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MyStageName: IANAL, but if she was at her house (or foster house), and if the other girls were there to attack her or cause trouble, shouldn't Ohio's Stand Your Ground laws have been on her side?
Haha. Stand Your Ground laws are for whites.
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ameeriklane: Cop was wearing a bodycam, and that was almost record time for it to be released to the public -- about 6 hours. At least that's an improvement over the past.
My guess is his defense will be she was armed with a deadly weapon (knife) and was about to stab another person, so that person's life was in imminent danger.
And yet, the cops are not obligated to intervene to save someone's life, as courts have repeatedly held.
What a hero.
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koinbahd: OgreMagi: puffy999: koinbahd: BigGrnEggGriller: Do we know the race of the cop who shot her? If the cop is black does that change anything?
He's white
https://twitter.com/garychambersjr/status/1384665625298186243?s=21
And no it wouldn't change anything. If the person shot was white and the cop was black...it wouldn't change anything. Cops should stop shooting people period.
White people would be a lot more helpful if they were as mad at cops shooting white people as they are at black people for getting shot by cops
He reminds me of that cop who shot the guy laying down
"If you just comply nothing will happen to you."
Every time some asshole says that, I think of this.
It's hard to comply when you're givien contradictory commands.
Like the Army guy who got pepper sprayed in Virginia.
"Hands out the window...open your door/get out of the car"
How's he supposed to keep his hands out in the open and unbuckle his seatbelt and get out of the car. Almost like they give you commands that put you in harms way and give themselves cover to say "he was reaching for something / I feared for my life"
Last year I watched bodycam video of a cop holding a rifle on a suspect in a hotel hallway. The unarmed suspect was on his knees with his hands up. Instead of waiting for back-up to arrive and cuff the guy, the cop started barking at him to follow his instructions immediately and perfectly. "If you do anything other than what I say, I will kill you." Cop proceeded to turn the event into rapid-fire Simon Says -- "hands in the air" "lay flat on the ground" "put your hands behind your back" "get on your knees" "put your hands in the air" "turn to the left" "get flat on the ground." After about 30 seconds of this, the perp got behind in following instructions and the cop killed him. If history plays out, that cop is now a shift supervisor in Bradenton or some other town that loves psychopaths who have badges. I have turned mostly against capital punishment, but I wouldn't mind that penalty for that cop.
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Be polite walk on the right: tonguedepressor: Wow, is this war? Cuz it kinda feels like war.
its because parents don't beat their kids any more
/kid doesnt get what they want
//they throw tantrums
So they are already half way to being police.
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casey17: rosekolodny: casey17: OgreMagi: casey17: austerity101: casey17: Gawd.....she was so cute.
https://twitter.com/Jaybefaunt/status/1384697926694354944
She could have been literally the ugliest person on Earth and she still didn't deserve to die. So maybe now isn't the time to make remarks about a teenager's looks.
/or ever, really
SansNeural: casey17: Gawd.....she was so cute.
https://twitter.com/Jaybefaunt/status/1384697926694354944
I love her hair. Lovely kid.
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She looks just like a friend of mine at that age. That she won't be able to grow up now sickens me.
My step sister had the same kind of hair when she was that age. Yes, we are multi-racial family.
My bf has that kind of hair. I need to know what's in that first bottle she uses so he can get some.
Shea butter.
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Yes! That looks just like the bottle - thanks!
Fun fact: unadulterated shea butter is quite edible and a regular part of the diet of some cultures.
We now return you to the latest episode of America, already in progress.
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DeathByGeekSquad: LordJiro: DeathByGeekSquad: Video evidence shows that the stories circulating were not accurate.
That's not a comment on whether or not the cop should have fired his weapon. It's a reminder that just because you read it, doesn't mean it's true. She swung a knife at two people, while the prior narrative was she was unarmed.
It still shows that lethal force was far, FAR from necessary. If the pig was properly trained, he could have easily disarmed her, and he would have been a goddamn hero. But nope, because our police departments hire C-student meatheads with power fantasies and give them the bare minimum amount of 'training' before giving 'em guns and letting them loose, another child is dead.
Oh, and this comes only a couple of days after 1000+ college dickheads rioted for shiats and giggles, flipping 7 cars among other damage, and the Columbus PD just outright refused to even show up until the riot was almost over. It is one of the starkest examples yet of where the cops' priorities are.
I'll repeat:
That's not a comment on whether or not the cop should have fired his weapon.
I guess I could just go through this thread quoting all of the people who openly declared false information as fact because they couldn't be bothered to wait before spreading an emotional narrative.
It doesn't look pretty but the cop was protecting the other girl from being stabbed with a knife. He didn't have time to pull his taser. If the cop delays and the other girl was killed, the calls would be that CPD doesn't care enough to do their job. This 16 year old honors student was trying to murder another girl, and the cop had to act to stop it.
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Not one drop, eh, subby? Very subtle.
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Troy McClure: And was she for sure going to stab the other girl? These four girls were fighting as the cop arrived on the scene, and it's not like anyone has been stabbed at that point even though it looks like there had already been plenty of opportunities for her to stab another girl.
You're trying to split hairs on Duane Johnson's bald head. The girl was on video with a knife in her hand, lunging at another girl.
Dangerous situation, yes. Worth four or five bullets to the torso? I don't think so, but it may get the cop out of charges.
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iron de havilland: DeathByGeekSquad: Each of those thousands of folks who engaged with his social media post spread false information that she was unarmed at the time of the shooting, directly contradicting video evidence. That's not helpful. It provides more ammo to people who would seek to undermine actual change.
So, do you feel she deserved to die?
That's a subjective question to an objective response. Focus on facts. Do you deny that:
She was armed.
She was attacking multiple individuals.
The situation as described by multiple people in this thread prior to the press conference does not match the video evidence.
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shroom: That's assuming a lot of facts not in evidence. Let's back up and review the fact that holding a knife is not usually a crime.
But was it being brandished? Or maybe even burnished?
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MyStageName: IANAL, but if she was at her house (or foster house), and if the other girls were there to attack her or cause trouble, shouldn't Ohio's Stand Your Ground laws have been on her side?
Since girl in pink had retreated and wasn't actively attacking her, my guess would be no.
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casey17: austerity101: casey17: austerity101: casey17: Gawd.....she was so cute.
https://twitter.com/Jaybefaunt/status/1384697926694354944
She could have been literally the ugliest person on Earth and she still didn't deserve to die. So maybe now isn't the time to make remarks about a teenager's looks.
/or ever, really
SansNeural: casey17: Gawd.....she was so cute.
https://twitter.com/Jaybefaunt/status/1384697926694354944
I love her hair. Lovely kid.
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She looks just like a friend of mine at that age. That she won't be able to grow up now sickens me.
I get it. Sorry if I seemed a bit coarse.
Our society just tends not to care about ugly people. We hate them, we deny them, and we treat them like garbage. We have all but decided that ugly people have no value. Hell, if you're not hot enough, then you can't get enough money for your GoFundMe for your medical bills. It's really f*cked up.
I was just really uncomfortable with talks about her attractiveness because 1) she was underage; 2) she is now dead; 3) all of the stuff I just said above about how we sympathize with good-looking people. I just don't want this to be about how cute she was because it is ultimately completely irrelevant.
That said, I understand why her images moved you. I'm sorry they made you feel this way.
Thanks.
And I agree with everything you said about people judging others on their looks.People who get the short end of the stick looks-wise usually get the short end of the stick in most other areas of life - it truly sucks.
As a short and hideous potato man, I can confirm looks aren't everything, but they're a lot of things.
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SansNeural: Troy McClure: And was she for sure going to stab the other girl? These four girls were fighting as the cop arrived on the scene, and it's not like anyone has been stabbed at that point even though it looks like there had already been plenty of opportunities for her to stab another girl.
You're trying to split hairs on Duane Johnson's bald head. The girl was on video with a knife in her hand, lunging at another girl.
Dangerous situation, yes. Worth four or five bullets to the torso? I don't think so, but it may get the cop out of charges.
So if we agree the cop was wrong to shoot her, what hairs are we splitting?
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DeathByGeekSquad: iron de havilland: DeathByGeekSquad: Each of those thousands of folks who engaged with his social media post spread false information that she was unarmed at the time of the shooting, directly contradicting video evidence. That's not helpful. It provides more ammo to people who would seek to undermine actual change.
So, do you feel she deserved to die?
That's a subjective question to an objective response. Focus on facts. Do you deny that:
She was armed.
She was attacking multiple individuals.
The situation as described by multiple people in this thread prior to the press conference does not match the video evidence.
All the information I heard in the beginning was that she called the cops first, because girls were attacking her, or there was a girl fight. She had a knife on her, defending herself from the girls. Then she was shot in the chest several times. So far the video just proves she had a knife on her, and she was fighting with some girls. We do not know right now if she did call them, and who started the fight. Even if she was in the wrong, the cop had no farking right to shoot her several times. Even if she did have a night, and attacked first. These are teenage girls. The cops are have body armor on them, they will be fine. The one girl she attacked, a guy kept that girl down. I am still not even sure if she was going attack the girl in pink. It looked like she was falling onto that girl. The cop murdered her.
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adam6464: My question is, why do the cops always shoot center mass multiple times first? Can they not shoot a limb first to see if the "agressor" will stop and no further bullets are needed?
So in the military shooting to maim or injure is actually a war crime, if you attack you go for the kill. If they surrender you control and render aid, then protect as you remove them from the battle space.
For the police the idea is if you have the time and care to aim for limbs or injury then you obviously where not actually fearing for your life and therefore the shooting will be considered unjustified.
I can understand the military situation being in it, the cop situation always seems more of an before the fact justification for murder.
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Daedalus27: DeathByGeekSquad: LordJiro: DeathByGeekSquad: Video evidence shows that the stories circulating were not accurate.
That's not a comment on whether or not the cop should have fired his weapon. It's a reminder that just because you read it, doesn't mean it's true. She swung a knife at two people, while the prior narrative was she was unarmed.
It still shows that lethal force was far, FAR from necessary. If the pig was properly trained, he could have easily disarmed her, and he would have been a goddamn hero. But nope, because our police departments hire C-student meatheads with power fantasies and give them the bare minimum amount of 'training' before giving 'em guns and letting them loose, another child is dead.
Oh, and this comes only a couple of days after 1000+ college dickheads rioted for shiats and giggles, flipping 7 cars among other damage, and the Columbus PD just outright refused to even show up until the riot was almost over. It is one of the starkest examples yet of where the cops' priorities are.
I'll repeat:
That's not a comment on whether or not the cop should have fired his weapon.
I guess I could just go through this thread quoting all of the people who openly declared false information as fact because they couldn't be bothered to wait before spreading an emotional narrative.
It doesn't look pretty but the cop was protecting the other girl from being stabbed with a knife. He didn't have time to pull his taser. If the cop delays and the other girl was killed, the calls would be that CPD doesn't care enough to do their job. This 16 year old honors student was trying to murder another girl, and the cop had to act to stop it.
You have access to some video we don't? WTF are you talking about?
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meanmutton: bluejeansonfire: weddingsinger: IndyJohn: Chauvin's s convicted murderer and rightly so. But let's wait for some additional facts to come out before we convict anyone else. There's video so the truth will come out.
Are you f*cking serious?
Even IF this is a justified shooting (a real one, not just by police standards), the point is a system where the police shoot civilians all the time without real consequences for the police is an outrage.
The sickest thing about attitudes regarding police in the USA is that most Americans are bizarrely, worryingly comfortable with the notion that police can just kill people -- just summarily execute anyone -- for X reason. And they're okay with it.
If a person is shot by police, far too many people do a very quick scan of the victim of the shooting and make a heads or tails call right there. Were they committing a crime? Had they committed any crimes in the past? Were they not complying, or complying too slowly? Were they reaching in some arbitrary direction? Were they being disrespectful? Were they running? Did they have a gun (nevermind that the Second Amendment says we can, for now)? If any of these are true, for whatever twisted reason, a LOT of people come to the conclusion that that person deserved to die. And it's f*cked up.
I don't know what it's going to take to convince people that police shouldn't be shooting ANYONE, that everyone is entitled to a trial by our law, and that anyone shot before they can stand trial is a person robbed of their rights and denied justice.
There shouldn't even be a thing as a "justified police shooting." If police shoot anyone, get f*cking mad about it and help remake the system.
Police should have exactly the same right to self defense and non-police. No more, no less.
I disagree entirely. Police should be expected to not use lethal force ever.
They've proven they like to use lethal force for everything, so f*ck them, take that option away from them.
Disarm them. And if they kill anyone, anyhow, anywhere, immediately throw them in jail pending case review by an oversight agency of some kind.
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coyo: make it stop. please make this stop. make it stop. make it stop. make it stop. make it stop.
please please
I wish I could
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beakerxf: MyStageName: IANAL, but if she was at her house (or foster house), and if the other girls were there to attack her or cause trouble, shouldn't Ohio's Stand Your Ground laws have been on her side?
Since girl in pink had retreated and wasn't actively attacking her, my guess would be no.
She was still on the property, though, and posed a continued threat. Of course, being black negates any of her rights under stand your ground.
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The mayor is defending the cop. The cop is going to away with this.
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MyStageName: beakerxf: MyStageName: IANAL, but if she was at her house (or foster house), and if the other girls were there to attack her or cause trouble, shouldn't Ohio's Stand Your Ground laws have been on her side?
Since girl in pink had retreated and wasn't actively attacking her, my guess would be no.
She was still on the property, though, and posed a continued threat. Of course, being black negates any of her rights under stand your ground.
https://grahamlpa.com/2021/01/14/ohio-stand-your-ground-law/
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monsatano: I hope you choke on your own cock, and the crime scene photos turn into a meme on 4chan.
'Scuse me while I file this one under "epic insults to use someday."
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