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    "Filipinx" farking "Filipinx"?

    in the very same paragraph that reverts back to "Filipino" shrimp paste?

    and are we now not allowed to saw "pinoy/pinay" anymore either?

    i'm sorry, this is linguistic bullshiat.

    i FULLY UNDERSTAND that every single human of every single gender and/or lack of gender wants to be linguistically included in every single human culture.

    THAT is cool, and i support that, in an emotional sense, because i have some semblance of empathy for others who's lived experience differs from my own.

    HOWEVER some languages have gendered nouns. they just do! and even gendered mass nouns. and they usually default to male (Filipino, Latino, etc.) when describing all people. that is just how the language works!

    look, i am a female speaker of fluent american english and poor peruvian spanish. i understand deep in my heart that the word itself "mankind" in american english includes women. AND includes nonbinary and null humans too. SO i am NOT fighting to strip it from the modern version of the language.

    "humankind" is perhaps better, but often clumsy in actual prose and casual speech. so, i am both smart enough, and generous enough of spirit, to go along with "mankind" MEANING "HUmankind" in nearly ALL contexts of english use. i don't need to alter the word itself.

    and i am also a poet. i UNDERSTAND words can have very precise and delicately shaded layers of nuance and meaning.

    but "filipinx"? NO. it's ugly sounding and clumsy and even confusing in practice.

    denying that gender even exists, in gendered languages, is not helpful. that is NOT the way to make this a more equal world.


    -i am curious to taste these fermented crab concentrates. perhaps my asian market will have some-
  • If it's anything like anchovies or fish sauce, I'm down to clown. That stuff can really brighten a dish if you know how to use it.
  • luna1580: [Fark user image 639x223]

    "Filipinx" farking "Filipinx"?

    in the very same paragraph that reverts back to "Filipino" shrimp paste?

    and are we now not allowed to saw "pinoy/pinay" anymore either?

    i'm sorry, this is linguistic bullshiat.

    i FULLY UNDERSTAND that every single human of every single gender and/or lack of gender wants to be linguistically included in every single human culture.

    THAT is cool, and i support that, in an emotional sense, because i have some semblance of empathy for others who's lived experience differs from my own.

    HOWEVER some languages have gendered nouns. they just do! and even gendered mass nouns. and they usually default to male (Filipino, Latino, etc.) when describing all people. that is just how the language works!

    look, i am a female speaker of fluent american english and poor peruvian spanish. i understand deep in my heart that the word itself "mankind" in american english includes women. AND includes nonbinary and null humans too. SO i am NOT fighting to strip it from the modern version of the language.

    "humankind" is perhaps better, but often clumsy in actual prose and casual speech. so, i am both smart enough, and generous enough of spirit, to go along with "mankind" MEANING "HUmankind" in nearly ALL contexts of english use. i don't need to alter the word itself.

    and i am also a poet. i UNDERSTAND words can have very precise and delicately shaded layers of nuance and meaning.

    but "filipinx"? NO. it's ugly sounding and clumsy and even confusing in practice.

    denying that gender even exists, in gendered languages, is not helpful. that is NOT the way to make this a more equal world.


    -i am curious to taste these fermented crab concentrates. perhaps my asian market will have some-


    jesus christ calm down
  • Hell Poodle: If it's anything like anchovies or fish sauce, I'm down to clown. That stuff can really brighten a dish if you know how to use it.


    I'm a certified freak for prik nam pla.
  • Hell Poodle: jesus christ calm down


    no, i don't need to calm down.

    at first i thought "filipinx" was some weird brand name. it actually impeded my understanding of the article.

    THAT means the article writer is BAD at using words, not GOOD at gendered social equality. and the writer is being paid to be good with words.

    i basically think this is just a response to Bon Appetit getting majorly called out on being racist and sexist when dealing with their staff. so they have now "overcorrected" to an "ultra-woke-food-world-without-gender.​"

    and that is dumb.

    not even NPR say "filipinx" or "pin-x" (instead of pinoy) when discussing people from the philippines and/or their foods/general culture.

    NPR has semi-embraced "latinX".

    BUT even though maria hinojosa does often say it on air, she has NOT changed the name of her show, it remains "Latino USA". and most of her guests do not use the term.

    so that should tell you something about this social trend.....

    now about that crab paste.......
  • Belacan (shelf-stable shrimp paste--use in curry paste to make your homemade curries taste gooder) but with crab?

    *skims TFA*

    Yup. Belacan but with crab.
  • luna1580: Hell Poodle: jesus christ calm down

    no, i don't need to calm down.

    at first i thought "filipinx" was some weird brand name. it actually impeded my understanding of the article.

    THAT means the article writer is BAD at using words, not GOOD at gendered social equality. and the writer is being paid to be good with words.

    i basically think this is just a response to Bon Appetit getting majorly called out on being racist and sexist when dealing with their staff. so they have now "overcorrected" to an "ultra-woke-food-world-without-gender.​"

    and that is dumb.

    not even NPR say "filipinx" or "pin-x" (instead of pinoy) when discussing people from the philippines and/or their foods/general culture.

    NPR has semi-embraced "latinX".

    BUT even though maria hinojosa does often say it on air, she has NOT changed the name of her show, it remains "Latino USA". and most of her guests do not use the term.

    so that should tell you something about this social trend.....

    now about that crab paste.......


    The important thing is you've managed to make this about your incredibly fragile feelings about gender neutral terms.
  • Hell Poodle: luna1580: Hell Poodle: jesus christ calm down

    no, i don't need to calm down.

    at first i thought "filipinx" was some weird brand name. it actually impeded my understanding of the article.

    THAT means the article writer is BAD at using words, not GOOD at gendered social equality. and the writer is being paid to be good with words.

    i basically think this is just a response to Bon Appetit getting majorly called out on being racist and sexist when dealing with their staff. so they have now "overcorrected" to an "ultra-woke-food-world-without-gender.​"

    and that is dumb.

    not even NPR say "filipinx" or "pin-x" (instead of pinoy) when discussing people from the philippines and/or their foods/general culture.

    NPR has semi-embraced "latinX".

    BUT even though maria hinojosa does often say it on air, she has NOT changed the name of her show, it remains "Latino USA". and most of her guests do not use the term.

    so that should tell you something about this social trend.....

    now about that crab paste.......

    The important thing is you've managed to make this about your incredibly fragile feelings about gender neutral terms.


    nope. i simply have a strong opinion. and i clearly explained WHY i have this opinion.

    but it's really GREAT you did not offer any alternative opinions, merely criticized me directly and personally, twice.

    damn, you seem super smart!
  • luna1580: [Fark user image image 639x223]

    "Filipinx" farking "Filipinx"?

    in the very same paragraph that reverts back to "Filipino" shrimp paste?

    and are we now not allowed to saw "pinoy/pinay" anymore either?

    i'm sorry, this is linguistic bullshiat.

    i FULLY UNDERSTAND that every single human of every single gender and/or lack of gender wants to be linguistically included in every single human culture.

    THAT is cool, and i support that, in an emotional sense, because i have some semblance of empathy for others who's lived experience differs from my own.

    HOWEVER some languages have gendered nouns. they just do! and even gendered mass nouns. and they usually default to male (Filipino, Latino, etc.) when describing all people. that is just how the language works!

    look, i am a female speaker of fluent american english and poor peruvian spanish. i understand deep in my heart that the word itself "mankind" in american english includes women. AND includes nonbinary and null humans too. SO i am NOT fighting to strip it from the modern version of the language.

    "humankind" is perhaps better, but often clumsy in actual prose and casual speech. so, i am both smart enough, and generous enough of spirit, to go along with "mankind" MEANING "HUmankind" in nearly ALL contexts of english use. i don't need to alter the word itself.

    and i am also a poet. i UNDERSTAND words can have very precise and delicately shaded layers of nuance and meaning.

    but "filipinx"? NO. it's ugly sounding and clumsy and even confusing in practice.

    denying that gender even exists, in gendered languages, is not helpful. that is NOT the way to make this a more equal world.


    -i am curious to taste these fermented crab concentrates. perhaps my asian market will have some-


    I always say I'm from Queens.
  • Ragin' Asian: luna1580: [Fark user image image 639x223]

    "Filipinx" farking "Filipinx"?

    in the very same paragraph that reverts back to "Filipino" shrimp paste?

    and are we now not allowed to saw "pinoy/pinay" anymore either?

    i'm sorry, this is linguistic bullshiat.

    i FULLY UNDERSTAND that every single human of every single gender and/or lack of gender wants to be linguistically included in every single human culture.

    THAT is cool, and i support that, in an emotional sense, because i have some semblance of empathy for others who's lived experience differs from my own.

    HOWEVER some languages have gendered nouns. they just do! and even gendered mass nouns. and they usually default to male (Filipino, Latino, etc.) when describing all people. that is just how the language works!

    look, i am a female speaker of fluent american english and poor peruvian spanish. i understand deep in my heart that the word itself "mankind" in american english includes women. AND includes nonbinary and null humans too. SO i am NOT fighting to strip it from the modern version of the language.

    "humankind" is perhaps better, but often clumsy in actual prose and casual speech. so, i am both smart enough, and generous enough of spirit, to go along with "mankind" MEANING "HUmankind" in nearly ALL contexts of english use. i don't need to alter the word itself.

    and i am also a poet. i UNDERSTAND words can have very precise and delicately shaded layers of nuance and meaning.

    but "filipinx"? NO. it's ugly sounding and clumsy and even confusing in practice.

    denying that gender even exists, in gendered languages, is not helpful. that is NOT the way to make this a more equal world.


    -i am curious to taste these fermented crab concentrates. perhaps my asian market will have some-

    I always say I'm from Queens.


    you, you i like!
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  • luna1580: at first i thought "filipinx" was some weird brand name. it actually impeded my understanding of the article.


    I did the same thing; I read "Filipinx" as the brand and somehow passed over the actual brand name, Navarro's.
  • luna1580: [Fark user image 639x223]

    "Filipinx" farking "Filipinx"?

    in the very same paragraph that reverts back to "Filipino" shrimp paste?

    and are we now not allowed to saw "pinoy/pinay" anymore either?

    i'm sorry, this is linguistic bullshiat.

    i FULLY UNDERSTAND that every single human of every single gender and/or lack of gender wants to be linguistically included in every single human culture.

    THAT is cool, and i support that, in an emotional sense, because i have some semblance of empathy for others who's lived experience differs from my own.

    HOWEVER some languages have gendered nouns. they just do! and even gendered mass nouns. and they usually default to male (Filipino, Latino, etc.) when describing all people. that is just how the language works!

    look, i am a female speaker of fluent american english and poor peruvian spanish. i understand deep in my heart that the word itself "mankind" in american english includes women. AND includes nonbinary and null humans too. SO i am NOT fighting to strip it from the modern version of the language.

    "humankind" is perhaps better, but often clumsy in actual prose and casual speech. so, i am both smart enough, and generous enough of spirit, to go along with "mankind" MEANING "HUmankind" in nearly ALL contexts of english use. i don't need to alter the word itself.

    and i am also a poet. i UNDERSTAND words can have very precise and delicately shaded layers of nuance and meaning.

    but "filipinx"? NO. it's ugly sounding and clumsy and even confusing in practice.

    denying that gender even exists, in gendered languages, is not helpful. that is NOT the way to make this a more equal world.


    -i am curious to taste these fermented crab concentrates. perhaps my asian market will have some-


    Word to the wise: Tagalog doesn't even have gendered pronouns like you recognize them.  It's all in the adjectives and specific nouns.  That's why otherwise fluent English speakers will mangle she/he all day long.

    They just don't have that difference, it's just third person singular with no indication of what sits between the legs at all..
  • Also: bagoong is so salty your kidneys will drop right out of your abdomen in one massive stone.

    Be careful out there when you cook pinoy stylee.
  • Bonzo_1116: luna1580: [Fark user image 639x223]

    "Filipinx" farking "Filipinx"?

    in the very same paragraph that reverts back to "Filipino" shrimp paste?

    and are we now not allowed to saw "pinoy/pinay" anymore either?

    i'm sorry, this is linguistic bullshiat.

    i FULLY UNDERSTAND that every single human of every single gender and/or lack of gender wants to be linguistically included in every single human culture.

    THAT is cool, and i support that, in an emotional sense, because i have some semblance of empathy for others who's lived experience differs from my own.

    HOWEVER some languages have gendered nouns. they just do! and even gendered mass nouns. and they usually default to male (Filipino, Latino, etc.) when describing all people. that is just how the language works!

    look, i am a female speaker of fluent american english and poor peruvian spanish. i understand deep in my heart that the word itself "mankind" in american english includes women. AND includes nonbinary and null humans too. SO i am NOT fighting to strip it from the modern version of the language.

    "humankind" is perhaps better, but often clumsy in actual prose and casual speech. so, i am both smart enough, and generous enough of spirit, to go along with "mankind" MEANING "HUmankind" in nearly ALL contexts of english use. i don't need to alter the word itself.

    and i am also a poet. i UNDERSTAND words can have very precise and delicately shaded layers of nuance and meaning.

    but "filipinx"? NO. it's ugly sounding and clumsy and even confusing in practice.

    denying that gender even exists, in gendered languages, is not helpful. that is NOT the way to make this a more equal world.


    -i am curious to taste these fermented crab concentrates. perhaps my asian market will have some-

    Word to the wise: Tagalog doesn't even have gendered pronouns like you recognize them.  It's all in the adjectives and specific nouns.  That's why otherwise fluent English speakers will mangle she/he all day long.

    They just don't have t ...


    good to know.

    so, do YOU think the world should be using the term "filipinX" when english speakers refer to pinoy people, culture, or food?

    i seriously am curious.
  • luna1580: Bonzo_1116: luna1580: [Fark user image 639x223]

    "Filipinx" farking "Filipinx"?

    in the very same paragraph that reverts back to "Filipino" shrimp paste?

    and are we now not allowed to saw "pinoy/pinay" anymore either?

    i'm sorry, this is linguistic bullshiat.

    i FULLY UNDERSTAND that every single human of every single gender and/or lack of gender wants to be linguistically included in every single human culture.

    THAT is cool, and i support that, in an emotional sense, because i have some semblance of empathy for others who's lived experience differs from my own.

    HOWEVER some languages have gendered nouns. they just do! and even gendered mass nouns. and they usually default to male (Filipino, Latino, etc.) when describing all people. that is just how the language works!

    look, i am a female speaker of fluent american english and poor peruvian spanish. i understand deep in my heart that the word itself "mankind" in american english includes women. AND includes nonbinary and null humans too. SO i am NOT fighting to strip it from the modern version of the language.

    "humankind" is perhaps better, but often clumsy in actual prose and casual speech. so, i am both smart enough, and generous enough of spirit, to go along with "mankind" MEANING "HUmankind" in nearly ALL contexts of english use. i don't need to alter the word itself.

    and i am also a poet. i UNDERSTAND words can have very precise and delicately shaded layers of nuance and meaning.

    but "filipinx"? NO. it's ugly sounding and clumsy and even confusing in practice.

    denying that gender even exists, in gendered languages, is not helpful. that is NOT the way to make this a more equal world.


    -i am curious to taste these fermented crab concentrates. perhaps my asian market will have some-

    Word to the wise: Tagalog doesn't even have gendered pronouns like you recognize them.  It's all in the adjectives and specific nouns.  That's why otherwise fluent English speakers will mangle she/he all day long.

    They just don't have t ...

    good to know.

    so, do YOU think the world should be using the term "filipinX" when english speakers refer to pinoy people, culture, or food?

    i seriously am curious.


    I'd just use "pinoy" or "filipino", given that English doesn't generally have gendered adjectives, usually it's our nouns.

    I might use "Filipino" or "Filipina" the same way I'd say "Frenchman" or "English woman".

    But really, that's deep in the weeds in  thread about salted crab paste.
  • welp, that poodle-thing is now on ignore as 'moran' and will never be a hotdish-hellion.
  • Bonzo_1116: I'd just use "pinoy" or "filipino", given that English doesn't generally have gendered adjectives, usually it's our nouns.

    I might use "Filipino" or "Filipina" the same way I'd say "Frenchman" or "English woman".

    But really, that's deep in the weeds in  thread about salted crab paste.


    Bonzo_1116: Also: bagoong is so salty your kidneys will drop right out of your abdomen in one massive stone.

    Be careful out there when you cook pinoy stylee.


    this is of interest to me! I mean, the language part but also the food part.
  • This sounds delicious but as someone with a fish/shellfish allergy in the family I'm always a little disheartened when pasty-white people discover yet another seafood-based ingredient from Asia (or the Mediterranean or wherever) to obssess over. I know I'm going to have to declare the allergy every stinkin' place we go to eat in Japan, and carry a box of granola bars for when one place tells me "sorry, literally everything on the menu has some kind of seafood in it," but I feel that ordering a steak in a non-ethnicity-speciifc steakhouse in the American suburbs should be safe without having to ask :/

    Oh well, times change, cultures mingle, allergy declarations are a small price to pay for people exchanging food traditions instead of killing each other.

    IMO, and this is as a white person who cares and tries to pay attention but doesn't have a personal stake in the game, latinx/filipinx is for referring to people since that's where specifying gender can cause trouble. Arbitrarily gendered nouns can stay arbitrarily gendered for all I care.
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    rosekolodny: What is the name of my Jimmy Buffet/L7 mashup band?


    FOR THE WIN, and done in one!

    luna1580: nope. i simply have a strong opinion.


    but about a very many things, and I've noticed an up-tick in frequency. If you're just working things out on Fark, then by all means continue, as long as you're ok.

    /sorry to get 'serious business' on a website that was always about recycling memes
  • Damn. I just wanted to learn/talk about crab paste. Doesn't look like that's happening here.
  • mekkab:luna1580: nope. i simply have a strong opinion.

    but about a very many things, and I've noticed an up-tick in frequency. If you're just working things out on Fark, then by all means continue, as long as you're ok.

    /sorry to get 'serious business' on a website that was always about recycling memes


    It's a gender pronoun thing. They just never should have gotten hir started.
  • Anoria: This sounds delicious but as someone with a fish/shellfish allergy in the family I'm always a little disheartened when pasty-white people discover yet another seafood-based ingredient from Asia (or the Mediterranean or wherever) to obssess over. I know I'm going to have to declare the allergy every stinkin' place we go to eat in Japan, and carry a box of granola bars for when one place tells me "sorry, literally everything on the menu has some kind of seafood in it," but I feel that ordering a steak in a non-ethnicity-speciifc steakhouse in the American suburbs should be safe without having to ask :/

    Oh well, times change, cultures mingle, allergy declarations are a small price to pay for people exchanging food traditions instead of killing each other.

    IMO, and this is as a white person who cares and tries to pay attention but doesn't have a personal stake in the game, latinx/filipinx is for referring to people since that's where specifying gender can cause trouble. Arbitrarily gendered nouns can stay arbitrarily gendered for all I care.


    yeah, fish-sauce is one of my constant and consistent "secret" ingredients, but I have always been very careful and circumspect in sussing out my target audiences. thank-glob it's never been a problem with my usual target audience, but if it's anyone for whom I've previously never cooked I do try to find out beforehand.

    I try to stay out of the pronoun thing, other than going with whatever specifics each individual person wants. e.g. among my friends from PR there is wild polarization about the -X thing. some are for it, some are agin' it, and there are murderous glints in peoples' eyes should ever they cross paths. if one friend wants to be called a Boricua and another as LatinX, then ok fine with me, I don't understand why it is so hard to call people simply what they want to be called.

    or, stupid wypipo example: I have a very common standard ancient English first name.
    - I introduce myself as [fullname] (because I like to be called by my full first name)
    - cow-orker sez, "nice ta meetcha, how ya doin' [nickname1]! or do you go by [nickname2]?"
    - me: nah that's ok, [fullname] is just fine
    - cow-orker: "you got it, [nickname2]!!!"
    - cow-orker introduces me to other cow-orkers as [nickname1] and/or [nickname2]

    and this isn't just some random jackwagon at 1 workplace, just, y'know, jackwagonning about. which on a small scale is almost cute. but no, this has happened to me at literally every workplace, in every country, for the last 30 years.

    you know who I truly respect and will love eternally? the few mindful people over the years who've said, "oh, do you prefer [fullname] or [nickname1]?" those people? they get to call me [nickname1]

    again, how farking hard is it to call people how they want to be called.

    /adjusts belt-onyons
    //wanders off in search of a cloud to yell at
    ///my lawn, gerroff it...
  • tintar: I try to stay out of the pronoun thing, other than going with whatever specifics each individual person wants. e.g. among my friends from PR there is wild polarization about the -X thing. some are for it, some are agin' it, and there are murderous glints in peoples' eyes should ever they cross paths. if one friend wants to be called a Boricua and another as LatinX, then ok fine with me, I don't understand why it is so hard to call people simply what they want to be called.


    oh, i'm with you when it comes to real individual people. if i meet a person from manilla, who says "hey, i go by Blake, i use they/them singular pronouns, and i strongly prefer FilipinX if you need to tell someone my ethnicity."

    well, THEN i'm 100% going to follow all of that (barring an accidental slip-up to "she" or "pinay" if i honestly forget, then apologize).

    but doing like TFA and writing "FilipinX cuisine" is dumb. crab paste has no gender to respect! lechon kawali is not going to pout and get offended if i label it pinoy!

    respecting the gender preferences of real living individuals i agree with! pretending my lumpia NEEDS solely gender-neutral labeling is going way too far.
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