points I posted still apply to non-binary people.
so do they just pee in the street
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Somaticasual: That awkward moment when New Jersey is the progressive option...
So...you don't know much about NJ, do you?
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Murkanen: Eclectic: ZAZ: Why not take the letter off entirely? What purpose does it serve?
For trans people, having an ID that confirms they are who they say they are helps in tons of daily interactions like getting carded for beer or cashing a check. Not to mention pushing back on the "you're in the wrong bathroom" and traffic stops with shiatty cops.
Just as importantly, it is the government's recognition of their true selves. That's a mammoth mental health bonus.
"Lets get rid of gender on IDs", to me, feels like "let's get rid of state sponsored marriages" as a reaction to same-sex marriage being legalized. Throwing out an entire system because it now benefits "those people".
My 2 cents, YMMV
I think he was more talking about the superfluous nature of marking gender on licenses, so while the comparison was valid I don't believe that was how they intended it to be taken.
This is a UK license, for example:
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Gender isn't on there. Just name, date of birth, date of issue/expiration, and address.
Anything that helps trans people must be questioned as necessary at all. I know.
Never mind the 117 anti-trans laws proposed in 30 states this year. Here's one tiny win for non-binary people so "why do we even need gender on there".
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moothemagiccow: Eclectic: Not to mention pushing back on the "you're in the wrong bathroom"
yeah the X gender isn't gonna help with that
Maybe it's time we get rid of gender-specific bathrooms then. What bathrooms are non-binary or gender non-conforming people supposed to use?
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moothemagiccow: Eclectic: The rest of the points I posted still apply to non-binary people.
so do they just pee in the street
If Republicans had their way, yes, and then be arrested for public indecency.
Or, you know, the real answer which is: gender neutral restrooms and/or single occupancy, whatever makes them the moat comfortable.
Or just f*cking quit worrying about where everyone pees. It's not that f*cking hard.
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Eclectic: Any move even slightly *forward* for trans/non-binary people is a huge win right now, considering how half of the country seems to have determined that "backwards at light speed" is the thing to do.
They yearn to go back to that 1950s utopia that never existed.
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My first instinct was also to question the need for gender on an id card. I'm not sure I agree with you position but now I'm not sure I agree with my first instinct either. I think it's going to take me a while to figure it out.
They're both valid arguments. Gender shouldn't be on ID cards because it's superfluous information. Unfortunately, with how the US is treating transgender individuals, removing it isn't an option because it ensures that transgender individuals have official documentation to obstruct bigots.
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moothemagiccow: Eclectic: The rest of the points I posted still apply to non-binary people.
so do they just pee in the street
I assume that any state with a non-binary designation on IDs wouldn't have shiatty anti-trans bathroom laws on the books, but maybe I'm just being naive.
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NeverDrunk23: Eclectic: Any move even slightly *forward* for trans/non-binary people is a huge win right now, considering how half of the country seems to have determined that "backwards at light speed" is the thing to do.
They yearn to go back to that 1950s utopia that never existed.
Their aggressions toward the queer community are essentially genocide. They don't even want us just to be second-class citizens--they want to remove us from society completely, using conversion "therapy" or denying us surgeries and medications, tearing us away from supportive families, and giving us no way to access healthcare, housing, employment, or state benefits or welfare. They want us to die.
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Anything that helps trans people must be questioned as necessary at all. I know.
Jesus, lady, retract your claws. All I said was that they weren't coming from the place you were suggesting they were and used my country's driver's license as an example of what they look like in Europe.
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Murkanen: Eclectic:
Anything that helps trans people must be questioned as necessary at all. I know.
Jesus, lady, retract your claws. All I said was that they weren't coming from the place you were suggesting they were and used my country's driver's license as an example of what they look like in Europe.
You understand, I am sure, how precarious trans rights are here in the US as well as the UK right now. So if trans people come across as hair-trigger angry, emotionally exhausted, etc. there might be a good reason for that.
Sorry I snapped at you, but also dog ass-tired of everything going on.
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Eclectic: ZAZ: Why not take the letter off entirely? What purpose does it serve?
For trans people, having an ID that confirms they are who they say they are helps in tons of daily interactions like getting carded for beer or cashing a check. Not to mention pushing back on the "you're in the wrong bathroom" and traffic stops with shiatty cops.
Just as importantly, it is the government's recognition of their true selves. That's a mammoth mental health bonus.
"Lets get rid of gender on IDs", to me, feels like "let's get rid of state sponsored marriages" as a reaction to same-sex marriage being legalized. Throwing out an entire system because it now benefits "those people".
My 2 cents, YMMV
I see merit to both points. This is going to be on a state by state basis because that's how we do ID. Option B obviously sounds better, but in many states option A seems like it would be the more achievable goal. Let's just admit that some states aren't going to pass any law that actually affirms a trans person's identity, any time in the next few years. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the
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