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clams_casino: There's some dispute in this thread that one of the cops said "Blue Lives Matter." When I watched the video, it sounded like that statement was made sarcastically, and off-camera, by the man briefly seen berating the police. It sounded to me like the same voice.
I think a dumb cop said something dumb, reprehensible, and provocative. And that a guy on the left hand side of the shot told him it was insulting.
What I didn't see was "cops standing around shouting 'Blue Lives Matter'" -- which sounds more like an "Allah Achbar"/"Death To America!" protest. In other words, someone misreported this to trigger more controversy, more clicks, more controversy, more clicks.
The killing itself seemed to happen very quickly.
I'm surprised the officer took the shot in that circumstance -- there seemed a high likelihood of injuring someone other than the girl brandishing the knife. But it certainly looked like an urgent situation.
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rekabis: >In the video, the teen appears to attempt to stab two people with a knife before the officer fires his weapon.
If you, as a cop, come across someone actively stabbing someone else, you don't hesitate - you pretty well take immediate action to avoid having the person with the knife kill anyone else.
I understand you. I agree with your conclusion as well. The one thing I see you not being fair with is the beginning of your argument. There's a slight, but subtle change in your argument which has very profound differences and would change the reaction.
Appears to attempt to stab vs actively stabbing is two totally different perceptions and actions. The former is a subjective analysis and could be a situation where someone else could have a different view. The latter would have blood spillage and be unquestionable in any light.
One of the cases that changed my professional view on use of force was John Crawford III, which also happens to have occurred in Ohio. In his particular case, a 911 caller reported someone pointing a gun at people. The responding officer dropped Crawford as soon as he was encountered with no commands given and no time taken to assess the immediate situation.
My problem with that case was that the immediate area where someone is pointing a gun at people would be chaos. There would be people running, possibly screaming, and maybe hiding. When you look at the security video from Wal-Mart's system, people were casually shopping as though nothing is going on because it wasn't. Had the officer taken 2-3 extra seconds to pay attention to the surrounding environment, Crawford may very well be alive today.
As officers, we have a great responsibility to protect our community and all residents. That responsibility has to be treated with the utmost respect, and we have to be sure that our actions are the best actions that any other officer would take. We also have to treat people like we would want our family or loved ones treated. No matter how bad or evil we think someone is, they are still someone's family member or loved one.
This particular case will be deemed justified simply because the victim had a knife. People keep talking about her stabbing others, but I haven't co.e across any reports or videos showing paramedics treating anyone there for anything, including abrasions from hitting the concrete in the driveway. People all around are making assumptions about this without knowing the full story.
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asciibaron: kore: asciibaron: mrshowrules: asciibaron: Dusk-You-n-Me: DeathByGeekSquad: What will they do when a simple traffic stop becomes a gun battle with someone firing an AK-47?
That wasn't a simple traffic stop, it was the end of a high speed pursuit. The idea that cops get routinely ambushed at traffic stops has no basis in reality.
except this one where the officer is executed:
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Bolded/underlined the word you were having problems with. If police training focuses on these rare incidents, that is one of the reasons so many unarmed people are getting wrongfully shot.
fine.
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/2u6Y8MD3OfM]
you have the internet, these are easy to find.
It seems that approaching over-weight men in white Silverados is dangerous.
the man who executed the officer was Hispanic. he attempted to kill another officer and was stopped by at least 30 rounds.
stop blaming the skin color of people for the actions of an individual.
Where in my statement did I blame skin color?
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g.fro: durbnpoisn: ...
Second, he could have shot her ANYWHERE else that wasn't fatal.
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I'm going to repeat this however many times is necessary: shooting-to-wound is not a thing. Using deadly force without deadly intent is, at the very least, irresponsible.
If someone shouldn't kill someone, they shouldn't shoot at them.
Then we circle back around to my original point; that he should not have had a gun to begin with.
If there was no gun in that cop's hand, I submit that they would have found a different solution. Just like cops in other places that don't carry guns do.
Yeah, maybe someone would have gotten injured (the girl in the pink). But we don't really know that. And we certainly don't know it would have been a fatal attack.
We only know one thing for certain. The attacker got DEFINITELY killed.
And I do not agree that it was the only, or best course of action. So much so that I see it as further evidence that cops should not be armed to begin with.
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durbnpoisn: ...
Then we circle back around to my original point; that he should not have had a gun to begin with.
If there was no gun in that cop's hand, I submit that they would have found a different solution. Just like cops in other places that don't carry guns do.
Yeah, maybe someone would have gotten injured (the girl in the pink). But we don't really know that. And we certainly don't know it would have been a fatal attack.
We only know one thing for certain. The attacker got DEFINITELY killed.
And I do not agree that it was the only, or best course of action. So much so that I see it as further evidence that cops should not be armed to begin with.
And as I said earlier, the police have been making a very strong argument over the last few (many) years that they shouldn't be armed.
But as long as they are, use of a firearm must only ever be considered deadly force. Meaning they should only ever shoot when killing the target is justfiable.
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kore: asciibaron: kore: asciibaron: mrshowrules: asciibaron: Dusk-You-n-Me: DeathByGeekSquad: What will they do when a simple traffic stop becomes a gun battle with someone firing an AK-47?
That wasn't a simple traffic stop, it was the end of a high speed pursuit. The idea that cops get routinely ambushed at traffic stops has no basis in reality.
except this one where the officer is executed:
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Bolded/underlined the word you were having problems with. If police training focuses on these rare incidents, that is one of the reasons so many unarmed people are getting wrongfully shot.
fine.
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/2u6Y8MD3OfM]
you have the internet, these are easy to find.
It seems that approaching over-weight men in white Silverados is dangerous.
the man who executed the officer was Hispanic. he attempted to kill another officer and was stopped by at least 30 rounds.
stop blaming the skin color of people for the actions of an individual.
Where in my statement did I blame skin color?
you know what, i totally had a dyslexic moment and read it as over-weight white men in silverados.
i apologize.
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whidbey: clams_casino: the growing numbers of dogmatic "liberals" who can't help but emulate the Trumpers.
And this makes no sense.
Trumpers want the cops to shoot black people, for one thing.
Sure it does.
Ya'll want to round up people in Republican states. Quite literally put them in seclusion zones or camps. I've seen it here and I've seen the smart votes.
Generalizations "work". Oh generalizations work for US but not for THEM.
Anything resembling a case by case look at police shootings is met with "ACAB shut up bootlicker"
It's been fun during the Trump years as I thought we had some unity but some of you people sound like cultists.
Expand the NFA to cover handguns, leave rifles alone. More lives saved and both sides "win".
And for that you will be deemed an ammosexual. Fall in line with the "Ban all guns" and "Teach your children to NEVER call the police"
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White_Scarf_Syndrome: Ya'll want to round up people in Republican states. Quite literally put them in seclusion zones or camps. I've seen it here and I've seen the smart votes.
Oh boy.
*backs away slowly*
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MrSplifferton: Maybe I was thinking of a different fark user....
It wasn't you.
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whidbey: And there it is again. The defiant "funnying" of a post because you can't make your shiat stick in mixed company.
Get over yourself man. That wasn't me. Someone thought your comment was funny. Like how can you even infer how that funny was voted? Surely it was defiant, you just FEEL like it is.
Holy moly. Get a grip.
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White_Scarf_Syndrome: whidbey: And there it is again. The defiant "funnying" of a post because you can't make your shiat stick in mixed company.
Get over yourself man. That wasn't me. Someone thought your comment was funny. Like how can you even infer how that funny was voted? Surely it was defiant, you just FEEL like it is.
Holy moly. Get a grip.
Says the Farker who thinks "you people" are trying to put you into camps.
m'kay
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whidbey: And there it is again. The defiant "funnying" of a post because you can't make your shiat stick in mixed company.
I get the impression it's because you're not fit company.
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Brosephus: rekabis: >In the video, the teen appears to attempt to stab two people with a knife before the officer fires his weapon.
If you, as a cop, come across someone actively stabbing someone else, you don't hesitate - you pretty well take immediate action to avoid having the person with the knife kill anyone else.
I understand you. I agree with your conclusion as well. The one thing I see you not being fair with is the beginning of your argument. There's a slight, but subtle change in your argument which has very profound differences and would change the reaction.
Appears to attempt to stab vs actively stabbing is two totally different perceptions and actions. The former is a subjective analysis and could be a situation where someone else could have a different view. The latter would have blood spillage and be unquestionable in any light.
One of the cases that changed my professional view on use of force was John Crawford III, which also happens to have occurred in Ohio. In his particular case, a 911 caller reported someone pointing a gun at people. The responding officer dropped Crawford as soon as he was encountered with no commands given and no time taken to assess the immediate situation.
My problem with that case was that the immediate area where someone is pointing a gun at people would be chaos. There would be people running, possibly screaming, and maybe hiding. When you look at the security video from Wal-Mart's system, people were casually shopping as though nothing is going on because it wasn't. Had the officer taken 2-3 extra seconds to pay attention to the surrounding environment, Crawford may very well be alive today.
As officers, we have a great responsibility to protect our community and all residents. That responsibility has to be treated with the utmost respect, and we have to be sure that our actions are the best actions that any other officer would take. We also have to treat people like we would want our family or loved ones treated. No matter how bad or evil we think someone is, they are still someone's family member or loved one.
This particular case will be deemed justified simply because the victim had a knife. People keep talking about her stabbing others, but I haven't co.e across any reports or videos showing paramedics treating anyone there for anything, including abrasions from hitting the concrete in the driveway. People all around are making assumptions about this without knowing the full story.
Which is why I think if the cop had not had a firearm in his hands already he could have gone with the taser in this case.
I can certainly understand seeing the knife, and what we see in the video and immediately thinking, "this is a violent situation and I must gain control so I can figure what is going on."
That is fair and easily understood. However the girl with the knife is very unlikely to be someone that can actively or successfully resist a taser.
I have not heard any audio from this incident because of work today: did the officer announce his presence or any commands before firing?
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Kit Fister: mrshowrules: Of course the primary issue is the killing of people (frequently black). However, there is a flip side which is black people can't call police for help. They do - they risk getting killed.
Basically, if you are black you are paying taxes for a service you cannot benefit from and which may kill you.
Unless you're rich, being white is only offering a higher probability that you won't get farked up by the cops. so-called "white trash' ends up getting a boot up their ass pretty often too.
Basically, we're all paying for a service which is designed to protect 'the community' (read: rich white folks and their stuff), and the poorer you are, the less likely you'll have a positive encounter with the cops at all.
Blacks and other PoC have it the worst, though, undoubtedly.
Are Asians PoC? Because they have a considerably lower probability of being killed by police than white people. For some reason.
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SansNeural: whidbey: And there it is again. The defiant "funnying" of a post because you can't make your shiat stick in mixed company.
I get the impression it's because you're not fit company.
I haven't said a word all day and I'm funnying him. Because he's an idiot!
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durbnpoisn: g.fro: durbnpoisn: ...
Second, he could have shot her ANYWHERE else that wasn't fatal.
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I'm going to repeat this however many times is necessary: shooting-to-wound is not a thing. Using deadly force without deadly intent is, at the very least, irresponsible.
If someone shouldn't kill someone, they shouldn't shoot at them.
Then we circle back around to my original point; that he should not have had a gun to begin with.
If there was no gun in that cop's hand, I submit that they would have found a different solution. Just like cops in other places that don't carry guns do.
Yeah, maybe someone would have gotten injured (the girl in the pink). But we don't really know that. And we certainly don't know it would have been a fatal attack.
We only know one thing for certain. The attacker got DEFINITELY killed.
And I do not agree that it was the only, or best course of action. So much so that I see it as further evidence that cops should not be armed to begin with.
You need to fix the gun problem in the US before you're going to convince any law enforcement they shouldn't carry one themselves. You could probably get away with taking guns from most cops in most of Canada, except maybe Toronto. Certainly most of Europe and Australia have their shiat sorted out enough where that could work. You guys have random mass shootings every other day. Heck when I was looking up articles on Columbus for updates on this last night and saw there was a drive by shooting on Saturday with one killed and five injured while attending a memorial on the anniversary of another shooting death. The same article had a link to an analysis that shows in one Columbus neighborhood you had a 1 in 59 chance of being shot. As a person who doesn't own a gun and isn't a fan of them, it doesn't seem reasonable to me for US police officers not to be armed.
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Uranus: Oh FFS, America. Again?
Is that a nearly vertical ring of debris around you or are you just happy to see me?
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fortheloveof: Brosephus: rekabis: >In the video, the teen appears to attempt to stab two people with a knife before the officer fires his weapon.
If you, as a cop, come across someone actively stabbing someone else, you don't hesitate - you pretty well take immediate action to avoid having the person with the knife kill anyone else.
I understand you. I agree with your conclusion as well. The one thing I see you not being fair with is the beginning of your argument. There's a slight, but subtle change in your argument which has very profound differences and would change the reaction.
Appears to attempt to stab vs actively stabbing is two totally different perceptions and actions. The former is a subjective analysis and could be a situation where someone else could have a different view. The latter would have blood spillage and be unquestionable in any light.
One of the cases that changed my professional view on use of force was John Crawford III, which also happens to have occurred in Ohio. In his particular case, a 911 caller reported someone pointing a gun at people. The responding officer dropped Crawford as soon as he was encountered with no commands given and no time taken to assess the immediate situation.
My problem with that case was that the immediate area where someone is pointing a gun at people would be chaos. There would be people running, possibly screaming, and maybe hiding. When you look at the security video from Wal-Mart's system, people were casually shopping as though nothing is going on because it wasn't. Had the officer taken 2-3 extra seconds to pay attention to the surrounding environment, Crawford may very well be alive today.
As officers, we have a great responsibility to protect our community and all residents. That responsibility has to be treated with the utmost respect, and we have to be sure that our actions are the best actions that any other officer would take. We also have to treat people like we would want our family or loved ones treated. No matter how bad or evil we think someone is, they are still someone's family member or loved one.
This particular case will be deemed justified simply because the victim had a knife. People keep talking about her stabbing others, but I haven't co.e across any reports or videos showing paramedics treating anyone there for anything, including abrasions from hitting the concrete in the driveway. People all around are making assumptions about this without knowing the full story.
Which is why I think if the cop had not had a firearm in his hands already he could have gone with the taser in this case.
I can certainly understand seeing the knife, and what we see in the video and immediately thinking, "this is a violent situation and I must gain control so I can figure what is going on."
That is fair and easily understood. However the girl with the knife is very unlikely to be someone that can actively or successfully resist a taser.
I have not heard any audio from this incident because of work today: did the officer announce his presence or any commands before firing?
He says some commands. He doesn't have what we call "officer presence" IMHO. In all that chaos, he blended right in and didn't stand out as an authority figure. If you look at the video, even without sound, very few people acknowledge his presence or pay attention to him until the shots are fired.
The way you carry and present yourself goes a long way towards gaining control of a situation and the respect/attention of the people around you. I don't know this officer's level of training or confidence in his abilities, so it would be unfair for me to judge him based on my skills etc. That's the difficulty of use of force because different officers can see the exact same situation in totally different perspectives and correctly respond based off their perception.
I can only say that I would not have shot based on the limited info available. I don't see anyone with stab wounds, there's no blood, and none of the people are responding to the officer's presence like there's an immediate need to preserve life. It's a fight, and her having a knife could make it very bad. I just don't see an immediate need for deadly force. Physically grab the girl with the knife while her back is facing you, or tase her to gain control of the arm holding the knife. That's what I would have done.
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adam6464: Boojum2k: Peach_Fuz: adam6464: My question is, why do the cops always shoot center mass multiple times first? Can they not shoot a limb first to see if the "agressor" will stop and no further bullets are needed?
I was going to post something similar to this... kneecaps anyone?
Because permanently crippling people, frequently minorities, would be so much better?
They should, just like anyone else, shoot someone only in defense of themselves or others of a grave threat. And at that point you stop the threat, not play sillybuggers with trick shots that may miss and leave the threat active.
This girl was highly highly unlikely to be a threat to them or others.
Thats my point, she wasnt as much of a threat, so why go for the kill? The chest will likely result in death, crippling is not murder. They shouldn't shoot in the first place, but if necessary, go for a leg or something.
Shooting to wound only happens in Hollywood, not in real life.
However, assuming the option to shoot to wound exists, then shooting at all is not necessary.
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sat1va: durbnpoisn: g.fro: durbnpoisn: ...
Second, he could have shot her ANYWHERE else that wasn't fatal.
...
I'm going to repeat this however many times is necessary: shooting-to-wound is not a thing. Using deadly force without deadly intent is, at the very least, irresponsible.
If someone shouldn't kill someone, they shouldn't shoot at them.
Then we circle back around to my original point; that he should not have had a gun to begin with.
If there was no gun in that cop's hand, I submit that they would have found a different solution. Just like cops in other places that don't carry guns do.
Yeah, maybe someone would have gotten injured (the girl in the pink). But we don't really know that. And we certainly don't know it would have been a fatal attack.
We only know one thing for certain. The attacker got DEFINITELY killed.
And I do not agree that it was the only, or best course of action. So much so that I see it as further evidence that cops should not be armed to begin with.
You need to fix the gun problem in the US before you're going to convince any law enforcement they shouldn't carry one themselves. You could probably get away with taking guns from most cops in most of Canada, except maybe Toronto. Certainly most of Europe and Australia have their shiat sorted out enough where that could work. You guys have random mass shootings every other day. Heck when I was looking up articles on Columbus for updates on this last night and saw there was a drive by shooting on Saturday with one killed and five injured while attending a memorial on the anniversary of another shooting death. The same article had a link to an analysis that shows in one Columbus neighborhood you had a 1 in 59 chance of being shot. As a person who doesn't own a gun and isn't a fan of them, it doesn't seem reasonable to me for US police officers not to be armed.
With all I have to say about being irresponsible, badly trained, and prone to panicking, I can't deny that we have a gun problem too. I still think that is a bit of another matter.
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Brosephus: fortheloveof: Brosephus: rekabis: >In the video, the teen appears to attempt to stab two people with a knife before the officer fires his weapon.
If you, as a cop, come across someone actively stabbing someone else, you don't hesitate - you pretty well take immediate action to avoid having the person with the knife kill anyone else.
I understand you. I agree with your conclusion as well. The one thing I see you not being fair with is the beginning of your argument. There's a slight, but subtle change in your argument which has very profound differences and would change the reaction.
Appears to attempt to stab vs actively stabbing is two totally different perceptions and actions. The former is a subjective analysis and could be a situation where someone else could have a different view. The latter would have blood spillage and be unquestionable in any light.
One of the cases that changed my professional view on use of force was John Crawford III, which also happens to have occurred in Ohio. In his particular case, a 911 caller reported someone pointing a gun at people. The responding officer dropped Crawford as soon as he was encountered with no commands given and no time taken to assess the immediate situation.
My problem with that case was that the immediate area where someone is pointing a gun at people would be chaos. There would be people running, possibly screaming, and maybe hiding. When you look at the security video from Wal-Mart's system, people were casually shopping as though nothing is going on because it wasn't. Had the officer taken 2-3 extra seconds to pay attention to the surrounding environment, Crawford may very well be alive today.
As officers, we have a great responsibility to protect our community and all residents. That responsibility has to be treated with the utmost respect, and we have to be sure that our actions are the best actions that any other officer would take. We also have to treat people like we would want our family or loved ones treated. No matter how bad or evil we think someone is, they are still someone's family member or loved one.
This particular case will be deemed justified simply because the victim had a knife. People keep talking about her stabbing others, but I haven't co.e across any reports or videos showing paramedics treating anyone there for anything, including abrasions from hitting the concrete in the driveway. People all around are making assumptions about this without knowing the full story.
Which is why I think if the cop had not had a firearm in his hands already he could have gone with the taser in this case.
I can certainly understand seeing the knife, and what we see in the video and immediately thinking, "this is a violent situation and I must gain control so I can figure what is going on."
That is fair and easily understood. However the girl with the knife is very unlikely to be someone that can actively or successfully resist a taser.
I have not heard any audio from this incident because of work today: did the officer announce his presence or any commands before firing?
He says some commands. He doesn't have what we call "officer presence" IMHO. In all that chaos, he blended right in and didn't stand out as an authority figure. If you look at the video, even without sound, very few people acknowledge his presence or pay attention to him until the shots are fired.
The way you carry and present yourself goes a long way towards gaining control of a situation and the respect/attention of the people around you. I don't know this officer's level of training or confidence in his abilities, so it would be unfair for me to judge him based on my skills etc. That's the difficulty of use of force because different officers can see the exact same situation in totally different perspectives and correctly respond based off their perception.
I can only say that I would not have shot based on the limited info available. I don't see anyone with stab wounds, there's no blood, and none of the people are responding to the officer's presence like there's an immediate need to preserve life. It's a fight, and her having a knife could make it very bad. I just don't see an immediate need for deadly force. Physically grab the girl with the knife while her back is facing you, or tase her to gain control of the arm holding the knife. That's what I would have done.
Ah, yeah we call that developing your, "NCO voice" having some theater experience can go a long way in helping with that.
Surprisingly actual commissioned officers can have an issue with it too.
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OgreMagi: Shooting to wound only happens in Hollywood, not in real life.
Indeed. "Shooting to wound" only really works with elephants. With something human-sized it's more "which major artery are you looking to rupture".
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Brosephus: I can only say that I would not have shot based on the limited info available. I don't see anyone with stab wounds, there's no blood, and none of the people are responding to the officer's presence like there's an immediate need to preserve life. It's a fight, and her having a knife could make it very bad. I just don't see an immediate need for deadly force. Physically grab the girl with the knife while her back is facing you, or tase her to gain control of the arm holding the knife. That's what I would have done.
It's a horrible situation.
A girl being bullied fears for her safety. She calls the police. She manages to get space outside and fend off the bullies with a steak-knife. Police arrive, and the girl with the steak-knife is the one holding the weapon. The girl with the weapon lunges toward someone.
After shots are fired, several people turn up to film what is going on.
I drum my fingers on my keyboard for a couple of moments before typing this.
Communities have responsibilities to communities. This dead girl had nowhere to run to. God alone knows the level of fear that was running through the poor girl's head.
Plenty of people to turn up to protest. Yet no one to offer her sanctuary.
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PartTimeBuddha: Brosephus: I can only say that I would not have shot based on the limited info available. I don't see anyone with stab wounds, there's no blood, and none of the people are responding to the officer's presence like there's an immediate need to preserve life. It's a fight, and her having a knife could make it very bad. I just don't see an immediate need for deadly force. Physically grab the girl with the knife while her back is facing you, or tase her to gain control of the arm holding the knife. That's what I would have done.
It's a horrible situation.
A girl being bullied fears for her safety. She calls the police. She manages to get space outside and fend off the bullies with a steak-knife. Police arrive, and the girl with the steak-knife is the one holding the weapon. The girl with the weapon lunges toward someone.
After shots are fired, several people turn up to film what is going on.
I drum my fingers on my keyboard for a couple of moments before typing this.
Communities have responsibilities to communities. This dead girl had nowhere to run to. God alone knows the level of fear that was running through the poor girl's head.
Plenty of people to turn up to protest. Yet no one to offer her sanctuary.
The cops were there to offer her sanctuary. Instead, she got all stabby even after they were already there.
Plus, has anybody even confirmed that prior to the knife/gun confrontation that she was the victim? As far as I can tell, we only have her mother's word on that. Did the cops confirm this? Maybe I missed it.
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fortheloveof: Brosephus: fortheloveof: Brosephus: rekabis: >In the video, the teen appears to attempt to stab two people with a knife before the officer fires his weapon.
If you, as a cop, come across someone actively stabbing someone else, you don't hesitate - you pretty well take immediate action to avoid having the person with the knife kill anyone else.
I understand you. I agree with your conclusion as well. The one thing I see you not being fair with is the beginning of your argument. There's a slight, but subtle change in your argument which has very profound differences and would change the reaction.
Appears to attempt to stab vs actively stabbing is two totally different perceptions and actions. The former is a subjective analysis and could be a situation where someone else could have a different view. The latter would have blood spillage and be unquestionable in any light.
One of the cases that changed my professional view on use of force was John Crawford III, which also happens to have occurred in Ohio. In his particular case, a 911 caller reported someone pointing a gun at people. The responding officer dropped Crawford as soon as he was encountered with no commands given and no time taken to assess the immediate situation.
My problem with that case was that the immediate area where someone is pointing a gun at people would be chaos. There would be people running, possibly screaming, and maybe hiding. When you look at the security video from Wal-Mart's system, people were casually shopping as though nothing is going on because it wasn't. Had the officer taken 2-3 extra seconds to pay attention to the surrounding environment, Crawford may very well be alive today.
As officers, we have a great responsibility to protect our community and all residents. That responsibility has to be treated with the utmost respect, and we have to be sure that our actions are the best actions that any other officer would take. We also have to treat people like we would want our fa ...
Maybe he meant to grab his taser....
All of this is irrelevant because all cops are bastards. Even that one guy in the Capitol. The black one. You know the one.
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